Motards in Group one?

[Quasievil]

I am thinking seriously about the safety of the Motards and sportsbike riders in group one (the fast group) of any current track day event.

Last week I attended a trackday and almost had a major as I was cut off in a major kinda way by a impatient prick on a sportsbike, I certainly felt in a bad place afterwards, and I aint no prude on the track

here are the issues as I see it, you guys can (and no doubt will contribute to this)

1/ Sportsbike riders I find are often very impatient (at times) in passing a slower bike, especially a Motard as many think they shouldnt be there (I believe) for whatever reason.

2/ I find alot of Motard riders should not be in group one (by default) as they just dont have the skills to be fast enough (frankly)

3/ The Speed difference in the straights is to great, Im at 180kmph a good sportsbike rider will be at 260kmph

There is the argument that Motards take different lines, but I dont buy into this as in a trackday situation everyone is taking different lines including sportsbikes, and lines isn't the issue at a trackday event, same as the foot out crap.

I have made a small video to highlight my point (as best I can) and I have discussed it with the event organisers who will be looking into it tonight, however I would like to hear from other trackdayers what their experiences have been, with a Motard and Sportsbike mix

Im advocating that race motarders only go in group one , or , All motarders go into group two.

Whats your thoughts?

Im not interested in anyone bagging motards if you want to do that ya can fuck off as its a fast growing and popular class that has every right to be there as does anyone.

Here is the movie

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[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

in honesty from viewing the vid, I cant see the drama. The passes were'nt dangerous.

[Quasievil]

Im Starting to see this was a waste of time.

[scracha]

in honesty from viewing the vid, I cant see the drama. The passes were'nt dangerous.
Quasi...considering it's the fast group, then quite honestly from that video I didn't see anything dangerous. The sportsbikers didn't seem impatient in the way they were passing. Big speed differential towards the end of the back straight but are you saying the 2 smoke 250's and 400's shouldn't be there either? Putting the fast motard riders into the medium group would cause more mayhem when inexperienced sportsbike riders suddenly find a motard parked in front of them mid-corner (they do weigh fark all, stop rather quickly and take different lines).

I get more pissed off by trackdayers (be they on motards or sportsbikes) passing then immediately swerving right in front of you and slamming on the brakes. Bit farkin stupid doing that right in front of an older/heavier bike on a trackday if you ask me.

[tri boy]

I was a shit house club racer in the eighties, and could only get my head around racing by sliding 1/2 out of control on a chair in dirt, but I think I see where Quasi is coming from. That speed differential would certainly scare the crap out of me. (if I was on the retard). MHO

[Quasievil]

So Referencing back to my original post

1/ Sportsbike riders I find are often very impatient (at times) in passing a slower bike, especially a Motard as many think they shouldnt be there (I believe) for whatever reason.

2/ I find alot of Motard riders should not be in group one (by default) as they just dont have the skills to be fast enough (frankly)

3/ The Speed difference in the straights is to great, Im at 180kmph a good sportsbike rider will be at 260kmph

You think that having a slower Motard is okay and you dont mind slowing down until its safe to pass ? as it doesnt seem to be the case in actual fact.

You think that a slow few motards in group one is an okay thing?

You think that a speed differential to this level is okay?

I would like to hear from those who actually have ridden in group one.

As a note also I never said the video content was dangerous, it is a demonstration of the speed difference as well as I think it captures the frustration of the fast sportsbike rider well.

[Gremlin]

I can see what you are trying to do, and the speed differential IS dangerous.

However, even limiting group 1 to race motarders... I have seen plenty of race motarders that would be too slow for group 1.

The most dangerous situation on the track imho is when two fast bikes are racing each other, the 2nd bike is quite blind to the view of the track ahead, especially if they are tucked behind the 1st bike. If you have significantly slower bikes in the same group, the danger is amplified. Quite relevant for motards speed down the straights.

From that vid, I wouldn't say the sportsbikers were impatient. I've owned sportsbikes and now own a supermoto, and don't think I'm particulary biased either way.

I would say that simply, some of those people might not have been graded for the groups properly, unless the sportsbike was an exceptionally fast one.

[Gubb]

Being the Nana that I am in Group 4, i've had a few issues with Motards with us newbies.

One such incident saw me very nearly run off the track, had a Motard on the outside of me, carrying much more corner speed than I into the corner, and cutting across the front of me, with a completely different line. Freaked me out a little bit, but I suspect the rider was more of a cock than anything else.

Perhaps they could go to 3 groups, and 1 for Motards to keep the track time and setup the same. Assuming that there is enough Motards to run a separate group.

Looks like a shitload of fun, and I guess that towards Group 1 where people are pushing it a little more, it could be an issue to have two groups that take completely different, and competing lines.

That said, I don't know dick about Motards, other than I want to go.

[Devil]

Yep, it's a bugbear of mine. I haven't been riding my motard in group 1 for exactly the reason of the speed differential on the straight bits. Not being allowed in group 2 at motoTT means the only other option is group 3. So I spend most of my laps trying to get around (read: avoid running into the back of) the less experienced sports riders.

If anything the motards SHOULDN"T be allowed in group 3, but allowed in group 2. A group 2 rider is more likely to have more track experience compared to a group 3 rider. Then motard riders have a choice.

[sinfull]

Should have shown a bit more vid of you getting taken round the
outside mate !!!
the vid most certainly shows what happens when a
couple of sportbikes catch up to a
group of motards, no arguments there !
More often than not
the
S/bikes are having a bit of a battle and yes there could be
a
little
impatience there !
But i think
the idea of
putting the tards
in
group 1 was that most s/bike riders in group 1
should have the
abilities to get
round them safely !
There are some in
group 2 who
can do
the
same speeds as group 1
but
don't have the same ability !
Edit : donno whats up
with my keyboard
gggrrrrr

[Devil]

One such incident saw me very nearly run off the track, had a Motard on the outside of me, carrying much more corner speed than I into the corner, and cutting across the front of me, with a completely different line. Freaked me out a little bit, but I suspect the rider was more of a cock than anything else.


Yeah thats just someone being a knob. After riding both sports bikes and a motard you can just about take any line with the motard, where you're somewhat restricted with the sports bikes. There's no excuse for unsafe riding and cutting people up no matter what you're riding.

I dont want a dedicated motard group because I like riding with everyone. The safe passing rules are there for this and should be enforced instead of just copping out with the "different lines" routine. (not aimed at you).

[Devil]

There are some in
group 2 who
can do
the
same speeds as group 1
but
don't have the same ability !


If they dont have the experience or skills to pass people safely, they shouldn't be in group 2.

[sinfull]

If they dont have the experience or skills to pass people safely, they shouldn't be in group 2.
Shall we put them in the
novice class ?

IMHO Quasi i think status quo is ok, they are only track days after all ! If you move Motards into G2 your still going to have issues
And being trackdays S/bikers in G1 need to
show patience and motards need to be aware they will be
passed !

[Devil]

This is in reference to a 4 group MotoTT day.
Group 3 would be appropriate.

[Devil]

BTW Quasi et al...

Motards will not be excluded from any group at the Hampton Downs Ride Days. Expect them to be anal about safe passing.

[sinfull]

This is in reference to a 4 group MotoTT day.
Group 3 would be appropriate.
Sorry mate but how long do you think someone doing 1.50 laps will want to stay in group 3 ?

[Devil]

What's that on, a bicycle?
That's quite appropriate for the front of group 3. At that pace you should manage the whole session and barely catch the tail.

[sinfull]

What's that on, a bicycle?
That's quite appropriate for the front of group 3. At that pace you should manage the whole session and barely catch the tail.

Cool so this chap/lass doing 1.50 has 2 choices, start at the front and ride alone till he catches the tail or start at the back and carve G3 up ? Remember my initial comment was lack of skill level ! So your
saying this bloke on his new litre bike should be let loose on G3 ?
No Sorry but once you get to lead a group around, the natural thing to do is step up a group !
Oh and as for insinuating 1.50 is bicycle speed , i'd be interested to see what times your pedaling round in !

[Devil]

Cool so this chap/lass doing 1.50 has 2 choices, start at the front and ride alone till he catches the tail or start at the back and carve G3 up ? Remember my initial comment was lack of skill level ! So your
saying this bloke on his new litre bike should be let loose on G3 ?
No Sorry but once you get to lead a group around, the natural thing to do is step up a group !
Oh and as for insinuating 1.50 is bicycle speed , i'd be interested to see what times your pedaling round in !

Not going there. Damned if I do, damned if I dont scenario.

Perhaps that's the natural thing to do, but the sensible thing to do would be stay at the front and build your experience instead of just moving up because you're on a fast bike.
Anyway, this is regarding the safety of having motards in group 1, because of being excluded from group 2. I'd rather be riding in group 2 as I said. You should expect the rest of the riders in that group to have more experience and skill than group 3 riders.

[Quasievil]

The Least I would like to see out of this is the Default for motards to be in group one removed, some of the guys out there on Friday where a bit to slow for this group.

[sinfull]

Not going there. Damned if I do, damned if I dont scenario.

. Was thinking along the same lines ! but hey stuborn lol

I personally can't understand why your stuck in 3 either mate ! I myself
don't have issues riding with motards ! Would hate to see a seperate group for them ! When i first moved to 1 i revelled in riding with them as it was
a battle to make a pass stick once you hit the corners ! But then the corner speeds came up and it was a matter of being patient !
Different story on race day when they mix classes.

[Sidewinder]

yea bro!
not sucking your knob but you were the only fast motard rider there on the day and i still pasted you. and they all pissed me off! just like how street stock were in my race last time!

[jrandom]

Oh and as for insinuating 1.50 is bicycle speed , i'd be interested to see what times your pedaling round in !

Mmyes.


Not going there. Damned if I do, damned if I dont scenario.

You haven't actually been timed with a transponder around Taupo, have you?

:msn-wink:

In response to the OP, well - personally, I think Bret just wanted an excuse to show off his riding videos.

:hug:

[Devil]

Was thinking along the same lines ! but hey stuborn lol

I personally can't understand why your stuck in 3 either mate ! I myself
don't have issues riding with motards ! Would hate to see a seperate group for them ! When i first moved to 1 i revelled in riding with them as it was
a battle to make a pass stick once you hit the corners ! But then the corner speeds came up and it was a matter of being patient !
Different story on race day when they mix classes.

Thats right.

I'm all for having everyone together and instead having the passing rules enforced.
We're out on the track because it's supposed to be a safer environment to let it all out. MotoTT themselves say no passing on the inside coming into a corner, but that's exactly what's going on in that video!

Redline trackdays I believe have a dedicated motards group. That's just a firm reason why I wont go to their days...

Safe considerate passing prefered!

[Sidewinder]

Thats right.

I'm all for having everyone together and instead having the passing rules enforced.
We're out on the track because it's supposed to be a safer environment to let it all out. MotoTT themselves say no passing on the inside coming into a corner, but that's exactly what's going on in that video!

Redline trackdays I believe have a dedicated motards group. That's just a firm reason why I wont go to their days...

Safe considerate passing prefered!

its the track! why can t you pass up the inside? if your not going to race what is the poin tof the track realy?
i ride like that on the road!

[Devil]

Take it up with them. It's not a race day.
The rule is not going up the inside when coming into a corner. It's fine when you're already in there and also on the way out...

[Sidewinder]

Take it up with them. It's not a race day.
The rule is not going up the inside when coming into a corner. It's fine when you're already in there and also on the way out...

yea but what if the loser is going way to slow, ill own them up the inside

[Devil]

Dont you be bringin your man-love agenda into this thread, yo.

[Sidewinder]

Dont you be bringin your man-love agenda into this thread, yo.

im thinking some times some people need to be told what group to go in, its just like when some1 goes in group one on there busa and is slow as fook and gets in everyones way.
why, you want some loving?

[CHOPPA]

Motards should be in whatever group there skill level suits. I give riders lots of room, but when your passing everyone 2 or 3 times a session cause they are in the wrong group it gets annoying!

[Quasievil]

Motards should be in whatever group there skill level suits. I give riders lots of room, but when your passing everyone 2 or 3 times a session cause they are in the wrong group it gets annoying!

Cheers Choppa, thats kinda one if the points mate. But Motards are generally told to go into group one by default as I understand it.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Motards should continue to stay in Group 1. Or else who am I going to give the learn to.

[Cr1MiNaL]

I give riders lots of room

Cough cough splatter (chocked on my chocolate cake) shit I nearly died after reading that.

[Quasievil]

Motards should continue to stay in Group 1. Or else who am I going to give the learn to.

lol yeah rightio, kinda remember a 50 hp bike giving you a run for your money not to long ago, for a few laps

[discotex]

Sorry mate but how long do you think someone doing 1.50 laps will want to stay in group 3 ?

Is 1:50 a reasonable time?


On topic tho it's a hard one. A roughly 80-100km/h speed difference on the straights does seem rather risky to me.

But then it'll be largely the same in G2.

G3 is probably the safest on the straights due to the lower exit speeds on T11 but it must be hell for motards in the corners. There's a lot of red mist in G3 and a general lack of appreciation for where the other bike will go which wouldn't help.

[sinfull]

Is 1:50 a reasonable time?


.It would take Choppa just over 5 laps to catch ya !
Or put another way 115% of his time around there the other week is 149.5 if my maths without a calculator is right, so knock a second off that and you'd make the cut !
Edit: hang on i might be puttin ya crook there, buggered if i know how to work out 115% of that lol ummm 1.30 is 90 seconds x 115% is 103 seconds which is 1.43 i think !

[discotex]

It would take Choppa just over 6 laps to catch ya !
Or put another way 115% of his time around there the other week is 149.5 if my maths without a calculator is right, so knock a second off that and you'd make the cut !

I get 1:43 for 115% of a 1:30 lap but still..

I'd say I must be doing 1:47ish on a good clear lap by now. If only I was allowed to time my laps eh. Still that's probably good enough for Clubmans right?

I still don't get my knee down though :lol:

Hmmm maybe I should get me a cheap old F3 400 and give this racing malarky a go. I'm sure I'd go faster if I wasn't worried about binning my daily ride.

[Tony.OK]

Brett...............firstly you have way too much time to play with:yes:

I'm with Chop, forcing someone into a group because of their bike ain't right. i've not seen any dodgey moves by motards fo ages at a trackday.

People should have the choice where they feel comfortable, everyones normally told to hold a line down the straights to be safe.

To be honest mate, I've been on the receiving end of a fair few motard riders not liking being passed so then slam the door under brakes..............but the shear joy of going around em takes the red mist away hahaaa.

They are trackdays after all............no prizes for passing anyone aye.

[sinfull]

I get 1:43 for 115% of a 1:30 lap but still..

I'd say I must be doing 1:47ish on a good clear lap by now. If only I was allowed to time my laps eh. Still that's probably good enough for Clubmans right?

I still don't get my knee down though :lol:

Hmmm maybe I should get me a cheap old F3 400 and give this racing malarky a go. I'm sure I'd go faster if I wasn't worried about binning my daily ride.
Lol didn't edit that fast enough yeah and he'd have ya in 5 laps lol there aint 100 seconds in a min !! Doh !!!
If your punting round at a 1.47 mate you would have come third or forth in our last clubmans race !
Next time ya see me at the track have a ganda at my sliders ! Not a mark on em ! Imagine the corner speed ya gonna pick up when ya get the body position in the right place to get ya knee down !

[Quasievil]

Im doing 1.48s on the Motard, just for your interest

[Mort]

Good thread Quasi...

For not so quick sports bike riders (like me) Motards can be bit of a menace cutting people up (happened to me a few times) or being difficult to pass on bends... but I think much of that can be avoided with a bit of mutual courtesy and space. Not all motard riders are experts either and perhaps should not be in group 1 with the very fastest bikes and riders.

The speed differential on the straight is definately a serious hazard. 100kph difference at those speeds is a lot. It could be managed by rules that every one is aware of laid down by the organiser. For instance Motards to use the left half of the straight only, fast sports bikes on the right.... something like that.

Apart from that a little courtesy, patience and good riding all round goes a long way towards ensuring all riders get a good day.

[Quasievil]

To be honest mate, I've been on the receiving end of a fair few motard riders not liking being passed so then slam the door under brakes..............but the shear joy of going around em takes the red mist away hahaaa.

They are trackdays after all............no prizes for passing anyone aye.

passing Sportsbikes is far more satisfying as we are so far down on power. love that

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[discotex]

Lol didn't edit that fast enough yeah and he'd have ya in 5 laps lol there aint 100 seconds in a min !! Doh !!!
If your punting round at a 1.47 mate you would have come third or forth in our last clubmans race !
Next time ya see me at the track have a ganda at my sliders ! Not a mark on em ! Imagine the corner speed ya gonna pick up when ya get the body position in the right place to get ya knee down !

Wow ok that gives me some perspective. I thought low 40's was a good time for a stock 600 but that's probably wrong. Certainly explains why only 1 or two people have passed me at the last two days (G3 at MotoTT and fast-road group at the Honda day). I'm looking forward to having my arse handed to me in G2 in May tho. Ya learn way more following someone quick.

Would love to be timing my laps so I knew for sure and could see the improvement but I understand the reasons the insurance companies don't want timing at trackdays.


Im doing 1.48s on the Motard, just for your interest

Wow that's mega quick when you think about your horsepower. Your corner speed must be insane to make up for the time you must be losing on the straights. Dude you so shouldn't sell that bike.

[Devil]

Your corner speed must be insane to make up for the time you must be losing on the straights. Dude you so shouldn't sell that bike.

You wouldn't believe how much distance you can gain on someone under braking on a motard. They're hilarious fun.

[Tony.OK]

passing Sportsbikes is far more satisfying as we are so far down on power. love that



Hahaa thats funny................:yes:

No probs when a better rider can round ya up............all credit to 'em, just gotta keep it in perspective at a trackday.

Was that you chasin on the sportbike in the 1st vid mate? Who was in front? And has no one shown ya how to downshift on a real bike?:crazy:

[Quasievil]

Hahaa thats funny................:yes:

No probs when a better rider can round ya up............all credit to 'em, just gotta keep it in perspective at a trackday.

Was that you chasin on the sportbike in the 1st vid mate? Who was in front? And has no one shown ya how to downshift on a real bike?:crazy:

That was Jarrod Love he was riding a freinds bike with a broken gear lever so he had a few troubles changing gears

[DVS 69]

Lol didn't edit that fast enough yeah and he'd have ya in 5 laps lol there aint 100 seconds in a min !! Doh !!!
If your punting round at a 1.47 mate you would have come third or forth in our last clubmans race !
Next time ya see me at the track have a ganda at my sliders ! Not a mark on em ! Imagine the corner speed ya gonna pick up when ya get the body position in the right place to get ya knee down !

Geez Sinfull i hadnt noticed your sliders !!!! Thats unreal man whats the story dont wanna scratch them up ? LOL.

[Patch]

I hear ya Quasi - I can't understand this motard vs. sprotsbike battle thing

perhaps g1 should be minimum 600cc

I for one don't like riding g1 for similar reasons hence why I switched to g2 - having some arsehole on a 6hundy go up the inside ain't fun especially when I've go no fuckin chance of hearing him coming


until I have the coin to mod my 11yr old barely 100hp steed, it'll be g2 for me - I don't care whether there are motards or not in the group - comes down courtesy and showing a little respect for others

[DVS 69]

Wow ok that gives me some perspective. I thought low 40's was a good time for a stock 600 but that's probably wrong. Certainly explains why only 1 or two people have passed me at the last two days (G3 at MotoTT and fast-road group at the Honda day). I'm looking forward to having my arse handed to me in G2 in May tho. Ya learn way more following someone quick...

I did a 1min43 on a stock 600 right on sinfulls ass in the 2nd race in april, and yes i thought it was a pretty good time (my fastest yet) ......... But yeah i reckon you only get faster by following faster people hence the move to F2 this summer, cant wait ta see sinfull on his 675 im sooooooo ready ta do battle :hug: lol

[Tony.OK]

Geez Sinfull i hadnt noticed your sliders !!!! Thats unreal man whats the story dont wanna scratch them up ? LOL.

Have ya seen how short that mans legs are?......................be lucky to deck knee on a pocket bike:whistle:

[sinfull]

Have ya seen how short that mans legs are?......................be lucky to deck knee on a pocket bike:whistle:

Yeah i'm whatching you !!! ya lanky bastard lol

[sinfull]

Wow ok that gives me some perspective. I thought low 40's was a good time for a stock 600 but that's probably wrong. Certainly explains why only 1 or two people have passed me at the last two days (G3 at MotoTT and fast-road group at the Honda day). I'm looking forward to having my arse handed to me in G2 in May tho. Ya learn way more following someone quick.

Would love to be timing my laps so I knew for sure and could see the improvement but I understand the reasons the insurance companies don't want timing at trackdays.



. Yeah have a look at mylaps (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=399156) and Check what dallas knocked off his times in three races in clubmans, then just compare with times of the F2 guys ! Nothin disrespectfull with the times your doin now !




Was that you chasin on the sportbike in the 1st vid mate? Who was in front? And has no one shown ya how to downshift on a real bike?:crazy:
The person in front is sandra and ya better whatch out or ya just might get beaten by a chick soon Tony !


Geez Sinfull i hadnt noticed your sliders !!!! Thats unreal man whats the story dont wanna scratch them up ? LOL.
Lol yep duck syndrome mate !
Well the official excuse is the bikes hieght and bad body position, hence them big swabs i taped on trying to change my position !

[Tony.OK]

The person in front is sandra and ya better whatch out or ya just might get beaten by a chick soon Tony !



Ohh is that the foreign bird? Gotta learn to keep it upright 1st aye:whistle:

Be better to follow than your ugly carcass though hahaa........

[DVS 69]

Ohh is that the foreign bird? Gotta learn to keep it upright 1st aye:whistle:

Be better to follow than your ugly carcass though hahaa........



I second that hahahahaha........

[DVS 69]

Yeah have a look at mylaps (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=399156) and Check what dallas knocked off his times in three races in clubmans, then just compare with times of the F2 guys ! Nothin disrespectfull with the times your doin now !




The person in front is sandra and ya better whatch out or ya just might get beaten by a chick soon Tony !


Lol yep duck syndrome mate !
Well the official excuse is the bikes hieght and bad body position, hence them big swabs i taped on trying to change my position !





Sinfull everytime i go to that "mylaps" page it doesnt work i can see the rounds points but i wanna comapre my times with sum f2 times but it keeps cutting out saying theres a problem .......... Its always done it. Any chance you could flick them thru via a email ?

[sinfull]

Ohh is that the foreign bird? Gotta learn to keep it upright 1st aye:whistle:

Be better to follow than your ugly carcass though hahaa........
Can't dissagree with ya there lol
Wouldn't be surprised if she's into the 1.30's by now ! Where 3 months ago she was late 1.40's (late 1.19 manfield) she did 1.13's manfield last weekend !
Doing every, i mean EVERY track day there is and paying the bucks for tutoring etc !
Once she can put that and staying upright into one package lol yeah ya might just get a glimpse for her arse !

[sinfull]

Sinfull everytime i go to that "mylaps" page it doesnt work i can see the rounds points but i wanna comapre my times with sum f2 times but it keeps cutting out saying theres a problem .......... Its always done it. Any chance you could flick them thru via a email ?
Click on the yellow writing i put up there mate and it will take ya to it (just tried it and it works) then save that to ya favourites ! Then just go to F2 and open them up cause ya know your times !
Or the home page to save is www.mylaps.com/

[scuzeme]

passing Sportsbikes is far more satisfying as we are so far down on power. love that

Hmmmmmm
The chasing bike is a Ducati 1098s being ridden by DMNTD, the guy on the white sports bike is me and i got a lesson in being cut off on the corner that why i looked bak at the motard guy when i went past him as if toy say "farg you icehole"

[Quasievil]

Hmmmmmm
The chasing bike is a Ducati 1098s being ridden by DMNTD, the guy on the white sports bike is me and i got a lesson in being cut off on the corner that why i looked bak at the motard guy when i went past him as if toy say "farg you icehole"

Cut off, yeah right lol

[scuzeme]

Cut off, yeah right lol

Yeah will thats what it seemed like back then...last year ;)
BTW 1:48 on a motard at Taupo is fairly impressive good on ya.

[Rcktfsh]

...Im not interested in anyone bagging motards...

you may not be but personally i find it good for hours of fun. Anyway simple answer to your problem is to ride your dirt bikes in the dirt, as they were designed for and leave the track uncluttered by your bastardisations of motorcycle's for the ones actually built to ride on them.

[Quasievil]

Yeah will thats what it seemed like back then...last year ;)
BTW 1:48 on a motard at Taupo is fairly impressive good on ya.

I will give ya a hug next time I see ya.

1.48 well yeah I guess, thats a good time from last PMCC but Im off the pace from the front pac by about 4 secs so that gives you an idea as to how fast Motards are, the big thing is braking, as per above video, you where braking way before I even thought about it, the bike itself weighs about 105 kgs so thats not much to brake in comparision to a sportsbike hence the entry speed his higher for longer than a sportsbike.

Interestingly Darrly Atkins on the Motard in Wangas, had he run in the robert holden he would have been about 4th !!! thats impressive for a 70 hp bike with competition running 180 hp !!

[Quasievil]

you may not be but personally i find it good for hours of fun. Anyway simple answer to your problem is to ride your dirt bikes in the dirt, as they were designed for and leave the track uncluttered by your bastardisations of motorcycle's for the ones actually built to ride on them.

LOL, my bike is a SMR Factory Super Motard Racer and is designed for track work and a little off road, its probably more technically advanced as a road bike than many sportsbikes

Anyway this thread has gone way off track

[DVS 69]

I think its alright motards running in group1 its just abit of give and take really ...... Where they're faster in sum spots sportbikes are quicker in others, motards do look a shitload of fun i reckon. For me i wouldnt risk all at a trackday but ya know everyones different. "It's a straight world without twistys" :woohoo:

[Rcktfsh]

...is designed for track work and a little off road...

so your telling me it has the same design flaw that woman have with their multi task function, instead of being able to do one thing exceptionally (what i'd call the male way) it, like a woman trying to multi task, can do several things in a half arsed incomplete way, pissing of anyone else caught in their vicinity?

[Devil]

Nice troll.

Either way it's about the rider. Not the bike.

[Quasievil]

so your telling me it has the same design flaw that woman have with their multi task function, instead of being able to do one thing exceptionally (what i'd call the male way) it, like a woman trying to multi task, can do several things in a half arsed incomplete way, pissing of anyone else caught in their vicinity?

Want to take it to the track? if not shut the fuck up

[MaxCannon]

I've never been to a MotoTT days but at the Redline and Kiwitrackdays days I've been to Motards were in both group 2 and 3

never saw a motard only group - seems too few of them turn up to warrant their own group.

Seems stupid that you are forced into group 1 on a motard where the biggest speed difference would be.

The motards in group 2 seemed to be keeping pace and not getting in the way.

On a side note. After starting all my track days in the slowest group and moving up to group 2 through the day I've decided I'm way happier in group 2.

Even though I'm slower that most of the other riders in a straight line I don't get carved up and I don't have to dodge people going into corners really slow.

[scracha]

Even though I'm slower that most of the other riders in a straight line I don't get carved up and I don't have to dodge people going into corners really slow.
Agreed guv. The faster 400's are doin mid 1.40's and why the hell should they be bumped into group 3 to sit behind wobby gixxer thou riders at every corner.


As for foreign burd (what a racist term btw)...she'll be in for a shocker when she plays in F1 and finds out other riders bite back. Still, no doubt Cowpoos will be there to give her the learn.

[Rcktfsh]

Want to take it to the track? if not shut the fuck up

Apart from the dangers of your wobbly trail bike then i'd also be exposed to the risk of finding one of those oversized couch cushions, you place on the back of your budget leather range, had detached and was blocking the track. :gob:

[Quasievil]

Apart from the dangers of your wobbly trail bike then i'd also be exposed to the risk of finding one of those oversized couch cushions, you place on the back of your budget leather range, had detached and was blocking the track. :gob:

lol what a dick

[Morcs]

Never had a problem with motards.

If I found myself in the situation of approaching the end of the back straight, and there is a motard ahead of me that I could push it to pass before the next set of corners, Id hang back knowing he'd probably be right up my arse all the way through to the pit straight.
I Stay with them until the last turn, then get a good jump down the pit straight and ya gone, no issues.

[Morcs]

Once she can put that and staying upright into one package lol yeah ya might just get a glimpse for her arse !

Yeah shes waaay too hot to be crashing heaps...

She crashed once because she couldnt get past Raj :yes:

[Quasievil]

Yeah shes waaay too hot to be crashing heaps...

She crashed once because she couldnt get past Raj :yes:

Sandra is her name, she is doing consistant 1.37 on Taupo full track, thats on a stock CBR1000 so with some mods she will be faster even that that, very talented rider.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Sandra is her name, she is doing consistant 1.37 on Taupo full track, thats on a stock CBR1000 so with some mods she will be faster even that that, very talented rider.

Well it's good to know that she is doing 1.37's ! I would'nt have minded sitting behind her but my ego's way too big to be able to deal with getting passed by a hot chick in a bikini on a 1000cc.:whistle:

[Quasievil]

Well it's good to know that she is doing 1.37's ! I would'nt have minded sitting behind her but my ego's way too big to be able to deal with getting passed by a hot chick in a bikini on a 1000cc.:whistle:

She is very fast now, I will edit up a video and post it of her at a fast pace soon

[scracha]

She is very fast now, I will edit up a video and post it of her at a fast pace soon

Bugger that quasi...plenty of video's of bikes going at a fast pace. Can we not just get vids of her peeling off her leathers to show her "posh spice" style bikini?

[kiwifruit]

I am thinking seriously about the safety of the Motards and sportsbike riders in group one (the fast group) of any current track day event.

Last week I attended a trackday and almost had a major as I was cut off in a major kinda way by a impatient prick on a sportsbike, I certainly felt in a bad place afterwards, and I aint no prude on the track

here are the issues as I see it, you guys can (and no doubt will contribute to this)

1/ Sportsbike riders I find are often very impatient (at times) in passing a slower bike, especially a Motard as many think they shouldnt be there (I believe) for whatever reason.

2/ I find alot of Motard riders should not be in group one (by default) as they just dont have the skills to be fast enough (frankly)

3/ The Speed difference in the straights is to great, Im at 180kmph a good sportsbike rider will be at 260kmph

There is the argument that Motards take different lines, but I dont buy into this as in a trackday situation everyone is taking different lines including sportsbikes, and lines isn't the issue at a trackday event, same as the foot out crap.

I have made a small video to highlight my point (as best I can) and I have discussed it with the event organisers who will be looking into it tonight, however I would like to hear from other trackdayers what their experiences have been, with a Motard and Sportsbike mix

Im advocating that race motarders only go in group one , or , All motarders go into group two.

Whats your thoughts?

Im not interested in anyone bagging motards if you want to do that ya can fuck off as its a fast growing and popular class that has every right to be there as does anyone.



http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129208182#post1129208182

[kiwifruit]

Quasi and co, you'll be pleased to learn we've changed the rule to allow motards in all groups.

[Quasievil]

Quasi and co, you'll be pleased to learn we've changed the rule to allow motards in all groups.

Sweet im going in group 4 !!:2thumbsup

[discotex]

Sweet im going in group 4 !!:2thumbsup

Burgler :buggerd:

[sinfull]

Burgler :buggerd:
Yeah we should drop to group 4 as well to keep him honest !

[discotex]

Yeah we should drop to group 4 as well to keep him honest !

Would make it interesting that's for sure!