MNZ elections?

[suzuki mama]

Where are the voting papers? why cant we vote on line, all those people in office surely someone knows where a post box is!

last year we were told they were sent out by a direct mailing firm, so apparently there is no one in office capable of collating this and getting it out to members on time.

or is the late arrival just another sneaky plot to keep voting fiqures low.?

in years gone by repected life members oversaw voting ,you could do by mail and at AGM AND VOTES CAST WERE VERIFIED.
ANY OTHER CLUB CONSIDERING THIS SHOULD BE DONE AT AGM AND THE VOTES NOT SIMPLY DESTROYED After all they are no longer secret as your rider number on them .
How legal is that?

This would remove lingering doubts some of us have over the election process in recent years.

given the constant interference by Huntly and some in our club are of the opinion the office thinks its MNZ AND NOT THE MEMBERS,

inTHINGS THE OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE INTERFERING WITH.the feeling is the watch word of this AGM should be.
putting things right ,openess and honesty

[Robert Taylor]

Where are the voting papers? why cant we vote on line, all those people in office surely someone knows where a post box is!

last year we were told they were sent out by a direct mailing firm, so apparently there is no one in office capable of collating this and getting it out to members on time.

or is the late arrival just another sneaky plot to keep voting fiqures low.?

in years gone by repected life members oversaw voting ,you could do by mail and at AGM AND VOTES CAST WERE VERIFIED.
ANY OTHER CLUB CONSIDERING THIS SHOULD BE DONE AT AGM AND THE VOTES NOT SIMPLY DESTROYED After all they are no longer secret as your rider number on them .
How legal is that?

This would remove lingering doubts some of us have over the election process in recent years.

given the constant interference by Huntly and some in our club are of the opinion the office thinks its MNZ AND NOT THE MEMBERS,

inTHINGS THE OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE INTERFERING WITH.the feeling is the watch word of this AGM should be.
putting things right ,openess and honesty

Demonstrably certain people within that organisation have no respect for democratic process and common etiquette.

[Maido]

Where are the voting papers? why cant we vote on line, all those people in office surely someone knows where a post box is!

last year we were told they were sent out by a direct mailing firm, so apparently there is no one in office capable of collating this and getting it out to members on time.

or is the late arrival just another sneaky plot to keep voting fiqures low.?

in years gone by repected life members oversaw voting ,you could do by mail and at AGM AND VOTES CAST WERE VERIFIED.
ANY OTHER CLUB CONSIDERING THIS SHOULD BE DONE AT AGM AND THE VOTES NOT SIMPLY DESTROYED After all they are no longer secret as your rider number on them .
How legal is that?

This would remove lingering doubts some of us have over the election process in recent years.

given the constant interference by Huntly and some in our club are of the opinion the office thinks its MNZ AND NOT THE MEMBERS,

inTHINGS THE OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE INTERFERING WITH.the feeling is the watch word of this AGM should be.
putting things right ,openess and honesty


What did MNZ say about this when you emailed or rung them?

[sharky]

Just got mine in the mail today.

[Tony.OK]

I got 2 lots today:rolleyes:, along with the 08 annual report. Some very interesting figures in there.
Reading PP's report ya definately get the feeling that MX is more important.

[suzuki mama]

On contacting was told several days ago they would be out on 15th of this month ,
Ours havnt arrived yet but have been rung and told some in club have.
It appears but will wait to really comment till i see them that initial impressions are -
1 - Creative accounting again
2- Why has Brian Davidsons name been left out of list of officials for second year.
3- Castrol actually paid serious money for Road racing and have the smallest thank you -is it because road race commisioner arranged the sponsorship himself and pp couldnt get a percentage for himself like other years
4-lots of comment about changing the dealing with disputes and code of conduct violations really not waving a brief case at a rider and common sense appeals to me
5-Evidently neither the President nor the Ceo could bring themselves to acknowledge Paul Stewarts contribution to our sport
6-everyone look at who spent what in expenses
and mind boggling but will relie on seeing it myself ,did we really spend 300k+
on staff salaries .

[Tony.OK]

6-everyone look at who spent what in expenses
and mind boggling but will relie on seeing it myself ,did we really spend 300k+
on staff salaries .

$306662.00 to be precise, thats cool though when ya see how much went to road racing............................................ .................................................. .................................................. ............................$10159.00:doh:

[suzuki mama]

MNZ PULLED ITS MONEY FOR ROAD RACING AND DIDNT CONTRIBUTE THIS YEAR ALTHOUGH I HEAR THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THE TV THAT WAS PAID FOR BY THE DISTRIBUTORS I UNDERSTAND SO WHAT WAS THE VAST SUM OF 10t USED ON ?
CERTAINLY WASNT MEDIA AS MY MAN HEARD PP WAS ONLY PAYING FOR 1 POST AND ONE PRE RACE RELEASE AND JIM T DID ALL THE RADIO BREAK OUTS FOR FREE AS WELL AS GETTING RACING ONTO TV NEWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AT NO COST COULD BE WRONG BUT DONT THINK SO .

hOW MUCH MONEY DID MNZ PUT INTO MOTOR CROSS? ALSO THE ROAD RACE WEBSITE NOT FUNDED BY MNZ

[Robert Taylor]

MNZ PULLED ITS MONEY FOR ROAD RACING AND DIDNT CONTRIBUTE THIS YEAR ALTHOUGH I HEAR THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THE TV THAT WAS PAID FOR BY THE DISTRIBUTORS I UNDERSTAND SO WHAT WAS THE VAST SUM OF 10t USED ON ?
CERTAINLY WASNT MEDIA AS MY MAN HEARD PP WAS ONLY PAYING FOR 1 POST AND ONE PRE RACE RELEASE AND JIM T DID ALL THE RADIO BREAK OUTS FOR FREE AS WELL AS GETTING RACING ONTO TV NEWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AT NO COST COULD BE WRONG BUT DONT THINK SO .

hOW MUCH MONEY DID MNZ PUT INTO MOTOR CROSS? ALSO THE ROAD RACE WEBSITE NOT FUNDED BY MNZ

Yep, and I can tell you for free that MX people are not very happy with the current dictatorship.

[roadracingoldfart]

Demonstrably certain people within that organisation have no respect for democratic process and common etiquette.



Yer Robert , and they bloody dress funny too :shifty: :eek:

Democracy = bending over for money since ages ago :msn-wink:



.

[eelracing]

Reading PP's report ya definately get the feeling that MX is more important.


MX is MNZ's cash cow at this time as the number of competitors is huge compared to roadracing.Cost (ie compared to roadracing)and the availability of competitive machinery to young and old has got to be a factor in this regard.

Im still waiting for my forms.

[Patch]

hOW MUCH MONEY DID MNZ PUT INTO MOTOR CROSS? ALSO THE ROAD RACE WEBSITE NOT FUNDED BY MNZ
why any of you continue to put up with the shit of MNZ management - assuming everything that has been posted is true and correct with substantial basis.


Perhaps a meeting of members MX & RR is called for without management in attendance. I'm sure enough members have the suitable qualifications (in their 'jobs') to organise/advertise/note such a meeting to constructively detail an effective method of fixing all the general complaints.


What is an organisation without members?

[suzuki mama]

Yeah the voting papers arrived, little confused ,4 registered members ie have licences ,7 packs arrived,
Absolutely no profiles about candidates except of course the presidents report with lovely photo.
the reports i received were not wrong!!!!
why should we accept these accounts, we wouldnt do it in our own Business especially love how.
MNZ MADE A PROFIT BECAUSE LAND REVALUED,
IS THAT ACTUAL CASH IN THE BANK?
The word smoke screen comes to mind when reading both the Presidents and CEOS reports.
Paul P.should really know who sponsered what, i think i rode at a suzuki event he says Castrol main sponser!!!
Castrol actually came up with cash for road racing and gave product etc contra i think its called for other event,
Of course Demon Energy got huge thanks why wouldnt they be delighted gave least to get naming rights
As to the charter the Chow has it right ,we dont need one just a properly functioning Board ,President and Ceo,
Interesting every time MNZ IS IN THE GUN OFFICE AND BOARD ,SOMETHING IS DRUMMED UP TO TAKE ATTENTION AWAY FROM REAL ISSUES.
wE ALL REMEMBER THE MOB MENTALITY THAT WAS DRUMMED UP OVER A MOTOR CROSS INCIDENT,Going off to read in full

[Shorty_925]

anyone notice that licence income has more or less stayed the same as well, and day licences have gone down? People not bothering to race anymore with track days and trail rides that are out there?

[steveyb]

3- Castrol actually paid serious money for Road racing and have the smallest thank you -is it because road race commisioner arranged the sponsorship himself and pp couldnt get a percentage for himself like other years


I am not on anyones side here, but the aforementioned could be construed as slanderous and if anyone decides to take offence (no, not a fence) you and this websites administrators could be taken to task over such a comment.

One needs to be thoughtful and careful before committing to writing ones thoughts. This site is neither truely anonymous as the site has your personal details, nor fleeting as all posts will be archived somewhere.

Enjoy

[The Chow]

I am not on anyones side here, but the aforementioned could be construed as slanderous and if anyone decides to take offence (no, not a fence) you and this websites administrators could be taken to task over such a comment.

One needs to be thoughtful and careful before committing to writing ones thoughts. This site is neither truely anonymous as the site has your personal details, nor fleeting as all posts will be archived somewhere.

Enjoy

Problems only arise if what people say isn't true. If you think dirty tricks don't happen , explain why the president tried to get the MARLBOROUGH CLUB to ditch it's president recently and if didn't it would not get the junior moto-x championships next year. What business does the MNZ president have interferring in club's activities ?

What happened to the Oceania funding this year? Last year the CEO thought fit to give the $9000 to post classics to travel to Phillip Island. I have no problem with post classics , but with respect they are not the future of the sport , wouldn't it been better helping a couple of young riders with an overseas experience instead?

What this shit about a charter? ask TVNZ about charters. They are a load of BS.Just like "Mission Statements". Enough corporate speak , MNZ is not a business it is an incorporated society and you guys are the stake holders, now do something and vote for change. Will cahnge be better ? Well hell it couldn't get much worse than it is now:rockon:

[suzuki mama]

Thank you for your comments.
The household male has pointed out him being a lawyer that as long as I stick to the facts Im on on solid ground.

He might ride a Harley but he does have his uses!!!!!!!

Fact, all the castrol sponsership money was raised by Paul Stewart and his team that meant every cent went to roadracing.
MNZ ie the CEO withdrew the 10,000 they had put in in the past citing they couldnt afford it!

Fact-in prievious years the CEO received a percentage of the sponsership money he raised -as a rider I would love someone official in MNZ to come on and tell me why and assure me this isnt still happening

Fact - I live in a democracy ,I have the right to question and to hold an opinion without being in fear of retribution if you dont like my opinion,

Fact-regretfully I am not in fear and trembling at what he who must be obeyed perceives as veiled threats of consequences should I continue to post things based on fact.

I would hate to think office staff or anyone else had so little to do that discovering my identidy was such an issue.
There are enough cans of worms floating to the surface as it is

Rest assured a very expensive QC god bless him has faithfully promised he will be first in the queue at the sports tribunal because he really loved bit in annual reports that states MNZ will do away with appeals to sports tribunal unless they see fit and the high court to protect my rights and with very reasonable fees.
I hope this puts your mind at rest ,he is as we speak devouring the annual report and I feel sure I will be continuing on with some very interesting observations isnt love wonderful :rockon:

[Ozzy27]

Yeah the voting papers arrived, little confused ,4 registered members ie have licences ,7 packs arrived...
Mine arrived Yesterday. But 2 packs arrived?? How many others have received 2?? How much would a double up cost??
Maybe they are trying to get everyone to vote twice and make all voting forms invalid or have I read to many conspiracy Novels?? :shutup::oi-grr:

[Maarty]

Mine arrived Yesterday. But 2 packs arrived?? How many others have received 2?? How much would a double up cost??
Maybe they are trying to get everyone to vote twice and make all voting forms invalid or have I read to many conspiracy Novels?? :shutup::oi-grr:

Hey Oz, can you send me on set as I have just signed up and want to make sure that I don't miss out on my vote!

Hell, I will send MNZ the cost of postage to cover the 2up!

[Grey Beard]

Jim Tuckerman has been having trouble Logging In and has asked me to post this;

For the benefit of those who don't know me and as the 200 words MNZ allowed didn't really do it.

Below are a couple of selected sections of my Full CV.

B J (Jim) Tuckerman

I have been involved with Motorcycling for over thirty years, I had done some scrambling in the Wairarapa, before moving to Wellington for work in 1970 and then became involved with the Gracefield Grand Prix in 1972.
I had an Ariel Arrow as transport in those days.

I became Chairman of the Wellington Motorcycle Grand Prix Society in 1974, and was involved in the running of the “Marlboro Series” at Gracefield. I then became heavily involved in the Hutt Valley Motorcycle Club, serving on the committee and latterly as President and was made a Life member in 1988.

While in the HVMCC Inc, I was involved with the running of such events as “Suzuki 1000” at Queen Elizabeth Park, the Mr. Motocross Series around the Hutt Valley and the North Vs South MX at Porirua, to mention a few. I was also part of the organizing group who originally formed and managed the Motocross Park at Kaitoke, north of Upper Hutt.

I was also involved in the running of the Nissan Mobil 500 from 1987 till 1994 and then took on the role of Operations Manager of the 1996 Mobil Wellington Street Race.

During the same period I served as an Assistant District Steward for the then ACU, and was actively involved in the governing side of the Sport, from club Steward through to Executive member of MNZ.

I have been involved in all forms of Road Racing from club events at Levin and Manfield, to International Series throughout the country. I have been involved in many of the different Street Circuits which have been run throughout New Zealand (Gracefield, Porirua, Masterton, Lyall Bay, Lambton Harbour, Taihape, Wanganui, Onekawa, Gisborne, Hamilton, Freeman’s Bay, Paeroa) to mention a few.

I currently owns and runs an event company (The Event Mechanics Ltd), a PR / Media company (Motorsport Network Ltd) and am in partnership in two television production companies (TeleSport NZ Ltd and Total Sport on TV Ltd)

Over the last couple of years, I have been assisting Paul Stewart with the running of the New Zealand Road Race Championships. With the support of Castrol New Zealand, the Motorcycle Distributors (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha) the Series has got bigger and better each year.

Below are just some of the events I have been involved with over the years,
Either as organiser, Clerk of the Course or Steward.

Gracefield Grand Prix
Suzuki 1000 Q E Park
Mr Motocross Series
Marlboro Series Pukekohe, Wanganui, Gracefield, Levels, Ruapuna
Junior MX Championships Moonshine
Junior MX Championships QE Park
NZ Beach Championships Peka Peka
North vs South Motocross Porirua
NZTTs Manfeild
Motocross Manfeild
Cemetery Circuit Wanganui
Porirua Grand Prix
Onekawa Grand Prix
NZ MX Championship QE Park
Castrol 6 Hour Manfeild
NZ MX Championship Wanganui
Gumboot Grand Prix Taihape
Gisborne “Battle of the Streets”
Lyall Bay Street Circuit
NZ MX GP Woodville
Lambton Harbour Two Wheeler.


In more recent times as Media Manager for MNZ and others:

NZ Road Race Champs at Teretonga, Levels, Ruapuna, Manfeild, Pukekohe
NZ MX Champs at New Plymouth, Pukekohe, Blenhiem, Rotorua, Hastings
NZ Junior MX Champs at New Plymouth, Rotorua, Mosgiel, Otorohunga


I trust this shows I have been around a little, if you have any questions do not hesitate to contact me.

VOTE FOR CHANGE

Jim Tuckerman

[Grey Beard]

Jim also asked me to post this:

WHY I AM STANDING FOR ELECTION

For too long the Board and office of MNZ has believed for them to be approached by the members was a privilege for the members.

The TIME has come for CHANGE and I believe I have the ability, the commitment and the strong support of Sponsors, the Industry and riders to provide a much needed WAKE-UP call for MNZ.

MNZ needs to listen to the concerns of its Stakeholders (the licence holders, the clubs and our support networks).

A clear decisive hand needs to be at the top, to address the areas MNZ is failing in and to bring back Confidence in the Board and MNZ as a whole.
I may not have all the answers, but I am prepared to listen and take on board any point of view.

Our SPORT is disintegrating around us and hard decisions have to be made.

I believe the running of the Sport needs to go back to Commissions from whom it has in some cases been hijacked, in order to involve the widest views in each disciplines.

MNZ is not the OFFICE in Huntly, it is NOT the BOARD, it is each and every rider, club and club member.

We need to rebuild confidence in our organisation, make the working of the Board and the Office more open and transparent and build our profile in every way open to US.

MNZ needs to go back to grassroots and concentrate on all members, look at the services it provides and better utilise the money, talents and opportunities available to US.

SO THIS IS WHY I HAVE ACCEPTED NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT.

If you have any questions my contact details are Ph 021 725 614
or email motorsportnetwork@ihug.co.nz

JIM TUCKERMAN

[Wingnut]

Mine arrived Yesterday. But 2 packs arrived?? How many others have received 2?? How much would a double up cost??
Maybe they are trying to get everyone to vote twice and make all voting forms invalid or have I read to many conspiracy Novels?? :shutup::oi-grr:

Yea I received 2 packs also. Guess that explains why they spent $60k+ on printing and stationery and a further $20k+ on postage and courier fees.:girlfight:

[Robert Taylor]

thank you for your comments.
The household male has pointed out him being a lawyer that as long as i stick to the facts im on on solid ground.

He might ride a harley but he does have his uses!!!!!!!

Fact, all the castrol sponsership money was raised by paul stewart and his team that meant every cent went to roadracing.
Mnz ie the ceo withdrew the 10,000 they had put in in the past citing they couldnt afford it!

Fact-in prievious years the ceo received a percentage of the sponsership money he raised -as a rider i would love someone official in mnz to come on and tell me why and assure me this isnt still happening

fact - i live in a democracy ,i have the right to question and to hold an opinion without being in fear of retribution if you dont like my opinion,

fact-regretfully i am not in fear and trembling at what he who must be obeyed perceives as veiled threats of consequences should i continue to post things based on fact.

I would hate to think office staff or anyone else had so little to do that discovering my identidy was such an issue.
There are enough cans of worms floating to the surface as it is

rest assured a very expensive qc god bless him has faithfully promised he will be first in the queue at the sports tribunal because he really loved bit in annual reports that states mnz will do away with appeals to sports tribunal unless they see fit and the high court to protect my rights and with very reasonable fees.
I hope this puts your mind at rest ,he is as we speak devouring the annual report and i feel sure i will be continuing on with some very interesting observations isnt love wonderful :rockon:

''you have the right to an opinion as long as it agrees with the ceo''

[ricey]

I am not on anyones side here, but the aforementioned could be construed as slanderous and if anyone decides to take offence (no, not a fence) you and this websites administrators could be taken to task over such a comment.

One needs to be thoughtful and careful before committing to writing ones thoughts. This site is neither truely anonymous as the site has your personal details, nor fleeting as all posts will be archived somewhere.

Enjoy
Keep in mind guys and girls, this site's server (as well as mine) is based in the USA, and all content here falls under US guideline, remember freedom of speach anyone?

I know for a fact that excerpts from my site as well as this site have been copied and sent to MNZ legal team to try and shut them down.

Now guess who is paying for that?

The fact is to much time is spent trying to shut us up, rather than concentrating on the real issues of trying to get this right.

Over the past few years my images have been used by MNZ to promote the NZ MX Nats in the race programs, I have now been told by PP that because of my site and it's content that that may not happen in the future.

Now we are not talking about a huge amount of money here, however I never make back what I spend each year to get to these events to help promote the sport.

It is time for a change, and that change will come.

[BJT666]

Morning all,

I have finally got logged on.

So lets start the day with a laugh.

My call sign is BJT666, on another site it has a space between BJT and 666.

Brain in neutral last night I registered just as BJT666 no space, so every time I tried to log on the system rejected me.

I was beginning to yell and scream but I have worked it out.

So firstly thanks Grey Beard for posting my stuff last night.

If anyone has any questions about the MNZ Elections do not hesitate to contact me.
Ph 021 725 614
email motorsportnetwork@ihug.co.nz

[BJT666]

Bill Grice Endorses Jim Tuckerman for President of MNZ

24 April 2009

JIM TUCKERMAN

When I was told Jim planned to put his name forward for the position of President of Motorcycling New Zealand my initial reaction was “Great, that’s just what MNZ needs, but will enough of the silent majority make the effort to show their support?”
I don’t know whether they will, or not, that is something we will find out in due course, but they should, because MNZ needs change.

I have known Jim for a very long time and had many dealings with him in my roles as CEO of Suzuki New Zealand and Chairman of the New Zealand Motorcycle Distributors - MIA. During that time we have had many discussions on all sorts of motorcycle based subjects. We agree on a lot of things, we disagree on some, but we always respect each other’s point of view, and I admire his talent. In all my contacts with Jim his sole mission has been to achieve a satisfactory outcome to whatever project he is involved with. As stated we don’t always agree, and fact sometimes we have been known to argue at considerable length but with the clear objective of achieving the best outcome.

I have absolutely no doubt Jim has the ability, drive and tenacity to do an excellent job in the Presidents role. He doesn’t suffer fools, and he will challenge any comments he disagrees with, no matter who makes them. But equally he is always prepared to listen to and accept sound advice, irrespective of who offers it.
MNZ is an organisation that needs strong leadership. It is subject to the influences of many of the “personalities” within the sport, many of whom have put in considerable time and effort over the years but who now should recognise the need for new leadership – strong leadership – even contentious leadership.

Jim will provide that leadership and he will work hard for the betterment of the sport. There shouldn’t be any place for apathy within the MNZ. It is an Association that needs dedicated hard working members. And the leaders should set the examples for all to follow. Another valuable strength of Jim’s is he keeps personalities right out of any discussion, and no matter how contentious it may become he focuses solely only on the subject matter. Sadly this appears to be something many members within of the MNZ are not able to do with any degree of success. And it is a very necessary attribute in any leader.

MNZ needs new direction, Jim can deliver that. I fully endorse him and support his bid for President.

Bill Grice
Chief Executive Officer – Suzuki New Zealand Limited
Chairman – New Zealand Motorcycle Distributors Division of MIA

[Shaun]

Fantastic support there from Bill @ Suzuki JIM

You have my vote for sure

[k14]

Fantastic support there from Bill @ Suzuki JIM

You have my vote for sure
Yeah my thoughts exactly. That is a very big show of support. Got my vote for sure. *Goes to post office* :)

[Dodgy]

Mmm, I remember a lot or ranting and raving from Jim on another website and then effectively blocked free speech and shut it down. Not to mention the Cemetery Circuit debacle one year..

Be careful that you are not replacing one a.hole with another - something that politicians also find convenient is our propensity to quickly forget a woeful track record

[Shaun]

Mmm, I remember a lot or ranting and raving from Jim on another website and then effectively blocked free speech and shut it down. Not to mention the Cemetery Circuit debacle one year..

Be careful that you are not replacing one a.hole with another - something that politicians also find convenient is our propensity to quickly forget a woeful track record



We can all make mistakes dude!

Do you have another person in mind that has the same backing from the CEO of Suzuki NZ

[fossil]

On contacting was told several days ago they would be out on 15th of this month ,
Ours havnt arrived yet but have been rung and told some in club have.
It appears but will wait to really comment till i see them that initial impressions are -
1 - Creative accounting again
2- Why has Brian Davidsons name been left out of list of officials for second year.
3- Castrol actually paid serious money for Road racing and have the smallest thank you -is it because road race commisioner arranged the sponsorship himself and pp couldnt get a percentage for himself like other years
4-lots of comment about changing the dealing with disputes and code of conduct violations really not waving a brief case at a rider and common sense appeals to me
5-Evidently neither the President nor the Ceo could bring themselves to acknowledge Paul Stewarts contribution to our sport
6-everyone look at who spent what in expenses
and mind boggling but will relie on seeing it myself ,did we really spend 300k+
on staff salaries .

Dont waste your vote,if we want change and accountability in the North Island vote for Carmen Davidson for the offroad member(yes road race license holders can vote for off road) and Jim Tuckerman for President,
In the South Island Kevin Goddard is elected unopposed for On Road and vote Jim Tuckerman for President. The Off road people are just as pissed with whats been going on.Check it out on www.holeshot.co.nz
ps; 3 managers for 3 subordinate staff,who are they kidding?

[scracha]

I know for a fact that excerpts from my site as well as this site have been copied and sent to MNZ legal team to try and shut them down.


The fact that MNZ has a "legal team" speaks volumes. Don't these idiots know that for every site they shut down, another 10 pop up due to the free advertising.

I still think the best course of action is to ditch MNZ. Sometimes things get too broken to fix.

[916Senna]

I was more than a little bit bemused by the whole mail out pack...yes I got 2 as well, (imagine if the local TA did that for a by-election)

1. What century do these folks live in...in the minutes of the 08 meeting calling each other Mr or Mrs so and so, jeez get with the 80's. oh that's right its 2009.

2. Additionally it is easy to see why the dirt people get a bigger plug; they have a representative commissioner for, Motorcross, Cross Country, Enduro, and ATV, all essentially the same bikes (off-road!), Road boys/girls get 1 so do speedway and trials. There is no category for road sidecar so why ATV?
Also as an avid Motard racer we have no representation, and no national championship title, even though there are separate rules for our bikes and an there is even an official FIM world championship, go figure.

3. Whilst I agree there needs to be a way to make appeals and disciplinary actions, the NZ court system is not the correct forum. We need to look at other codes like football, rugby etc the courts are the last resort in any sport, if every hearing went to court we could eventually find ourselves being charged with causing an accident and paying for the other guys bike damage! As this was discussed at the 2008 meeting looking at setting up a disciplinary committee i don't recall seeing it being done, it will no doubt be discussed again this year and the next....

[scott411]

ok senna ill answer some of your questions,

ATV's have their own comissioner since they run there own events, they do not run with other forms that much, where as sidecars run with road race events so it makes sense to have the comissioner together,

Cross country/ enduro and mx are very removed from each other in terms of events, and the number of riders of off road is alot bigger than road race,

if you have a look at the number of liceinced events, mx had 271 by its self, road race had 71 and buckets had 29, yet the off road riders only get the same representation as the road guys, (2 baord members each)

the reason why their is no supermotard NZ champs is because no one has applied to run it, the rules are there ready to go, supermotar come under the road race comissioner, and they tried to appoint a supermotard commissiner but no one would do it,

[suzuki mama]

dodgy,sounds like you may have a personal axe to grind,
Bill grice is as well as being CEO
of Suzuki is the current head of the importers Association . for me reading this endorsement from a man who it is apparrent knows Jim way better than you do says it all, he has the support of an Industry run by some very astute Buisnessmen,
No one has ever claimed that JT is a saint ,in fact talking to someone today who has worked for him was told he can be real hard arsed when a situation calls for it ,but get down on your luck or need a hand and hes first in the queue to give help.
Get over your problem dodgy Jim to many of us has proved when the going gets tough hes there,
4 votes went his way today

ps one thing he doesnt have is a woeful record, unlike some! debacle at wanganui would this be when you didnt get your own way perhaps or when the CEO wanted to to take a racing incident and turn it into another nightmare and was told rumour has it by jt he worked for wanganui ,it was a racing incident was dealt with on the day and the CEO had no juristiction AS HE CLEARLY ACCORDING TO OUR CONSTITUTION DOES NOT

ps

[916Senna]

fair call but is it not the job of MNZ to organize the national championship and appoint a club to run each event of the series.

On another note....can we get rid of that F-wit Phil Dark, he does nothing for motor sport commentary. (I realize he is not part of MNZ)

[scott411]

simple fact is that no club applied for it, so it was not allocated, with out someone to run it they are hand tied,

on the motard issue i here there will be a proper motrad track (with dirt) built in the carpark at taupo racetrack,

[suzuki mama]

fair call but is it not the job of MNZ to organize the national championship and appoint a club to run each event of the series.

On another note....can we get rid of that F-wit Phil Dark, he does nothing for motor sport commentary. (I realize he is not part of MNZ)

WELL OBVIOUSLY sky , Prime tv1 tv3 and the V8S DISAGREE WITH YOU
Phil is one of the best . .>liked and most repected commentators around but they only go on audience ratings and returns to sponsers from commentaries so what would they know, a dam sight more than you i think nothing personal here just an observation
Great news thought the rumour mill has it turbo tonsils Neil Ritchie is paeroas new commentator

[916Senna]

What would i know i am just a critical consumer of motorsport, I would rather watch it without his constant cliches and mixed metaphors, if i could turn the sound off I would but then i wouldn't hear the engines and tyres.

[The Chow]

WELL OBVIOUSLY sky , Prime tv1 tv3 and the V8S DISAGREE WITH YOU
Phil is one of the best . .>liked and most repected commentators around but they only go on audience ratings and returns to sponsers from commentaries so what would they know, a dam sight more than you i think nothing personal here just an observation
Great news thought the rumour mill has it turbo tonsils Neil Ritchie is paeroas new commentator

Great news about Neil getting the job of commentator , the other guy is just a bitter and twisted individual , who needs to get a life.

As for JT , i have experienced all sides of his personality and still regard him as a great friend. Several years ago I had a few issues in my life , who was there to give me a job and helping hand? , JT. Sure he can be out spoken to the point of sometimes appearing rude , but rest assured under that gruff exterior their is a straight shooter , who won't take any shit and won't back down when hard issues arise. The man has experience no question and it is time for it to be used to help motorcycling in this country.

[Dodgy]

Well, I do not have an axe to grind with JT, but perhaps consider this...

Someone in the industry has raised their hand and endorsed a person to be the future CEO. Fair enough. Did the existing CEO receive a celebrity endorsement as well? - most likely - and everybody (sweeping statement) seems to want him out.

Is replacing one 'hard arsed' personality with another 'hard arsed' personality whom at the moment is saying the things you like the sound of - a good idea?

Do you want a change agent or similar behaviours? Hard arsed and blinkered CEOs are great when you agree with their tactics, but it sounds to me the main concerns (amongst others) about MNZ leadership at the moment seem to be:

Lack of democratic process
Lack of transparency

Would it not be better to ask oneself if the current woes are the result of a CEO and/or the result of an organisation that requires a cultural change?

To be an effective CEO requires quite a bit more than some industry endorsement. How do you want MNZ to be run? How would you define the idea culture of the organisation? What sort of vision and skill sets would a future CEO require inorder to deliver on this?

[The Chow]

WELL OBVIOUSLY sky , Prime tv1 tv3 and the V8S DISAGREE WITH YOU
Phil is one of the best . .>liked and most repected commentators around but they only go on audience ratings and returns to sponsers from commentaries so what would they know, a dam sight more than you i think nothing personal here just an observation
Great news thought the rumour mill has it turbo tonsils Neil Ritchie is paeroas new commentator

Re: Phil Dark
If you know of anyone else , please tell me. Having done TV and race track commentary over the last season myself, it is not easy I can tell you that's for sure and boy do you get abuse if you name someone or something wrong?, and by the way Phil also has another commentator when the TV coverage is shown who happens to be MNZ's CEO. So ask him how easy it is.:beer:

[The Chow]

Well, I do not have an axe to grind with JT, but perhaps consider this...

Someone in the industry has raised their hand and endorsed a person to be the future CEO. Fair enough. Did the existing CEO receive a celebrity endorsement as well? - most likely - and everybody (sweeping statement) seems to want him out.

Is replacing one 'hard arsed' personality with another 'hard arsed' personality whom at the moment is saying the things you like the sound of - a good idea?

Do you want a change agent or similar behaviours? Hard arsed and blinkered CEOs are great when you agree with their tactics, but it sounds to me the main concerns (amongst others) about MNZ leadership at the moment seem to be:

Lack of democratic process
Lack of transparency

Would it not be better to ask oneself if the current woes are the result of a CEO and/or the result of an organisation that requires a cultural change?

To be an effective CEO requires quite a bit more than some industry endorsement. How do you want MNZ to be run? How would you define the idea culture of the organisation? What sort of vision and skill sets would a future CEO require inorder to deliver on this?

The position JT is after is for President(unpaid position) not CEO (paid Postion).

[suzuki mama]

Dodgy , if you dont have an axe to grind im madonna!!

Where have you been !the Ceo is a paid position and id lay money there would be no celebrity endorsement for the current encumbent,bet that causes some mirth in the board room at Suzuki!

READ OTHER THREADS ON THIS FORUM OR GO TO HOLESHOT,
jt has posted his reasons for standing and surprise he wants a more democratic process more openess and transparency and to adhere to the constitution ,wouldnt that be a change !

Before you shoot your self in the foot even further give him a ring or email him and you might just be surprised ,or you can go on in your blinkered fashion ,but i think you will find that really good reasons are behind the moves for change

[Robert Taylor]

Dodgy , if you dont have an axe to grind im madonna!!

Where have you been !the Ceo is a paid position and id lay money there would be no celebrity endorsement for the current encumbent,bet that causes some mirth in the board room at Suzuki!

READ OTHER THREADS ON THIS FORUM OR GO TO HOLESHOT,
jt has posted his reasons for standing and surprise he wants a more democratic process more openess and transparency and to adhere to the constitution ,wouldnt that be a change !

Before you shoot your self in the foot even further give him a ring or email him and you might just be surprised ,or you can go on in your blinkered fashion ,but i think you will find that really good reasons are behind the moves for change
Lets not also forget that JT as President would in no way be subservient to the CEO, as appears to be the case with the present incumbent. JT rocks!

[fossil]

Where are the voting papers? why cant we vote on line, all those people in office surely someone knows where a post box is!

last year we were told they were sent out by a direct mailing firm, so apparently there is no one in office capable of collating this and getting it out to members on time.

or is the late arrival just another sneaky plot to keep voting fiqures low.?

in years gone by repected life members oversaw voting ,you could do by mail and at AGM AND VOTES CAST WERE VERIFIED.
ANY OTHER CLUB CONSIDERING THIS SHOULD BE DONE AT AGM AND THE VOTES NOT SIMPLY DESTROYED After all they are no longer secret as your rider number on them .
How legal is that?

This would remove lingering doubts some of us have over the election process in recent years.

given the constant interference by Huntly and some in our club are of the opinion the office thinks its MNZ AND NOT THE MEMBERS,

inTHINGS THE OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE INTERFERING WITH.the feeling is the watch word of this AGM should be.
putting things right ,openess and honesty


I have been told of people not recieving voting papers or having multiple packs turn up.
I am concerned that with this inefficient and inept mail out to members (therefore voters) it may result in a null invoid vote, especially when the momentum is for change, this would be cop out.
The voting auditor also does accounting work for MNZ (reffered to in the Presidents report) .An independant party? as per the Constitution.

[Tony.OK]

I received 2 lots of everything.......................if someone didn't receive any papers at all I can send a copy or fill 1 in for you.

Or print these pages back to back to form just the 1 page:2thumbsup

[scracha]

I received 2 lots of everything.......................if someone didn't receive any papers at all I can send a copy or fill 1 in for you.

Or print these pages back to back to form just the 1 page:2thumbsup


Thanks Tony. Yet again I'd be in the dark were it not for this forum. As yet I've still had fark all from them

[scracha]

A hell of a lot of us used their online login thingie to get our race licenses....why couldn't that system be extended for the voting?

WARNING...DO NOT USE THE PDF FORMS. YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT

Oh wait a minute..."Original forms only will be accepted; photocopies and non originals will not be counted except with the prior written consent of the CEO"

WHY THE HELL NOT? They've got our MNZ number on there so what difference does it make that they're photocopied. Time to get on the blower to Huntly. Maybe that's why half the fork got 2 sets of papers.....so they could pass a copy onto half the members who didn't get theirs.

[Biggles08]

I got two sets too....or is it too sets two?!?!

[BJT666]

Neil Ritchie Endorses Jim Tuckerman

26/04/09

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

I wish to endorse the nomination of Jim Tuckerman for President of Motorcycling New Zealand.

I have known Jim for over 25 years through his commitment to motorcycle sport. Jim stood out from other motorcycle workers when I first met him, when he was assisting his club with a motocross event yet he was from the road racing section of the club. This is a rare trait in our sport and made Jim stand out amongst his peers.

Since then I have worked with Jim extensively and witnessed his huge contribution to our sport. Some of my highlights of Jim’s professionalism include – media, TV coverage, safety, stewardship, track construction, hospitality, communication, riders support, riders briefing, event presentation and marketing. It would be fair to say there is no one else in our MNZ family that has contributed to our sport across such a wide variety of activities. His latest role in promoting the Castrol Power 1 Superbike Championships has driven this series to a very high standard that we have not witnessed in the sport for many years.

I acknowledge Jim for his forthright approach to all matters which are very refreshing in an era of PC correctness. His ability to make a decision and the commitment he puts behind the decision are undisputable.

Jim is very approachable and an excellent sounding board for all thoughts and ideas. You have not considered all options until you have talked to Jim. He also has immense respect for championing the cause of the little guy. He is a true rider’s advocate.

I can sincerely say I would trust Jim to the end of the world. He is a person who I can call a mate and enjoy his company. It should not be forgotten that Jim is ably supported by his lovely wife Kathy who has also been a great supporter for MNZ and our motorcycling family.

I firmly encourage your vote to support Jim in becoming President of MNZ.

Yours sincerely

Neil Ritchie

Friend of Motorcycling.

[Tony.OK]

A hell of a lot of us used their online login thingie to get our race licenses....why couldn't that system be extended for the voting?

Too simple

Oh wait a minute..."Original forms only will be accepted; photocopies and non originals will not be counted except with the prior written consent of the CEO"

WHY THE HELL NOT? They've got our MNZ number on there so what difference does it make that they're photocopied.

They don't have any member numbers on 'em.

[scracha]

They don't have any member numbers on 'em.
They do once we fill in the bit on the form wot sez, MNZ number.

So I get a letter today, blah blah we have received your photocopied voting form. As per MNZ constitudion ...blah blah... must be original form....... Blah blah. Phone Paul Pavletich (CEO) blah blah or email


Now you'd have thought they'd have just sent me the original voting form along with the letter :whistle:

[BJT666]

They do once we fill in the bit on the form wot sez, MNZ number.

So I get a letter today, blah blah we have received your photocopied voting form. As per MNZ constitudion ...blah blah... must be original form....... Blah blah. Phone Paul Pavletich (CEO) blah blah or email


Now you'd have thought they'd have just sent me the original voting form along with the letter :whistle:


scracha,

I am very interested that you have received a letter regarding your photocopied Voting Form.

Firstly, who was the letter from and what was the date on the letter

Jim Tuckerman

[scracha]

Due where it's due. Emailed Paul Pav and got a pretty fast response saying OK for the photocopied one.

[kawasaki king]

bit strange though that you got a letter from someone in first place,

if it was office ,why didnt they just send you right forms in first place,
cant have been from the voting lady she wouldnt have had your address, shes supposed to be impartial,so vote would have just been counted as an incorrect one , or is the office getting told hows the votings going ?