Very disappointed with attendance of Enduro at Pukekohe [Archive]

Toot Toot

25th April 2009, 22:52

So I went to day one of the AMCC Endurance race meeting at Pukekohe today. There were hardly any bikes there, I counted 12 spectators.
There are four bikes entered in Formula Auckland....one of them cross entered from Formula 2.
Formula 2 has 3 bikes entered.
What the hell is going on?? Why is no one interested in doing this??
Chris Costello said that the club was asked to put on an endurance event so they have and now no one has supported it.
I am very dissapointed in the racing fraternity for not showing up to this event, its disgusting, you guys (and girls) should be ashamed of yourselves. AMCC has lost a lot of money this weekend because YOU guys asked them to put on an event like this. Needless to say it is the last one.
Enjoy your weekend.

smoky

25th April 2009, 23:11

I am very dissapointed in the racing fraternity for not showing up to this event, its disgusting, you guys (and girls) should be ashamed of yourselves.
Why come on KB and rant and rave like twit at everybody? Are you addressing ALL peoples in the racing fraternity? What … car racing as well, just bikes, or just certain bike riders or MX – whom?
I’ve never even heard of Enduro at Puke as a form of racing (that’s why looked at the thread – thought I might learn something) let alone seen any advertising for it
You would do better addressing your rant to the correct audience

Chris Costello said that the club was asked to put on an endurance event so they have and now no one has supported it.

So who asked the club to put it on? Were they there? shouldn't your rant be addressed to them? Not everyone?

Taz

25th April 2009, 23:19

:corn::corn::corn::corn::corn:

It's only road racing. No one cares about road racing. I didn't ask for it to be put on either..........

cowboyz

25th April 2009, 23:19

being the nature of kb it is only addressed to you if you find it relevent.

In saying that. This is the first I have heard from or about the event. Looks like Advertising was lacking but then again, I wouldnt have gone anyhow.

HDTboy

26th April 2009, 00:09

Is there a 300km endurance race on? As a mainstream consumer I was not aware

Gremlin

26th April 2009, 00:35

long distance races are tomorrow (well, by the time... today).

Saturday was the practising and normal length races, the long ones are on Sunday.

Too busy today, but looks like I'm in for a quiet day of marshalling on Sunday...

Toot Toot

26th April 2009, 06:38

Why come on KB and rant and rave like twit at everybody? Are you addressing ALL peoples in the racing fraternity? What … car racing as well, just bikes, or just certain bike riders or MX – whom?
I’ve never even heard of Enduro at Puke as a form of racing (that’s why looked at the thread – thought I might learn something) let alone seen any advertising for it
You would do better addressing your rant to the correct audience

So who asked the club to put it on? Were they there? shouldn't your rant be addressed to them? Not everyone?
Are you retarded mate? Do you think I would put something on here if it was a car meeting?? It's at Pukekohe held by AMCC as mentioned in first post so of course it is motorcycle road racing. And it is under the "Racing" threads so it is clearly addressed to its target audience.

Toot Toot

26th April 2009, 06:41

Is there a 300km endurance race on? As a mainstream consumer I was not aware

Yes Gav, its on today, incorporating a round of the AMCC club championships. Riff Raff is going for work so you cant tell me the LG Superbike manager didnt know about it...hence you should have been aware...

Not implying the LG bikes should have been there, just that they knew about it so then you should have too.

Finn

26th April 2009, 07:08

Lest I forgot.

White trash

26th April 2009, 07:25

I knew about it, (albeit the only formal notification was from an email received Monday) and the LG team would have been in attendance.

However, one of our riders wives selfishly went and gave birth to their first daughter early. For some reason he feels his new family is a little more important. My sincere apologies to AMCC, I'll ensure Ed and Soan are flogged to within an inch of their lives. Wont happen again.

And mate, to imply GAv should have known of an event because I did is a little off. The man sevices our bikes, not races them. Funnily enough we don't run all our race calanders past him for prior approval.

GIXser

26th April 2009, 07:26

Yes Gav, its on today, incorporating a round of the AMCC club championships. Riff Raff is going for work so you cant tell me the LG Superbike manager didnt know about it...hence you should have been aware...

Not implying the LG bikes should have been there, just that they knew about it so then you should have too.

We (the LG superbikes) had best intention of supporting it... but a couple of things happenend in between, sloans partner had a baby a few days ago, and the bikes were far from ready to enter,... its just a timing thing for us..

edit... ya beat me to it Dalton..

White trash

26th April 2009, 07:28

Consider yourself flogged Rotteveel. Shoulda fucken been there anyway.

You got any beer? MotoGP's on at 14:00.

sidecar bob

26th April 2009, 07:28

Instead of havin a fuckin rant at us, maybe AMCC or MNZ need to look in house.
As a licenced competitor with equipment suitable for such an event & an ex endurance racer, one would think that maybe they might have mailed out entry forms to possible participants.
Nope, it would seem easier to hope like hell that the kettle drums will take care of the advertising, & when they dont, have a fuckin yell at the competitors for their apathy.
Anyone that was at riders briefing at Paeroa this year will be familiar with the drill. It seems to be AMCC's modus operandi.
The BADD 3 hour Endurance Race that Andy Scrivener put on at Taupo on the 29th Dec attracted a large field because people south of the Bombay Hills actually found out about it, & will most definitely go ahead again.

GIXser

26th April 2009, 07:33

Consider yourself flogged Rotteveel. Shoulda fucken been there anyway.

You got any beer? MotoGP's on at 14:00.

Except for the fact that im nearly divorced cos i have been at bike related events every weekend since december 26, 08..

Helll Yeahhhhh i got beers... come and bring the whanau"

sidecar bob

26th April 2009, 07:41

Except for the fact that im nearly divorced cos i have been at bike related events every weekend since december 26, 08..

I fixed that by hooking up with an incredible young lady that was competing at all those events completely independently of me. Makes life easy, and saves gas.
I highly reccomend it

Racey Rider

26th April 2009, 07:43

GIXser

26th April 2009, 07:44

I fixed that by hooking up with an incredible young lady that was competing at all those events completely independently of me. Makes life easy, and saves gas.
I highly reccomend it

hang on ill run it by my missus..............:shifty:

White trash

26th April 2009, 07:48

Except for the fact that im nearly divorced cos i have been at bike related events every weekend since december 26, 08..

Helll Yeahhhhh i got beers... come and bring the whanau"
Nahhh, that wont work. Sue's got the friggen car at Puke'. With the car seat in it :(

Devil

26th April 2009, 08:36

Hrm, didn't know about it.

Their advertising sucks.

Kiwi Graham

26th April 2009, 08:38

Helps to advertise eh!
Oh by the way its an endurance event not an enduro event. Different bikes different surface etc.
Better advised to direct the grief at the people resposible than racers.

sinfull

26th April 2009, 09:03

Instead of havin a fuckin rant at us, maybe AMCC or MNZ need to look in house.
As a licenced competitor with equipment suitable for such an event & an ex endurance racer, one would think that maybe they might have mailed out entry forms to possible participants.
.

I take it then that it is a new event, that yes, should have been pushed, promoted, advertised to turn it into an "event" through the MNZ mail list perhaps !
Rather than mmm from memory one thread i read about it on here,
Which by chance was started by Sloan !

Not that i would have travelled up for it, shit i can hardly manage 6 laps let alone an endurance race ! i'm just bored and having an enduro of my own "how long i can mope around cause of the lack of events that happen down this end of the country"

sidecar bob

26th April 2009, 09:15

sinfull

26th April 2009, 09:44

Reading the word 'Enduro', made me automaticaly think 'Dirt bikes' for some reason. Only after reading what the rant was about did I click it was road racing.
Just a thought for future marketing.

Racey
Mmmm and only after seeing your post, did i read it ! Yeah bit of a slip up there with the word enduro (had seen that) but then it wasn't up to Kittytamer to advertise it at all either, good on him for even putting something up about it ! But i'd say alot of road racers wouldn't have gone any further !

But after reading the format, i will retract what i said in an earlier post and say that if i had of known it was more than just an endurance race (as i thought by reading the one and only thread posted on here about it)
I would have prolly attended that bloody meeting, would have been fun to do a two dayer up there ! Be even more fun if i had an F2 as well as the speed three !

Shaun

26th April 2009, 12:29

Hope this dissaster helps keep more people out of hospital and wheel chairs

Pukekohe is dam DANGEROUS for a closed track

NOTHING AGAINST THE AMCC WITH THIS STATEMENT

scrivy

26th April 2009, 13:07

The average competitor would need at least 10 weeks advance notice for such an event. There is the matter of tyres, pit crew, sponsors, equipment, fitness, date clashes, bike prep, cashflow, etc etc etc.

Pit crew - your are the crew bob,
Sponsors - WTF??? who, what?,
Equipment - you bragging again??,
Fitness - drinking 'Ken' does not make you fit Bob... how many times......,
Date clashes - Ok, we all know you're a sick puppy....., hee hee....,
Bike prep - are you serious - YOU???? Mr unpreparation....,
Cashflow - Well, she is moving in with you now....... save on phone sex.....

:rolleyes::first:

smoky

26th April 2009, 13:41

Are you retarded mate? Do you think I would put something on here if it was a car meeting?? It's at Pukekohe held by AMCC as mentioned in first post so of course it is motorcycle road racing. And it is under the "Racing" threads so it is clearly addressed to its target audience.

So the people who race or follow the AMCC; are 'All people in the racing fraternity'?
Your obviously not sharp enough understand what I was saying - never mind - as you were.
:Pokey:

I’ve never even heard of Enduro at Puke as a form of racing (that’s why looked at the thread – thought I might learn something) ?

cowpoos

26th April 2009, 13:41

cowpoos

26th April 2009, 13:43

I think AMCC need to talk to the other main road race clubs in NZ that get massive, massive rider turnout!!

Because its quite obvious that something just ain't right....especially as auckland has the highest population base in NZ.

Just out of interest...are you still charging spectator at the gates?
and the taupo road race endurance event was a sucsess...maybe you should as Scrivy how he and his crew does it??

scrivy

26th April 2009, 14:13

and the taupo road race endurance event was a sucsess...maybe you should as Scrivy how he and his crew does it??

Poos, Jos Mason from B.A.D.D. is making this event a huge one this year!
Stay tuned!! :headbang::first::cool:

Biggles08

26th April 2009, 14:14

and the taupo road race endurance event was a sucsess...maybe you should as Scrivy how he and his crew does it??

They do it by actually "organizing" themselves and understanding what competitors/spectators want.

I went to Puke yesterday and was talking to the racers all of whom had little positive remarks to make about AMCC. One guy in paticular who I won't identify had his times screwed up for the second AMCC run event in a row and ended up further back on the grid of clubmans than he should have. Its bullshit like this that keeps me from signing up for AMCC races and I would imagine I'm not the only one. Finaly racers are sick of putting up with crap and are now just not supporting AMCC run events. I for one am saving my hard earned dollars for the VMCC winter series...I'm looking forward to seeing how they run their club races in comparison.

Oh and Toot_toot...I never asked for the endurance race to be put on so you whining at me about not showing up is a waste of time. instead of abusing those whom you wish to entice into entering races, why not "listen" to why racers didn't support it.

Kiwi Graham

26th April 2009, 15:38

Just out of interest...are you still charging spectator at the gates?

Yep $10.

Today was a crash fest! 8 bikes down in the 45 minute endurance event 6 of them at Castrol.... bloody drifters!

Big wait for a persistant drizzly period to pass and a revised programme got us started in terrible conditions.

A few hard core spectators stuck it out, Paul Pav did his best with his chatter and reminiscing.

Had to leave early for the Mrs to go to work, my little un loved it though, especially the bit where he made little boats to float down the rivers of water running everywhere.

FROSTY

26th April 2009, 15:53

Guys AMCC even more than MNZ is made up of PEOPLE.
If you want change in the way AMCC is run and the events are run then please DO IT.
It really is that simple.

Biggles08

26th April 2009, 16:45

Guys AMCC even more than MNZ is made up of PEOPLE.
If you want change in the way AMCC is run and the events are run then please DO IT.
It really is that simple.

I do realize this Frosty and don't get me wrong....I'm sure there are good people who work their butts off for the club and I appreciate this...my problem is aimed more at the higher ranks in the club...the apparent lack of appreciation the leaders of the Club have for its members....paying members. The strength of any club is in its members...I really have no axe to grind and I am ONLY going on my personal experience with AMCC.

Like I have said before...I would rather race in a PMCC or VMCC race meet any day based mainly on one fact alone....they make it compulsory to have a transponder....makes a massive difference to how smooth a race day runs...FACT. It seems there is a personal grievence between AMCC officials and those that hire out the transponders...pathetic excuses were used in defence of why they were not used through the AMCC summer series and thats why I won't race in this series.... below average IMHO.

Prof - R

26th April 2009, 16:50

well i must say a job well done to the amcc for a good weekend sadly the weather was the greatest but did have a good weekend out

FROSTY

26th April 2009, 16:58

I.my problem is aimed more at the higher ranks in the club...the apparent lack of appreciation the leaders of the Club have for its members..
Mate Im not having a go here but there are no "high ups" Just a bunch of guys n gals with a love of our sport. Why not head on in and see if you can help sort out the transponder issue?
Incidently mate I think the truth re transponders is that Tim is based in the welly region. Travelling to dorkland is a pain in the ass for him. Don't quote me here cos I'm relying on my piss poor memory

Actually reminds me --its a question I need to ask

scracha

26th April 2009, 17:01

event, its disgusting, you guys (and girls) should be ashamed of yourselves. AMCC has lost a lot of money this weekend because YOU guys asked them to put on an event like this. Needless to say it is the last

Fuck off mate...no offence like. I never asked them to put this event on. Assuming I'd even heard this event was on, I'm not omnipotent and I couldn't be there because as usual MNZ sanctioned two events on the same day (Hamilton hill climb thingie). Finally, I certainly won't be racing at Pukekohe as it's too dangerous.

I trust you were racing there.

Biggles08

26th April 2009, 17:15

Mate Im not having a go here but there are no "high ups" Just a bunch of guys n gals with a love of our sport. Why not head on in and see if you can help sort out the transponder issue?

help sort it out??? I did go in there and talk to 'someone' about it at one A.R.T theory night and it was laughed away as too expensive! This is where I got the idea this guy you talk about "Tim" was not his favorite person. "someone" then went on about how much better AMCC was than PMCC!? This was my very first dealing with AMCC too and I was shocked at the unprofessional attitude I received and went away with very little respect for 'someone.'

Incidently mate I think the truth re transponders is that Tim is based in the welly region. Travelling to dorkland is a pain in the ass for him. Don't quote me here cos I'm relying on my piss poor memory

Yes this is true but I was told they had a price from 'Tim' and it was going to cost an extra $10 per day for riders and that they wouldn't pay that! Who told him this I wonder...not me... I'm a rider and I would....in fact I'm now not racing AMCC events because of this very issue!

Actually reminds me --its a question I need to ask Hopefully you will have more luck than I did :-)

Toot Toot

26th April 2009, 18:31

OK so anyway, when I was there on Saturday I was dissapointed, as my rant above shows. However after reading some of the posts here I see why there was a poor turnout. Chris was asked today what advertising he done.. his answer.. None! So they really only have themselves to blame I guess.
I am not a racer, nor a member of AMCC, but certainly work closely with them. I also have been to a lot of PMCC meetings and see the differance in attitude and see why they are being more succesful each winter.
I guess the main problem was lack of advertising but there seems to be an undertone of disdain from AMCC events.
This thread was not meant to offend anyone, just try and find out what the issues were surrounding the low attendance, I guess I now now.

Jimmy for fuk sake bro, I thought you and Gav were a tight as team, and I assumed he woulda known about the racing.
Congrats to Sloan on the new arrival.

White trash

26th April 2009, 19:07

Fuck off brother, I stay as clear of Gav as possible. Everytime I get within six feet of him he tries to stick his pee pee in my ear.

That's sexual harrasment that is.........

White trash

26th April 2009, 19:11

. I'm a rider and I would....in fact I'm now not racing AMCC events because of this very issue!

You wont race an AMCC event because they don't run transponders? That's a bit gay. How often have you finished a race so closely to another racer that you've needed a transponder to tell you who was in front?

cowpoos

26th April 2009, 19:20

Chris Costello was asked today what advertising he done.. his answer.. None! So they really only have themselves to blame I guess.

Hmmmm....I hope he takes the blame for the large loss AMCC members have to stomach!!

cowpoos

26th April 2009, 19:22

Yep $10.

Fucking rip off!! any other club in NZ charge spectators for club rounds??

Its a kin to amateur club rugby charging spectators to watch...it doesn't happen!!

FROSTY

27th April 2009, 09:16

Fucking rip off!! any other club in NZ charge spectators for club rounds??

Its a kin to amateur club rugby charging spectators to watch...it doesn't happen!!
Poos sorry dude it wasn't soposed to be a "club" round. It was soposed to be something pretty darned impressive. Harking back to the "good" old days of the castrol 6 hour.

Guys AGAIN there is no doubt that the question was asked of AMCC and they responded by offering the event as requested.
Perhaps looking back at what went wrong and what went right should be looked at in a positive manner.

I for one accept some responsibility I got an e mail but disregarded it instead of shouting out to the masses of KB that the event was happening.

boomer

27th April 2009, 09:24

Fucking rip off!! any other club in NZ charge spectators for club rounds??

Its a kin to amateur club rugby charging spectators to watch...it doesn't happen!!

Coming from the UK.. it pains me to pay for teh NZSBK rounds, never mind a club fixture :crybaby:

Genestho

27th April 2009, 09:36

Poos, Jos Mason from B.A.D.D. is making this event a huge one this year!
Stay tuned!! :headbang::first::cool:

Thanks Dude, but yea-nah, hangon...it's not just me!!!!
As I see it, the "bricks and mortar" is every single person that attends in whichever capacityl.
To organise an event doesn't take just one person or any one thing to make these things happen.
Last year, or this year won't "go off" without attention to detail, in many areas.
YOU know that Scrivinator!

It's a melting pot of a good organising crew, comraderie, thinking a little outside the square Marketing

Personally - This is a big one - Everyone on the same page - The love of something beyond any personal agendas...and the desire to give something back. Passion.

Competitors/Pit Crews
Spectators

You can only get these two major factors, from marketing/advertising the event...

And like Frosty said here, to learn what went wrong, or what could've been better...for next time round!

Biggles08

27th April 2009, 10:30

You wont race an AMCC event because they don't run transponders? That's a bit gay. How often have you finished a race so closely to another racer that you've needed a transponder to tell you who was in front?

Its not for that reason WT...its for the attitude shown at a good suggestion AND the poor form we continually get because they ignore their members and don't run (or didn't for the summer series) transponders. I was talking to a bloke this weekend who for the second AMCC meeting in a row had his position on the starting grid fucked up because they got his qualifying times wrong! In round two there were racers who had DNS next to their names after races when they were out there racing....passing people...needless to say they were not impressed. There were DNF's from people who did Finish....it was a dogs bollocks mess....and it seems the leason has not been learnt! If they had transponders on the times would have been acurate, all the problems mentioned above would have been solved...its the bad attitude that keeps me from AMCC events trashy, thats it.

Peter Smith

27th April 2009, 10:41

[QUOTE=FROSTY It was soposed to be something pretty darned impressive. Harking back to the "good" old days of the castrol 6 hour.

Perhaps looking back at what went wrong and what went right should be looked at in a positive manner.

I had heard at the previous round that this event was on but the details were very sketchy. As I don't live in Auckland I had to do alot of web surfing. There was no mention of the race on the AMCC website so I kept checking each day. It took ages before the entry forms appeared on the AMCC website.
I got an email the week before the event with entry forms attached.
As has been said before it appears a lack of advertising and emails to other clubs has left a lot of riders unaware the event was even on, which is a real shame as an endurance could have been fun.
Good on AMCC for trying this event, it's just a crying shame that no one south of the bombay's knew about it.
It was a top effort by the Postie boys getting 22 bikes listed for the starting grid positions. WELL DONE.

wharfy

27th April 2009, 11:30

I for one am saving my hard earned dollars for the VMCC winter series...I'm looking forward to seeing how they run their club races in comparison.

They run the club events the same way they run their National round - like clockwork :first:

Peter Smith

27th April 2009, 11:58

You wont race an AMCC event because they don't run transponders? That's a bit gay. How often have you finished a race so closely to another racer that you've needed a transponder to tell you who was in front?

I agree with you WT.
At the enduro 300 they timed me at 1:05.9 on me old oil cooker GSXR.
If I had a transponder it might have been a 1:06-1:07
I'll keep the bragging right of being in the 1:05's thank you very much.:banana:

White trash

27th April 2009, 13:13

Its not for that reason WT...its for the attitude shown at a good suggestion AND the poor form we continually get because they ignore their members and don't run (or didn't for the summer series) transponders. I was talking to a bloke this weekend who for the second AMCC meeting in a row had his position on the starting grid fucked up because they got his qualifying times wrong! In round two there were racers who had DNS next to their names after races when they were out there racing....passing people...needless to say they were not impressed. There were DNF's from people who did Finish....it was a dogs bollocks mess....and it seems the leason has not been learnt! If they had transponders on the times would have been acurate, all the problems mentioned above would have been solved...its the bad attitude that keeps me from AMCC events trashy, thats it.
Cheers for the clarification mate, makes more sense indeed.

sidecar bob

27th April 2009, 17:31

I got an email the week before the event with entry forms attached.

Seriously, are there people out there organising endurance races that think a competitor can enter a week out & have everything sorted on the day?? W.I.B.F!!

Robert Taylor

27th April 2009, 18:05

Has it occured that there may be just too many meetings and too many classes ( in general ) to support our small population ???

Biggles08

27th April 2009, 18:20

Has it occured that there may be just too many meetings and too many classes ( in general ) to support our small population ???

Maybe Robert but in this instance I'm pretty certain other factors were alot more in play than that reason.:confused:

sinfull

27th April 2009, 18:31

Seriously, are there people out there organising endurance races that think a competitor can enter a week out & have everything sorted on the day?? W.I.B.F!!

Well, i'd say email me anyway cause ya never know, but your dead to rights !

I got pointed to silverbullet (www.silverbullet.co.nz)today by a MX juniors parent and thought cool, had a look ummm cool if your an MX !

Saw that it can be added to by anyone and have to wonder why aint it full of upcoming road race events ?

The new site that the chow's settin up sounds great, but i have to ask why aint the ones we have now being utilised ?

Will the one he is now setting up be utilised to it's fullest or will it be a flash in the pan while there are elections going on (and fade into the past, after these flame threads die down post election)?

Or is it a matter of "oh shit, we've let it slide to this level ! Who the fuck can we blame for this mess" ?

I may be wrong (being a relatively new reader of the flame threads going on around here and i have kept relatively quiet through them) but it's looking to me that rather than saying shoot the secretary of this club, Shoot the ceo of that organisation, etc etc !

Maybe it should be sugested to this secretary of this club, sugested to a ceo of that organisation, that perhaps if any road racing were advertised in with MX sites, that are obviously frequented by motorcycle enthusiasts, like the lad who's father it was who first pointed me at silverbullet (www.silverbullet.co.nz), who, for a matter of interest, is carrying the number 2 on his MX bike and i talked him into comming to watch a round at manfield and is now very keen to enter road racing (Year or so) ! But hey all he sees is MX on the site he looks at !

Looks like anyone can do this advertising !
I'm about to go (rather than comment as to the effectiveness of someone i don't know) have a crack at signing up and add anything i might know thats coming up to that site ! So that ppl ie: racers , spectators, prospective racers, prospective spectators, that find it or i tell, can add it to their favourites (because its the only one i know of ATM)

Two Smoker

27th April 2009, 18:52

Fuck off brother, I stay as clear of Gav as possible. Everytime I get within six feet of him he tries to stick his pee pee in my ear.

That's sexual harrasment that is.........

Its not sexual harrasment when you keep saying yes... You know you like it...

Two Smoker

27th April 2009, 18:58

Has it occured that there may be just too many meetings and too many classes ( in general ) to support our small population ???

I agree Dr Taylor. Wouldn't we be better off merging Superbikes and 600's with something like the Toyota Cup, NZ V8s and GT3 Cup?

No offence to the other classes, but the focus at the Nationals should be SBK and 600SP. This would be far better done in conjunction with top car racing classes, that already have TV coverage. TV coverage is the key to attracting new spectators and sponsorship to the sport.

Teambwr47

27th April 2009, 19:32

White trash

27th April 2009, 19:33

Its not for that reason WT...its for the attitude shown at a good suggestion AND the poor form we continually get because they ignore their members and don't run (or didn't for the summer series) transponders. I was talking to a bloke this weekend who for the second AMCC meeting in a row had his position on the starting grid fucked up because they got his qualifying times wrong! In round two there were racers who had DNS next to their names after races when they were out there racing....passing people...needless to say they were not impressed. There were DNF's from people who did Finish....it was a dogs bollocks mess....and it seems the leason has not been learnt! If they had transponders on the times would have been acurate, all the problems mentioned above would have been solved...its the bad attitude that keeps me from AMCC events trashy, thats it.
Just a quick thought here.

When you raised your concerns, who did you speak to at AMCC and did you introduce yourself?

The other thing is, with your ideas and experience, have any of us stood for a position on the race committee and made a diference?

Kickaha

27th April 2009, 19:39

I agree Dr Taylor. Wouldn't we be better off merging Superbikes and 600's with something like the Toyota Cup, NZ V8s and GT3 Cup?

No offence to the other classes, but the focus at the Nationals should be SBK and 600SP. This would be far better done in conjunction with top car racing classes, that already have TV coverage. TV coverage is the key to attracting new spectators and sponsorship to the sport.

Bikes with the cars has been tried before, they only did it one season and raced at Levels and Taupo

Why should we focus on the SBK when they're the smallest class? :bleh:

Oh yeah I expect like everyone else the cars have to pay for the TV coverage so running with them wont guarantee it

tas152

27th April 2009, 19:54

Turned up and was disappointed by the lack of entries in F2 and Formula Auckland but raced and enjoyed the whole weekend, even if the sunday conditions were poor on track.

I knew there was a meeting on because I bothered to find out when the next round of the AMCC was and what form it was going to take.

Yes i got an email to remind me about it but seems some here expect clubs to chase them for entries....?

yes you can argue that the clubs need to advertise the meetings for crowd attendance but for competitors to, come on get real.

If you want to race how hard is to look for the dates of all clubs, they are almost all without exception somewhere on the internet and if they're not we do still have phones.

I have no idea why the entry was so small, everyone has there own reasons i guess but those that didn't enter missed a good weekend and thats their loss.

Cheers to all that the AMCC, yes sometimes its a bit to casual as a race club but its still fun and to all those that give their time for free for us to race, cheers......:niceone:

+1

Anyone that wants to race can easily find out whats on.

Thanks again to AMCC and all those others behind the scenes who give their time so we can turn up and race. Oh, and a great big extra thanks to all the flag marshalls who had a busy job on Sunday in the rain - you guys rock... and nice to meet some of you :doh:

But... IMHO, Puke sucks and is past it's use by date, which may explain why some people don't go there, and the weather forecast was for rain sat and sun....

Biggles08

27th April 2009, 20:07

Just a quick thought here.

When you raised your concerns, who did you speak to at AMCC and did you introduce yourself?

The other thing is, with your ideas and experience, have any of us stood for a position on the race committee and made a diference?

I'm not going to publically abuse/name an individual by saying who it was but yes they were the right person to talk to and yes I did introduce myself. We talked about various things before I brought this up in conversation.

My experience is all of about 4 months worth of racing WhiteTrash....bwaaaahaaaahaaaa :-) AND yes people need to volunteer to help out as you suggest but I'm afraid that person is not me. It seems whenever suggestions for improvment are made it always seems to be turned around on those making the suggestions....in the real world it doesn't work like this. There are various people employed for roles that suit them and often different parts of a business struggle to work together such as sales vs Accounts for example. each role is very different but a sales person often has ideas that are valid and should be considered by the accounts dep as well as the other way around.

Just because someone mentions ways to improve the status quo does not mean they wish to do everything themselves. Maybe one day I will get more involved in the day to day running of a club but right now that is not an option for me.

Sidewinder

27th April 2009, 20:14

White trash

27th April 2009, 20:30

I'm not going to publically abuse/name an individual by saying who it was but yes they were the right person to talk to and yes I did introduce myself. We talked about various things before I brought this up in conversation.

My experience is all of about 4 months worth of racing WhiteTrash....bwaaaahaaaahaaaa :-) AND yes people need to volunteer to help out as you suggest but I'm afraid that person is not me. It seems whenever suggestions for improvment are made it always seems to be turned around on those making the suggestions....in the real world it doesn't work like this. There are various people employed for roles that suit them and often different parts of a business struggle to work together such as sales vs Accounts for example. each role is very different but a sales person often has ideas that are valid and should be considered by the accounts dep as well as the other way around.

Just because someone mentions ways to improve the status quo does not mean they wish to do everything themselves. Maybe one day I will get more involved in the day to day running of a club but right now that is not an option for me.
Sweet as, and valid points Marcus.

I certainly hope I can count on your support in my recently started thread to get things heading in the right direction?

Jimmy

_STAIN_

27th April 2009, 20:55

well said it a thousand times and will say it again
Dorkland club is shit useless at promotion, worse than "most" clubs.
for fooks sake you have near 1,000,000 people over the hill from Puke and bar the Classic Events (run by another club) the puny stands have never been filled since the 70's.

example: last round of nationals, wouldn't be dicey financial decision...... if you pulled your head out of the sand and promoted it to the locals ( only a million or so people) nah that would "cost" us money. What a joke

screw mnz we need professionalism and professional promoters in today's world. Can't be done with a few home made fliers run off the banda machine.

did anyone see the car racing ads on TV this summer ? wonder how they managed crowd control.......

Tell "South of the Bombay", another joke, majority of potential competitors and ("spectators" who actually contribute huge $$$ to the cost of a good run a meeting) are in your "own back yard"

since when has Enduro ever been associated with roadrace......wake up to catchy road race event name.

scrivy

27th April 2009, 21:41

Oh yeah I expect like everyone else the cars have to pay for the TV coverage so running with them wont guarantee it

We raced with the cars at Levels last year kick, and we certainly didn't get TV coverage. Mind you, there was really only 1 sidecar going hard then though eh bro................

Kickaha

27th April 2009, 22:34

We raced with the cars at Levels last year kick, and we certainly didn't get TV coverage.

Because it was going to cost us $2500 for our share of it (or something around that) and they did invite us back as well cause they fucking loved us

Mind you, there was really only 1 sidecar going hard then though eh bro................

Yeah, me and Dave were awesome

scrivy

28th April 2009, 08:25

Yeah, me and Dave were awesome

Oh, it was you and Dave that me and Bob lapped. I thought it was!!
It was just a blur as we went past.........

roogazza

28th April 2009, 09:19

Has it occured that there may be just too many meetings and too many classes ( in general ) to support our small population ???

You may well be correct Robert ? I am waiting with interest to see the turn out for the winter series meets , one in particular, the VMCC .
That will give us an idea of the world economy effect on our sport. Gaz.

sidecar bob

28th April 2009, 17:04

they did invite us back as well cause they fucking loved us

You mean they loved US!!!!:first:

FROSTY

29th April 2009, 12:34

I do realize this Frosty and don't get me wrong....I'm sure there are good people who work their butts off for the club and I appreciate this...my problem is aimed more at the higher ranks in the club...the apparent lack of appreciation the leaders of the Club have for its members
Mate Your statement has been well quite honestly really pissing me off.
Not because it was made by you or that I've an issue with you personally.
Its just that it reflects EXACTLY why AMCC is the way it is and why PMCC is seen as being a better club.
Quite simply when it comes time to actually DO something there is no sighn of the likes of you.
Election time for AMCC is mid july I think. This is where the club officials are elected.
Last year there were barely enough people turned up to call it an official meeting.
Doesn't this show the apathy of the membership?
If we wanna make changes lets get rid of mr Heaphy and Mr Costello.
Its easy all we need to do is get enough club members to stand up and vote in a new club prez,treasurer,road race committee etc.
Why are they still there?? simply because NOBODY else has stood up for the jobs.

For the record I'm not advocating removing club officials just making a point.

Peter Smith

29th April 2009, 15:24

I am waiting with interest to see the turn out for the winter series meets , one in particular, the VMCC .
That will give us an idea of the world economy effect on our sport. Gaz.

The VMCC round 1 at Taupo should be quite big as it includes the final round for the NZPCRA (Posties), not sure how the other rounds will go as Manfield is quite a trip from Auckland.:crybaby: I hope to make it down to some of them.:woohoo:

Shaun

29th April 2009, 16:00

The VMCC round 1 at Taupo should be quite big as it includes the final round for the NZPCRA (Posties), not sure how the other rounds will go as Manfield is quite a trip from Auckland.:crybaby: I hope to make it down to some of them.:woohoo:

All VMCC race series meets will be HUGE! It is a fantastic club, run by people who listen and learn.

Biggles08

29th April 2009, 18:13

Mate Your statement has been well quite honestly really pissing me off.
Not because it was made by you or that I've an issue with you personally.
Its just that it reflects EXACTLY why AMCC is the way it is and why PMCC is seen as being a better club.
Quite simply when it comes time to actually DO something there is no sighn of the likes of you.
Election time for AMCC is mid july I think. This is where the club officials are elected.
Last year there were barely enough people turned up to call it an official meeting.
Doesn't this show the apathy of the membership?
If we wanna make changes lets get rid of mr Heaphy and Mr Costello.
Its easy all we need to do is get enough club members to stand up and vote in a new club prez,treasurer,road race committee etc.
Why are they still there?? simply because NOBODY else has stood up for the jobs.

For the record I'm not advocating removing club officials just making a point.

Bwaaahaaaahaaa...well I'm glad its pissed you off Frosty :sweatdrop....thats why I said it of course! hehe...kidding.

Bro...why have a crack at all the 'appathetic' members when there is no incentive to get excited about anything!?! Why is PMCC seen as a better club??? why??? answer that question. If what you say is right then maybe we should look at whats going on there! Is every member of PMCC an active member getting stuck in an doing everything for themselves? I doubt it! They will have membership of pretty much EXACTLY the same demographic as AMCC...the will have roofers, plumbers, sales people, fucking fingernail specialists no doubt! My point is Frosty...people are the same everywhere and we need to work with what we have. Your not going to get people interested in 'getting involved' by standing up on a high horse whining that no one gets involved...they will tell you to go get knotted! What is the answer Frosty? You suggest what? I disagree completely if what you are saying is 'I' should become more involved of the running of the club. Who's to say I will be any better...I can tell you 100% I wouldn't be...(although for completely different reasons to why I believe there is problems now i would add) so why tell me to do something I'm no good at doing!?!? I'll vote for sure and that is exactly what should happen, but telling me to stand up to be counted is stupid as you have no idea if I would be any good!

Your whole argument seems to be based around the fact that not enough people are involved and I would probably agree with you on this note. But where we appear to part company is when you start blaming us....all of us the members for not standing up. The people currently involved in the running of AMCC have a responsibility to its members to provide a club that is functional and essentially have some sort of belonging attached with it, after all thats what the definition of a club is (like minds meeting together etc). At most...no actually, ALL events I have been to run by AMCC I feel like they are more interested in defending EVERYTHING they do rather than learn from thier mistakes. This is right from the riders briefing all the way to the end of the day. What happens is eventually people get fed up and leave the club, or don't bother spending thier money on AMCC run events....much like what has happened. So you getting 'pissed off' at my valid input is actually part of the problem in my opinion as most of what I have suggested to improve the situation has been largely ignored.

Just to be clear Frosty, I am not having a go at you here personaly, I'm merely also trying to state a point of why I believe AMCC is rapidly heading to the gutter based on my short time in the racing world.

Marcus

FROSTY

29th April 2009, 18:26

You are thinking about it Marcus But why not now do something about it??
Incidently I'm one at the moment looking in from the outside due to my personal situation-workin 7 days a week.
That said Mr Costello (-using him as an example because most AMCC folk know the slippered man well ) Has been there dong it for a number of years.2 weeks of his 4 week holiday is spent ensuring racers get their time on track.
I agree with you ENTIRELY that AMCC is getting tired and feels worn out. Quite honestly I really don't blame em when the new blood so desperately needed in the organisation is missing.

The difference between PMCC and AMCC Honestly -Its the average "age " of the comittee members. By "age" I dont mean years going round this rock more years on the job running the club. PMCC still has that Bright eyed bushy tailed attitude that new recruits always have.
That said you NEED I think that experience to go "woaa Hold on a mo" in some situations.

Personally Ive got some ideas I would really love to see in place in AMCC club meetings.But Im not able to do so untill I can step up to the plate and be an active commitee or club member

ACTUALLY Ol son--I DONT think you'd be a bad comittee member. I think the opposite. The NEW Ideas you as an inexperienced racer could bring to the table I think would be invaluable.

Biggles08

29th April 2009, 19:20

ACTUALLY Ol son--I DONT think you'd be a bad comittee member. I think the opposite. The NEW Ideas you as an inexperienced racer could bring to the table I think would be invaluable.

Why do I need to be on the comittee or more involved in running the club for my ideas to be listened to?? Why would they listen then and not now? Thats my point persactly....they NEED TO LISTEN!!!

BMWST?

29th April 2009, 19:57

Why do I need to be on the comittee or more involved in running the club for my ideas to be listened to?? Why would they listen then and not now? Thats my point persactly....they NEED TO LISTEN!!!

CLUBS NEED PEOPLE(MEMBERS) TO DO THINGS.LISTENING IS EASY. DOING IS NOT.THE MORE YOU DO,THE MORE YOU CAN DO BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WANT TO DO MORE THINGS....IF YOU ARENT PREPARED TO GET IN THERE AND DO SOMETHING ..then stay away
and for the record i have absolutely no affiliation with any motorcycle club,but have been involved with many other clubs.New leadership may make some difference in getting things done but people have to do the hard yards.

scracha

29th April 2009, 21:02

not sure how the other rounds will go as Manfield is quite a trip from Auckland.:crybaby: I hope to make it down to some of them.:woohoo:

Aside from Auckland, there are plenty of riders from the south Island who make it to all the VMCC rounds.

Biggles08

29th April 2009, 22:55

CLUBS NEED PEOPLE(MEMBERS) TO DO THINGS.LISTENING IS EASY. DOING IS NOT.THE MORE YOU DO,THE MORE YOU CAN DO BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WANT TO DO MORE THINGS....IF YOU ARENT PREPARED TO GET IN THERE AND DO SOMETHING ..then stay away
and for the record i have absolutely no affiliation with any motorcycle club,but have been involved with many other clubs.New leadership may make some difference in getting things done but people have to do the hard yards.

After I finally decifered that interesting english in the first sentence I realized that you still didn't answer my question. And I agree they do need more people involved but some people are too busy doing other things to get as involved as they may wish to...or not....thats NOT the point. I still ask the question....why does one have to be on the comittee to be recognized as a valid contributor to a club??? BOLLOCKS!