Gang patches

[dpex]

It will be most interesting to see what will happen if the NZ authorities follow the Australian model of banning gang-patches.

During the fund-raising ride last weekend I counted at least sixty-three patched members of the God-squad.

One could argue that the God Squad don't commit fraud or indulge in illegal activities, therefore their patches are okay.

But, hang about. Don't the God-people offer surcease from stress by encouraging folk to believe in an invisible friend (much like many of us did when children)? Don't they assert that in such belief you will be relieved of.....make your own list here, but don't ask for any guarantees.

Hell's teeth! At least the drug-dealing, patched gangs guarantee surcease from immediate pain and stress, should one choose to indulge in their offerings, such as drugs. So, at least they're fulfilling their obligations under the Consumer Guarantee Act.

But do the God-Squadders (all patched and everything) with, 'Jesus Knows. Jesus saves. Jesus cleans your oil. Jesus moves, trees, cars, cattle, and small children from the path of motorbykilists!'

Don't they say that tithing 10% of your income to help those who are more closely connected to God (ergo the church-leaders) build small empires through which they can get even better connected, on the believer's behalf, to Him upstairs? And thus get the edge with moving all the shit out of the believer's way?

Surely, this is fraud on a grand scale!

So will the authorities pursue patched God-Squadders with the same zeal as they pursue other patched gangs?

I think not. The 'patched' gangs do illegal stuff. Apparently, promoting fairy tales about a God, and fairy tales about the next wonderful investment by Mark Bryers and his ilk, is not illegal stuff. It's just....well, it's just a part of life. Pay your money. Take your chances.

Fair enough. But I paid my money, bought an ounce of dope and took my chances. Now some lawful prick is saying I was 'consumed' by it.

But last week I was 'consumed' by the concept of God. I nearly drove off a hill just for the thrill of having Jesus and God save me.

Funny old world, eh? Peppered with irrationality and seasoned with force.

[Donor]

One could argue that the God Squad don't commit fraud or indulge in illegal activities, therefore their patches are okay.

Well, given some of the crap riding I have seen from a number of their lot (including their president) then they're as illegal as any other bunch of arrogant, self-righteous loons on two wheels wearing patches.

[Bikernereid]

I would have thought that gans having patches advertising who they are would be ga good thing...the police would be able to identify them easily!!!

As for the God squad.. I couldn't aree more. They offer the forgiveness of God but I have never seen it. They offer an eternity in heaven but have never had anyone come back and tell me about it, if heaven is that awesome wouldn't God want us to know for sure that it exists??

If I buy drugs, alcohol, cigs I know what I am getting into and it is my choice. I can see the results unlike having blind faith in God with nothing shown to prove it.

[The Lone Rider]

Sorry... but what a stupid post.

[ynot slow]

Religion-started more wars etc than anything else,cynical moir,never.

[sinfull]

That's it i'm sewing a cross on my back now ! But then i't would only be acknowledged by them of the cloth when i do a 12 oclock stoppie !
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha !
Turns the leppelin up !
Gets loose and changes it to sabbath !
Gets looser and lamb of god takes over !
3 am and who knows where too from there !
Yeah i do but who am i to say !!!

[Mom]

That's it i'm sewing a cross on my back now ! But then i't would only be acknowledged by them of the cloth when i do a 12 oclock stoppie !
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha !
Turns the leppelin up !
Gets loose and changes it to sabbath !
Gets looser and lamb of god takes over !
3 am and who knows where too from there !
Yeah i do but who am i to say !!!


You bad arse you! :oi-grr:

[McDuck]

While we are on the subject why do people assume all 'god squad' belive in the same thing?

[Mom]

While we are on the subject why do people assume all 'god squad' belive in the same thing?

Jaybus! Take this thread directly to Scotland why dont you?

[fatzx10r]

gang patches should have a big red dot in the middle of them..... somthing to aim at :whocares:

[McDuck]

Jaybus! Take this thread directly to Scotland why dont you?

Why not?

This thread is not about gangs this is about how the church is evil but he used no real base for this. So it is at home in the scotish thread?

[Solly]

Sorry... but what a stupid post.

Yep, have to agree....wtf:yawn:

[doc]

They have transported my bike twice. Second time they reckoned they couldn't fit my bike in their van unless of course I would ride the drivers supermotard to the Kiwi for them. Reluctantly I agreed, even got my foot down on one of the corners in the 3 sisters. They never even tried to beat me up and propspect for them once.
:gob:

[Racer X]

It will be most interesting to see what will happen if the NZ authorities follow the Australian model of banning gang-patches.

During the fund-raising ride last weekend I counted at least sixty-three patched members of the God-squad.

One could argue that the God Squad don't commit fraud or indulge in illegal activities, therefore their patches are okay.

But, hang about. Don't the God-people offer surcease from stress by encouraging folk to believe in an invisible friend (much like many of us did when children)? Don't they assert that in such belief you will be relieved of.....make your own list here, but don't ask for any guarantees.

Hell's teeth! At least the drug-dealing, patched gangs guarantee surcease from immediate pain and stress, should one choose to indulge in their offerings, such as drugs. So, at least they're fulfilling their obligations under the Consumer Guarantee Act.

But do the God-Squadders (all patched and everything) with, 'Jesus Knows. Jesus saves. Jesus cleans your oil. Jesus moves, trees, cars, cattle, and small children from the path of motorbykilists!'

Don't they say that tithing 10% of your income to help those who are more closely connected to God (ergo the church-leaders) build small empires through which they can get even better connected, on the believer's behalf, to Him upstairs? And thus get the edge with moving all the shit out of the believer's way?

Surely, this is fraud on a grand scale!

So will the authorities pursue patched God-Squadders with the same zeal as they pursue other patched gangs?

I think not. The 'patched' gangs do illegal stuff. Apparently, promoting fairy tales about a God, and fairy tales about the next wonderful investment by Mark Bryers and his ilk, is not illegal stuff. It's just....well, it's just a part of life. Pay your money. Take your chances.

Fair enough. But I paid my money, bought an ounce of dope and took my chances. Now some lawful prick is saying I was 'consumed' by it.

But last week I was 'consumed' by the concept of God. I nearly drove off a hill just for the thrill of having Jesus and God save me.

Funny old world, eh? Peppered with irrationality and seasoned with force.

Ahh, I don't think it's quite the same thing DPEX YOU IDIOT

[Mom]

Why not?

This thread is not about gangs this is about how the church is evil but he used no real base for this. So it is at home in the scotish thread?

Second thoughts...you are right :yes:

[sinfull]

You bad arse you! :oi-grr:
Meh blow arse maybe !! I still make noises at both ends too !!! Talk about how bad i wanna be but all ya get at the end of it is trumpet noises when i crash out at 10 !

[Dave Lobster]

Ahh, I don't think it's quite the same thing DPEX YOU IDIOT

Yeah, it is. Lies and bullshit...


I'm pretty sure this has been posted before (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1845736&postcount=29)

[jrandom]

It will be most interesting to see what will happen if the NZ authorities follow the Australian model of banning gang-patches.

They didn't ban 'gang patches'. They set up a legal structure allowing them to ban nominated 'criminal organisations'.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/650230

If an organisation / gang isn't declared to be 'criminal', then its patches and other identifying paraphernalia can be worn until the cows come home.

Presumably any law targeting gangs in NZ would work in a similar fashion.

The 'riders for Jesus' have nothing to do with any of it.

[Lias]

Well 1%ers are generally alot more fun to get on the piss with than bible bashers, so I know which lot i'd rather have outlawed!

[Hans]

Ahh, I don't think it's quite the same thing DPEX YOU IDIOT

You're right. It's not quite the same thing. The Church (Cathole-lick, Protestant, new age, take-your-pick) is MUCH, MUCH worse. While the 1% crowd may be bad, the Church is Evil.

[98tls]

I say bring on the patches,looking forward to seeing the "Red Devils" riding about,:rofl::weird::tugger:the pics posted on here were funny enough but actually seeing someone with "Red Devil" plastered on there back should well be a riot,bit of luck the first one i see will be wearing Camo gear as well just to make me pull over from stomach contractions.

[scumdog]

I say bring on the patches,looking forward to seeing the "Red Devils" riding about,:rofl::weird::tugger:the pics posted on here were funny enough but actually seeing someone with "Red Devil" plastered on there back should well be a riot,bit of luck the first one i see will be wearing Camo gear as well just to make me pull over from stomach contractions.

And the black lace-up calf length ex-army boots - or black plimsoles.:crazy:

[98tls]

And the black lace-up calf length ex-army boots - or black plimsoles.:crazy: Yep and no doubt aboard a V-knob.

[mstriumph]

You're right. It's not quite the same thing. The Church (Cathole-lick, Protestant, new age, take-your-pick) is MUCH, MUCH worse. While the 1% crowd may be bad, the Church is Evil.

HHHmmmmm
except, of course, that the church gets to define good and evil .......... :yawn:

heck, they even INVENTED evil .... :bash:

but happily you don't have to subscribe to any of their unevidenced bullshit unless you choose to


---------- back on topic for a minute ;), as i recollect it the nazis started out by isolating and demonizing the jews .... EXACTLY the course some states in australia are handling the onepercenters .....

methinks that we'd ALL better start worrying when governments start taking away basic human rights like freedom of association, even for groups that aren't mainstream

thin end of the wedge, peoples
thin end of the wedge

[Dave Lobster]

as i recollect it the nazis started out by isolating and demonizing the jews .... EXACTLY the course some states in australia are handling the onepercenters .....



Fingers crossed then that we can send all the 1%ers to someone else's bit of desert then.. :)

[98tls]

Amusing really,we live in a world thats says "fine,go ahead and stick your dick in another blokes poo chute its perfectly acceptable" then has a problem with a patch.:wacko:

[Dave Lobster]

Amusing really,we live in a world thats says "fine,go ahead and stick your dick in another blokes poo chute its perfectly acceptable" then has a problem with a patch.:wacko:

And the priest types like to stick their dicks in little boys' poo chutes.. on the moral high ground!

[Tony W]

HHHmmmmm
except, of course, that the church gets to define good and evil .......... :yawn:

heck, they even INVENTED evil .... :bash:

but happily you don't have to subscribe to any of their unevidenced bullshit unless you choose to


---------- back on topic for a minute ;), as i recollect it the nazis started out by isolating and demonizing the jews .... EXACTLY the course some states in australia are handling the onepercenters .....

methinks that we'd ALL better start worrying when governments start taking away basic human rights like freedom of association, even for groups that aren't mainstream

thin end of the wedge, peoples
thin end of the wedge

Are you equating Jews to criminals ?

[Dave Lobster]

Are you equating Jews to criminals ?

Do they cross the centre line??

[98tls]

Are you equating Jews to criminals ? Depends on time n place i guess,many German soldiers returning from WW1 called them that and worse for what they saw as well dodgy dealings,anyway back on topic...........

[98tls]

Do they cross the centre line?? No idea but baggage.........every time at check in,so much baggage.:angry2::calm:

[JMemonic]

Didnt New Zealand enact a law a few years back that gave them the ability classify gangs if they were involved in criminal activities as illegal and ban them?

[Tony W]

Depends on time n place i guess,many German soldiers returning from WW1 called them that and worse for what they saw as well dodgy dealings,anyway back on topic...........


I think in the poster's context, the Jews are perceived as victims.
Criminal gangs are criminals, not victims.

[Burtha]

Didnt New Zealand enact a law a few years back that gave them the ability classify gangs if they were involved in criminal activities as illegal and ban them?

Yip - refer to Jrandom's post on page 2.

Personally I was born a roman catholic and went to boarding school with nuns so guess which side I came out on - rebelious is mildly put.

I also dislike illegal gangs - been there, done it, got over it.

So wear patches, will help me identify who you are when I'm driving around in my car ... :devil2::shifty:

[mstriumph]

Are you equating Jews to criminals ?

!!!???

...... are YOU saying that the nazis were right to isolate, demonise and exterminate them?

....... or are you saying that ALL 1percenters are criminals?

...... or, mebbe you are saying that it's valid for society as a whole to turn on a particular group because they don't 'conform' to mainstream 'norms' [eg they dress differently, speak differently or have different customs or beliefs?]??

wise up ... when you hear officialdom bleating on about the 'badness' of ANY group it's time to man the barricades ... because sooner or later they'll be looking to strip the folk in YOUR group of their basic freedoms and human rights too

'Benevolent Government, dedicated to the good of the people' is now, always was and ever will be as much of a myth as santa

[scumdog]

Funny how 1%ers are not exactly one percent of those accepting money from the tax-payer eh?:whistle:

Legal aid
Hospitals
Benefits

You name it.;)

[Dave Lobster]

You name it.;)

Bail applications?

[Tony W]

!!!???



....... or are you saying that ALL 1percenters are criminals?




.......Yes.

[mstriumph]

right
in the same way as all politicians are honest
and all priests are without sin
:yes:

[peasea]

It will be most interesting to see what will happen if the NZ authorities follow the Australian model of banning gang-patches.

During the fund-raising ride last weekend I counted at least sixty-three patched members of the God-squad.

One could argue that the God Squad don't commit fraud or indulge in illegal activities, therefore their patches are okay.

But, hang about. Don't the God-people offer surcease from stress by encouraging folk to believe in an invisible friend (much like many of us did when children)? Don't they assert that in such belief you will be relieved of.....make your own list here, but don't ask for any guarantees.

Hell's teeth! At least the drug-dealing, patched gangs guarantee surcease from immediate pain and stress, should one choose to indulge in their offerings, such as drugs. So, at least they're fulfilling their obligations under the Consumer Guarantee Act.

But do the God-Squadders (all patched and everything) with, 'Jesus Knows. Jesus saves. Jesus cleans your oil. Jesus moves, trees, cars, cattle, and small children from the path of motorbykilists!'

Don't they say that tithing 10% of your income to help those who are more closely connected to God (ergo the church-leaders) build small empires through which they can get even better connected, on the believer's behalf, to Him upstairs? And thus get the edge with moving all the shit out of the believer's way?

Surely, this is fraud on a grand scale!

So will the authorities pursue patched God-Squadders with the same zeal as they pursue other patched gangs?

I think not. The 'patched' gangs do illegal stuff. Apparently, promoting fairy tales about a God, and fairy tales about the next wonderful investment by Mark Bryers and his ilk, is not illegal stuff. It's just....well, it's just a part of life. Pay your money. Take your chances.

Fair enough. But I paid my money, bought an ounce of dope and took my chances. Now some lawful prick is saying I was 'consumed' by it.

But last week I was 'consumed' by the concept of God. I nearly drove off a hill just for the thrill of having Jesus and God save me.

Funny old world, eh? Peppered with irrationality and seasoned with force.

Oh My Fucking Gawd! A half-sensible humanoid on KB! I don't freaking believe it . You must ride a Harley! Oh crap..........no he doesn't. Never mind, he looks sensible enough to be transformed....

You're not a cop tho' are you? Couldn't cope with that.

[peasea]

Funny how 1%ers are not exactly one percent of those accepting money from the tax-payer eh?:whistle:

Legal aid
Hospitals
Benefits

You name it.;)

No; you're the fucking expert, you name it.
Stat's please >>>>>>>>

Ya fuckin expert you.

[Tony W]

right
in the same way as all politicians are honest
and all priests are without sin
:yes:

Are you an apologist for the 1 percenters ?

[peasea]

right
in the same way as all politicians are honest
and all priests are without sin
:yes:

The catholic church will sink without....

.........without boy-an-cy

Religion, not money, is the root of all evil.

[P38]

Kiss wearing your Gang Patch in public good bye.

It's only a matter of time before more councils look to enacting this law.

A law allowing local authorities in Wanganui to ban gang patches has been passed by Parliament tonight.

The local Bill, in the name of Wanganui MP Chester Borrows, passed its third reading by 62 votes to 59.
http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=99805&fm=psp,tsf

Wonder who will poilce this............. Parking Wardens?

[mstriumph]

Are you an apologist for the 1 percenters ?

actually, i was taking the piss

i'm an apologist for nothing and no-one ........ not even fatheads who 'judge' others on the way they dress, who they associate with .... erm - their religion - the colour of their skin .... need i go on?

[grogan]

What are the local authorities going to define as a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Manawatu Riders" patch will they think I'm a part of a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Wellington HOG" patch does that mean I'm now in a "gang" if I ride through Wangavegas ? Where do they draw the line ? I guess the devil will be in the detail with this legislation.

[peasea]

I say bring on the patches,looking forward to seeing the "Red Devils" riding about,:rofl::weird::tugger:the pics posted on here were funny enough but actually seeing someone with "Red Devil" plastered on there back should well be a riot,bit of luck the first one i see will be wearing Camo gear as well just to make me pull over from stomach contractions.

You know them do ya?

I can point to some very, very cool motorcycle stuff that they've produced. It takes some tenacity to do that shit and as for camo; well, it only goes so far. Both ways.

You can rofl on kb, as I can. A bit of a riot can happen anywhere, complete with contractions.

[mstriumph]

The catholic church will sink without....

.........without boy-an-cy

Religion, not money, is the root of all evil.



hmmmmmmm that gives us a whole new slant on 'the root' of all evil, doesn't it :wacko:

[FJRider]

What are the local authorities going to define as a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Manawatu Riders" patch will they think I'm a part of a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Wellington HOG" patch does that mean I'm now in a "gang" if I ride through Wangavegas ? Where do they draw the line ? I guess the devil will be in the detail with this legislation.

The decision will be made in that regard, by the "enforcing authority" ... ie. Police. Unless they are as dumb, as some on site may suggest ... I doubt if you will have any worries.

[peasea]

What are the local authorities going to define as a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Manawatu Riders" patch will they think I'm a part of a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Wellington HOG" patch does that mean I'm now in a "gang" if I ride through Wangavegas ? Where do they draw the line ? I guess the devil will be in the detail with this legislation.

I reckon that the biggest problem is, as you suggest, in the definition of 'gang'.

HOG

Ulysses

Police......

Which is the gang?

I wrote to my MP on this fine point and guess what? Nothing, that'ts what.

I got no definition at all, so it's all open-ended and limp.

There's nothing to suggest that anything will change anytime soon.

Go to bed.

[P38]

Theres no going back now.

I suspect the bylaw will detail a list of banned Gang Patches.

After they have trained all the Meter Maids/ Parking Wardens etc and placed all the relevant signage then they may start to enforce this law.

I also think this will cause a landslide of applications from other councils once one or two succesfull prosecutions have taken place.

Interestingly this law does not cover Gang Colours or Tattoos.

Probally wont accomplish much by itself cos most gang members dont wear there patches in public now. Guess they prefer to keep a low profile.

But I'm pretty sure this is just the begining for the Gangs.

People in NZ seem to have had enough of Gangs and politicians will be studying Whats happening in Oz.

Watch this space .... could get interesting.

[Tony W]

actually, i was taking the piss



Well in that case I would just like to add that...

-1%s are a group of motorcycle enthusiasts, in the same way as...

the Mongrel Mob is a group of dog fanciers ... and...

Black Power is an energy supply company ! :msn-wink:

[Motu]

Back in the day it came under ''Unlawful Assembly'' - the legislation brought in to control gangs.As far as motorcycles were concerned - it was considered an Unlawful Assembly if more than 4 motorcycles were riding together at one time (I think,may have been more than 3).The only motorcyclists who rode in groups of more than 4 were usually considered motorcycle gang members.You would be stopped,for sure.We rode in staggered groups.

I don't know if that law was repealed - easy to apply an existing law.So how many are on your group rides? Are you a gang?

[avgas]

all those groups are gangs.

ban em all i say.
Even the devonport yacht club

[peasea]

Well in that case I would just like to add that...

-1%s are a group of motorcycle enthusiasts, in the same way as...

the Mongrel Mob is a group of dog fanciers ... and...

Black Power is an energy supply company ! :msn-wink:

Erm!

The term 1%er came about through the non-conformist faction of the AMA, meaning that 99% conformed to the AMA's rules and 1% did not. It's grown from there.

Some motorcycle clubs formed that were 'non-conformist' and therefore 1%ers. A barrier (if you like) has formed that seperates 1%ers from mainstream (if you like) bikers. However, in a democratic society all should be allowed to exist in peace, to "do their own thing in their own time".

Sorry if that sounds too simplistic.

[peasea]

The DYC eh?

I can remember when all they did was make vinegar, and look at them now!

[Dave Lobster]

all those groups are gangs.

ban em all i say.
Even the devonport yacht club

Have gangs taken over all the yacht clubs now??

[JimO]

The decision will be made in that regard, by the "enforcing authority" ... ie. Police. Unless they are as dumb, as some on site may suggest ... I doubt if you will have any worries.

hmmmmmmm? whats going to happen, johnny pakaha wandering along with his hog patch on gets stopped and given a battoning or a group of large indigenous fellows sporting their black mongrel power mob regalia just fly past untouched.........thinks of the scene in once were warriers when the Toa gang goes past the cop car with no consequences

[Headbanger]

Its fucking bullshit.

Fuckers should be locked up or hounded out of town for their criminal activities, who gives a fuck what they wear. Those that they are targeting love being outlaws wtf is another weak law?

[Maha]

This group could be considered very very dangerous and intimidating

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=97956

[sinfull]

I wear a "Manawatu Riders" patch will they think I'm a part of a "gang" ?
.
The Manawatu riders have a bullseye now ? Wow ! How long would one need to bitch for em to earn that ?

[rosie631]

Well in that case I would just like to add that...

-1%s are a group of motorcycle enthusiasts, in the same way as...

the Mongrel Mob is a group of dog fanciers ... and...

Black Power is an energy supply company ! :msn-wink:

I don't think you can classify them all like that. I have a few mates who used to be in the gang scene years ago. They have all grown up and moved on from that now but they all still have bikes and ride heaps. Maybe there are a few who just buy a bike to join a gang e.g Taco Bell but most are real motorcycle enthusiasts.

[coffeejunkie]

It's funny really cuz the "gangs" have been around for along time and i dear say they will be here for sometime yet.
I live in Porirua which is basicly "mob" turf, I know several of the "older" guys(from work) and they either wear their patches inside out or leave them in the car when at the supermarket or in the mall. I also have an uncle who is a satan slave, I know afew of the tyrants from levin, A couple of the mothers and afew others.
Now the problem isn't the gangs.....It's just afew like Mob and black power and truth be told it's not the "older guys" it's these cock sucking jumped up wannabe newbies. They are the ones that are gunna have a problem with the ban. I have spoken to afew of the older guys and they are fine with it all. I guess only time will tell aye

[Nasty]

What are the local authorities going to define as a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Manawatu Riders" patch will they think I'm a part of a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Wellington HOG" patch does that mean I'm now in a "gang" if I ride through Wangavegas ? Where do they draw the line ? I guess the devil will be in the detail with this legislation.


have you read the draft legislation? Maybe that would be the place for your to start. That way you don't ask questions you can state if I do this .. blah blah ...

[grogan]

have you read the draft legislation? Maybe that would be the place for your to start. That way you don't ask questions you can state if I do this .. blah blah ...

Thanks for your advice - I feel maintained and fulfilled as a result. :crazy:
Maybe you could read if for us and come back with the highlights :wacko:

[Nasty]

Thanks for your advice - I feel maintained and fulfilled as a result. :crazy:
Maybe you could read if for us and come back with the highlights :wacko:

It was a simple question .. I am not trying to "maintain" you or "fulfil" you .. if you can't do your own shit don't expect the rest of the world to do it for you.

[grogan]

It was a simple question .. I am not trying to "maintain" you or "fulfil" you .. if you can't do your own shit don't expect the rest of the world to do it for you.
Any more Zen Wisdom you would like to share with the forum whilst you get off-topic buddy ? :Offtopic:

[dpex]

Why not?

This thread is not about gangs this is about how the church is evil but he used no real base for this. So it is at home in the scotish thread?

Fair enough. Here's a great lead to a real base which clearly shows the entire concept of Jesus is a giant fraud created by the Catholic Church, which has raked in untold billions of dollars and perpetrated genocide on untold numbers, all in the name of a character created from the imaginations of Catholic novelists, circa 5BC.

But that's just the Catholic Church. The rest are no better because they promote the same fraud and relieve billions of frightened souls of billions of dollars, annually. And so, it follows that those who wear patches proclaiming 'God,etc' are the foot-soldiers of the primary fraudsters and, therefore, are a part of various 'gangs' operating with criminal intent.....given that false representation and fraud are crimes.

Should you remain in any doubt, go to this link.


http://www.luigicascioli.eu/traduzioni/en_1.htm

Here's a small example of what is to be found.

...a quote by Eusebius, Constantine’s chief Christian scholar is most revealing: “it will be necessary sometimes to use falsehood as a remedy for the benefit of those who require such a mode of treatment.” (The Preparation of the Gospel, volume 2, page 619) Eusebius is considered the Father of Church History.

[mstriumph]

Well in that case I would just like to add that...

-1%s are a group of motorcycle enthusiasts, in the same way as...

the Mongrel Mob is a group of dog fanciers ... and...

Black Power is an energy supply company ! :msn-wink:

.......... thought the MM drove old cars, not bikes?

[dpex]

Funny how 1%ers are not exactly one percent of those accepting money from the tax-payer eh?:whistle:

Legal aid
Hospitals
Benefits

You name it.;)

Scum, I fully appreciate you're a road-roving version of the Laughing Policeman, but I'm curious about something upon which you might be able to cast some light.

We all know these lay-abouts in the gangs have access to vast amounts of illegally gained money. So why doesn't the 'system' get stuck into them using the vast array of existing laws.

Surely, unless Herbert The Horrible can clearly demonstrate the source of the money enabling him to own and ride a $30K Harley, said bike can be removed under the 'Proceeds Of Crime' Act? So why don't the cops use such methods?

BTW: Big sads for you guys. Constable Snee seems to have been one hell of a nice guy.

[scumdog]

Scum, I fully appreciate you're a road-roving version of the Laughing Policeman, but I'm curious about something upon which you might be able to cast some light.

We all know these lay-abouts in the gangs have access to vast amounts of illegally gained money. So why doesn't the 'system' get stuck into them using the vast array of existing laws.

Surely, unless Herbert The Horrible can clearly demonstrate the source of the money enabling him to own and ride a $30K Harley, said bike can be removed under the 'Proceeds Of Crime' Act? So why don't the cops use such methods?

BTW: Big sads for you guys. Constable Snee seems to have been one hell of a nice guy.

Privacy Law.
And accounts in other names.

Just for starters.

Oh, and soft-cock politicians who could do something but don't mainly.

[McDuck]

Fair enough. Here's a great lead to a real base which clearly shows the entire concept of Jesus is a giant fraud created by the Catholic Church, which has raked in untold billions of dollars and perpetrated genocide on untold numbers, all in the name of a character created from the imaginations of Catholic novelists, circa 5BC.

But that's just the Catholic Church. The rest are no better because they promote the same fraud and relieve billions of frightened souls of billions of dollars, annually. And so, it follows that those who wear patches proclaiming 'God,etc' are the foot-soldiers of the primary fraudsters and, therefore, are a part of various 'gangs' operating with criminal intent.....given that false representation and fraud are crimes.

Should you remain in any doubt, go to this link.


http://www.luigicascioli.eu/traduzioni/en_1.htm

Here's a small example of what is to be found.

...a quote by Eusebius, Constantine’s chief Christian scholar is most revealing: “it will be necessary sometimes to use falsehood as a remedy for the benefit of those who require such a mode of treatment.” (The Preparation of the Gospel, volume 2, page 619) Eusebius is considered the Father of Church History.

So? There is plenty of evidence that the bible is correct. The bible has been proved right through things like the finding of the ark (as in ship built by Noah) as well as many other fore filled predictions.

I will find some proof and get back to you.

Yes Many bad things have been done by the church but equally good things have been done. Just because you guys are so blind to see past the bad things to the good dosnt mean the truth isnt real.

[Headbanger]

I will find some proof and get back to you.


LMFAO.

While your going about finding the ark how about looking into the flood that covered the entire world and the loading of two of every animal onto a boat.

[Dave Lobster]

I will find some proof and get back to you.


Any 12th Century shroud should be evidence enough to convince most people.

Maybe a dinosaur or two, to prove the world is only 4000 years old.

You've got me.. where do I sign?

[short-circuit]

Oh, and soft-cock politicians who could do something but don't mainly.

Pardon? You mean to tell me that the parliamentary boys in blue are no more "tough on crime" than their opposition? What a surprise

[McDuck]

Any 12th Century shroud should be evidence enough to convince most people.

Maybe a dinosaur or two, to prove the world is only 4000 years old.

You've got me.. where do I sign?

A year is a veryiable thing, what is to say waht we know as a year now was only a day 3000 years ago?

[Dave Lobster]

A year is a veryiable thing, what is to say waht we know as a year now was only a day 3000 years ago?

Heh heh. That's funny.

Because the earth's orbit size hasn't changed, that's what. And despite the church's objections to the earth being round, and it orbiting the sun, that's the way it is.

[McDuck]

Because the earth's orbit size hasn't changed, that's what. And despite the church's objections to the earth being round, and it orbiting the sun, that's the way it was created.

BTW The word dinosoure was not coined till a few hundred years after the first translations of the bible were done and the name has never changed but in job ch 40 vrs 15-24 it quotes
15 "Look at the behemoth, [i]
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.

16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!

17 His tail [j] sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.

18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron.

19 He ranks first among the works of God,
yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.

20 The hills bring him their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.

21 Under the lotus plants he lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.

22 The lotuses conceal him in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround him.

23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed;
he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth.

24 Can anyone capture him by the eyes, [k]
or trap him and pierce his nose?

[Dave Lobster]

So... if the people that wrote the bible were familiar with dinosaurs, one has to agree that they're familar with fossils (and other evidence), seeing as human shape animals weren't around for millions of years after the dinosaurs were extinct.. why do they think (and promote the idea) that evolution is one big scam?

[Headbanger]

BTW The word dinosoure was not coined till a few hundred years after the first translations of the bible were done and the name has never changed but in job ch 40 vrs 15-24 it quotes

Doesn't sound like a dinosaur to me, In fact like most things in that book its so vague as to be meaningless.

Sounds like a large hairy bovine to me. The key of course being you can read any fantastical nonsense into anything out of that book. If I was more imaginative it would be hairy bovine with a single horn that could cure blindness, fly, and enable those near it to communicate to god.

[Dave Lobster]

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to headbanger again..

[McDuck]

Right.... So before i waste my time on fools, when i produce the proof will you acnolage it? Somthing makes me think not and you will regret it when the time comes.

[Headbanger]

HA.

Christianity would never have drawn a following if they didn't waste their time on fools.

Anyhow, You claimed proof, Show it.

[dpex]

Right.... So before i waste my time on fools, when i produce the proof will you acnolage it? Somthing makes me think not and you will regret it when the time comes.


Yeah, McDuck. I think you said it all with "makes me think not".

The fact is you're perfectly entitled to believe whatever you wish. You step over the line between a belief and a fraud only when you presume to provend the fraud to others, as do the chaps and ladies (geez but they're tough looking bunch of females in the God-squad-on-bikes) who patch up to advertise what is nothing more than a replication of what the earliest of mankind created. Ergo, a shrine upon which the weak can libate.

It is of no concern to me that you and all of your ilk, alive today and alive right back to the times when mankind were just getting their fingers on the idea of round things becoming a wheel.....Like the bloke who started Triumph....need to pretend you have some purpose beyond just existing.

That's what successive religions have sought to do. Transplant their fetid concepts to provide you and all the other fraudsters with a reason for living.

Go read Sir Robert Peel, (available on any search engine). Click on Fraud. There you will find Eldon's Ermine Gown.

Tell us all, McDuck. Did your God call the recent crop of dead motorbikers to his side? Did he assert that all their families should be penalised? And if so, for what reason?

Aw Yeah. I know. Your God was watching said bikers exceeding the speed-limit. So what is he/it? The ultimate collection agency? Fuck! And I thought the cops were a bit heavy-handed.

Did he decree that Senior Constable Snee should, on that day, get shot?

Is this you ever-loving God?

You, like so many elderly investors in the likes of Nathan(s) Finance, Blue Chip, and latterly the ANZ, et al, have bought into just another con. A Fraud.

Personally, I believe all God-Squad patchers should be treated in exactly the same way as any other fraudulent operation, such as the Mongrel Mob, et al.

[dpex]

Privacy Law.
And accounts in other names.

Just for starters.

Oh, and soft-cock politicians who could do something but don't mainly.


I appreciate your candor.

Any thoughts on which soft-cock politician might be worth getting a wind-up?

I'd like to ask another Q, of you. But I preface it with the assertion, you don't have to answer on account of a man has to be aware of outcomes.

But here it is.

You're alone on the road, radar at the ready. Around the corners comes half a dozen patched, bad-arses, doing well over.

Just you. On your own. Do you pull them?

[McDuck]

Tell us all, McDuck. Did your God call the recent crop of dead motorbikers to his side? Did he assert that all their families should be penalised? And if so, for what reason?

Aw Yeah. I know. Your God was watching said bikers exceeding the speed-limit. So what is he/it? The ultimate collection agency? Fuck! And I thought the cops were a bit heavy-handed.

Did he decree that Senior Constable Snee should, on that day, get shot?

Is this you ever-loving God?

You, like so many elderly investors in the likes of Nathan(s) Finance, Blue Chip, and latterly the ANZ, et al, have bought into just another con. A Fraud.

Personally, I believe all God-Squad patchers should be treated in exactly the same way as any other fraudulent operation, such as the Mongrel Mob, et al.


How am i ment to know who go by the lords side? If they were anything like you they are not. You dont go to heaven for being a 'good person' you go to heaven for knowing god. Did he 'decree' that Senior constable Snee should die? No, but he may have allowed it. Why you may ask? I dont know. Maby it was time for him to come home? Or maby his life was shortened by some guy that had been possessed by the devil that is drugs.

[Headbanger]

Drugs are cool.

See you in Hell.

Well, Those of us that make it.

Hallowed be thy name.

[McDuck]

What do you think the mathematical probability of Jesus fore filling over 300 prophecies within his lifetime (including his birthplace?)


Further more Do you think you are a good person? Just curious...

[Headbanger]

I think I'm a fucking awesome person.:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup

[Dave Lobster]

What do you think the mathematical probability of Jesus fore filling over three hundred prophecies within his lifetime (including his birthplace?)


Depends if all evidence for any of them was written (and/or rewritten) after the (alleged) fact, by people with a vested interest.



Further more - do you think you are a good person? Just curious...

Oh yes. Even without the help of a tooth fairy or the pixies at the bottom of the garden.

[McDuck]

I think I'm a fucking awesome person.:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup

Have you ever lied?

[Dave Lobster]

Have you ever lied?

Heh heh.. is that a sin?? I feel a song coming on.. :2thumbsup

[Headbanger]

Have you ever lied?

Untold thousands of times.:whistle:

Fear not, I've done some glorious sinning in my time.

[McDuck]

Untold thousands of times.:whistle:

Fear not, I've done some glorious sinning in my time.

If this is the case how do you call yourself a good person? More to the point why are you entering into this argument?

[Headbanger]

If this is the case how do you call yourself a good person? More to the point why are you entering into this argument?

In this case I used a keyboard attached to a computer, But in the past I have vocalised it using my vocal chords and mouth. How do you usually do it?

I live by a code, It doesn't require an invisible jew threatening hell-fire and torment for not following the commandments to be a good person., It merely takes reasonable judgement and a dose of empathy.

Do unto others.

Definition of Christianity: …the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree…

[Dave Lobster]

If this is the case, how do you call yourself a good person?

What has telling lies got to do with it??

I've also overtaken people in the inside lane.. that's a sin.

I've fucked girls without finding out their name. That's probably a sin too.

I can still sleep at night.




More to the point, why are you entering into this argument?

Just in case a god botherer comes up with a new question to prove their existing answers.

[Headbanger]

Shit, Has anyone thought to tell those 138 million Chinese they are doomed to an eternity of hell-fire?, You would think they should be informed of something like that.

(this bottle of Strawberry wine I found is horrible stuff)

[McDuck]

Just in case a god botherer comes up with a new question to prove their existing answers.

Ever woundered why they havent? because they are interested in helping people, supporting people etc not a power trip.

[McDuck]

Definition of Christianity: …the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree…

Really? I prefer Googles Definition: a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament

[scumdog]

Really? I prefer Googles Definition: a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament

What WAS the topic of this particular thread again??:scratch::wait:

[McDuck]

What WAS the topic of this particular thread again??:scratch::wait:

It is a KB thread 100 posts old, that is eralivent!

[Dave Lobster]

Ever woundered why they havent?

Nope. eralivent.


because they are interested in helping people, supporting people etc not a power trip.

Noooo.. that's local government.

[McDuck]

Nope. eralivent.The annitial argument yes... look a little deeper then very ralivent (but you appear to be not very good at that)



Noooo.. that's local government.Look at Michal laws and tell me he isnt on a power trip. <hgchgvcbgxhgg>

[Dave Lobster]

Your top lip must be sore by now.

[McDuck]

Your top lip must be sore by now.

Your brain must be sore by now... Anywho i have a life that has more to it than taking mind altering drugs so i am off to bed. May we continue this another time?

[Headbanger]

Look at Michal laws and tell me he isnt on a power trip.<hgchgvcbgxhgg>


As much as Daves local government quip was so tounque in cheek he will probaly get blisters I should point out that only power trippers get power, know how to keep power, and can wield power. Power corrupts on all levels. This is true Wether its at a school, a super market, the local council or a church.


Apart from Hitcher of course.;) Completely unfailable that chap.


Feck, Think I'm now boozed, Must be time to green bling just about everybody, Invite 100 people onto my friends list, and start offering complete strangers a place to stay should they be in this part of the country.

[awayatc]

<hgchgvcbgxhgg>
Originally Posted by Dave Lobster
Nope. eralivent.The annitial argument yes... look a little deeper then very ralivent (but you appear to be not very good at that)



Noooo.. that's local government.Look at Michal laws and tell me he isnt on a power trip


Wordsalad.....
trehd stardet obaot gong batches.....
wee haf godden ov tobik i bielive......

[awayatc]

Surely if people have spend many hours patching a nice quilt together, they want to show it off in public.
So How about as long as they Patch/knit or needle the darned thing in public, we allow them to wear it to......

I for one will support my grandma's right to wear hers!

May take off my eyepatch though if I ever have the misfortune of running out of petrol In whanganui.....

[Headbanger]

Mate, If you ever run out of petrol in Wanganui then best you give me a ring, real quick if your on the softtail, Local shit bags love em.

I rememberer when I first started going out with my wife, I lent her my car, Red XD falcon, black vynil roof, lowered, mags,tinted windows, looked like a mob car, anyway She stalled it at an intersection, with minutes the locals had arrived, told her they would give her hand and were in the process of pushing my car down their driveway when an old mate went past, recognised my car amd my Mrs, Asked what the fuck was going on so they beat the living fuck out of him, cops arrived and they had a mini-riot, while my poor Mrs who had lived a sheltered life to this point was standing there freaking the fuck out.

I was at the pub boozed hours later when I was informed about it all from a phone call from me old mate in the hospital.

Hard case.

Anyway, Governing the way the populace dress is a repulsive move, Theses cunts are allowed to exist within our society by society itself, Only when every fuck says enough is enough will it change, But we are moulded by those in charge to never stand up, never resist, Fight back and YOU will be the one in court.

Its policy that has caused the problem, we don't need more little laws to manage it.

[awayatc]

Mate, If you ever run out of petrol in Wanganui then best you give me a ring, real quick if your on the softtail, Local shit bags love em.




Shitbags may love softtails, but only my mother has ever been
rumoured to love me. (rumour remains unconfirmed at present)
Will ring you , but please bring a shovel or two.....
I don't like to leave a mess behind....

[dpex]

Mate, If you ever run out of petrol in Wanganui then best you give me a ring, real quick if your on the softtail, Local shit bags love em.

I rememberer when I first started going out with my wife, I lent her my car, Red XD falcon, black vynil roof, lowered, mags,tinted windows, looked like a mob car, anyway She stalled it at an intersection, with minutes the locals had arrived, told her they would give her hand and were in the process of pushing my car down their driveway when an old mate went past, recognised my car amd my Mrs, Asked what the fuck was going on so they beat the living fuck out of him, cops arrived and they had a mini-riot, while my poor Mrs who had lived a sheltered life to this point was standing there freaking the fuck out.

I was at the pub boozed hours later when I was informed about it all from a phone call from me old mate in the hospital.

Hard case.

Anyway, Governing the way the populace dress is a repulsive move, Theses cunts are allowed to exist within our society by society itself, Only when every fuck says enough is enough will it change, But we are moulded by those in charge to never stand up, never resist, Fight back and YOU will be the one in court.

Its policy that has caused the problem, we don't need more little laws to manage it.

That's a bloody good post, Headbanger. Very apposite to the prevailing New Zealand psyche. Well done you!

[dpex]

In this case I used a keyboard attached to a computer, But in the past I have vocalised it using my vocal chords and mouth. How do you usually do it?

I live by a code, It doesn't require an invisible jew threatening hell-fire and torment for not following the commandments to be a good person., It merely takes reasonable judgement and a dose of empathy.

Do unto others.

Definition of Christianity: …the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree…

I often work backwards through the pages, so this one appreared after I read the other.

Gave me a good laugh. Well stated and so accurate.

[dpex]

What WAS the topic of this particular thread again??:scratch::wait:

Akchully, Scum, the thread started with me musing about the stupidity of attempting to ban gang-patches or, at least the arbitrariness attached to such a concept.

But then a defender of the faith...all be it with a great deal of faith but little knowledge on the subject of Godly things.... came onto the scene, and it all went tits up from there.

But it's all inspired some quite funny responses.

[peasea]

Shitbags may love softtails, but only my mother has ever been
rumoured to love me. (rumour remains unconfirmed at present)
Will ring you , but please bring a shovel or two.....
I don't like to leave a mess behind....

Shovel? Softail? Ooh, a great combination.

[peasea]

Ahh, yes, the banning of gang patches...........

This one perhaps??

[u4ea]

What are the local authorities going to define as a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Manawatu Riders" patch will they think I'm a part of a "gang" ?
If I wear a "Wellington HOG" patch does that mean I'm now in a "gang" if I ride through Wangavegas ? Where do they draw the line ? I guess the devil will be in the detail with this legislation.

I wear a black and white "patch" and a pink "patch" on my vest. I wore them to a funeral in Wanganui on a Harley!!!! God forbid Im a badarse biker bitch!!(Im not even bitchy enuff to join the KB BRU"s for f@#ks sake!)

I wont stop wearing them either..and I spose that means Ill have to take my Cold Duck "patches" off my bag as well!!!!:whocares:

[smoky]

But, hang about. Don't the God-people offer bla bla bla bla rave rave rave
.......Surely, this is fraud on a grand scale!

So will the authorities pursue patched God-Squadders with the same zeal as they pursue other patched gangs?
ya clown - do you realise how stupid that sounds


The 'patched' gangs do illegal stuff. Apparently, promoting fairy tales about a God, and fairy tales about the next wonderful investment by Mark Bryers and his ilk, is not illegal stuff.
and the God squad - bikers do??? - not the ones I've met


But I paid my money, bought an ounce of dope and took my chances. Now some lawful prick is saying I was 'consumed' by it.
Sure sounds like you've smoked a bit much dude

Take it from someone who in his younger days did have some involvement in a bike gang, then in the church, now neither
Your original post was a load of crap

Criminal gangs are there to support their criminal activity, to recruit and intimidate
You lump people who ride bikes and choose to wear a religious patch (something I find a bit pathetic) with all the fraudsters and hyper-faith hypocrites.
Most Christians wouldn't even wear a patch, the guys who are in the 'jesus bike crew' don't seem too interested in tithing, converting me, or building some kind of evangelical empire on fraud and deception
You tar all Christians with the same brush, but in reality there are extremes and zealots in any religion
Traveling the middle east and visiting some Islamic countries taught me a lot about the masses of Muslim who are trustworthy genuine people - nothing like the extreme representatives who run around with bombs strapped to themselves, or preach death to the infidels

You should grow up and deal with the hurt that spored your pathetic rant
I just think you're a looser and couldn't think of anything intelligent to say