A question about rider etiquette at the lights.

[Ms Piggy]

Recently the mighty Betty and I were waiting at the lights, we were at the front of the queue (Btw - Betty is my CB250RS and the ripe old age of 25yrs).

Anyhoo another rider on a 250 lane split and stopped beside me at the lights (no probs, plenty of room). When the lights turned green the other rider basically burned off to get in front of me. It wasn't a biggie but it did get me wondering about rider etiquette in those situations.

Look I know Betty isn't the most powerful bike out there and I wouldn't have had an issue with it if the other rider had been a bigger bike cos they'd be off and away before Betty and I could even change outta neutral....but cos the other rider appeared to be on a bike of a similar power he was really pushing it to get out in front.

What are others thoughts on this?

[Laxi]

could just be the way the other rider rides, been known to hammer it of the line myself:Oops: wouldnt get too worried about it

[Big Dave]

>>What are others thoughts on this? <<

Winners are grinners.

[James Deuce]

I've been hit in the leg twice by retarded selfish little monkeys. I chased a ZXR400 rider down one morning who clipped me trying to get past. I was stationary, he was moving. The red light obviously didn't mean much. Anyway, when he freaked out and crashed because he looked in his mirror and realised I was right with him, he had no Engrish. Or license. Something else must have been going on because the cops took him away.

Another time a CBR250RR rider pulled up alongside me, hit my knee hard enough to make me consider crying as an option, caroomed off into the SUV next door and then weaved through the traffic crossing in front of him to get away from us. Red light again.

I think it's rude. Dangerous. Ignorant even. Especially when you wonder where they went when the lights go green, and they then pull some astounding, physics defying moves to get back in front of you.

Seems to be a small bike thing though. Don't get guys on R1s or Beemer 1200s pulling that crap.

[FJRider]

You were both splitting lanes... expecting more is splitting hairs...

If you were in a hurry, you would've been away first...

[Mom]

Straight line take off, let them go. No problem, they take off at the speed they do, you take off at yours. Easy, until it is a turning intersection, I would hope that any rider that is 2 abreast stopped at a light controlled intersection would consider the other at take off, and mind the line they take around the corner.

[YellowDog]

Well I think that if the other rider had cut across you or just revved excessively, then that would have been quite rude and poor etiquette. Otherwise, I wouldn't take it persoanally.

[James Deuce]

I would hope that any rider that is 2 abreast stopped at a light controlled intersection would consider the other at take off, and mind the line they take around the corner.

What's to point of riding a bike if you have to be considerate? Hmmmm? It's our JOB to annoy other people. Then be smug about it.

[Hiflyer]

whats wrong with accelerating hard away from lights? maybe he was in a hury?

[James Deuce]

whats wrong with accelerating hard away from lights? maybe he was in a hury?

That's not the issue.

[Mom]

What's to point of riding a bike if you have to be considerate? Hmmmm? It's our JOB to annoy other people. Then be smug about it.

What a mammoth fail...;) My apologies :sunny:

[CookMySock]

when he freaked out and crashed because he looked in his mirror and realised I was right with him, he had no Engrish. Or license. Something else must have been going on because the cops took him away.LOL. :bye:

@Ms Piggy, if some dolt interferes with you on the road, skip the etiquette and give him a piece of your mind - don't be shy. If they tell you to get bent, well maybe they are just another asshole biker, and if you can't beat them - join them. :sunny:

But really you will find nearly all bikers are perfectly noyce folks - quite happy to have a little race from the lights with you - its great fun! Join in! Race ya! :wari:

Do you need a quicker bike? Zoom zoom!

Steve

[Katman]

What are others thoughts on this?

He's probably still congratulating himself for the fact that his cock is bigger than yours.









(Yes, I'm aware you're a female).

[sunhuntin]

i had some dumb ass do that on a freakin roundabout!
i was in front and not moving due to tons of traffic. he split to be just behind me. lane clears, and we both move, with me ahead slightly. i veer right as i spotted a car had stopped at the ped crossing... had to move as i would have been close to hitting their rear. the dumb fuck on the sportsbike had decided it was a good idea to OVERTAKE while both us are trying to go around. how the hell i didnt hit him when i moved left ill never know. would have been easier for him to wait a few mins until we got to the end of the bridge, as we were both going different ways.

so its not limited to small bikes only, as this was a lot bigger than my lil ol 250.

[Laxi]

What's to point of riding a bike if you have to be considerate? Hmmmm? It's our JOB to annoy other people. Then be smug about it.

I really must congratulate you on a job well done:bleh:

[fireliv]

If there is a bike that has filtered to the front and I come along, I dont bother as they got there first. However if a biker comes up behind me, as long as he/she doesnt hit me or is not in my way then no probs. If I am in front of him/her and I get in his/her way, then 2 bad I was there first.

Very PC aint I/me?

[Tone165]

And just remember..a green light does not mean "Go"

it means its your turn...but always check the oncoming traffic has stopped before you go!

[Ms Piggy]

You were both splitting lanes... expecting more is splitting hairs...

If you were in a hurry, you would've been away first...

Nooooo, I wasn't lane splitting.
Recently the mighty Betty and I were waiting at the lights, we were at the front of the queue...Anyhoo another rider on a 250 lane split and stopped beside me at the lights (no probs, plenty of room).


wouldnt get too worried about it Nah, I wasn't worried. Just curious what others views are.

[NZ CBR]

What about creeping to the front of the line at lights?

I truley feel like a boneless cheater and that all the pers in the cars are wanting to punch me! :spanking:

Not being stupid or squeezing through, but a good clean 'im smaller than you' que jump is fine aye??

[insomnia01]

let him/her burn you off at the lights no big deal, but if you happen to meet him/her at the next set of lights get onto their right side assuming the lights are still red when you pull watch the opposing lights then just before your set of lights turn green reach over & hit their kill switch then see how far that gets them then :spanking::spanking:

[jrandom]

Don't get guys on R1s or Beemer 1200s pulling that crap.

Or GSX1400s.

:sunny:

Personally, I find that other riders tend to shuffle politely out of my way in traffic. I'm not sure why, but I appreciate it.

Thanks, other riders.

[jrandom]

When the lights turned green the other rider basically burned off to get in front of me. It wasn't a biggie...

Yes it was, and you know it. Losing a Traffic Light GP is a shameful thing.

:nono:

It's all about clutch work and the first five metres. Take your training in the mean streets of rush hour seriously, and you shall prevail triumphant before the Christmas tree lights of timed competition.

[CookMySock]

What about creeping to the front of the line at lights? I truley feel like a boneless cheater and that all the pers in the cars are wanting to punch me! :spanking: Not being stupid or squeezing through, but a good clean 'im smaller than you' que jump is fine aye??Haha, shit yeah. It IS going to irritate them, but hey you are going to be long gone, unless you STALL IT!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Steve

[normajeane]

Well it doesn't usually worry me, lights are not big here in the southern city, BUT I would be pissed if someone took off and left me looking like a nerd when he?s/woops got the ticket from speeding off?? and I am sure that the fast takerofferer has lots of reasons for doing such a thing. Probably just a thin excuse for getting out of the dishes!!:whocares:

[AD345]

Why would anyone care if another bike left the lights faster than them?


I mean really - why?

[saltydog]

And just remember..a green light does not mean "Go", it means its your turn...but always check the oncoming traffic has stopped before you go!

Thank god theres no lights (see motorways, traffic?) here in town. We dont have to deal with any shite the OP was about.
I'd be like, "check this dude out" as he filtered forward, and then sneak a look at the opposite lights to see what phase they are at....
But seriously, I'd be trying to get off the lights quicker than you, for sure.

[saltydog]

Haha, shit yeah. you [U]STALL IT!!Steve

Imagine it!!! How would that feel?
Orrgh.

Boycout WHK BP.

[TOTO]

I always go by the rule that the first one at the lights should go firtst, and so i give way to whoever it is , regardless of if its a smaller bike than me. That is if we are in the same lane/ lane split.

if in different lanes, everyone for him/herself.

[Insanity_rules]

could just be the way the other rider rides, been known to hammer it of the line myself:Oops: wouldnt get too worried about it


Yes many is the time I've had to dodge a Kawasaki like that. I find that you let go the riders who want to go faster and the slower ones tend to get out of your way.

[The Pastor]

it basicly comes down to a question of mana, the person with the most mana must leave first from the lights. If your unsure of his or her mana (actually females cant have mana, as its not womana) you can challange them to a mana duel. The winner is the person who gets away from the lights first, becuase they have the best mana.

[CookMySock]

Imagine it!!! How would that feel?ah yeah, its not flash. :slap:

Steve

[been_there]

What about creeping to the front of the line at lights?

I truley feel like a boneless cheater and that all the pers in the cars are wanting to punch me! :spanking:


Darn guilt made me write this
Hmm never thought bout the stiffs in the cars...Good luck to them if they want to punch me...
when weight is over the ton, size is a weapon :msn-wink:

[allycatz]

Where a pink jacket so next time he knows its ladies before gentlemen...cheek of the man:msn-wink:

[McDuck]

When i am splitting like that, i take of as fast as possible (withen saftey), it is all about giving myself enough room.

[Mikkel]

If I filter to the front I'll try to avoid hanging around and slowing anyone down that's for sure! I will accelerate smartly to an acceptable excess of the speed limit and then cruise along.

Nudging other people or their vehicles is a big no no - and it's quite ok if you feel like a complete cock if you muck it up. Trying to get the fact that you feel like a complete cock across to the offended party could be considered a healthy choice as well.

Other than that, first in first served - and number two is just the fastest loser.

Generally I very seldom see any other bikers who actively lane-split through traffic here in Chch. Didn't see anyone in Sydney either. I'm a bit surprised by that to be honest.

[Laxi]

just before your set of lights turn green reach over & hit their kill switch then see how far that gets them then :spanking::spanking:


Yes many is the time I've had to dodge a Kawasaki like that. I find that you let go the riders who want to go faster and the slower ones tend to get out of your way.

whens the next ride insanity? got a new way of winding up duc riders:bleh:

[Skyryder]

There's nothing worse than burning first and coming last.


Skyryder

[mctshirt]

What about creeping to the front of the line at lights?

I truley feel like a boneless cheater and that all the pers in the cars are wanting to punch me! :spanking:

Not being stupid or squeezing through, but a good clean 'im smaller than you' que jump is fine aye??

That's how I feel about it on my rare visits to the big smoke so I tend to get away quick so no-one is held up by my selfish actions. Here at home I don't do it despite the frustration of having to wait behind a car while 2 others go through the intersection (no lights in these here parts) ;)

[Patch]

What about creeping to the front of the line at lights?
depends how you do it? If you insist on getting to the front at all costs, parking at some funny angle mere inches away from the lead car's bumper or worse blocking the pedestrian crossing while they are crossing - you deserve everything you get.


I watched some cock on a 6 hundy sprotsbike bust his way to the front at all costs one morning, funny part was watching the SRT10 driver take exception to the cock's actions, no prizes for guessing who shit their leathers cause he almost got run off the road - and all for what?? being first and a smart arse.


Fuck being first away at the lights here - one sure way to earn a trip in an ambulance, especially as half these cunts are blind.

[rosie631]

Fuck being first away at the lights here - one sure way to earn a trip in an ambulance, especially as half these cunts are blind.

Lol. exactly the same here. City full of red light runners. If you try and jump the green you're likely to get t-boned by one of them.

[Patch]

exactly - I don't understand why these morons must get to the front at all costs - it defies logic and your own personal safety.

Far safer to split the traffic and sit at least one sometimes two cars back (from the lead car/s) also impedes these morons getting to the front :devil2: unless they hop kerbs, drive between the cars and then up the inside to get to the front :gob:

Morons will always be morons - the faster they all perish and stop breeding, the safer we'll all be.

[davebullet]

Was it a male rider? Maybe he just had to support his insecurities by beating a female on an older bike?

I think it is poor ettiquette, but even worse - poor safety. Many dual lane Wellington intersections are not wide enough to accommodate 2 bikes up front. You are either eating into either lane potentially putting yourself directly in line with a car behind or almost nudging the bike next to you. Add to that wind gusts and it can make it interesting.

I rarely actually filter upto the lights anyway. Would only do it AND maintain behind the rider in question if I knew them, their abilities and takeoff speed to guarantee we both get away. I would never do this alongside.

The dude sounds like someone who will come a cropper one day....

[sunhuntin]

Fuck being first away at the lights here - one sure way to earn a trip in an ambulance, especially as half these cunts are blind.

exactly... whats the big deal not being first anyway? only time ive ever split was in welly after grubs funeral, but that was only cos my thighs were being turned into roast due to lack of movement. other than that, i prefer to wait my turn.

[Badjelly]

whats wrong with accelerating hard away from lights? maybe he was in a hury?


That's not the issue.

Or, in this case, non-issue.

Let me get this straight. Someone accelerated away from the lights faster than someone else. And this violates "rider etiquette"?

No, you're going to have to explain that again. I still don't get it.

[Fatjim]

Usually, men should always let women go first, unless you're on a motorcycle.

[Swoop]

I find that you let go the riders who want to go faster and the slower ones tend to get out of your way.
There has been an outbreak of "knobs" on the road recently... Luckily winter is well on the way and 90% of thes tossers will park their bike for "the season" and leave the roads a much safer place to ride.:clap:

[javawocky]

1) If you are on a smaller bike like I am - size up the lead car. Is it a boy racer who will want to challenge you or a granny who is way past racing.

2) Check the timing of the light sequence. Don't push forward if the light is going to change while you are trying to get to the front, and don't go to the front if you are going to be there too long - don't want to give the cagers too much time to get annoyed you snuk in in front of them.

3) Master that pull off with as little engine rpm and smoke as possible - a real challenge on a 2-smoker.

Seriously - be careful out there. :girlfight: Had an SUV get annoyed at me and pulled off with some speed - quickly popped the clutch to get ahead, but he didn't leave much room. Lucky I had my eye on him in the mirror.

[vifferman]

exactly - I don't understand why these morons must get to the front at all costs - it defies logic and your own personal safety.
Just because it's your personal choice to not do it, doesn't make others who do it morons. Those "who do it at all costs", perhaps/probably. But plenty of other bikers split to the front for perfectly valid reasons. Furthermore (plus!) it's also more legal AND safer than lane-splitting through moving traffic.
While I don't always filter to the front at the lights, I frequently do it, not because I HAVE to be first at all costs. I do it for the following reasons.
Sitting behind all the traffic starting off from a standstill/idle then accelerating, I get to suck in all their traffic fumes. The cumulative effect over weeks of commuting doesn't bear thinking about. My road-spooge covered gear attests to how much crap there is in the air.

It takes each car driver a few seconds to react to the light turning green, wait a while for the vehicle in front to move off, then move off themselves. If you're say, 10 cars back, then this represents maybe 30 or 40 seconds at each traffic light. On my commute, I have 5 traffic lights, three roundabouts, multiple pedestrian crossings and a few intersections where the cumulative time could be as much as 10 minutes or more. Fuck that - I'd rather be riding than sitting waiting. That's why my commute by bike takes 12 minutes, and by car it takes more than twice that.

I don't like riding behind traffic. While if don't absolutely have to be at the front, I like to have clear road in front of me if possible, so I can see potential hazards coming up. For that reason, I try to pass trucks, buses, vans and SUVs if I can do so safely, rather than be stuck (blindly) behind them.

Most importantly, I'm riding a bike! If I wanted to sit in traffic, I'd take the car or the bus! Why ride a manoeuverable, quick-accelerating vehicle, if I can't take advantage of that?!? If someone gets pissed off about me filtering to the front at lights when it's safe to do so, that's THEIR problem. If I don't scratch their car, or bump their mirror, it doesn't affect them at all! (Except maybe their tender ego!) If I don't filter to the front, or I do, it makes NO difference at all to how fast they get to their destination! Not one millisecond of extra time is added to their trip! I have almost invariably left the line before they've even reacted to the traffic light, so there's no hindrance to their movement.

At intersections, sitting behind cars, vans and trucks, I am frustrated how SLOW they are, to react, and to move. If I'm at the front, I don't need to wait for a large gap. Even though the VFR's not the fastest bike on the road, I can easily accelerate safely and without "unnecessary acceleration" up to the speed of the oncoming traffic, before they've even noticed and reacted to me pulling out. Zero to 60mph in 2.9 seconds equals 0-50km/h in five-fifteenths of a gnat's blink, and very few metres at all.

I don't get it, Patch. You're hding behind name-calling to justify why you don't filter to the front at lights, but you haven't actually given any real reasons why you don't, or why those who do are in the wrong.
Yes, if the biker is so set on getting to the front that he/she is a nuisance, bumps other vehicles, or endangers themselves or others, fair enough. For that reason, I don't always filter, just like I rarely lanesplit. I ask myself, "Do I need to?" and "Is there a clear path through?" and "Is there somewhere to park at the front?" I don't do it to race other people, or to be first, just to avoid sitting stationary in traffic, idling, while my bike and I both overheat.
I'm ALWAYS conscious that I'm on a bike. I don't ride my bike and drive my wife's car the same way, to the extent that in the car I take a completely different route, and try to relax and switch off while still maintaining some semblance of alertfulness.

Other bikes that race off from the lights? If I pull up beside another bike, or another bike pulls up beside me, I give them room. When the light goes green, I take off as normal, and NEVER make a race of it. Why? What would it prove? Think about it...

[xwhatsit]

Just because it's your personal choice to not do it, doesn't make others who do it morons.
Damn straight! I head to the front almost always in Auckland traffic, unless there's only a few cars. Why? I don't want some clown rear-ending me while I'm parked at the back of the queue for a start. Plus all your other points. You'd have to be mad not to do it in rush hour, stuff waiting for 4 light phases to get to your turn.

Even on a shitty 250, you're well out of everybody's way anyway when the lights go green. You're invisible to traffic, in the sense that you pass through the queue without taking up a space at the back, and you accelerate quickly enough that the car at the head of the queue isn't held up by you either. Next traffic lights... straight to the front again, lather, rinse, repeat. It's courtesy for the car drivers (and some are quite happy to move slightly to let me past on occasion) and it gets you where you're going safer and faster.

In terms of dragging off other bikes... I just accelerate at my normal rate. If that's faster than the other bike (who may have got there first) then so be it, but I don't see the issue. Most of the time they're either faaaar ahead of me by the time the light goes green (most bikes), or faaaar behind me. No need to `jostle for position'.

[Big Dave]

>>I just accelerate at my normal rate.<<

And we wait for you.

IMO the etiquette that applies is the Road Code.

[Patch]

I don't get it, Patch. You're hding behind name-calling to justify why you don't filter to the front at lights, but you haven't actually given any real reasons why you don't, or why those who do are in the wrong . . . . Think about it...
who gives a rat's arse the reason you're impatient - longwinded justification too. As to your quote above, perhaps you should read and understand before getting your soapbox out. Rosie got it. Go take your own advice.



Even on a shitty 250, you're well out of everybody's way anyway when the lights go green.
not everybody - is it really worth the risk?


So based on the two upset Dorklander's opinions and I find there reasoning to be quite lame - its faster and they don't want to wait there turn.


No wonder the rest of the country despises this attitude - Just an Arrogant Fucking Aucklander

[Badjelly]

IMO the etiquette that applies is the Road Code.

And what does the Road Code say about filtering to the front of the queue and dragging off the other cars/bikes?

On second thoughts, please don't answer that, it's been done to death on this site many times.

[xwhatsit]

>>I just accelerate at my normal rate.<<

And we wait for you.
Yup -- hence it's not normally an issue. It's so rare to meet another bike on the roads, let alone another 250RS (Ms Piggy bought them all for spares!) then the issue of `who goes first' is already decided by the bikes in question.


not everybody - is it really worth the risk?
What do you mean? A car's going to catch up to my arse? Very rare, they spend at least 5-6 seconds getting into gear and waking up to the green light, and most cars only really pull away at >50kph from a low-geared bike. But yes occasionally you'll pull up next to a Porsche or RS4. In that case you either pull into the other lane where the Festiva is at the front or you pull well off to the side and let him go first -- if he's quick enough to get ahead, then he'll be miles ahead of the rest of the traffic so you're out of trouble anyway.

There's certain times and places where you simply don't stop filtering the whole time. Parnell Rd can often be at a complete standstill all the way back to Newmarket and it doesn't matter when you get to the head of the queue, as the cars can't move through the intersection anyway. So the point is moot.

Patch, if you spent a little time on Vffaffermon's or my commute you'd soon get the picture. Sure we get ahead, but it's like splitting on the motorway -- either you sit in traffic and expose yourself to danger and hold up other vehicles (occupying a place in the queue), or you get out of the lane and simply `pass through' traffic without affecting its flow, as though you weren't there at all. All the car drivers I've discussed this with (Auckland drivers, mind) understand this logic, and without any coaching from me have long been happy with the practice (lane splitting is a different story usually though).

[Usarka]

@Ms Piggy, if some dolt interferes with you on the road, skip the etiquette and give him a piece of your mind - don't be shy. If they tell you to get bent, well maybe they are just another asshole biker, and if you can't beat them - join them.


Awesome advice in a country where folk have been known to respond to such acts with hammers....

[Patch]

There's certain times and places where you simply don't stop filtering the whole time. Parnell Rd can often be at a complete standstill all the way back to Newmarket and it doesn't matter when you get to the head of the queue, as the cars can't move through the intersection anyway. So the point is moot.
how exactly do you filter/split down a narrow single lane road :weird: unless you take the suicide lane up the inside between the parked cars or ride on the wrong side of the road as the gaps appear in the oncoming traffic - hardly splitting/filtering down that road is it? Your life to lose. Not to mention the pedestrians that may or may not step out in front of you - given that location.



Patch, if you spent a little time on Vffaffermon's or my commute you'd soon get the picture.
you assume I don't/haven't - what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude??

But you being 21 you've been everywhere, done everything by now, my mistake as you were, fuckin gen X.

[PirateJafa]

you assume I don't/haven't - what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude??

But you being 21 you've been everywhere, done everything by now, my mistake as you were, fuckin gen X.
Sit down and shut up, granddad.

It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prov- oh wait, you just did.

Edit: You do realise I hope that trolling other members because you disagree with them does not advance your own argument in any way?

A prudent and careful approach to filtering change my commute from a 60-70 minute nightmate to a sub-25 minute cruise.I have yet to experience ANY road-rage/unhappy opinions from car drivers about my filtering. In fact, I've experienced far worse from car drivers simply for happily, legally occupying a lane at the posted speed limit.

[Slyer]

So based on the two upset Dorklander's opinions and I find there reasoning to be quite lame - its faster and they don't want to wait there turn.


No wonder the rest of the country despises this attitude - Just an Arrogant Fucking Aucklander
I laugh at people that hate on aucklanders so much
Don't they realise how fucking naive and ignorant they sound?

Geographical location doesn't mean anything you dick.

[Usarka]

I laugh at people that hate on aucklanders so much
Don't they realise how fucking naive and ignorant they sound?

Geographical location doesn't mean anything you dick.

Or you could interpret such comments that all non-aucklanders are uptight bigots.... :lol:

[dipshit]

I laugh at people that hate on aucklanders so much
Don't they realise how fucking naive and ignorant they sound?


Truth hurts, a.

[Usarka]

Truth hurts, a.

It's spelled "eh" you inbred non-aucklander. Bahahahahahahahahaha

[buellbabe]

What Vifferman said...:clap:

Each to their own. Just cos a person lane splits/filters or positions themselves at the head of the queue that doesn't automatically make them a moron...
What makes them a moron is HOW they do it:rolleyes:

If I decide to filter to the front and another bike is already there I give them right-of-way. Same deal when I'm splitting down the motorway...if there is another bike up ahead doing the same thing I change lanes so as not to intefere with the other rider...

If someone wants to drag me off at the lights I generally regard them with some amusement...if he/she wants to fang it to the next red thats their business LOL.

[Big Dave]

JAFA v JAMY

[boomer]

you assume I don't/haven't - what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude??

But you being 21 you've been everywhere, done everything by now, my mistake as you were, fuckin gen X.



Sit down and shut up, granddad.

It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prov- oh wait, you just did.

Edit: You do realise I hope that trolling other members because you disagree with them does not advance your own argument in any way?


You should take some of your own medicine !?

[xwhatsit]

how exactly do you filter/split down a narrow single lane road :weird: unless you take the suicide lane up the inside between the parked cars or ride on the wrong side of the road as the gaps appear in the oncoming traffic - hardly splitting/filtering down that road is it? Your life to lose. Not to mention the pedestrians that may or may not step out in front of you - given that location.

I don't, generally, split down narrow single lane roads, given that there's none on my commute and it would seem pretty silly anyway. However the rare times these do pop up I take them at around walking pace, stopping to put my feet down occasionally as you roll around a wing mirror etc. Given the traffic is `parking lot', you're still moving forward anyway. Bicycles are usually faster in this case so it's hardly dangerous.


you assume I don't/haven't - what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude??

But you being 21 you've been everywhere, done everything by now, my mistake as you were, fuckin gen X.
I'm sure you might've done the same thing once or twice. I didn't even look at your location, assumed you were an Aucklander to be honest. Is this the normal tactic you use when somebody disagrees with you?

All in all I feel pretty safe doing it and pretty comfortable that the drivers are happy with me doing it to. Like PirateJafa, one tends to bump into pissed-off cagers when your riding along on an empty road doing 50kph. Cagers stuck in traffic jams seem quite happy to let me float by by comparison. In fact quite often on my way to uni I'll be sitting at the front of the lights and the guy in the car at the front will wind down his window and tell me the usual `my mate used to have a bike just like that one' story.

[vifferman]

some cock... cock's ...shit their leathers ... smart arse....
Fuck ....these cunts....


... morons ....morons ....
Morons ...morons - the faster they all perish and stop breeding, the safer we'll all be.


who gives a rat's arse ....

No wonder the rest of the country despises this attitude - Just an Arrogant Fucking Aucklander


what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude?? fuckin gen X.

Oh - and THANKS for the negative rep! :niceone:
It was quite a novelty for me - with nearly 20,000 rep points, I've only seen one of them little red box thingies a half dozen times!
Would you care to expand on "Blah blah blah"? :confused:
I'm not sure what you meant. :confused:

Hmmmm.... :rolleyes:
What about your attitude?
You mentioned "logic" in between ranting, but there was rather a dearth of logic in what you posted.

You've rather missed the point: I lane-split, and filter, when I judge (in my 35+ years of riding/driving experience), that it's safe to do so. Not always, not for some capricious or "my penis is bigger than yours" reason, and not at every opportunity, but only when I feel it's warranted.
Not to merely get to the front, not to win the Wacky Races, not because "I do it, so it MUST be right!" but for quite carefully thought out reasons. In so doing, I don't hold up any other motorists, I don't impede their progress, I don't endanger them or myself in any way (unless they break the law and change lanes in a dangerous manner), I don't break any laws, I don't act in a way which will annoy anyone, unless they (apparently, like yourself) have an attitude problem and hate to have anyone pass them.
In fact, logically, if I split to the front, I have LESS effect on other motorists, than if I "queue with everyone else" and therefore impede those behind me. If you were sitting in a line of traffic, and I split past you, then you would arrive at your destination at EXACTLY the same time as if I was behind you. It would have no effect on you apart from you getting angry.
If I was in the queue ahead of you, and then lanesplit to the front, you would actually arrive EARLIER, and apparently that would make you angry too, if you saw me.
Think about it....

Unlike you, I also have a built-in capacity for self-analysis and introspection. Just because I do something or say something, doesn't make it right. If you can give me some reason based on law, commonsense, logic, or whatever, why what I am doing is wrong, then I will give it some thought.

(Alternatively, you could just throw some more invective at me, or perhaps wait a few days and red-rep me again.)

[Big Dave]

with nearly 20,000 rep points,

n00b.

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[breakaway]

Personally I like to wheelstand while I'm splitting between cars stopped at the lights. I've taken out several wing mirrors with my footpegs and exhaust a few times :doh:

[Patch]

blah blah.. I ... I .. blah blah . . . I don't . . . . I don't . . . .blah blah blah
interesting to read that you think so fucking much of yourself - and yet you assume certain things about others who have a different opinion.
Careful your hairy arse doesn't break the soapbox your standing on.


Thanks for the confirmation that my post/s touched a nerve or three.

FTW - I never said you were wrong . . . but if the shoe fits

[vifferman]

interesting to read that you think so fucking much of yourself - and yet you assume certain things about others who have a different opinion.
You are assuming a lot there! I actually have a very sober opinion of myself, and don't take myself very seriously at all (note my signature lines, f'rinstance!) I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong when shown to be so, and have taken the piss out of myself numerous times on KB.
Who is it here, that's calling people with different opinions "morons" and red-repping them?

The only thing I assumed (and with reason) is that it obviously makes you very angry that people filter to the front at traffic lights. You, on the other hand, have assumed that those of us who filter do so because we are "impatient" and can't be bothered to "wait our turn". I assumed (once again, with reason) that you view this as "queue-hopping", when in fact, it doesn't disadvantage anyone who is in the queue any more than someone flying from Wellington to Auckland disadvantages those who have to drive or go on the bus.
I suggest you think very carefully about the logic of this, take some anger management courses, and get over yourself.


Careful your hairy arse doesn't break the soapbox your standing on.
Very witty.


Thanks for the confirmation that my post/s touched a nerve or three.

It's nothing to do with nerves or feelings (you'll note that it's YOU who are resorting to name-calling).
YOU said:
"I don't understand why these morons must get to the front at all costs - it defies logic and your own personal safety.
Far safer to split the traffic and sit at least one sometimes two cars back (from the lead car/s)."

I was trying to explain to you why I ride to the front (and not "at all costs") and the logic behind it, and the fact that it IS safer than "split(ting) the traffic and sit(ting) at least one sometimes two cars back".

Glass houses, stones, etc.
If you're going to talk with any credibility about morons and logic, make sure you actually use logic, present your arguments using facts, and then you won't end up portraying yourself as a moron.
If you're going to post things that are poorly thought out and lacking in logic, then be prepared to have people point out the flaws, and try not to take it so personally. Learn from it, and get over yourself.

[Patch]

present your arguments using facts
Fact is, it is merely my opinion - not an argument.

Don't like my opinion - take your own advice, get over it.


So is that one or two pairs of shoes you will be needing??

[vifferman]

So is that one or two pairs of shoes you will be needing??
I'm a guy - I don't need any more shoes.

[Ms Piggy]

Why would anyone care if another bike left the lights faster than them?


I mean really - why?

He didn't leave me at the lights. We actually both took off from the lights at the same time but I could tell that he wanted to be in front so gave way because I can't be fluffed playing little games and Betty wouldn't be able to do it anyway!

[Ms Piggy]

When i am splitting like that, i take of as fast as possible (withen saftey), it is all about giving myself enough room.

Hear me roar: I wasn't lane splitting.
Recently the mighty Betty and I were waiting at the lights, we were at the front of the queue (Btw - Betty is my CB250RS and the ripe old age of 25yrs)....another rider on a 250 lane split and stopped beside me at the lights (no probs, plenty of room).

[Harvd]

WOW that was dramatic... Yeah Vifferman u got it right (mainly because what you said made sense lol!)

[Ms Piggy]

Or, in this case, non-issue.

Let me get this straight. Someone accelerated away from the lights faster than someone else. And this violates "rider etiquette"?
No you've got it all bent.


No, you're going to have to explain that again. I still don't get it.
Okay...so...
Recently the mighty Betty and I were waiting at the lights, we were at the front of the queue (Btw - Betty is my CB250RS and the ripe old age of 25yrs)...another rider on a 250 lane split and stopped beside me at the lights (no probs, plenty of room). When the lights turned green the other rider basically burned off to get in front of me. He and I took off together and then:
I could tell that he wanted to be in front so gave way because I can't be fluffed playing little games and Betty wouldn't be able to do it anyway!

[The Stranger]

What are others thoughts on this?

My thoughts are - you worry too much about mundane things.

[Ixion]

how exactly do you filter/split down a narrow single lane road :weird: unless you take the suicide lane up the inside between the parked cars or ride on the wrong side of the road as the gaps appear in the oncoming traffic - hardly splitting/filtering down that road is it? Your life to lose. Not to mention the pedestrians that may or may not step out in front of you - given that location.


But , but but - What do you think the footpath is for?




you assume I don't/haven't - what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude??

But you being 21 you've been everywhere, done everything by now, my mistake as you were, fuckin gen X.

Me, I am Gen XXXX - in every way.

[Anarkist]

ITT: Vifferman feeds the troll.

[vifferman]

But , but but - What do you think the footpath is for?

Weeeellll.... I did think it was an extension of the road when the road was clogged with non-moving vehicles.
Until my brain was befuddled by prescription drugs, and I faceplanted on it when the front tyre found insufficient friction on the grass verge. :o
It was worse than that time I ran out of motorway and discovered the gravlly bit beside the motorway was 150mm lower than the sealed bit and I was nearly marrooned....

DISCLAIMER: No-one (apart from me) was hurt in the making of this email.

[Ixion]

Weeeellll.... I did think it was an extension of the road when the road was clogged with non-moving vehicles.
Until my brain was befuddled by prescription drugs, and I faceplanted on it when the front tyre found insufficient friction on the grass verge. :o
It was worse than that time I ran out of motorway and discovered the gravlly bit beside the motorway was 150mm lower than the sealed bit and I was nearly marrooned....

DISCLAIMER: No-one (apart from me) was hurt in the making of this email.

That's just worngA. You should NOT be riding on the grass verges. They are for the pedestrians, you have the road and the footpath is that not enough?

Marrooned? Is that a more serious version of being pinked in the doublet?

[CookMySock]

Hear me roar: I wasn't lane splitting.:blink::eek::apumpin::mega::blip:


I could tell that he wanted to be in front so gave way [....] Oh. How could you tell ?

Steve

[Insanity_rules]

whens the next ride insanity? got a new way of winding up duc riders:bleh:

I think we need a ride and soon. I still have the Honda so lets get out and do it. BTW if you touch my kill switch I'll moon you into next tuesday.

[Laxi]

I think we need a ride and soon. I still have the Honda so lets get out and do it. BTW if you touch my kill switch I'll moon you into next tuesday.

point that thing at me and you'll be my personal bike stand:Pokey:,
shit im itching for a ride, still stuck with the kids, havnt been out on the bike for a whole week

[Insanity_rules]

There has been an outbreak of "knobs" on the road recently... Luckily winter is well on the way and 90% of thes tossers will park their bike for "the season" and leave the roads a much safer place to ride.:clap:

OMG I thought it was just because I was back on my smaller bike that I was getting carved up so badly but yeah that would explain it. By bad I mean cut off and stuff.

[gatch]

If I meet a fellow motorcyclist at the lights I will not hesitate to throw down in fisticuffs, shirts removed we will battle until only one is standing, this is how the "first to leave" is/should be decided.

[Big Dave]

They breed 'em tough in Palmy.

[PirateJafa]

They inbreed 'em tough in Palmy.

Fixed.


*runs away*

[Slyer]

Whatever works.

[MarkH]

On my commute, I have 5 traffic lights, three roundabouts, multiple pedestrian crossings and a few intersections where the cumulative time could be as much as 10 minutes or more. Fuck that - I'd rather be riding than sitting waiting. That's why my commute by bike takes 12 minutes, and by car it takes more than twice that.

100% Agree - I split to the front to get through the traffic congestion, it's why I got pissed off with driving a car in Auckland and bought my scooter. I split to the front whenever I can see that there is enough room to do so and I can do it without hitting other vehicles or making a nuisance of myself, so why not?

[fatzx10r]

Anyhoo another rider on a 250 lane split and stopped beside me at the lights.

next time reach over and flick there kill switch just before the light's change :devil2:

[mctshirt]

next time reach over and flick there kill switch just before the light's change :devil2:

Pulling a plug lead out causes way more havoc :devil2:

Out in the paddocks at work we would race between gates. The rule was the winner got to open and shut the gate (effectively handicapping them for the next leg). With practise it was possible to flick the parked bike's fuel switch to Off as we rode past while their back was turned. A few hundred metres down the track they would experience a sudden loss of power which could be the difference between catching up and woefully slow. Again with practise one would recognise the symptoms of lack of fuel and flick it back on before the engine was starved of fuel completely. But oh what fun we had with the new guys telling them to kick it over again cause it sounds like it will go... :clap:

[Ms Piggy]

:blink::eek::apumpin::mega::blip:

Oh. How could you tell ?

Steve

That would be cos he was leaning forward on his bike and revving the guts out of it. Plus, it's like how as a rider you know a car is going turn even though it's not indicating, you just know.

Anyhoo it was more about finding out what others thoughts were, thanks to those of you who contributed in a helpful, interesting and varied way that only KBers can!

It wasn't a HUGE deal for me just a question I had as a result of commuting into work this year.

[CookMySock]

That would be cos he was leaning forward on his bike and revving the guts out of it. Plus, it's like how as a rider you know a car is going turn even though it's not indicating, you just know.Oh. I see. Well the leaning forward and revving it is just a boy thing I think. You might try it though, its a blast. ;) Other people will look at you though, and they will think "ooh that speedy biker wants to go first!!" so you will frequently be misinterpreted. ;) So watch out for that.. ;)


It wasn't a HUGE deal for me just a question I had as a result of commuting into work this year.Goody. :hug:

Ok green light coming up.. are you ready? :spanking::banana::lol::blah::blip:

Steve
p.s. yes I'm teasing you just a bit. ;)

[vifferman]

Anyhoo it was more about finding out what others thoughts were, thanks to those of you who contributed in a helpful, interesting and varied way that only KBers can!
Oops!
Sorry for side-tracking your thread. :o

[Swoop]

Oops!
Sorry for side-tracking your thread. :o
A thread getting sidetracked on KB? Never!

Has anyone mentioned beer yet?

[MarkH]

That would be cos he was leaning forward on his bike and revving the guts out of it.

Since he had split through to get to the front of the queue beside you then it is possible he wanted to take off quickly to get well away from all the cars that he just pushed in front of. Whenever I split to the front at the lights I always take of and get up to 55kph as quickly as I can so I don't hold up anyone that I pushed past.

Regardless, I don't see his actions as any big deal.

[Ixion]

A thread getting sidetracked on KB? Never!

Has anyone mentioned beer yet?


I don't think anyone has asked the REALLY important question yet (and if they have, it's important enough to bear repetition). Did he wave to the porcine gentlewoman? And did she wave to him? And what SORT of wave?

[Chrislost]

I've been hit in the leg twice by retarded selfish little monkeys. I chased a ZXR400 rider down one morning who clipped me trying to get past. I was stationary, he was moving. The red light obviously didn't mean much. Anyway, when he freaked out and crashed because he looked in his mirror and realised I was right with him, he had no Engrish. Or license. Something else must have been going on because the cops took him away.

Another time a CBR250RR rider pulled up alongside me, hit my knee hard enough to make me consider crying as an option, caroomed off into the SUV next door and then weaved through the traffic crossing in front of him to get away from us. Red light again.

I think it's rude. Dangerous. Ignorant even. Especially when you wonder where they went when the lights go green, and they then pull some astounding, physics defying moves to get back in front of you.

Seems to be a small bike thing though. Don't get guys on R1s or Beemer 1200s pulling that crap.

No. The R1s and other bigger bikes don't thrash away from the lights, but they probably pull away faster then a 250 thats screaming its nuts off anyway! Have you ever ridden one? Gutless wonders!

I have found that some riders park right at the front of the gap between the cars and dont leave room for other bikes to get past, thus leaving the 2nd bike BETWEEN TWO CARS when the lights go green... NOT A PLACE I WOULD LIKE TO BE!
Hitting a bike and a car to get past is a bit low tho, but perhaps next time the bike that got hit will split to the front and then PULL IN FRONT OF THE CARS SO AS TO NOT BLOCK THE OTHER BIKES THAT WERE TRYING TO SPLIT TOO.

I have thought about running over a guys foot after 3 intersections where he was in the way. But only because he was lanesplitting very timidly and obviously didnt know the width of his bike because he would stop and "walk" past almost every van/truck.

[CookMySock]

he was lanesplitting very timidly and obviously didnt know the width of his bike because he would stop and "walk" past almost every van/truck.offtopic here, but this is an important lesson for newbs I think. Bikes ARE a lot narrower than cars, but many newbs will hit the brakes unduly (and unsafely) hard in an emergency, rather than use a motorcycle-sized gap.

Steve

[Mikkel]

Has anyone mentioned beer yet?

WHERE? :woohoo:

[Ms Piggy]

...he was lanesplitting very timidly and obviously didnt know the width of his bike because he would stop and "walk" past almost every van/truck.

Actually this is another observation I've made since commuting as well.

Sometimes riders splitting in front of me ride slower and hold me up (not that I'm the speedy lanesplitting machine!). Other riders pull over into the traffic lane but still stick out a little so that I'm unable to safely split past them.

This hasn't happened often but when I'm riding along the MW I am always checking my mirrors for other bikes so that I can pull into the lane and give way to bigger bikes. It's not helpful or safe being blocked by another rider.

Just another commuting observation. I only started commuting this year when we shifted to Lower Hutt, so this is all kinda new experiences to me.

[Ms Piggy]

I don't think anyone has asked the REALLY important question yet (and if they have, it's important enough to bear repetition). Did he wave to the porcine gentlewoman? And did she wave to him? And what SORT of wave?
Alas! No wave was given or received!

[PuppetMaster]

Alas! No wave was given or received!


What the ?
Start a new thread about the "No Wave".

[PuppetMaster]

Oh, my 2 cents worth MS Piglet....
If Im at the front and another bike comes up behind me (at the lights) I will take off a little quicker than normal and move into the vacant left lane so the bike behind me can pass if he/she wants. Maybe this chap just wanted to get out of your way.

[hkyglie]

Maybe he thought you wanted to race.....In the state I live in now, Washington, lane splitting is illegal :weep: I lived & rode in California for many years, where lane splitting is legal & I would not worry about who takes off first, it is no big deal.....The biggest problem with lane splitting over here, is jealous cagers, I have been spit on, had drinks thrown at me, broom sticks, glof clubs & other long items stuck out the window in attempt to block me. Just be safe, & ride smart.....

[MarkH]

The biggest problem with lane splitting over here, is jealous cagers, I have been spit on, had drinks thrown at me, broom sticks, glof clubs & other long items stuck out the window in attempt to block me.

Geez that would make me so mad - if a person in a car stuck a glof club out the window in attempt to block me then I would stop and punch his (or her, even easier if it is a female) stupid head in!

[The Stranger]

Geez that would make me so mad - if a person in a car stuck a glof club out the window in attempt to block me then I would stop and punch his (or her, even easier if it is a female) stupid head in!

What a load of shit - you do realise there would be no keyboard there to hide behind don't you.

[Ixion]

Geez that would make me so mad - if a person in a car stuck a glof club out the window in attempt to block me then I would stop and punch his (or her, even easier if it is a female) stupid head in!

Just ride on through. Unless the club is bolted in place, you'll just knock it away, with luck break the plonkers arm, maybe even his neck. Know of at least one loser ended up with a broken arm sticking it out to impede a splitting biker.

[MarkH]

What a load of shit - you do realise there would be no keyboard there to hide behind don't you.

Yeah, you got me. It is unlikely that I would actually engage in a physical altercation with the dipshit in question.

It would still piss me off though - imagine if an inexperienced rider tried lane splitting for the first time and then panicked when they saw a broom/bat/club thrust out of a window ahead, that could cause them to crash into a car or something. I think some motorists have never even considered the concept of showing courtesy to others on the road.

[The Stranger]

I think some motorists have never even considered the concept of showing courtesy to others on the road.

Got to agree with you 100% there.
As many know, we live on one of the busiest roads in the country and near to the motorway end to boot, so almost any time we want to exit our driveway we rely upon the courtesy of others.
This is actually not as bad as it sounds, it's quite effective really. But it is interesting to see what races and gender have a concept courtesy.

[bikemike]

Try this


If there's barely enough room, that's not enough, stay put.
If there's room and it looks friendly at the front, filter up - knowing where your bike will be placed.
If there's room but it's a little hostile; bogans, F150s, magwheels, beer drinking, loud music, fumes etc etc... stay put and watch for the amber light. Then, shoulder check, indicator, pootle on out and you are rolling at the front as the light goes green - if clear, go.


I have only once had a problem with anyone taking issue with my getting away at the lights, and that was a bike on Moorhouse Ave. First encounter, I was away first at the lights, adjacent lanes, and shot up to 50/60 and then cruised. Other guy roared past then slammed on brakes. Next lights same again, but he added in a wheelie as he passed me. At the third lights he gave me livid verbal grief for my piece of shit bike, I pulled away first and then he did another wheelie as he passed me. I just pulled into work, I wasn't in a hurry!

Today a femme on a ginny or somesuch wove about me as I was doing item two above. She shot off ahead of me and must have averaged over 75 all the way along Moorheouse and bugger me if she didn't make every green light. By the time I pulled in she was long gone. Good on her, but, at that speed surely a ticket will be inevitable!?

As for leaving room for another bike to filter behind me, I make no guarantee of that. I'll check if there's somewhere to put my bike, you do same for yours.

I like first come first served if appropriate too. It's more of an issue in cars though, especially if you pull up to a wide T and wish to turn (normally right) and the next rude sod pulls up to get a better view for himself so you can no longer see. I fail to see how that has become normal behaviour here.:mad:
If it is me rolling up second in the car I use the view through their window or past the back of theirs, not in front!

I've filtered the Police at lights at times with no problems ever, but must admit that even when I know it's safe, and legal, I sometimes think twice and decide against it. I always go with that instinct :-)

Also, I agree with Vifferman.

[hkyglie]

Try this


If there's barely enough room, that's not enough, stay put.
If there's room and it looks friendly at the front, filter up - knowing where your bike will be placed.
If there's room but it's a little hostile; bogans, F150s, magwheels, beer drinking, loud music, fumes etc etc... stay put and watch for the amber light. Then, shoulder check, indicator, pootle on out and you are rolling at the front as the light goes green - if clear, go.


I have only once had a problem with anyone taking issue with my getting away at the lights, and that was a bike on Moorhouse Ave. First encounter, I was away first at the lights, adjacent lanes, and shot up to 50/60 and then cruised. Other guy roared past then slammed on brakes. Next lights same again, but he added in a wheelie as he passed me. At the third lights he gave me livid verbal grief for my piece of shit bike, I pulled away first and then he did another wheelie as he passed me. I just pulled into work, I wasn't in a hurry!

Today a femme on a ginny or somesuch wove about me as I was doing item two above. She shot off ahead of me and must have averaged over 75 all the way along Moorheouse and bugger me if she didn't make every green light. By the time I pulled in she was long gone. Good on her, but, at that speed surely a ticket will be inevitable!?

As for leaving room for another bike to filter behind me, I make no guarantee of that. I'll check if there's somewhere to put my bike, you do same for yours.

I like first come first served if appropriate too. It's more of an issue in cars though, especially if you pull up to a wide T and wish to turn (normally right) and the next rude sod pulls up to get a better view for himself so you can no longer see. I fail to see how that has become normal behaviour here.:mad:
If it is me rolling up second in the car I use the view through their window or past the back of theirs, not in front!

I've filtered the Police at lights at times with no problems ever, but must admit that even when I know it's safe, and legal, I sometimes think twice and decide against it. I always go with that instinct :-)

Also, I agree with Vifferman.


Great advive....:first: