Advice wanted from Nats racers please....

[Tony.OK]

Ok I'm really wanting to have a crack at these Nats, if only just once.
I'm liking the look of the proposed new Privateers Cup SBK class as it seems to be a great entry level for an expensive class.
Am not racing through winter to try and get enough dosh to upgrade to the new 1000rr as my susp and hopefully wheels will transfer straight over.

What I'd like to hear from you guys that have done it are a few/many of the costs involved.

Being a norf islander the travel and 3 1/2 weeks of being down south will cost how much? Practise days, race fee's etc.

At this stage I'd prob be going it alone so is that possible?

Do people group together to save on accomodation etc?

Tyres would be a big cost I know, am assuming I can get away with 1 rear per race day, and hopefully it'll be good enough for a test/track learning day as well.

Are people willing to share pit sheds during the Nats, or are they more team only focused during the series?

Am I wrong thinking to even do it on the cheap I'd be looking at around 20k for the whole Nationals? I'm prepared to dig a fairly large hole just to say I've had a go. Otherwise I'd always wonder if I could've done any good.

Hopefully I'll get somewhere with this elusive sponsorship thing along the way there:crazy:

Can I ask for serious replies please.....................oh wait nearly forgot where I was.............KB:Oops:

[CHOPPA]

It can be done on the cheap! Dave Manuel did it last year on an absolute shoe string and did real well, he would have done better if not for a luge accident...

Have a chat to me next time you see me ill give you a full break down cause i kept every reciept ;)

[slowpoke]

Good luck with it mate, I reckon it would be a great adventure if you can swing it.

I'm hoping to do a round or two in Clubman's down South next year, just to experience the tracks, but no doubt work will put the kibosh on doing the whole lot.

[Grey Beard]

It is great to see another rider looking at doing the Nationals,

But before you commit to anything, check there is a Nationals to attend.

With Paul Stewart and the rest of the NZSBK team pulling out, there will probably be no Series as such. Without Paul, the Sponsors will go. So although the Clubs will probably run the meetings, there will be NO TV etc.

It is looking like Road Racing is about to go backwards by five or ten years.:angry:

Ask someone who was there back then, like Trevor Heaphy or Paul Pavletich.

Why you are at it, you might like to asked them WHY this has Happened:bash:

[Tony.OK]

It can be done on the cheap! Dave Manuel did it last year on an absolute shoe string and did real well, he would have done better if not for a luge accident...

Have a chat to me next time you see me ill give you a full break down cause i kept every reciept ;)
Cheers bro, will hopefully get to a meeting to harass ya during winter.

Good luck with it mate, I reckon it would be a great adventure if you can swing it.

I'm hoping to do a round or two in Clubman's down South next year, just to experience the tracks, but no doubt work will put the kibosh on doing the whole lot.
Cmon mate, lets do it...............I'll buy the new tyres and you can buy them used off me:whistle:

It is great to see another rider looking at doing the Nationals,

But before you commit to anything, check there is a Nationals to attend.

With Paul Stewart and the rest of the NZSBK team pulling out, there will probably be no Series as such. Without Paul, the Sponsors will go. So although the Clubs will probably run the meetings, there will be NO TV etc.

It is looking like Road Racing is about to go backwards by five or ten years.:angry:

Ask someone who was there back then, like Trevor Heaphy or Paul Pavletich.

Why you are at it, you might like to asked them WHY this has Happened:bash:

Jeebus...................I'm 36 now, don't think I can wait 10 years, zimmer frame class anyone:whistle:

[slowpoke]

Cheers bro, will hopefully get to a meeting to harass ya during winter.

Cmon mate, lets do it...............I'll buy the new tyres and you can buy them used off me:whistle:

That sounds like a fuggin' good plan actually, if we're quick they won't even have a chance to cool down.

Jeebus...................I'm 36 now, don't think I can wait 10 years, zimmer frame class anyone:whistle:

36? I'm closer to 46 than I am 36, ya cheeky coont! Put your helmet on the same way you wear your cap and lets see how fast you are then young fullah......

[Billy]

It is great to see another rider looking at doing the Nationals,

But before you commit to anything, check there is a Nationals to attend.

With Paul Stewart and the rest of the NZSBK team pulling out, there will probably be no Series as such. Without Paul, the Sponsors will go. So although the Clubs will probably run the meetings, there will be NO TV etc.

It is looking like Road Racing is about to go backwards by five or ten years.:angry:

Ask someone who was there back then, like Trevor Heaphy or Paul Pavletich.

Why you are at it, you might like to asked them WHY this has Happened:bash:
Yip,I heard the same thing,However thats not necessarily a bad thing for anyone who wants to do the series for the first time as it could cut costs if the clubs only run their meetings as glorified club days maybe the trackhire would be cheaper leading to lower entry fees and if you could get a couple of days racing at each track on the cheap before returning the following year for a serious crack at a title then youd be so much better prepared

[tas152]

36? I'm closer to 46 than I am 36, ya cheeky coont! Put your helmet on the same way you wear your cap and lets see how fast you are then young fullah......

36 Pffft, 46 Pffft. I'm 54 and did all the National rounds this year for the first time, so whats your hurry :eek5: Sure I was only on a Pro-Twin but WTF :whistle:

IF you really want to do it then DO IT. It was brilliant and a massive learning experience.

I'll be living in ChCh by the time the Nationals come around next year so I may possibly be able to help with accommodation etc... No promises but I'm happy to help any keen racer where I can.

I'll be at VMCC Round 1 in Taupo if you want to have a chat. Look for #71.

[Danger Dave]

i'll be doing nationals for the first time this year as well and would be happy to help splitting costs.

[Tony.OK]

Yip,I heard the same thing,However thats not necessarily a bad thing for anyone who wants to do the series for the first time as it could cut costs if the clubs only run their meetings as glorified club days maybe the trackhire would be cheaper leading to lower entry fees and if you could get a couple of days racing at each track on the cheap before returning the following year for a serious crack at a title then youd be so much better prepared
Crack at the title next year?.................thats the plan for Prod SBK THIS YEAR!!! gotta go for it aye:woohoo:

36 Pffft, 46 Pffft. I'm 54 and did all the National rounds this year for the first time, so whats your hurry :eek5: Sure I was only on a Pro-Twin but WTF :whistle:

IF you really want to do it then DO IT. It was brilliant and a massive learning experience.

I'll be living in ChCh by the time the Nationals come around next year so I may possibly be able to help with accommodation etc... No promises but I'm happy to help any keen racer where I can.

I'll be at VMCC Round 1 in Taupo if you want to have a chat. Look for #71.

Cheers mate..................Doing it has been all I can think about lately, buggar the debt, life's too short for regrets.
I like my eggs runny for brekkie by the way:whistle:

[tas152]

Cheers mate..................Doing it has been all I can think about lately, buggar the debt, life's too short for regrets.

Ah... I see you've got the sickness :crazy: ... and there's only one cure :ride:... you know it :yes:


...I like my eggs runny for brekkie by the way:whistle:

Poached or Fried?

[Marknz]

and I thought I was a late starter at 42?!

[k14]

Even though its 3 weekends of racing you usually can get away with 2 weeks and 5 or 4 days down here. Save on accomodation and time off work. If you are doing it yourself you are probably up against it. Not sure how much it will cost you but I budget $7-8k to do the whole nationals on my 125, but I have no idea how much extra it would cost to do it on a thou.

There are only pit sheds at Ruapuna, yeah people share them, they aren't very expensive, iirc $50 a day. So $75 for two people for a weekend, wouldn't want to fit much more than 2 bikes in one. The other tracks you're outside, they have a good setup though so long as you have an ezup or something such.

[Shaun]

It is great to see another rider looking at doing the Nationals,

But before you commit to anything, check there is a Nationals to attend.

With Paul Stewart and the rest of the NZSBK team pulling out, there will probably be no Series as such. Without Paul, the Sponsors will go. So although the Clubs will probably run the meetings, there will be NO TV etc.

It is looking like Road Racing is about to go backwards by five or ten years.:angry:

Ask someone who was there back then, like Trevor Heaphy or Paul Pavletich.

Why you are at it, you might like to asked them WHY this has Happened:bash:



How about "WE ALL WITH THINGS TO SAY" Keep our Political opinions in there own posting sctions eh, this guy does need us to remind him of how bad things have become, what he and others really need is for us OLD buggers to help sought the poo out and help more of them on the track

To Quote a turd on here

Piece out

[Shaun]

Ok I'm really wanting to have a crack at these Nats, if only just once.
I'm liking the look of the proposed new Prod SBK class as it seems to be a great entry level for an expensive class.
Am not racing through winter to try and get enough dosh to upgrade to the new 1000rr as my susp and hopefully wheels will transfer straight over.

What I'd like to hear from you guys that have done it are a few/many of the costs involved.

Being a norf islander the travel and 3 1/2 weeks of being down south will cost how much? Practise days, race fee's etc.

At this stage I'd prob be going it alone so is that possible?

Do people group together to save on accomodation etc?

Tyres would be a big cost I know, am assuming I can get away with 1 rear per race day, and hopefully it'll be good enough for a test/track learning day as well.

Are people willing to share pit sheds during the Nats, or are they more team only focused during the series?

Am I wrong thinking to even do it on the cheap I'd be looking at around 20k for the whole Nationals? I'm prepared to dig a fairly large hole just to say I've had a go. Otherwise I'd always wonder if I could've done any good.

Hopefully I'll get somewhere with this elusive sponsorship thing along the way there:crazy:

Can I ask for serious replies please.....................oh wait nearly forgot where I was.............KB:Oops:


Get Choppa,s finace costing break down Tony! It will be accurate!

You know that
you have my support in what you are doing, so closer to the time, lets talk!

I know you are looked after well with your Conti Tyre deals, so that is a very good start.

[tas152]

Keep in mind that you can camp at Teretonga and Timaru. Don't know about Ruapuna. I didn't do that this year but probably will next. I'm not sure if you can stay all 4 night though (Thursday - Sunday). Someone else may be able to answer this.

[FROSTY]

Tony if I could give you a cost breakdown NOT including running costs -yours will be different from mine My last nats cost me (including my crews contribution) $10000. I think the major difference for you will be tyres.
One suggestion for you is not to stop racing completely. Even if you bludge a ride on a F3 bike it will keep your race fitness up to scratch.
That or trackdays might help. The 10-15 lappers after the 6 lap sprints you're used to will be hard yakka.
Not saying you MUST Just saying it will hugely improve your enjoyment of the nats if you are race fit.

[Tony.OK]

Ah... I see you've got the sickness :crazy: ... and there's only one cure :ride:... you know it :yes:



Poached or Fried?
I've learnt from being married to be grateful and accept what evers put on offer hahaa

and I thought I was a late starter at 42?!
Ahh but theres something special about the # 42:yes:

Even though its 3 weekends of racing you usually can get away with 2 weeks and 5 or 4 days down here. Save on accomodation and time off work. If you are doing it yourself you are probably up against it. Not sure how much it will cost you but I budget $7-8k to do the whole nationals on my 125, but I have no idea how much extra it would cost to do it on a thou.

There are only pit sheds at Ruapuna, yeah people share them, they aren't very expensive, iirc $50 a day. So $75 for two people for a weekend, wouldn't want to fit much more than 2 bikes in one. The other tracks you're outside, they have a good setup though so long as you have an ezup or something such.
Thanks man, thats the kind of stuff I need to know not ever having been down there.

How about "WE ALL WITH THINGS TO SAY" Keep our Political opinions in there own posting sctions eh, this guy does need us to remind him of how bad things have become, what he and others really need is for us OLD buggers to help sought the poo out and help more of them on the track

To Quote a turd on here

Piece out
Gotta admit......................you baby boomers have alot to answer for:Oops:

Get Choppa,s finace costing break down Tony! It will be accurate!

You know that
you have my support in what you are doing, so closer to the time, lets talk!

I know you are looked after well with your Conti Tyre deals, so that is a very good start.
Thanks Shaun.................................err better not look at my signature, had a wee change there. Had an offer too good to pass on.

Tony if I could give you a cost breakdown NOT including running costs -yours will be different from mine My last nats cost me (including my crews contribution) $10000. I think the major difference for you will be tyres.
One suggestion for you is not to stop racing completely. Even if you bludge a ride on a F3 bike it will keep your race fitness up to scratch.
That or trackdays might help. The 10-15 lappers after the 6 lap sprints you're used to will be hard yakka.
Not saying you MUST Just saying it will hugely improve your enjoyment of the nats if you are race fit.

I'm with you there Mr Frosty.......................I think thats the key to staying bike fit, trouble is there's not the funds to do both at the moment, will be putting some bars on a sawhorse to keep the body bent the right way lol.
Will try to get some time at testdays as those sessions are longer than most races.

[Shaun]

I've learnt from being married to be grateful and accept what evers put on offer hahaa

Ahh but theres something special about the # 42:yes:

Thanks man, thats the kind of stuff I need to know not ever having been down there.

Gotta admit......................you baby boomers have alot to answer for:Oops:

Thanks Shaun.................................err better not look at my signature, had a wee change there. Had an offer too good to pass on.


I'm with you there Mr Frosty.......................I think thats the key to staying bike fit, trouble is there's not the funds to do both at the moment, will be putting some bars on a sawhorse to keep the body bent the right way lol.
Will try to get some time at testdays as those sessions are longer than most races.


O well, that is your choice dude, just PISS of in future then and do not ask me any questions hahaha:Oops:



PS, who is Metzeler helping to sell there tyres with race craft and set up advice for the customer mate?


Nah, I will still help ya mate if needed, you display a great attitude for others to learn from I think.

[BJT666]

Great Thread people keep up all the positiveness.

It is great to see people helping each other.

Maybe we could start a thread with contacts etc.

I will be chasing up the Guy who offered cheap "Cook Straight" crossings at Pukekohe

[Maido]

As most who do nats down the southern end of the country know, but if we can help (Southland Honda) with things like tyres changed or workshop space while your here, let us know. Plus if you need hotels etc down here i can point you towards the better ones.

[Sparky Bills]

Im currantly doing the same thing tony.
Maybe we could put our heads together and sort something out.
Myself and a mate are looking at doing the nats this year. Just comes down to how i go financially this year.

[tas152]

Great Thread people keep up all the positiveness.

It is great to see people helping each other.

Maybe we could start a thread with contacts etc.

I will be chasing up the Guy who offered cheap "Cook Straight" crossings at Pukekohe

Colating all information on Who, What, How, When & Why regarding the Road Race Nationals is a classic application for a web site... :yes:

oh wait ....... wasn't "The Chow" looking into that :whistle:

[Two Smoker]

You can do it on the cheap for 20 grand all up! Its the crashes that kick the budget out. Have a chat to choppa. I budget for around 30 grand for racing a 600. Over a third of that is on tyres... Or around 4500-5000 a race weekend.

[FROSTY]

I actually had a thought years ago about a bunch of guys mounting a Nationals assault. What would happen if say 6 or 8 guys regardless of their race class got together and rented a 40 foot container for a month.
All the bikes and equipment strapped in there then a 40 foot long tarp inside to run off the side.--container gets delivered to the track say on wendsday and ready made pits and secure bike storage.

[cowpoos]

new 1000rr

Without trying to be a smart arse...get a R1 or GSXR... proven fast bikes...where a good number of riders are helping Robert with set up data...and isusse's...and can help each other.

Look at the history of GSXR's in NZ as championship winning machines [and 2nd,3rd,4th,etc] over the years...because its a hard package to beat!

[Frenchy]

I'm with Poos on this one old boy! i hope that you do get the chance to show us what your made of!!

[brads]

Without trying to be a smart arse...get a R1 or GSXR... proven fast bikes...where a good number of riders are helping Robert with set up data...and isusse's...and can help each other.

Look at the history of GSXR's in NZ as championship winning machines [and 2nd,3rd,4th,etc] over the years...because its a hard package to beat!

Privateer class,HONDA CBR1000RR8/9 is THE bike to have.

[Tony.OK]

Without trying to be a smart arse...get a R1 or GSXR... proven fast bikes...where a good number of riders are helping Robert with set up data...and isusse's...and can help each other.

Look at the history of GSXR's in NZ as championship winning machines [and 2nd,3rd,4th,etc] over the years...because its a hard package to beat!

Yeah thats in spec'd up form mate.................Prod SBK will be stock engines, haven't had any probs despatching stock GSXR's or more powerful ones (without sounding pretentious) on my bike as yet.

The biggest reason though is that my current Ohlins susp is actually for the new Blade, be silly to sell that for half price then have to buy more at a higher price. Add to that my wheels, sprockets, HRC throttle, braided lines etc I'm nearly there.

The stock bikes are all so similar with HP now, and I know my Honda's so don't have to start from scratch.

Financially this way makes much more sense:yes:

[Tony.OK]

I'm with Poos on this one old boy! i hope that you do get the chance to show us what your made of!!

Better keep some space free at the end of the year Bro..................your on my list as my wingman:yes:

[cowpoos]

Privateer class,HONDA CBR1000RR8/9 is THE bike to have.
please do explain the pedigree of this machines abilities in NZ racing enviroment??

[Tony.OK]

please do explain the pedigree of this machines abilities in NZ racing enviroment??

http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1031160

Look at the times fella.............thats a stock engined bike Brads on

[cowpoos]

Yeah thats in spec'd up form mate.................Prod SBK will be stock engines, haven't had any probs despatching stock GSXR's or more powerful ones (without sounding pretentious) on my bike as yet.

well thats debatable for sure...




The biggest reason though is that my current Ohlins susp is actually for the new Blade, be silly to sell that for half price then have to buy more at a higher price.

you will probally find...your cartridges will be transferable to any modern thou...and shock rebuild for not much cost for any thou aswell...email robert??

and...I will bet you 3 box's of beer that the new gsxr thou [k9] will dispatch any other thou in a straight line in stock form...and spare parts will be cheaper...and more readily avalible...eg: quick throttle for a gsxr 600/750 or thou [not sure bout k9] from k4 till now is a throttle tube of a 03 r6...turns it into 1/5th turn...and you will have heaps of riders developing them...
but besides...up to you at the end of the day.

[Tony.OK]

well thats debatable for sure...

Whats debatable?

you will probally find...your cartridges will be transferable to any modern thou...and shock rebuild for not much cost for any thou aswell...email robert??
Been there done that.......not the case at all with the cartridges, and the shock would need fairly major changes equalling money.
and...I will bet you 3 box's of beer that the new gsxr thou [k9] will dispatch any other thou in a straight line in stock form...and spare parts will be cheaper...and more readily avalible...eg: quick throttle for a gsxr 600/750 or thou [not sure bout k9] from k4 till now is a throttle tube of a 03 r6...turns it into 1/5th turn...and you will have heaps of riders developing them...
but besides...up to you at the end of the day.

Lucky I don't plan to race at the drag strip then aye;)
One could argue that Suzuki's are at the top because they spend the most in getting there too.

[slowpoke]

Without trying to be a smart arse...get a R1 or GSXR... proven fast bikes...where a good number of riders are helping Robert with set up data...and isusse's...and can help each other.

Look at the history of GSXR's in NZ as championship winning machines [and 2nd,3rd,4th,etc] over the years...because its a hard package to beat!

Had we had the same rules as last year I'd tend to agree with ya 'Poos, and Mr Clee is a magician when it comes to building great bikes.

But, with much more standard bikes gridding up next season I reckon Tony (or anyone) will be fine on a CBR1000RR. It's still winning comparison tests in standard form (whatever they're worth, LOL) and that's gonna be close to what we are racing. It will be the only current bike with some set up data thanks to Craig and Hayden, whereas Yamaha and Suzuki will be debuting new models (big piston forks etc).

Edit: I type to fuggin' slow!

[cowpoos]

Lucky I don't plan to race at the drag strip then aye;)
One could argue that Suzuki's are at the top because they spend the most in getting there too.

true about the drag strip...but HP counts!!
and its probally cheaper to get HP out of a GSXR than a honda dude...HRC stuff ain't the cheapest and most readily avalible.


Had we had the same rules as last year I'd tend to agree with ya 'Poos, and Mr Clee is a magician when it comes to building great bikes.

But, with much more standard bikes gridding up next season I reckon Tony (or anyone) will be fine on a CBR1000RR. It's still winning comparison tests in standard form (whatever they're worth, LOL) and that's gonna be close to what we are racing. It will be the only current bike with some set up data thanks to Craig and Hayden, whereas Yamaha and Suzuki will be deduting new models (big piston forks etc).

Not to mention Tony's already got the suspension organised for a CBR, although it's probably bolted to his pushbike at the moment

True about the current honda boys...and I'll rest my argument at this stage by...agreeing to disagree...

and tony...I'll buy a GSXR in the next few years...and open a can of whoop arse on ya!! infact ....I'll open a can of awesome-ness aswell...and give you one awesome whooping!! then I'll remind you about this thread while I'm drinking the beer yu just brough me!! :whistle:

[brads]

please do explain the pedigree of this machines abilities in NZ racing enviroment??

Ok,I had 22 months of not riding anything,did 2 club days,1 very crowded have a go day, and got within 2.2 secs of the leaders at Teretonga nats,and if not for some injurys im sure would have done the same if not better at levels.
This was on a stock standard engine,this bike in standard form is fucking brilliant on our tracks.

[cowpoos]

Suzuki will be deduting new models (big piston forks etc).

oh....I don't think the big piston forks will be in any decent race bike worth its salt dude...they will be out within nano seconds....unless robert starts dealing in showa race kit.

[cowpoos]

Ok,I had 22 months of not riding anything,did 2 club days,1 very crowded have a go day, and got within 2.2 secs of the leaders at Teretonga nats,and if not for some injurys im sure would have done the same if not better at levels.
This was on a stock standard engine,this bike in standard foam is fucking brilliant on our tracks.
I'm out of the debate now...

ps: your probally an example of what I believe when it comes to motorsports...you either got good talent...or not!! you obviously have!!

[Tony.OK]

true about the drag strip...but HP counts!!
and its probally cheaper to get HP out of a GSXR than a honda dude...HRC stuff ain't the cheapest and most readily avalible.

Ya silly coont..........the Privateers Cup SBK class is for stock engines, no mods allowed, just pc3, slipon and suspension, Red numbers......................not to be confused with SBK open class with which it will run alongside. So HP is what it is for each bike.

True about the current honda boys...and I'll rest my argument at this stage by...agreeing to disagree...

and tony...I'll buy a GSXR in the next few years...and open a can of whoop arse on ya!! infact ....I'll open a can of awesome-ness aswell...and give you one awesome whooping!! then I'll remind you about this thread while I'm drinking the beer yu just brough me!! :whistle:

Bring it dude..................love to put peoples feet in their mouth:whistle:

[cowpoos]

Bring it dude..................love to put peoples feet in their mouth:whistle:
Its a date...I havn't been able to bite my toe nails for years!!

[Tony.OK]

Its a date...I havn't been able to bite my toe nails for years!!

Hahaa.................I hope ya clean the cow poos off 1st.

I should clarify that I was meaning the Privateers Cup SBK class is where I am intending on heading..................I got my titles backwards:Oops:

Have ya read the proposed rules farmer brown? Read the green text. Looks like a fun class:woohoo:

[Wingnut]

I'm out of the debate now...

ps: your probally an example of what I believe when it comes to motorsports...you either got good talent...or not!! you obviously have!!

Ah fark - dont tell him that!!!!!!!!!!

[Mishy]

Jeebus...................I'm 36 now, don't think I can wait 10 years, zimmer frame class anyone:whistle:

:crazy: I'd probably join you in that class ! Now, which side is the throttle on again ? :woohoo:

[cowpoos]

:crazy: I'd probably join you in that class ! Now, which side is the throttle on again ? :woohoo:
depends what way up the bike is....ask Jay ;)