Questions?

[suzuki mama]

An election either brings out the best or the worst in people

Regretfully i think the present incumbents of the purple circle that is the Board and Administration have reached an all time low.

As far as i am aware the web master and some of the office staff are the only ones who can post on mnz web- site ,so the alteration to the incumbent presidents profile originated from a very narrow source.

However on looking at the email we received it was poorly presented unless ours was the only one with bad spelling and inverted vs down the side and had the look of a last minute thrown together thing ,

Could this be as described by one license holder as the dance of the desperates.

or are we going to find that shock horror come monday the Board and President denying any knowledge and attempt to whip up another smokescreen like we so often get at Agm time.

I sincerely hope not ,there are to many instances now of the unprofessional nature of the Office and Board , how many members are still waiting for their voting packs
Regretfully i have a bad feeling about this email, the members have been misled in the past

i would hate to think someone in office or her associates would send this out then try to blame an opponent.

Our club for one is not as trusting as we were 2 years ago:bash:

[tas152]

An election either brings out the best or the worst in people

Regretfully i think the present incumbents of the purple circle that is the Board and Administration have reached an all time low.

As far as i am aware the web master and some of the office staff are the only ones who can post on mnz web- site ,so the alteration to the incumbent presidents profile originated from a very narrow source.

However on looking at the email we received it was poorly presented unless ours was the only one with bad spelling and inverted vs down the side and had the look of a last minute thrown together thing ,

Could this be as described by one license holder as the dance of the desperates.

or are we going to find that shock horror come monday the Board and President denying any knowledge and attempt to whip up another smokescreen like we so often get at Agm time.

I sincerely hope not ,there are to many instances now of the unprofessional nature of the Office and Board , how many members are still waiting for their voting packs
Regretfully i have a bad feeling about this email, the members have been misled in the past

i would hate to think someone in office or her associates would send this out then try to blame an opponent.

Our club for one is not as trusting as we were 2 years ago:bash:


Are you referring to the email that the current president sent? That's the only one I received from MNZ. If it is the one you're referring to then I could work out what Sanda was saying. Seemed very reasonable to me since she is standing for President again.

I'm a johnny come lately to this forum and haven't been involved with MNZ or been road racing for very long. I've read a lot of the posts with all the complaints and finger pointing etc..... and I can't help thinking with the AGM and elections coming up - ISN'T IT TIME TO MOVE ON. i.e "turn the other cheek", "let bygones be bygones".... Hopefully we can get all the GREAT people who have/still do give up their precious personal time for our sport, all on the same page moving everything forward together.

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MOTORCYCLING NEW ZEALAND INCORPORATED
CONSTITUTION
3.0 OBJECTS OF MNZ
3.1 To conduct, control, promote, foster and develop motorcycle sport and recreation within New Zealand.
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Just my $0.02 worth.

Ok then, I've got my tin foil hat on, you can start now :sweatdrop :bash:

[Wingnut]

ISN'T IT TIME TO MOVE ON.


Yep - for the greater good and all that. Then again I see no problem with a bit of venting on this subject. As long as they are refraining from personal attacks.

[Grey Beard]

tas152,

I think you are missing the point Suzuki Mama is trying to make completely.
as Wingnut says there is nothing wrong with some venting as long as it doesn't get personal.

But when the Paid empolyees get involved in electioneering for one particular Candidate something is WRONG.

It appears the email from Sandra Perry received by some members on Friday was sent from Huntly or at least using Huntly's email list.

Also after restricting some candidates to a profile of 200 word, the Office added an extra section under Sandra Perry's Profile.

It will be great to get everyone on the same page and pulling together, but to achieve that we need CHANGE.

[tas152]

...I think you are missing the point Suzuki Mama is trying to make completely.
as Wingnut says there is nothing wrong with some venting as long as it doesn't get personal...



I agree, never said it wasn't ok.


....But when the Paid empolyees get involved in electioneering for one particular Candidate something is WRONG.

It appears the email from Sandra Perry received by some members on Friday was sent from Huntly or at least using Huntly's email list...

I see no problem with this PROVIDED the courtesy is offerred to all candidates that are standing in the election.



Also after restricting some candidates to a profile of 200 word, the Office added an extra section under Sandra Perry's Profile.

No comment. Don't know anything about this.


It will be great to get everyone on the same page and pulling together, but to achieve that we need CHANGE.

After competing in the last road race Nationals I sure do agree with you. No problem with the organisers or clubs running them but the number of racers supporting the national was REALLY disappointing.

Cheers

[suzuki mama]

I also have no problem with the President sending out her aims etc ,i think its a bit late but given the non -arrival of so many voting forms perhaps shes hoping to catch the late votes, i do have a problem with it either coming from office or the MNZ e-mail list being used. without it being offered to all the others standing for either Board or Presidency.

Whats the betting that the next thing we hear or see from the President is a personal attack on her opponent ,this is the normal modus operandi for this group of people
.
I note the other candidates have kept it impersonal by referring to the office the person holds ie the Ceo or the President,

My opinion and it is just that my opinion is that somewhere given all the questions that have been raised on this and other forums something will surface that will launch a personal attack on her opponent .
we have seen it done to often in the past and if it happens then and this is personal to the President ,Sandra i would love you to prove me wrong.

I would love to think you could rise against personalities and fight this election on your record , of what has gone wrong and how you hope to convince us you can fix it

But my monies on a vitriolic attack surfacing in the next few days and as one who has always respected your contribution to our sport ,if that happens you will have lost my respect and that of many others

However ,given that the current head of the importers association saw fit to glowingly endorse your opponent i think the Board and Ceo are in no doubt how others see them

[budda]

I also have no problem with the President sending out her aims etc ,i think its a bit late but given the non -arrival of so many voting forms perhaps shes hoping to catch the late votes, i do have a problem with it either coming from office or the MNZ e-mail list being used. without it being offered to all the others standing for either Board or Presidency.

Whats the betting that the next thing we hear or see from the President is a personal attack on her opponent ,this is the normal modus operandi for this group of people
.
I note the other candidates have kept it impersonal by referring to the office the person holds ie the Ceo or the President,

My opinion and it is just that my opinion is that somewhere given all the questions that have been raised on this and other forums something will surface that will launch a personal attack on her opponent .
we have seen it done to often in the past and if it happens then and this is personal to the President ,Sandra i would love you to prove me wrong.

I would love to think you could rise against personalities and fight this election on your record , of what has gone wrong and how you hope to convince us you can fix it

But my monies on a vitriolic attack surfacing in the next few days and as one who has always respected your contribution to our sport ,if that happens you will have lost my respect and that of many others

However ,given that the current head of the importers association saw fit to glowingly endorse your opponent i think the Board and Ceo are in no doubt how others see them

So HOW MUCH was that bet ? Go to Holeshot for the latest instalment ......

[suzuki mama]

Budha ,
have just had a look at holeshot, i could have made serious money on this one!!!
the Harley rider is thanking his lucky stars we hadnt got to the money being pledged bit yet .
Would have been worth a new kitchen at least !!!

Im astounded though not surprised at the pure venom running through our Presidents posting ,which surprisingly enough she got someone else to post as quote "shes having problems with her e-mail"

The deliberate un truths and twisting of the truth does her nor the board any credit.The insinuation that the road race commission team and commissioner were out to use sponsers money for their own ends has to be bordering on libel. i bet the board wanted to have the castrol money go thru their accounts, i note no one has answered whether the CEO still gets a cut of money he raises,

Sorry i agree with JT some ones job in the office should be under scrutiny for leaving out The Junior Commissioners name 2 years in a row but still managing to get the latest office staffs number in,

When it comes to Honesty and integrity Jim T leaves this lot for dead!!
The tame qc is as we speak going thru this and i will comment later on once i have his opinion.

To our President I would say ,i thought better of you, hope you didnt get this advice thru the law firm you assurred us last year you were not using as their advice had not in the past been sound ,however as they turn up in this years ccounts as legal advisors i guess you are,

If you couldnt fight this election honestly and above board ,you shouldnt have fought it at all Half truths and innuendoes and emotive blackmail doesnt work ,
Your opponent hasnt thru the forums stooped to the low level you reached today and knowing of his passionate belief in fighting this electionon the issues i know he wont lower himself to your level .
the sooner our sport has some integrity at the top the better!!!!!

[cowpoos]

Budha ,
have just had a look at holeshot, i could have made serious money on this one!!!
the Harley rider is thanking his lucky stars we hadnt got to the money being pledged bit yet .
Would have been worth a new kitchen at least !!!

Im astounded though not surprised at the pure venom running through our Presidents posting ,which surprisingly enough she got someone else to post as quote "shes having problems with her e-mail"

The deliberate un truths and twisting of the truth does her nor the board any credit.The insinuation that the road race commission team and commissioner were out to use sponsers money for their own ends has to be bordering on libel. i bet the board wanted to have the castrol money go thru their accounts, i note no one has answered whether the CEO still gets a cut of money he raises,

Sorry i agree with JT some ones job in the office should be under scrutiny for leaving out The Junior Commissioners name 2 years in a row but still managing to get the latest office staffs number in,

When it comes to Honesty and integrity Jim T leaves this lot for dead!!
The tame qc is as we speak going thru this and i will comment later on once i have his opinion.

To our President I would say ,i thought better of you, hope you didnt get this advice thru the law firm you assurred us last year you were not using as their advice had not in the past been sound ,however as they turn up in this years ccounts as legal advisors i guess you are,

If you couldnt fight this election honestly and above board ,you shouldnt have fought it at all Half truths and innuendoes and emotive blackmail doesnt work ,
Your opponent hasnt thru the forums stooped to the low level you reached today and knowing of his passionate belief in fighting this electionon the issues i know he wont lower himself to your level .
the sooner our sport has some integrity at the top the better!!!!!
ummm...is there a link to the posting you talk about??

[budda]

www.holeshot.co.nz, Message Board, Moto talk,under MNZ voting, questions for the candidates

Oh Dear, its started .........

[suzuki mama]

sorry not sure if i understand what your asking,
Budha referred me to another web-site i dont post on after reading my original posting re the email some of us got.

[cowpoos]

Im astounded though not surprised at the pure venom running through our Presidents posting ,which surprisingly enough she got someone else to post as quote "shes having problems with her e-mail"

this....what posting??

[cowpoos]

As President, I am concerned about, what I consider to be misinformation, being circulated about me, the current Board and our CEO by Presidential candidate, Jim Tuckerman.

Consequently I feel I have no other option other than to state the facts.

Both on this website and in mass mail outs, Jim has accused our CEO of interfering in road racing resulting in Road Race Commissioner, Paul Stewart, withdrawing his application to continue as Commissioner for a further term.

Jim further accuses the MNZ Board of “weak management” for not preventing the interference.

Under our constitution, the CEO is responsible for all commercial, contractual and financial matters affecting MNZ.
This is not a volunteer Commissioner’s role.

The CEO has this responsibility because he is a paid professional and the Board needs to be assured that the interests of the organisation and its members are protected. The Board has policies that govern matters such as conflicts of interest and the ownership of intellectual rights including, MNZ’s membership list and branding. It is the CEO’s responsibility to ensure that all contracts that MNZ enters into comply with Board’s policies – policies that are designed to protect YOUR interests. That is how governance works.

The first incident of alleged CEO “interference” concerned the tender process for the media coverage of last year’s road racing nationals. Under our constitution, the CEO had responsibility for ensuring that the tendering process was a fair and transparent one.
This was particularly important in this case because Jim Tuckerman was the Commissioner’s 2IC for the road racing series, and Jim is a share holder of one of the company’s involved in tendering for the job.
The amount of money involved was substantial, being around $50K per season. Because of Jim Tuckerman’s above stated role, our CEO directed that all tender applications be forwarded to the MNZ office so that he could oversee the process as per the constitution.
This was not “interference” because under our constitution, the managing of tender processes is the CEO’s responsibility.

As conflict between the two arose, as President, I set up mediation to discuss the situation and met with the two at a café in Pokeno. We all agreed it would be proper if the tender process was handled via the MNZ office.

The second incident of alleged CEO “interference” concerned the road race website, NZSBK.
The Commissioner set up this website independent of MNZ and the CEO received an account for $4K plus GST for its establishment and ongoing maintenance over the road race season.
The site was not owned by MNZ, but was instead owned by Jim Tuckerman.
The CEO debated payment of the account because he believed it devalued the MNZ website by directing web traffic away to NZSBK.
Instead, he wanted a separate road racing page within the MNZ website.
More importantly however, because MNZ did not own the website, it had no control over its content.
The CEO wanted to ensure MNZ’s intellectual property rights and branding was protected.
It would also be relatively easy through the website to gain access to MNZ’s membership list and to use those contacts for ulterior purposes. Consequently another dispute arose between the CEO and Commissioner.

The MNZ Board became involved and the matter was discussed at a Board meeting.
At the meeting the Board was told that if the account was not paid, then the account would be paid directly from sponsorship received from Castrol for the series. The Board authorised payment of the account to ensure the correct procedure was followed.

The Board has since implemented new written policy; to ensure all sponsorship money must be paid through, and accounted for in, MNZ’ accounting systems.

The Board also resolved (in a split vote) to allow the NZSBK website to continue for the 2008/09 season provided that proper provisions were included in the website contract to protect MNZ’s interests, including control over the website’s content, the purposes that the website may be put to, and MNZ’s intellectual property rights.

The Board asked for a copy of the website contract so that appropriate protective provisions could be put in place, but to date no copy has ever been received by the Board.
MNZ paid the website account but there has been no contact, and more importantly no protective provisions in place.
Traffic on MNZ’s website declined by 15% no doubt, because potential viewers were diverted away to NZSBK over the Road Race series.

Next, there appeared on the NZSBK website an invitation for viewers to log in their contact details.
This was not authorised by MNZ who had paid for the site, and was particularly concerning as the information gathered could be used for ulterior purposes including mass email out to our members.

The third incident of alleged “interference” concerns the CEO’s decision not to put $10K of MNZ’s money into the 2008/09 national road race series.
The CEO reported to the Board that, in these difficult times, some fiscal restraint was required, and there was already sufficient money from sponsorship and other revenue streams raised by the Commissioner to fund the series.
The CEO also reported to the Commissioner and Board he was not happy to support $6,000 requested being spent on a “prize trip” for two to Philip Island for attending the series as it was not good use of member’s funds.

MX did not receive any direct funding for its National Championship series either. Again, this was not a case of the CEO interfering in the Commissioner’s role as, under the constitution; it is the CEO, and not the Commissioner, that is responsible for all contractual, commercial and financial matter affecting MNZ, including the spending of MNZ funds.

The fourth incident of alleged “interference” concerns the CEO’s suggestion to have the road racing superbike class restricted to Super Stock based bikes. His view is simply that rider numbers in this class have declined to an alarming level partially due to the cost to modify machines, and to turn this around MNZ needs to urgently review the class rules to lower the costs. Furthermore, the decline in numbers will only worsen given the current economic recession.
The number of superbikes raced in the 2008/09 championship session is of very real concern (barely enough for a championship class) and urgent measures need to be considered to reverse this trend.



too be continued

[cowpoos]

In the meantime, the Auckland Motorcycle Club, who were to host the final round of the National Championship, contacted MNZ and advised that they were considering cancelling the round as they had insufficient entries (39 at close of entry) and were looking at a large financial loss – another worrying sign of the current economic recession biting.
Our CEO, together with the NI Road Board member, held an emergency meeting with the Club to decide what to do. In the end, the Club decided to run the Championship event; MNZ provided them with additional media coverage to increase the gate take and thereby avert any potential loss.
Again conflict arose with Jim Tuckerman after the CEO arranged the Breakfast Show from TV3 to promote the event live on the Friday morning saying it would clash with other networks. This was done and, although the Club are still sorting through the final accounts, it appears that the potential loss has been averted.

The Board however remains concerned about the current state of Road Race Championship competitor numbers. This no way reflects on the Commissioners performance and seems to be a sign of the current economic recession and huge cost of road racing. As an example - the Moto GP with as few as 18 competing in 2009.

As a result of Board discussion it was suggested that a ‘Think Tank’ meeting to be chaired by the Road Commissioner, a wide range of riders and trade be held to discuss the way forward. Unfortunately, the “Think Tank” has not happened because the Road Race Commissioner withdrew his application to continue for a further term.

The fifth incident of alleged “interference” concerns the CEO’s decision not to appoint Jim Tuckerman and his Company, Motorsport Network, to manage road race media for the 2009/10 session. This decision was made for a number of reasons. Again, under our constitution, this was a decision for the CEO, and not the Commissioner, to make.
The Board of MNZ unanimously voted to support the CEO’s recommendation to allocate media to Mr McGechan who has a long association with MNZ and proven record in his profession.

The Board received a complaint from Road Race Commentator, Ray Whitham, that whilst engaged as MNZ’s media manager, Mr Tuckerman, threatened to “punch [his] f@#king head in”.

The Board also received a complaint from the owner of DRD magazine, Paul Lance, that at the same event, Mr Tuckerman leaned through the driver’s window of his (Mr Lance’s car) and began a tirade of abuse which greatly upset and offended both Mr Lance, and his elderly father who was seated in the back seat. DRD magazine is a major, and much valued sponsor, of many MNZ events, including the MX National Championships.

After receiving the two complaints, the Board considered whether to initiate a Code of Conduct hearing against Mr Tuckerman. However, it was then discovered that he was not an MNZ member so no action could be taken against him by the Board.

Mr Whitham complained to SPARC that MNZ was not doing anything about his complaint regarding Mr Tuckerman.
SPARC contacted MNZ and asked what action was being taken. At that time, Mr Tuckerman was still not an MNZ member. However, he has since joined and I have personally discussed the matter with our SPARC liaison person being mindful that SPARC fund MNZ to the amount of $100,000 per annum.
Strict criteria for SPARC funding is partially focused on stable management and governance practices that they monitor on an annual basis.


The Board has since received a further complaint about Mr Tuckerman, from an MNZ staff member.
The staff member has recorded that, on 22 April 2009, Mr Tuckerman telephoned the office expressing concern about the accidental omission of the Junior MX Commissioner’s name from the MNZ Annual Report.

After introducing himself, it was recorded that Mr Tuckerman said, “Well, I’m very angry, so angry…my wife is running around hiding any small things that I could throw at the moment. Do you have a copy of the annual report”

He then went on to say, “This has got to be the biggest f#$k up the office has made since the Noel Curr thing. Now I want you to roll up that report and walk into your CEO’s office and shove it up his nose, coz it’s the biggest f@#k up. I’m telling you, you guys had better get prepared for what’s to come when this hits the streets of Auckland – I’d say it will already be out there and Auckland will get theirs first”.

As a result, acting on legal advice Mr Tuckerman has been advised that he must not contact any staff member at the MNZ office, other than the CEO.
Jim Tuckerman then left a message on my phone demanding that someone in the MNZ office loose their job over Junior Commissioner from the Annual report.

Voters need to think very carefully about who they vote for in this election.

The President’s role is a demanding one involving about 20 hours of volunteer/unpaid work per week.

MNZ has a lot of different factions within it, and it takes a lot of patience and diplomacy to ‘steer the ship’ in a steady direction.

Relationships are extremely important, especially those with the office staff, SPARC, sponsors, and our International colleagues.

Remember, ‘atom bombs’ get the job done but at what cost?



Sandra Perry
MNZ President

Is that the one budda?

[suzuki mama]

Hi cow poos yes thats the one ,and a classic of misinformation and twisted scenarios, for the record i dont remember seeing to much posted by Jim T apart from easily proven fact ,so this is just what i predicted in an earlier post would happen ,

This kind of personal venom and vindicativeness has no place in our sport, it makes one question what else is going on if one has to resort to personal attack .

I ,would have preferred to see our President answer some of the questions members have been trying to get answers for.
Iwould have liked to hear sound reasoned arguments as to why the Ceo has been allowed to interfere in the manner he has within our sport .

I would have loved to see explainations for sparc funding ,what its spent on ,and what the office is doing to increase it ,

instead we got paragraghs of Jim T the anti christ, well i think Budha clearly showed whose propagating the untruths and its the current President

If the President and CEO could ever just get over their obvious inability to accept that Jim T has sound ideas and the track record to prove that hes been there done that,our sport would move on immeserably.

Who bought Tv to Motor cycling Jim T
who worked to bring mnz into something approaching reality as far as media goes ,Jim T
who worked tirelessly to see original website set up ,Jim T
who persuaded his wife to let him buy a truck instead of an overseas holiday a couple of years ago and then lent it to Road racing for just the price of diesal and had it sit in the south Island for a month with all the road race equipment on it,Jim T

Theres more but everyone knows the one thing you cant question about Jim T is his love of and committment to the sport.

Who is the biggest installer of Christmas for the major mall chains thru out the country including main streets and outdoor trees, Jim T
and our President refers to him as an Atom bomb in a derogatory manner!

This is just the man our sport needs!!!!!!!

At the end of the day this is another mnz pr disaster well done sandra

[Nasty]

Problem is that elections need people to vote be it for change or to remain the same.

From what I am seeing and hearing from issues around the shop floor there needs to be a change. Continuing problem with people misquoting and publishing those misquotes (just because sandra wrote something does that make it true????) ... if you see a need for change - VOTE FOR IT.

I believe that you need to vote if you have the opportunity .. you have no right to complain if you don't ...

[Nasty]

Is that the one budda?

Hey poos .. when does voting close?

[Billy]

Hi cow poos yes thats the one ,and a classic of misinformation and twisted scenarios, for the record i dont remember seeing to much posted by Jim T apart from easily proven fact ,so this is just what i predicted in an earlier post would happen ,

This kind of personal venom and vindicativeness has no place in our sport, it makes one question what else is going on if one has to resort to personal attack .

I ,would have preferred to see our President answer some of the questions members have been trying to get answers for.
Iwould have liked to hear sound reasoned arguments as to why the Ceo has been allowed to interfere in the manner he has within our sport .

I would have loved to see explainations for sparc funding ,what its spent on ,and what the office is doing to increase it ,

instead we got paragraghs of Jim T the anti christ, well i think Budha clearly showed whose propagating the untruths and its the current President

If the President and CEO could ever just get over their obvious inability to accept that Jim T has sound ideas and the track record to prove that hes been there done that,our sport would move on immeserably.

Who bought Tv to Motor cycling Jim T
who worked to bring mnz into something approaching reality as far as media goes ,Jim T
who worked tirelessly to see original website set up ,Jim T
who persuaded his wife to let him buy a truck instead of an overseas holiday a couple of years ago and then lent it to Road racing for just the price of diesal and had it sit in the south Island for a month with all the road race equipment on it,Jim T

Theres more but everyone knows the one thing you cant question about Jim T is his love of and committment to the sport.

Who is the biggest installer of Christmas for the major mall chains thru out the country including main streets and outdoor trees, Jim T
and our President refers to him as an Atom bomb in a derogatory manner!

This is just the man our sport needs!!!!!!!

At the end of the day this is another mnz pr disaster well done sandra

I will begin this post by saying I consider myself too be a long time freind of Jim Tuckerman and I am well aware of where hes been and what hes done and is capable of.
However you begin your post by stating that Sandras comments are personal and vindictive and uncalled for.Then you proceed with a personal attack on Sandra yourself.Quite frankly I thought her posting was indepth and informative and was just what everybody has been asking for,The other side of the story.I feel you would be better advised too explain to us.The members.What it is that Jim is going to do too fix the mess that is roadracing at the present moment.I dont think anybody really cares to a point whether Johnny stole Jimmys apples or when and if we can believe the incumbent President,Then that hasnt happened anyway.While I cant confirm Sandras statement is 100% true,I know that some of it is and until I see some proof to the contrary its her word against yours.If you have some proof,Lets see it otherwise leave Jim too explain too us how hes going to fix things.I would far rather see a detailed list of remedies than a thread full of innuendos.I have no doubt in my mind that Jim would make an excellent President under the right circumstances,But why would we vote for change while theres no mention of his plan too improve the state of our sport???

[cowpoos]

Hey poos .. when does voting close?
14th may 2009 is the magic date I believe chicky :)

[Nasty]

I will begin this post by saying I consider myself too be a long time freind of Jim Tuckerman and I am well aware of where hes been and what hes done and is capable of.
However you begin your post by stating that Sandras comments are personal and vindictive and uncalled for.Then you proceed with a personal attack on Sandra yourself.Quite frankly I thought her posting was indepth and informative and was just what everybody has been asking for,The other side of the story.I feel you would be better advised too explain to us.The members.What it is that Jim is going to do too fix the mess that is roadracing at the present moment.I dont think anybody really cares to a point whether Johnny stole Jimmys apples or when and if we can believe the incumbent President,Then that hasnt happened anyway.While I cant confirm Sandras statement is 100% true,I know that some of it is and until I see some proof to the contrary its her word against yours.If you have some proof,Lets see it otherwise leave Jim too explain too us how hes going to fix things.I would far rather see a detailed list of remedies than a thread full of innuendos.I have no doubt in my mind that Jim would make an excellent President under the right circumstances,But why would we vote for change while theres no mention of his plan too improve the state of our sport???

Good idea ..

[BJT666]

Morning all,

Be assured my reply is not going to have 1958 words.

I am extremely disappointed that SANDRA has seen fit to try and justify her actions and attack me at the same time.

I was hoping this Election would be fought on the issues, but I suppose when you have no replies, you are forced to revert to tried and proven methods (Just look at the Noel Curr/Marlborough saga).

For the record below is the email I sent out:

Evening All,

Unfortunately Paul Stewart has withdrawn his name for re-appointment as Road Race Commissioner.

He sighted the lack of support and interference from the Office, along with the lack of support from the Board over the withdrawal of the $10K from the budget as the main reasons.

Unfortunately this will probably also mean, the Sponsors and the Industry will take this opportunity to withdraw from supporting road racing as well.

If you have any questions, either drop me an email or call on 021 725 614

Regards

Jim Tuckerman


Sandra’s statement clearly shows that the current Administration is more than happy to be dictated to by the Paid employees.

No one wishes to argue that there should not be financial controls in place, but surely it is the Paid employees’ (CEO) role to work along side the Volunteer (The Commissioner) to achieve the best result, not dictate what will happen.

I am determined not to get into a he said, she said exercise as I believe that will just turn the VOTER off.

The way forward as I see it is in the analysis of the current systems in MNZ’s Office, establish exactly what every one does and then create a PLAN.

MNZ is all of US, not just the OFFICE or even the BOARD.

I believe the President and the Board needs to talk to the MEMBERS find out exactly where they want MNZ to GO.

Then take the assets WE have and make a PLAN to achieve those GOALS.

At present we are operating what I call “Management by Crisis”, we seem to move from Fire to Fire.

There is a famous saying:


“HE WHO FAILS TO PLAN, PLANS TO FAIL”

It is time for CHANGE the current modus operandi obviously doesn’t work so let’s try something different.


VOTE FOR CHANGE

[tas152]

Morning all,

Be assured my reply is not going to have 1958 words.

I am extremely disappointed that SANDRA has seen fit to try and justify her actions and attack me at the same time.

I was hoping this Election would be fought on the issues, but I suppose when you have no replies, you are forced to revert to tried and proven methods (Just look at the Noel Curr/Marlborough saga).

For the record below is the email I sent out:

Evening All,

Unfortunately Paul Stewart has withdrawn his name for re-appointment as Road Race Commissioner.

He sighted the lack of support and interference from the Office, along with the lack of support from the Board over the withdrawal of the $10K from the budget as the main reasons.

Unfortunately this will probably also mean, the Sponsors and the Industry will take this opportunity to withdraw from supporting road racing as well.

If you have any questions, either drop me an email or call on 021 725 614

Regards

Jim Tuckerman


Sandra’s statement clearly shows that the current Administration is more than happy to be dictated to by the Paid employees.

No one wishes to argue that there should not be financial controls in place, but surely it is the Paid employees’ (CEO) role to work along side the Volunteer (The Commissioner) to achieve the best result, not dictate what will happen.

I am determined not to get into a he said, she said exercise as I believe that will just turn the VOTER off.

The way forward as I see it is in the analysis of the current systems in MNZ’s Office, establish exactly what every one does and then create a PLAN.

MNZ is all of US, not just the OFFICE or even the BOARD.

I believe the President and the Board needs to talk to the MEMBERS find out exactly where they want MNZ to GO.

Then take the assets WE have and make a PLAN to achieve those GOALS.

At present we are operating what I call “Management by Crisis”, we seem to move from Fire to Fire.

There is a famous saying:


“HE WHO FAILS TO PLAN, PLANS TO FAIL”

It is time for CHANGE the current modus operandi obviously doesn’t work so let’s try something different.


VOTE FOR CHANGE

Thanks for that Jim. Concise and to the point.

Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

Get the elections over with, get reconciled and then get the plan/change in place ASAP - whoever wins.

[suzuki mama]

Billy,
unless we are reading diffrent versions of what our current president wrote i find your complaining im attacking her a little odd.
Is it all right for the current President to launch what came only be described as half truths ,un truths and deliberate manipulation of the facts and expect to get away with it.
You ask if i have proof,
1-At Paeroa i was standing quite close to where the commentary was takng place, along with others in the Motorcycle family and Industry, i watched Jim T .stop and talk to a current Board Member and was close enough to realise from the conversation that he was letting the Board member know his intentions
If the President is going to claim the moral high ground here, why didnt the board member intervene, my recollection was he seemed to be enjoying the situation.

2-from others who were around at Paeroa in fact 2 who were parked opposite when Paul Lance drove up with his father in front seat. in the interests of honesty here, i believe also present was the owner of a motorcycle shop some sidecar members jims crew and wife a very cordial brief conversation took place as Jim was loading truck at the time .
Jims wife was at the window of Paul Lances vehicle and the comment made to me was it all was friendly and helpful , Perhaps you would like to ph Jims wife to hear exactly what was said.

3-Its well known a couple of years ago JT trod on a few toes at Paeroa by pointing out safety issues ,a big kerfuffle occurred but it is interesting to note the changes he asked for were made
It is also interesting to know as the Industry does how many years JTS TV company filmed Paeroa at cost and found sponsership for it as Paeroa didnt want to spend money ,they fall out with Jt and all of a sudden they have money to spend with a rival company,


4- It was interesting to see that it was jim at Paeroa making sure the naming right sponser got maximum coverage ,he was observed early morning placing the signage for the tv company to get maximum effect in their shots

5- The President infers the Road Race media budget was 50,000 interesting ,where is this reflected in the accounts?
my question to Jim T is how much was he paid?
and if it is as i suspect thousands less than her stated fiqure ,where did money go or are we being deliberately misled?
or is the President so out of touch with the office she just accepts any figure.

I have more but this is long enough,

[BJT666]

Suzuki Mama said
The President infers the Road Race media budget was 50,000 interesting ,where is this reflected in the accounts?
my question to Jim T is how much was he paid?
and if it is as i suspect thousands less than her stated fiqure ,where did money go or are we being deliberately misled?
or is the President so out of touch with the office she just accepts any figure.

I have more but this is long enough,[/QUOTE]


The simple answer Suzuki Mama.

Motorsport Network Ltd (Jim Tuckerman) was paid $4668.75 to do the Road race media for 2009 Season, of which $393.75 was for photography.

I am sure $50K or nothing like it, has ever been in Paul Stewart's Budget


This would clearly show some discrepancies in Sandra's statement, however we need to stay on subject.

IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE

VOTE JIM TUCKERMAN FOR PRESIDENT

[Shaun]

I DO NOT believe Sandra is even writting her own emails? They look like they are being written by a MAN, Not a Women???

She NEVER ever made mistakes like this email re the $50K

perhaps this actually helps support the idea of

IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE, VOTE JIM T

[Billy]

Morning all,

Be assured my reply is not going to have 1958 words.

I am extremely disappointed that SANDRA has seen fit to try and justify her actions and attack me at the same time.

I was hoping this Election would be fought on the issues, but I suppose when you have no replies, you are forced to revert to tried and proven methods (Just look at the Noel Curr/Marlborough saga).

For the record below is the email I sent out:

Evening All,

Unfortunately Paul Stewart has withdrawn his name for re-appointment as Road Race Commissioner.

He sighted the lack of support and interference from the Office, along with the lack of support from the Board over the withdrawal of the $10K from the budget as the main reasons.

Unfortunately this will probably also mean, the Sponsors and the Industry will take this opportunity to withdraw from supporting road racing as well.

If you have any questions, either drop me an email or call on 021 725 614

Regards

Jim Tuckerman


Sandra’s statement clearly shows that the current Administration is more than happy to be dictated to by the Paid employees.

No one wishes to argue that there should not be financial controls in place, but surely it is the Paid employees’ (CEO) role to work along side the Volunteer (The Commissioner) to achieve the best result, not dictate what will happen.

I am determined not to get into a he said, she said exercise as I believe that will just turn the VOTER off.

The way forward as I see it is in the analysis of the current systems in MNZ’s Office, establish exactly what every one does and then create a PLAN.

MNZ is all of US, not just the OFFICE or even the BOARD.

I believe the President and the Board needs to talk to the MEMBERS find out exactly where they want MNZ to GO.

Then take the assets WE have and make a PLAN to achieve those GOALS.

At present we are operating what I call “Management by Crisis”, we seem to move from Fire to Fire.

There is a famous saying:


“HE WHO FAILS TO PLAN, PLANS TO FAIL”

It is time for CHANGE the current modus operandi obviously doesn’t work so let’s try something different.


VOTE FOR CHANGE

Well said Jim,Thats what we want to see and hear,Not the sniping and backstabbing displayed up til now.Good,Honest solutions

[Billy]

Billy,
unless we are reading diffrent versions of what our current president wrote i find your complaining im attacking her a little odd.
Is it all right for the current President to launch what came only be described as half truths ,un truths and deliberate manipulation of the facts and expect to get away with it.
You ask if i have proof,

No we are not reading different versions,The point I was making was that atleast we had a version of the otherside of the story,Which people had been waiting too hear.Under no circumstances did I say it was gospel and it is dissappointing to note that it was clearly not written by Sandra herself.I also was at Paeroa and in fact was having a conversation with Jim when the commentator made the comments that upset Jim and saw his initial reaction.However I have known Jim long enough too know he would handle it in the manner required,Furthermore I have NO need to speak to Kathy.Jim rang me late Sunday night and we discussed my earlier posting and what had happened and what he intended to do to try and turn things around.Thats the sort of information we are looking for and Jims word is good enough for me.Your comments regarding proof hold merit and is much more relevant to moving the sport forward and that is whats required.Not more "He said She said bullshit" positive remedies too move the sport forward.We already know there are problems so lets just concentrate on fixing them rather than dwelling on the past

[suzuki mama]

Totally agree, Billy.
In the interests of a constructive path forwards as we know the candidates or some of them are monitering this site,
I have some questions for Todd,Carmen. Jim and Sandra,

Who do you see the CEO reporting to the Board or the President?

What is your idea of the role of the Operations manager, as distinct from that of the Ceo?

What exactly has been done in the field of club developement this year and with which clubs?

mnz is currently operating outside its constitution ,what do you intend to do if elected to bring it back to where it should be.

Would you support an independant review by sparc of the whole sport including role of the office to give guidance as to how we can move forward.

What would you do to ensure the code of conduct is seen to be used in a fair and honest manner.

Would you support having minutes of all meetings board included available on web- site.

Finally for Sandra .can you confirm that the independant voting auditor is not the same person or from the same firm as the person who signed off accounts

[wharfy]

The Board also received a complaint from the owner of DRD magazine, Paul Lance, that at the same event, Mr Tuckerman leaned through the driver’s window of his (Mr Lance’s car) and began a tirade of abuse which greatly upset and offended both Mr Lance, and his elderly father who was seated in the back seat.




The Board has since received a further complaint about Mr Tuckerman, from an MNZ staff member.
The staff member has recorded that, on 22 April 2009, Mr Tuckerman telephoned the office expressing concern about the accidental omission of the Junior MX Commissioner’s name from the MNZ Annual Report.

After introducing himself, it was recorded that Mr Tuckerman said, “Well, I’m very angry, so angry…my wife is running around hiding any small things that I could throw at the moment. Do you have a copy of the annual report”

He then went on to say, “This has got to be the biggest f#$k up the office has made since the Noel Curr thing. Now I want you to roll up that report and walk into your CEO’s office and shove it up his nose, coz it’s the biggest f@#k up. I’m telling you, you guys had better get prepared for what’s to come when this hits the streets of Auckland – I’d say it will already be out there and Auckland will get theirs first”.


I would like to know if this is true , did these events take place ?

[k14]

I would like to know if this is true , did these events take place ?
Ditto! I'm all for change but if the above quotes are true then there is no way I would want someone that conducts themselves in that manner the president of anything! I hope it is a gross exaggeration because my vote is already cast. :argh:

[BJT666]

I would like to know if this is true , did these events take place ?

There were two discussions, one with Mr Lance and one with B M.

The descriptions on Mrs Perry's post are greatly exaggerated. Both conversations were completely cordial and witnessed by independant people.

I refer you to a previous post by Suzuki Mama

[BJT666]

Below are answers from Jim Tuckerman

Who do you see the CEO reporting to the Board or the President?

As I understand it the CEO reports to the Board of MNZ through the President



What is your idea of the role of the Operations manager, as distinct from that of the Ceo?

Difficult question, one would need to see the "Operations Manager's" job disscription first.
Maybe Sandra could answer that one.



What exactly has been done in the field of club developement this year and with which clubs?

A Question that needs to be asked of the CEO through the Board



mnz is currently operating outside its constitution ,what do you intend to do if elected to bring it back to where it should be.

MNZ must stop immediately anything it is doing outside it's Constitution



Would you support an independant review by sparc of the whole sport including role of the office to give guidance as to how we can move forward.

YES


What would you do to ensure the code of conduct is seen to be used in a fair and honest manner.

Natural Justice must be served



Would you support having minutes of all meetings board included available on web- site.

YES



Finally for Sandra .can you confirm that the independant voting auditor is not the same person or from the same firm as the person who signed off accounts

As I understand it it is the SAME LADY


I trust these answers are satisfactory

[cowpoos]

What would you do to ensure the code of conduct is seen to be used in a fair and honest manner.

Natural Justice must be served

Could you please elaborate a little further on this please Jim.

and state where its an personal Opinion...and where there is already a system/procedure in place.

[suzuki mama]

Just to set the record straight,

For those of us who have been around a while ,The editor of drd is a close collegue of the Ceo, and is involved with a rival production tv company,
His talk that reputible witnesses from within our sport with JT can confirm would not have threatened a mouse ,i would take his complaint more seriously if he didnt have an agenda,and had not already been a part of a several conversations in which every attempt was made to present JT IN A BAD LIGHT,moral of the story here paul just because someone listens and says nothing doesnt mean they agree with you or forget what is said.

As someone who thinks an election should be fought on facts and issues, i am astounded when as late as this weekend officials in mnz used every opportunity to propagate misinformation to suit there own ends and discredit someone who has contributed so much to the sport .


As i have said before directly to the President ,if you cant fight fairly leave with some dignity.

Jt may not win , personally i hope for the sake of the sport he does, but at least he will have his integrity intact not something in my opinion that can be said of another candidate:bash:

[BJT666]

Could you please elaborate a little further on this please Jim.

and state where its an personal Opinion...and where there is already a system/procedure in place.

At Present it is just MY Opinion.

There is not a lot I can do unless ELECTED

[k14]

At Present it is just MY Opinion.

There is not a lot I can do unless ELECTED
Sounds good. You've got my support. Now when are the results released!!

[wharfy]

Sounds good. You've got my support. Now when are the results released!!

Still a week before the polls close

[Robert Taylor]

Just to set the record straight,

For those of us who have been around a while ,The editor of drd is a close collegue of the Ceo, and is involved with a rival production tv company,
His talk that reputible witnesses from within our sport with JT can confirm would not have threatened a mouse ,i would take his complaint more seriously if he didnt have an agenda,and had not already been a part of a several conversations in which every attempt was made to present JT IN A BAD LIGHT,moral of the story here paul just because someone listens and says nothing doesnt mean they agree with you or forget what is said.

As someone who thinks an election should be fought on facts and issues, i am astounded when as late as this weekend officials in mnz used every opportunity to propagate misinformation to suit there own ends and discredit someone who has contributed so much to the sport .


As i have said before directly to the President ,if you cant fight fairly leave with some dignity.

Jt may not win , personally i hope for the sake of the sport he does, but at least he will have his integrity intact not something in my opinion that can be said of another candidate:bash:

Tough issues call for tough people but those same people also need to have a good rapport with the industry at large. GOOD LUCK JIM.

[kawasaki king]

Id love to vote but i dont have a form .4 calls to the office today to get an answer phone,is any body there?

no ones rung me to check if i got said form ,can someone tell me what the office has done to overcome there total inability to do a simple task


After all you have a list of members and one hopes you mark them off as you do their pack,

Leaving aside the conspiracy theory , and thats looking attractive ,is this not a glaringly obvious sign there is something seriously wrong?

Have i missed our President or CEO putting their hand up and admitting someone stuffed up ,its a bit hard blaming the postoffice if the mailing addresses came from office,

This cock up is down the road territory to me

Echoing Roberts good luck Jim ,be interesting to know which clubs got the most forms posted to them

Does anyone know what office has done and when to fix this,

[budda]

Re:MNZ Voting - Questions for the Candidates 8 Hours, 4 Minutes ago
cd wrote:
Hi all
A telephone conversation with CEO has resulted in this solution :

As per clause 5.1.6.3 of the Constitution “All valid voting papers must be on the original forms

[budda]

Re:MNZ Voting - Questions for the Candidates 8 Hours, 4 Minutes ago
cd wrote:
Hi all
A telephone conversation with CEO has resulted in this solution :

As per clause 5.1.6.3 of the Constitution “All valid voting papers must be on the original forms provided by MNZ. Photocopies and non-originals will not be counted except with prior written consent of the CEO.”

Therefore anyone requiring to use a photocopied voting paper must either phone or email Paul for permission to do so. Email – ceo@mnz.co.nz or phone 07 82 87 852 ext 6

Apparently Paul will then let the Voting Auditor aware of the names of members who are permitted to vote on these photocopied forms and that their vote be counted as eligible.

This may not be the simplest solution - but nevertheless it is a solution. Have asked the Office to put a master on the website for people to download.

Cheers
Carmen Davidson[/quote]

Thanks Carmen for your hard work on behalf of the members.

During your conversation with the CEO, did he by any chance, tell you what the OFFICE was already doing to overcome this SERIOUS PROBLEM created by their actions or in-actions.

I have serious doubt about the solution offered. The MEMBERSHIP of MNZ has difficulty getting motivated enough to VOTE when it is given to them on a plate.

Now we are asking them to spend time and money to get permission from a PAID employee to be able to exerise their given RIGHT.

SORRY,I JUST DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN.

I am sure there is a large number of members, who are in blissful ignorance that the ELECTIONS are even going on.

Many because they have seen no paperwork, believe they can turn up at the AGM and VOTE.

UNFORTUNATELY THE DECISIONS WHICH WILL EFFECT THEIR SPORT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS WILL HAVE BEEN TAKEN TEN DAYS EARLIER.

[kawasaki king]

Thanks for that ,

when exactly is someone going to be in the office to take the call?

isnt it a bit odd that Paul has to give his permission ,the office has stuffed up why cant they give a general permission on the web site?

if as i understand it voting has to be matched to a licence number should be easy to check as votes come in against list,

or is this just another to hard basket for office to do ,

By the way who gave the president my email address?
Certainly no one from club, and why havnt we seen the same kind of email from all other candidates,

Funny way to run an election , certainly not in line with the constitution ,maybe thats the point ,

[BJT666]

Thanks for that ,

By the way who gave the president my email address?
Certainly no one from club, and why havnt we seen the same kind of email from all other candidates,

Funny way to run an election , certainly not in line with the constitution ,maybe thats the point ,

Evening Kawasaki King;

Other candidates don't have access to MNZ's List.

I have sent my profile and endorsement to the email addresses I have.

More than happy to send a copy to you.
Just email me on motorsportnetwork@ihug.co.nz

This also applies to anyone else interested.

Regards
Jim Tuckerman
Candidate for President

[Kevin G]

Ok I will ask a question that has been begging to be asked....
Since a big chunk of MNZ members did not receive their voting information within the time frame (if at all) required by the constitution will the voting outcome be legitimate or will it be a shitfight?

Kevin Goddard
Otago.

[Shaun]

Ok I will ask a question that has been begging to be asked....
Since a big chunk of MNZ members did not receive their voting information within the time frame (if at all) required by the constitution will the voting outcome be legitimate or will it be a shitfight?

Kevin Goddard
Otago.




ShitFight I would say, But GO JIM TUCKERMAN any way

Time for a change!

[BJT666]

ShitFight I would say, But GO JIM TUCKERMAN any way

Time for a change!

Thanks for the support Shaun.

Yes there appears to be a C---K Up, but lets move FORWARD.

FOR THOSE WHO WANT CHANGE AND DON'T HAVE VOTING PAPERS.

LET'S CONTACT THE CEO ceo@mnz.co.nz or PH 07 828 7852 and FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN VOTE.

VOTE FOR CHANGE

JIM TUCKERMAN
CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT

[Grey Beard]

I am not sure whether Mrs President is answering questions but here goes anyway.

Sandra,

In your Presidents report you state under Board Charter:
"This has been a year with a focus on ensuring as the Board we provide effective leadership and direction for the Sport."

You then go on to talk about working on a Charter.

Once again Sandra we seem to have Too litle Too late.

You indicate, this has gone on all year. However it is my understanding the FIRST meeting for the WORKING party is TOMORROW, a forthnight before the AGM.

Could Mrs President or someone else please confirm whether this is true.

[Maido]

Just one quick question for Jim, I am posting this OBO of team Southland Honda,

Jim, if elected president, will you still be cooking breakfasts during the national road race series?

Thanks
Jeremy Holmes

[Nasty]

Just one quick question for Jim, I am posting this OBO of team Southland Honda,

Jim, if elected president, will you still be cooking breakfasts during the national road race series?

Thanks
Jeremy Holmes

He better be!! .. but the other side is .. was it him or kathy cooking???

[kawasaki king]

[QUOTE=Grey Beard;1129203815]I am not sure whether Mrs President is answering questions but here goes anyway.

Sandra,

In your Presidents report you state under Board Charter:
"This has been a year with a focus on ensuring as the Board we provide effective leadership and direction for the Sport."

You then go on to talk about working on a Charter.

Once again Sandra we seem to have Too litle Too late.

You indicate, this has gone on all year. However it is my understanding the FIRST meeting for the WORKING party is TOMORROW, a forthnight before the AGM.

Jim ,Thanks for your offer,
i got a spare from another club member .quicker than trying to get office to answer phone.
I havnt met you or the current President but you got my vote ,because you
seem like a person who can move on .
i have been looking at some web sites and on the theory that attack is the best form of defence , the current administration must have a lot they really dont want you and other members to find out about.
I also have a question as some one fairly new to this game,
There is more than a few license holders without voting papers, just talking to people makes you aware how many,
yet the MNZ WEBSITE makes it sound like only a few,
my question which i would like the President to answer is one i already asked,
who in the office is taking responsibility for this and what censure or warning are they being given.
This is far from acceptible error ,so what is happening.

[suzuki mama]

The Current President while quick to rush into a vitriolic attack over an e-mail which Jim T sent out and which we have all , ,now seen on various web sites posted by Jim i think ,and it seemed very reasonable to me ,has been very slow to answer other questions posted on this and holeshot one might think shes avoiding them . in view with the latest stuff up by the office there appears to be no taking any responsibiity by anyone , in the interests of transparency perhaps she could find the time to tell the members whats being done, i agree with kawasaki king the web site makes it look minor its not .
What are the board doing to get answers on this one,

[kawasaki king]

Can any of the candidates confirm whether the office has contacted then re the voting fiasco and if any of them were offered after the Presidents e-mail was sent out a copy of the same e.-mail list.
which im sure it was in the interests of everything being above board,just be nice to have it confirmed.

[BJT666]

Just one quick question for Jim, I am posting this OBO of team Southland Honda,

Jim, if elected president, will you still be cooking breakfasts during the national road race series?

Thanks
Jeremy Holmes

Mrs & Mrs Holmes and Young Jeremy,

If I miss out and with Paul Stewart gone, I am not sure there will be a ROAD RACE Championship.

So I am not promising anything in that area.

But back to things Positive.

There are FIVE DAYS left till VOTING CLOSES

VOTE FOR CHANGE


Jim Tuckerman
Candidate for President

[BJT666]

Can any of the candidates confirm whether the office has contacted then re the voting fiasco and if any of them were offered after the Presidents e-mail was sent out a copy of the same e.-mail list.
which im sure it was in the interests of everything being above board,just be nice to have it confirmed.

Sorry not sure what is being done re: VOTING PAPERS

I have certainly not been offered the email list.

BUT AS I SAID ABOVE:

LETS LOOK FORWARD. IF YOU DON'T HAVE VOTING PAPERS. DOWN LOAD SOME FROM MNZ'S WEBSITE, FILL THEM OUT AND SEND THEM TO THE VOTING AUDITOR.

BUT DON'T FORGET TO EMAIL THE CEO AND CONFIRM WHAT YOU ARE DOING.


VOTE FOR CHANGE

JIM TUCKERMAN
CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT

[cowpoos]

An election either brings out the best or the worst in people

Regretfully i think the present incumbents of the purple circle that is the Board and Administration have reached an all time low.

As far as i am aware the web master and some of the office staff are the only ones who can post on mnz web- site ,so the alteration to the incumbent presidents profile originated from a very narrow source.

However on looking at the email we received it was poorly presented unless ours was the only one with bad spelling and inverted vs down the side and had the look of a last minute thrown together thing ,

Could this be as described by one license holder as the dance of the desperates.

or are we going to find that shock horror come monday the Board and President denying any knowledge and attempt to whip up another smokescreen like we so often get at Agm time.

I sincerely hope not ,there are to many instances now of the unprofessional nature of the Office and Board , how many members are still waiting for their voting packs
Regretfully i have a bad feeling about this email, the members have been misled in the past

i would hate to think someone in office or her associates would send this out then try to blame an opponent.

Our club for one is not as trusting as we were 2 years ago:bash:

http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=29871
http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=29888

Note the bit about appointing a auditor and a voting auditor
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Notice_of_Meeting.pdf

[suzuki mama]

the voting Auditor is quote to be independant to ,not employed by or have an interest in.

Given that it appears in the financial statement that our voting Auditor is employed by mnz and has signed off the accounts,there is no way she can be called independant, she has an existing relationship with the office,
given also that members received e-mails from the office presenting only one candidates view pointand given the general straight out nastiness of the Presidents campaign , this election has been far from above board .hopefully the wishes of the members for change will be reflected in the results.

Perhaps each club might like to keep a note of numbers voting and compare them to votes counted

and can the office confirm the question some members have been asking for over 12 months re the voting auditor working for mnz

[BJT666]

Things seem to have gone quiet.

Has anyone seen this week's addition of BikeTV.
I am told it contains an interview with Sandra Perry, proclaiming how she has helped motorcycling.

It has a section on Junior Road Racing amongst others.

Personally I have to question these sort of statements, when in 2008/09 season, the current Administration was unable to help fund any young riders to Australia, but they contributed $9K to the 'Posties' Phillip Island trip.

I was also told last night that, MNZ contributes to the production of BikeTV, so the question that goes begging is:
"was the section on Sandra Perry part of MNZs contribution to the show or was it separately funded?"

Can anyone shed any light on this one, as at present it is all heresay.

[wharfy]

the voting Auditor is quote to be independant to ,not employed by or have an interest in.

Given that it appears in the financial statement that our voting Auditor is employed by mnz and has signed off the accounts,there is no way she can be called independant, she has an existing relationship with the office,
given also that members received e-mails from the office presenting only one candidates view pointand given the general straight out nastiness of the Presidents campaign , this election has been far from above board .hopefully the wishes of the members for change will be reflected in the results.

Perhaps each club might like to keep a note of numbers voting and compare them to votes counted

and can the office confirm the question some members have been asking for over 12 months re the voting auditor working for mnz

My understanding is she is employed by the independent Auditors.
I do not believe for a second that any auditor would risk their reputation by rigging the vote in an election for MNZ where traditionally only a tiny portion of the eligible voters even bother to cast a vote.

I don't think questioning the professionalism and/or integrity of anyone who has had business dealings with MNZ does your cause any good.

I didn't vote last year as I had only been a member for a few weeks and had no idea who was who. I have voted this year however.

[BJT666]

Wharfy,

I don't think anyone is questioning the Auditors ability, as you point out counting 199 votes can't be hard.

However MNZ's Constitution clearly states:

The Voting Auditors shall be independent of MNZ

Oxford Dictionary definition of independent

• adjective
1 free from outside control or influence.
2 not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence.
3 not connected with another; separate.

However we also understand she is MNZ's accountant, so:

1 free from outside control or influence.
Works for MNZ as accountant (?? How is that free from influence)

2 not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence.
Paid by MNZ to do accounts (at least partly dependent on MNZ for income)

3 not connected with another; separate.
Is MNZ’s accountant (how is that separate).

So go figure

[Nasty]

My understanding is she is employed by the independent Auditors.
I do not believe for a second that any auditor would risk their reputation by rigging the vote in an election for MNZ where traditionally only a tiny portion of the eligible voters even bother to cast a vote.

I don't think questioning the professionalism and/or integrity of anyone who has had business dealings with MNZ does your cause any good.

I didn't vote last year as I had only been a member for a few weeks and had no idea who was who. I have voted this year however.


I think that its the independance that is an issue here .. or maybe the lack of it to make someone independant.

[wharfy]

Wharfy,

I don't think anyone is questioning the Auditors ability, as you point out counting 199 votes can't be hard.

However MNZ's Constitution clearly states:

The Voting Auditors shall be independent of MNZ

Oxford Dictionary definition of independent

• adjective
1 free from outside control or influence.
2 not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence.
3 not connected with another; separate.

However we also understand she is MNZ's accountant, so:

1 free from outside control or influence.
Works for MNZ as accountant (?? How is that free from influence)

2 not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence.
Paid by MNZ to do accounts (at least partly dependent on MNZ for income)

3 not connected with another; separate.
Is MNZ’s accountant (how is that separate).

So go figure

It is not her ability that is being questioned it is her integrity and professionalism and I still think it is does nothing to help your cause - but hey it's your election campaign, KiwiBiker is full of people with advice on everything and anything and I'm just another of them :)

[budda]

Think the issue is not with Ms Stables herself, for me its rather the fact that she has been put in an akward situation by accepting a position offered to her by people who SHOULD have known better and thought twice, given the very clear rules ......
AND following assurances given from above at at least one previous AGM that she was not the "same person" who was involved with the books

[suzuki mama]

Well said Budha
I also remember being clearly told at an AGM by our elected officials that the voting auditor was not the same person .
I dont see what BJT666 said as an attack on this person ,he just pointed out and rightly so that there was once again complete disregard for our stated rules and constitution.
If it says must be independant then thats what supposed to happen ,
The thing that bothers me is the simply this, voting figures from last year dont add up. given how important the vote count is this year, and the problems with members getting their packs andd those that didnt having to notify the CEO they were going to use photo copies ,our club will be examining any apparrent anomilies in voting,
we are also compiling a list of all who voted and canvassing other clubs for their numbers,
to often in the past we have let ourselves be steamrolered at AGM time and things have been passed that were regretible
This year the clubs need to examine the remits and vote a fair percentage of them down ,
The first one would be not accepting the micky mouse set of accounts,
if anyone still thinks they are totally kosher take them to a chartered accountant and see what is said about good business accounting, seems to have gone the same way as our legal advice.
Strange event of this week would have to be the article about our current President in a bike magazine with strong links to the purple circle,
While everyone applauds the current presidents past contribution to the sport ,did anyone else note the term INDUSTRY INSIDER
Given the ringing endorsement from the head of the importers and distributors Association for her opponent and a deafning silence in regards to her , someone is looking thru very rose coloured glasses