ANZAC Day, know it's over but...

[Fatt Max]

Check out this story on the Yahoo website:

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5529076/student-body-rejected-anzac-wreath-invite/

I ran into one of these type of people on Friday, jeez they make my blood boil...:angry2:

Sorry to go over old ground but it has really got me this one

Just my rant

[madbikeboy]

My Grandfather gave most of his adult life in the navy, he was at the battle of the river Plate, and he was on the Leander when it got torpedoed. He spent time in Korea too.

That shit makes my blood boil too.

Out of interest, I would have enlisted, but he wouldn't let me. Said enough time had been given.

He passed away a few years ago, a very cool guy.

[Indiana_Jones]

Fucking muppets.

-Indy

[Pixie]

They are on their way to becoming good Labour Party members - one may even progress to become the next woman Labour prime minister

[ynot slow]

How does that quote go "Too intelligent for their own good" more like too fucken thick about passed history.

[MSTRS]

Disgusting!! doesn't quite do justice to these retarded knob-ends. The Reds and Greens will be smirking and rubbing their filthy paws together at thought of these potential new members. For that is surely where these pricks are headed.

[ManDownUnder]

'tards will be 'tards... and they tend to point themselves out from time to time.

This would be Exhibit A your honour...!

[Slyer]

Christ sakes you lot.
You don't have to get all up in arms about a fucking wreath.

Secondly, ANZAC day IS pro-war, if it were anti-war we would be saying "Those poor souls, we should have never gone to war in the first place. Such a waste."
instead of
"We honour the people that fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy today."
War isn't a GOOD thing, but it is very necessary.

I don't need a day of remembrance to thank our soldiers for what they have sacrificed for us, I can thank them any day I like.

[Devil]

Secondly, ANZAC day IS pro-war, if it were anti-war we would be saying "Those poor souls, we should have never gone to war in the first place. Such a waste."
instead of
"We honour the people that fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy today."
War isn't a GOOD thing, but it is very necessary.



WHAT?! That's like ignoring the holocaust because it's anti-semitic!

[Magua]

War isn't a GOOD thing, but it is very necessary.



Like the second Boer War? Pointless imperialism really. Nethertheless those men and women went and died for King and Country, they were willing to give their lives, shouldn't they be remembered?

I've never thought of ANZAC day as pro war, or met anyone who does. :mellow:

[Slyer]

Necessary in general.

[MSTRS]

War isn't a GOOD thing, but it is very necessary.
I don't need a day of remembrance to...


Of course it isn't a good thing. Don't know about 'necessary' but it is inevitable.
Still, ANZAC Day has never been about glorifying war. though. It is the official day for remembering the sacrifices and bravery of those who went against an aggressor.
To use your logic, why celebrate a birthday, wedding anniversary etc?

[Oscar]

I don't understand how some people can so badly miss the point.

ANZAC day is based on the worst military defeat in our short history - Gallipoli.
It stems from a time that was possibly more anti-war than now.
In 1920 we'd just been through the "War to end all wars", and NZ had come out of it with one of the highest per capita casualty rates of any belligerent.

How could this be construed as "glorifying war"?

Fucking idjuts.

[Lias]

I don't understand how some people can so badly miss the point.

Fucking idjuts.

We're talking about trendy rebel against the man psuedo intellectual student types here. Even if they had enough braincells to comprehend the point, they'd refuse to do so on general principal.

[sharknet]

Christ sakes you lot.
You don't have to get all up in arms about a fucking wreath.

Secondly, ANZAC day IS pro-war, if it were anti-war we would be saying "Those poor souls, we should have never gone to war in the first place. Such a waste."
instead of
"We honour the people that fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy today."
War isn't a GOOD thing, but it is very necessary.

I don't need a day of remembrance to thank our soldiers for what they have sacrificed for us, I can thank them any day I like.

Yeah, you can, but do you?

No way are ANZAC day celebrations pro war, the're about rememberance, honour and nationalistic pride.
If you had ever been to an ANZAC day service, people DO say "...those poor souls, we should have never gone in the first place".
We did, we had to as responsible global citizens, and we paid dearly for it, the bare minimum we can do is remember and honour those that fell once a year officially.

To see any one, especially an educational institute that should know better, respond this way guts me.
I'm a returned serviceman, my family attended a service on Saturday, and they all know why.

Interesting to note, services are getting more and more attendance, especially by families, I wonder why?

[Laxi]

Christ sakes you lot.
You don't have to get all up in arms about a fucking wreath.

Secondly, ANZAC day IS pro-war, if it were anti-war we would be saying "Those poor souls, we should have never gone to war in the first place. Such a waste."
instead of
"We honour the people that fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy today."
War isn't a GOOD thing, but it is very necessary.

I don't need a day of remembrance to thank our soldiers for what they have sacrificed for us, I can thank them any day I like.

it's not about a bunch of shrubery, its the simple fact that these people see anzac day as condoning war, the phrase "least we forget" says it all, 1 set of grandparents lived through ww2 under the nazis in holland, the other grandfather fought in nth africa, ask my dutch grandparents whether it was necissary! considering the b.s and fighting that goes on on waitangi day, personaly I'd like them change our national day to anzac day

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We're talking about trendy rebel against the man psuedo intellectual student types here. Even if they had enough braincells to comprehend the point, they'd refuse to do so on general principal.

in this case the word you are looking for is: "principle"

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considering the b.s and fighting that goes on on waitangi day, personaly I'd like them change our national day to anzac day

How could a day set aside to remembering New Zealand's contribution to an INTERNATIONAL conflict be deemed a national day?

Remember also the small matter of conscription - many people who disagreed with war were forced to participate.

Worth remembering for sure but hardly cause to celebrate

[Badjelly]

Still, ANZAC Day has never been about glorifying war. though. It is the official day for remembering the sacrifices and bravery of those who went against an aggressor.

I agree, have been to a few Anzac Day ceremonies myself, and don't think the VUW Students Association was right to snub it. BUT, back in the 70s the RSA was very much for NZ involvement in the Vietnam War and you might have been forgiven for thinking that glorifying wars, any war, was exactly what they thought Anzac Day was about. I remember that a group of young anti-war people tried to lay a wreath at an Anzac Day ceremony with the words "To the dead and dying on both sides in Vietnam". This was considered very offensive by the old soldiers, wrongly in my opinion. (In hindsight, I think the only thing that's offensive about that wreath is that it fails to acknowledge that many of the dead and dying in that conflict weren't on any side.)

[PrincessBandit]

Just because committee members of the student association refused to lay a wreath was there any reason that another group of students could not have accepted the invitation?

The article reads as if the committee (who are meant to represent the student body) were determined to refuse for their own peculiar reasons, rather than listening to what those they represent wanted. Yep - future policiticans alright!

I hope the students who wanted to be involved gave their committee members the big finger and organised their own participation (or sought advice on whether they could do so).

After reading my granddad's diary (he fought in Italy in '45-'46) it brought home to me the sacrifice these men and women made, which many of us in our comfortable little security bubbles have no concept of. Particularly touching was even to read of the terrible homesickness they suffered, the desperation for getting news from home, the brutal route marches etc. all in addition to the combat.

What a pathetic representation of Wellington's "finest"(???) Hope they are proud of the attention they've brought to themselves.

[Laxi]

How could a day set aside to remembering New Zealand's contribution to an INTERNATIONAL conflict be deemed a national day?

Remember also the small matter of conscription - many people who disagreed with war were forced to participate.

Worth remembering for sure but hardly cause to celebrate

wether you like it or not, new zealand (& australia) gained a lot of their identity in the wars, ww1 was when we stoped being a collony and became a nation

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wether you like it or not, new zealand (& australia) gained a lot of their identity in the wars


This may be your opinion - I fully disagree.

If it were true it would be a pretty sad state of affairs and not something to be proud of

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ww1 was when we stoped being a collony and became a nation

This is patently untrue - and has nothing to do with NZ's involvement in either war

http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealandInBrief/GovernmentAndNation/2/en

[MSTRS]

wether you like it or not, new zealand (& australia) gained a lot of their identity in the wars, ww1 was when we stoped being a collony and became a nation


This is patently untrue - and has nothing to do with NZ's involvement in either war


Did you miss this bit?

New Zealand took an individual stance in world affairs only slowly. One small but significant step came in 1919 when the prime minister, William Massey, signed the Treaty of Versailles, which ended the First World War. Previously British prime ministers had signed such major international treaties for New Zealand. The pen Massey used is on display in Parliament Buildings in Wellington.
It is generally accepted that WW1 was a watershed for NZ in terms of 'nationhood'. Previously, Britain still 'pulled the strings'. The disaster that was Gallipoli was most definitely a spur to continue to support Britain but on OUR terms.

[ynot slow]

Possibly one reasonable good thing out of Gallipolli was Churchill didn't quite stuff it up 2nd time round with battle of Britain.

[Mom]

Go to any small town in NZ and find the War Memorial and have a read of the names on it. Some families lost many members. That fact alone needs remembering, the families left behind to cope without fathers and brothers.

I attend and play at ANZAC comemorations because I respect and acknowledge the sacrifices that were made by so many so that I can live the way I do today. I go to honour those men that died and to say the time honoured words, "we will remember them".

I play Last Post at RSA members funerals, to honour them. I love making old men cry.

How anyone can think that ANZAC Day is pro war is beyond me. They have no respect. Ignorance is what it is.

Hope I never come across one of these idiots. I am not even a Kiwi (go figure that).

[MSTRS]

How anyone can think that ANZAC Day is pro war is beyond me. They have no respect. Ignorance is what it is.


Conshies is what they is. And back in '14 we knew just how to deal with that sort.
They really have no idea, eh??

[Mom]

Conshies is what they is. And back in '14 we knew just how to deal with that sort.
They really have no idea, eh??

None!

Imagine thinking this (I am not going to dignify the poster by quoting him)

"Secondly, ANZAC day IS pro-war, if it were anti-war we would be saying "Those poor souls, we should have never gone to war in the first place. Such a waste."
instead of
"We honour the people that fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy today.""

We should never have gone to war in the first place?

Ignorance! Pure, simple ignorance!

Worst it seems some that are spouting this particular brand of stupidity are our future leaders. WANKERS!

[Lias]

in this case the word you are looking for is: "principle"

You are indeed correct sir.. the BDOTGNZA will be after me now.. eeek! :Oops:

[Lias]

Worst it seems some that are spouting this particular brand of stupidity are our future leaders. WANKERS!

Not as long as I have the right to vote or failing that a good rifle.

[Ocean1]

Interesting to note, services are getting more and more attendance, especially by families, I wonder why?


It's the biscuits.

[Katman]

After reading my granddad's diary (he fought in Italy in '45-'46)

If he was still fighting in '46 it was probably just a pub brawl.