View Full Version : Are motorcycles really that fast?
sinned
4th May 2009, 21:06
Here is a useful link to show disbelievers. http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/carmotorcycleperformancecharts1.htm
The tables could do with an update but are still relevant.
Blackshear
4th May 2009, 21:11
GO THE CATERHAAAAAAAAAM!!!
Ha ha.
Poor cars, totally washed out, innem?
Not bad on the McLarens half, though. 1994 and all.
BUT!
Where's the Ultima?
GO THE CATERHAAAAAAAAAM!!!
Ha ha.
Poor cars, totally washed out, innem?
Not bad on the McLarens half, though. 1994 and all.
BUT!
Where's the Ultima?
err, about 7th wasn't it?
Looks like the ZX-14 is the cheapest way to go really really fast. It's a bargain!
They should have a new brand slogan, "Make yourself a Guiness World Record"
I like cars but.... yea, bike's are far cheaper to go faster.
Blackshear
4th May 2009, 21:16
err, about 7th wasn't it?
Jesus, sorry. I must be blind in my old age.
YAY KITCAR!
Mikkel
4th May 2009, 21:20
Gotta love the Citroen 2CV! :rofl:
9 BHP, 36.7 s 1/4 mile...
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 21:28
mr2 gt 1994 173hp? nooooo wrong....that's a g-ltd gen2 grrr
Amusing though. but a standing mile would be alot better IMHO
sinned
4th May 2009, 21:28
Looks like the ZX-14 is the cheapest way to go really really fast. It's a bargain!
The table is out of date - GenII Hayabusa is up there with the ZX14 and is well priced at $20k. Purely academic as I can't go that fast.
CookMySock
4th May 2009, 21:31
Gotta love the Citroen 2CV! :rofl: 9 BHP, 36.7 s 1/4 mile...Ah, but did you know the 2CV has digressive shim-stack suspension, ALA Ohlins? I shit you not.
Steve
Blackshear
4th May 2009, 21:32
The table is out of date - GenII Hayabusa is up there with the ZX14 and is well priced at $20k. Purely academic as I can't go that fast.
Spot the Busa owner :whistle:
How comfortable is it on longer rides? Just randomly.
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 21:32
Strap the damn bikes down and go set some mighty times. It's sad how people think all quarters are real for their vehicle, they change at every track. We can't get the rail to run faster than 7.20 at mere mere [spelling?] too bumpy. And my bike may give the 2cv a good run for its money with my great riding:sweatdrop
sinned
4th May 2009, 21:35
Spot the Busa owner :whistle:
How comfortable is it on longer rides? Just randomly.
Very comfortable - that's why I bought it :whistle: Its speed potential was purely a coincidental benefit ;)
Straight roads no matter how fast there ridden or how short they are are :yawn:surely?Apart from that they take any measure of ability out of the equation:zzzz:Each to there own i guess but seems to be the opposite to everything i enjoy about motorcycles.If bikes and cars are to be compared then a F1 car leaves most for dead once it gets traction.:zzzz:Remember following a Busa over the staircase on the coast,was amusing for awhile.
Mikkel
4th May 2009, 21:38
Would be interesting to see figures for dragsters and drag-bikes.
I'd say nothing can beat a 4x4 with enough ponys for a standing start.
Ah, but did you know the 2CV has digressive shim-stack suspension, ALA Ohlins? I shit you not.
All I know is that it is a classic... and that Citroen put out a guarantee that they would refund anyone who could manage to flip the car on a flat asphalt surface - they extended the guarantee in response to the unfounded rumour that the 2CV was prone to tipping over.
Blackshear
4th May 2009, 21:40
Speed
Potential
Coincidence
Oh, right right.
Must been gutted when you found out they were the fastest things on two wheels once you'd bought it :crybaby:
God speed to you and your obviously well-disciplined wrist!
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 21:42
God speed to you and your obviously well-disciplined wrist!
Correct me if I am wrong black shear, but is that a way of saying he is a semi wanker for having a nice bike?;)
sinned
4th May 2009, 21:43
The table demonstrates that most 600cc sports bikes will easily out accelerate all cages except for a handful of super cars. But we knew that :yawn:
The table demonstrates that most 600cc sports bikes will easily out accelerate all cages except for a handful of super cars. But we knew that :yawn: Funny you say that,on many real world roads/racetracks 600s ridden well will be faster than 1000s and certainly Busas.
Blackshear
4th May 2009, 21:48
Correct me if I am wrong black shear, but is that a way of saying he is a semi wanker for having a nice bike?;)
You shall be corrected.
He's an asshole, 'cause his bike is a LOT faster than mine.
And I don't have his bike.
But yeah ha ha, no matter how I worded that sentence, short of saying 'throttle control', SOMEONE was gonna pick up on it!
I wanna faster biiike :crybaby:
MaxCannon
4th May 2009, 21:50
Knock me down with a feather it says the Bandit can do sub 13 quarters.
Doesn't feel that fast.
I think the real trick is the rider.
With me aboard I think you could add about 3 seconds to the time - till I got the hang of it at least.
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 21:55
You shall be corrected.
He's an asshole, 'cause his bike is a LOT faster than mine.
And I don't have his bike.
But yeah ha ha, no matter how I worded that sentence, short of saying 'throttle control', SOMEONE was gonna pick up on it!
I wanna faster biiike :crybaby:
Just permanently have your knee on the deck, it will make up for both of our bikes ;)
Blackshear
4th May 2009, 22:01
Just permanently have your knee on the deck, it will make up for both of our bikes ;)
Until you finish that turbo bike you promised the homeless and starving children :spanking:
sinned
4th May 2009, 22:01
Funny you say that,on many real world roads/racetracks 600s ridden well will be faster than 1000s and certainly Busas. Agreed - I am often past on the Rimutakas and other road race tracks, even 250s pass me - downhill. However, after a day in the saddle I can still walk.
Problem is quoting just the 400m times is not an accurate account of speed. Super cars stop on a dime and out corner bikes. They brake later and harder, pull higher G's and are on the power sooner. They also use aerodynamic trickery to push the car onto the road. I also think the trick is the rider or driver. It's the man not the machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Man0X0bf8vk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfy1VO4ePlA&feature=related
Agreed - I am often past on the Rimutakas and other road race tracks, even 250s pass me - downhill. However, after a day in the saddle I can still walk.
Fair call and a worthy attribute.A two up mile eater that cant be beat i would imagine.
CookMySock
4th May 2009, 22:10
All I know is that it is a classic... and that Citroen put out a guarantee that they would refund anyone who could manage to flip the car on a flat asphalt surface - they extended the guarantee in response to the unfounded rumour that the 2CV was prone to tipping over.Yeah our family had a bunch of the cars years ago. We used to pull all sorts of stunts in them. Our favorite was hitting traffic humps at about 50-60mph. You should see them hold on - but the car whipped over them like they weren't there. :killingme
Our other favorite was to barrel along at about 80mph and suddenly and brutally swerve off the tar seal and onto the gravel and the grass and sit there with one hand on the wheel and chat away with them like it was nothing. :crazy: They were like HOLY SHIT MAAAAAAN FARKEN ARRRRRSE MAAAAAN!!!!
I was driving on a trip one day, and I was suuuure I could detect something funny with one tyre. "Nah its in my head" methinks and carries on.. (80mph highway driving with corners) and some minutes later.. nah something is amiss, one corner feels spongy when I waltz the steering - soft tyre I bet.. So I haul up, and have a look and the right hand front tyre is COMPLETELY FUCKED!!! WHA???
Digressive suspension FTW!
Steve
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 22:11
Until you finish that turbo bike you promised the homeless and starving children :spanking:
Getting there mate ;) Be patient, I'm trying to be. May end up using the snail from a ca18et, but that's a bed time story
Tony W
4th May 2009, 22:11
Add a few corners and then where would your precious bikes be....
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 22:13
Add a few corners and then where would your precious bikes be....
Casually dragging the knee waiting to destroy the cage down the next straight and the rider would be happy.
Our other favorite was to barrel along at about 80mph and suddenly and brutally swerve off the tar seal and onto the gravel and the grass and sit there with one hand on the wheel and chat away with them like it was nothing. :crazy: They were like HOLY SHIT MAAAAAAN FARKEN ARRRRRSE MAAAAAN!!!!
I was driving on a trip one day, and I was suuuure I could detect something funny with one tyre. "Nah its in my head" methinks and carries on.. (80mph highway driving with corners) and some minutes later.. nah something is amiss, one corner feels spongy when I waltz the steering - soft tyre I bet.. So I haul up, and have a look and the right hand front tyre is COMPLETELY FUCKED!!! WHA???
Digressive suspension FTW!
Steve
I thought the speeds sounded too good to be true....
A quote from the Wikipedia entry on the Citreon 2V:
Performance
When asked about the 2CVs performance and acceleration, many owners said it went "from 0-60 in one day". Others jokingly said they "had to make an appointment to merge onto an interstate highway system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_highway_system)".
The original 1948 model that produced only 9 hp had a top speed of just 40 mph, far below speeds necessary for North American highways. The top speed would increase with engine size to 49 mph in 1955, 52 mph in 1962, 63 mph in 1970, but would not finally be capable of US freeway speeds of 71 mph until 1981. <sup id="cite_ref-conceptcarz_2-1" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV#cite_note-conceptcarz-2)</sup>
The last evolution of the 2CV engine was the Citroën Visa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Visa) flat-2, a 652 cc featuring an electronic ignition. Citroën never sold this engine in the 2CV, however some enthusiasts have converted their 2CVs to 652 engines.
If you are going to bullshit, at least make it sound plausible. :)
Blackshear
4th May 2009, 22:19
Yeah our family had a bunch of the cars years ago. We used to pull all sorts of stunts in them. Our favorite was hitting traffic humps at about 50-60mph. You should see them hold on - but the car whipped over them like they weren't there. :killingme
Our other favorite was to barrel along at about 80mph and suddenly and brutally swerve off the tar seal and onto the gravel and the grass and sit there with one hand on the wheel and chat away with them like it was nothing. :crazy: They were like HOLY SHIT MAAAAAAN FARKEN ARRRRRSE MAAAAAN!!!!
I was driving on a trip one day, and I was suuuure I could detect something funny with one tyre. "Nah its in my head" methinks and carries on.. (80mph highway driving with corners) and some minutes later.. nah something is amiss, one corner feels spongy when I waltz the steering - soft tyre I bet.. So I haul up, and have a look and the right hand front tyre is COMPLETELY FUCKED!!! WHA???
Digressive suspension FTW!
Steve
I need to spread bling around before giving it to you again :Oops:
You sadistic piece of work you! :lol:
Getting there mate ;) Be patient, I'm trying to be. May end up using the snail from a ca18et, but that's a bed time story
That story smells of turbo lag...
But then again I'm not fully into the inner workings of them power-cheaters.
Rockbuddy
4th May 2009, 22:19
Straight roads no matter how fast there ridden or how short they are are :yawn:surely?Apart from that they take any measure of ability out of the equation:zzzz:Each to there own i guess but seems to be the opposite to everything i enjoy about motorcycles.If bikes and cars are to be compared then a F1 car leaves most for dead once it gets traction.:zzzz:Remember following a Busa over the staircase on the coast,was amusing for awhile.
yep compare them on a circuit not a straight line and an F1 car will beat a motogp bike, if you compare track records where F1 and motogp use the same track Catalunya for example nearly 20seconds a lap difference
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 22:27
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That story smells of turbo lag...
But then again I'm not fully into the inner workings of them power-cheaters.
Yeah it's an odd air reearch turbo, and will lag ALOT
2cv ftw
Watch all 3,imagine what it would do to a Busa,like i said once it gets traction its wtf is a motorcycle.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUBCNg3xO8
Big Dave
4th May 2009, 22:38
11.9 for a Trophy 1200! They. Are. Dreamin'.
11.9 for a Trophy 1200! They. Are. Dreamin'.
Yep had one of these. If you took the luggage off and lightened the bike by empting the glove boxes it would have done a 12. My bike had a K+N and a jet kit but even stock had a very strong mid range.
I think that chart simply proves why Jeremy Clarkson hates bikes...
Edit: As for a motorcycle website that does not know how to spell "motorcycle"... sad.
Perfomance Chart 1 - Motorcyles and Cars
Mikkel
5th May 2009, 10:58
I thought the speeds sounded too good to be true....
A quote from the Wikipedia entry on the Citreon 2V:
Performance
When asked about the 2CVs performance and acceleration, many owners said it went "from 0-60 in one day". Others jokingly said they "had to make an appointment to merge onto an interstate highway system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_highway_system)".
The original 1948 model that produced only 9 hp had a top speed of just 40 mph, far below speeds necessary for North American highways. The top speed would increase with engine size to 49 mph in 1955, 52 mph in 1962, 63 mph in 1970, but would not finally be capable of US freeway speeds of 71 mph until 1981. <sup id="cite_ref-conceptcarz_2-1" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV#cite_note-conceptcarz-2)</sup>
The last evolution of the 2CV engine was the Citroën Visa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Visa) flat-2, a 652 cc featuring an electronic ignition. Citroën never sold this engine in the 2CV, however some enthusiasts have converted their 2CVs to 652 engines.
Trust me, 30 mph in anything that wobly will feel like 60 mph. And I am pretty sure that the last contribution from the French in the field of metrology (not meteorology) was laying down the standard meter. I.e. the speed-o-meter is probably not going to be very precise.
That said, if it was in NZ it isn't unlikely they chucked a supercharged hemi into the poor car.
If you are going to bullshit, at least make it sound plausible. :)
You are missing the whole point of talking bullshit mate! :no:
Here's an idea - dunno if it has been done - a 2CV monster truck. Now that would be something else...
Eddieb
5th May 2009, 17:43
Here's an idea - dunno if it has been done - a 2CV monster truck. Now that would be something else...
A quick search indicates some weird things have been done with them.
2CV boats (http://jalopnik.com/cars/citroen/2cv-nautiques-152843.php)
2CV TRUCK (http://www.citrobe.org/pictures/nedtrck.JPG)
I also found reference to an All Wheel Drive, and V8 conversion but the links were dead.
Big Dave
5th May 2009, 18:06
Yep had one of these. If you took the luggage off and lightened the bike by empting the glove boxes it would have done a 12. My bike had a K+N and a jet kit but even stock had a very strong mid range.
Mine had Daytona 1200 pistons and cams, K&N, Dynojet Neptune Mufflers and 120hp by the time I was done.
sinned
5th May 2009, 18:47
Mine had Daytona 1200 pistons and cams, K&N, Dynojet Neptune Mufflers and 120hp by the time I was done.
And are you telling us it was still a dog? :crybaby:
_intense_
5th May 2009, 18:48
So anyone else never heard of a "Honda CBR600 ss" errr no such thing? who compiled this table and how can we verify it? (well anyone keen for so backroad trials?)
And they only have the one MV in there, a 2001 750, ...where are the thou's?? .............and if we add corners we all know the MV is the fastest proddy bike eh?:bash:
And they only have the one MV in there, a 2001 750, ...where are the thou's?? .............and if we add corners we all know the MV is the fastest proddy bike eh?:bash:
.........surely someone will bite hahaha..........:sweatdrop
ducatilover
5th May 2009, 21:12
So anyone else never heard of a "Honda CBR600 ss" errr no such thing? who compiled this table and how can we verify it? (well anyone keen for so backroad trials?)
I'm keen. My 34rwhp will destroy all:woohoo:
cheshirecat
5th May 2009, 22:06
Jesus, sorry. I must be blind in my old age.
YAY KITCAR!
About the same as my old Range Rover but with less petrol.
Mind you I wouldn't take the 2CV on around a 50kph right angled bumpy corner.
Edbear
5th May 2009, 22:16
I've had a few fast cars... some have even been known to go from 0 - 60mph on the same day... Okay, that was downhill, but... ;)
Tch tch. They should be reproved for speeding . Speed kills, this I know, for the gubbermint tells me so.
ducatilover
5th May 2009, 22:42
Tch tch. They should be reproved for speeding . Speed kills, this I know, for the gubbermint tells me so.
meth kills more than speed.
Mikkel
5th May 2009, 22:43
And they only have the one MV in there, a 2001 750, ...where are the thou's?? .............and if we add corners we all know the MV is the fastest proddy bike eh?:bash:
Only problem with the MVs is that you start to give up on one of the big advantages of bikes versus cars - affordable performance ;)
madbikeboy
5th May 2009, 22:49
Vehicle Year BHP 1/4 Mile Seconds 1/4 Mile mph
Kawasaki ZX-14 2006 197 9.7 147
RSS Yamaha R17 2001 160 9.8 152
Suzuki GSX-R 1000 2001 152 9.8 144
Suzuki Hayabusa 2002 160 9.9 136
Holeshot Turbo R1 2001 215 9.9 145
I've heard through the grapevine, of a rumour of K2 thou (2up) owning a new V8 BMW M3 - twice...
$180k versus $10k...
Big Dave
5th May 2009, 23:08
And are you telling us it was still a dog? :crybaby:
Nah - it was real nice when it was done. Ohlin's Race Tech, emulators, paint.
It was pretty wheezey when I got it though was wot I meant.
Leghorn Voice: Breath I tells ya - couldn't breathe. Euro regulations - don't got no wind.
Only problem with the MVs is that you start to give up on one of the big advantages of bikes versus cars - affordable performance ;)
The MV312R lapped the Nurburgring faster than the Bugatti Veyron (and faster than all other bikes.....17 seconds back was the local champ on an R1)
madbikeboy
6th May 2009, 11:18
The MV312R lapped the Nurburgring faster than the Bugatti Veyron (and faster than all other bikes.....17 seconds back was the local champ on an R1)
Which then got a serve from a K8 GSXR600 - same rider. 7.17. Bike had a lot of work - interesting reading...:
http://londonbikers.com/news/10702/witness-the-p3-suzuki-gsxr600-k8-superlite
Which just goes to show, GSXR's own the racetrack and the street...
Mikkel
6th May 2009, 12:34
The MV312R lapped the Nurburgring faster than the Bugatti Veyron (and faster than all other bikes.....17 seconds back was the local champ on an R1)
That's impressive. I wouldn't have thought I bike would be able to outperform a seriously expensive car on the Nurburgring. Have you got the figures? How do they compare to the lists:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nordschleife_lap_times_(racing)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nordschleife_lap_times_(sport_auto)#Supert est_Nordschleife
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times
Which just goes to show, GSXR's own the racetrack and the street...
And if you buy matching leathers you'll blend in with all the other weekend warriors too.
madbikeboy
6th May 2009, 13:10
That's impressive. I wouldn't have thought I bike would be able to outperform a seriously expensive car on the Nurburgring. Have you got the figures? How do they compare to the lists:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nordschleife_lap_times_(racing)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nordschleife_lap_times_(sport_auto)#Supert est_Nordschleife
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times
And if you buy matching leathers you'll blend in with all the other weekend warriors too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times
Okay, so the lap record is 7.17 on a K8 GSXR600. That is backed up with a video evidencing the laptime.
So, that puts the bike second behind the Radical SR8 (whatever the fuck that is). The first real world (ish) car is the GTR at 7.27. So, I guess that answers that question.
Interesting, the MV August time is listed as 7.01 on this page - which is the only place I've seen that reported.
Mikkel
6th May 2009, 13:12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times
Okay, so the lap record is 7.17 on a K8 GSXR600. That is backed up with a video evidencing the laptime.
So, that puts the bike second behind the Radical SR8 (whatever the fuck that is). The first real world (ish) car is the GTR at 7.27. So, I guess that answers that question.
Interesting, the MV August time is listed as 7.01 on this page - which is the only place I've seen that reported.
You should read this part - especially the highlighted bits:
The German magazine sport auto publishes its "Supertest" of cars, in which the lap time (usually driven by editor-in-chief Horst von Saurma) at the Nordschleife is the most discussed result. The magazine also runs a challenge for the fastest lap time driven with a car that is road legal (TÜV) and registered in Germany. The road legality rule also applies for the tyres.
British motorcycle magazine Performance Bikes Magazine began testing their bikes in a regular feature at the Nordschleife in March 2007 and finished in December 2007. Bikes were tested by Dale Lomas and a character named only as The Baron. As with sport auto, all machines tested are road-legal (albeit in the UK) and shod with road-legal Bridgestone BT002 Pro Race tyres. To date there are 28 lap times published in the regular feature. As motorcycles are forbidden to participate in industry pool sessions and after-hours test sessions, Performance Bikes were forced to test during quiet mid-week tourist sessions, where speed limits apply in some sections. This means their lap times are measured from bridge to gantry (see below) and are approximately 22 seconds shorter than a full 20.832 km (12.944 mi) Nordschleife lap.
dipshit
6th May 2009, 14:20
Which then got a serve from a K8 GSXR600 - same rider. 7.17. Bike had a lot of work - interesting reading...:
http://londonbikers.com/news/10702/witness-the-p3-suzuki-gsxr600-k8-superlite
Wow! That's very interesting.
Found the guy that built it on a GSXR forum... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3285287#post3285287
Mikkel
6th May 2009, 15:59
Wow! That's very interesting.
Indeed, but hardly any GSX-R left in there afterwards. Would be interesting to see how the 4Js would compare if all given a similar treatment.
meth kills more than speed.
Yeah but speeding is easier to catch and you can issue fines for it = easy dollers for the gubberment.... :bash:
You should read this part - especially the highlighted bits:
Well at least I opened the can of worms for you all. The MV did only run the 19.1km course, but the guy on the R1 (Baron) who was 17s adrift is one of the 'Ring' experts so I'm still impressed with the MVs time. I have done an 8:17.8 on the 20.853km course on a stock 750 but there was lots of traffic. Anything that goes 7:01.8 is mindbuggeringly fast ...big ups to the Gixxer rider too, although that bike is quite modified, probably as quick as most 1000 stockers. Nothing will ever (?????) come close to Bellof's time in the 956 tho.
madbikeboy
6th May 2009, 20:10
Indeed, but hardly any GSX-R left in there afterwards. Would be interesting to see how the 4Js would compare if all given a similar treatment.
I've been thinking about this for a while. If cost were no object, and you were able to build the ultimate bike - by this I mean something in the order of the P3 SuperLight GSXR600 - what would you use as the base?
I'd use a k7/8 GSXR750, and give it the superlight build. I'd use the same parts, but I'd add a carbon tank (8 litres max), larger airbox, Yoshi cams, full race system. I'd also go to the gym and lose the last 5 kg.
I've spent time and money on Scoot, but the reality is that a litre is absolute overkill, a thermonuclear device when a hammer would suffice. Unless you're Valentino, it's difficult to get close to the limit, and impossible on the street...
ducatilover
6th May 2009, 21:01
Yeah but speeding is easier to catch and you can issue fines for it = easy dollers for the gubberment.... :bash:
Yes that is also true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times
Okay, so the lap record is 7.17 on a K8 GSXR600. That is backed up with a video evidencing the laptime.
So, that puts the bike second behind the Radical SR8 (whatever the fuck that is). The first real world (ish) car is the GTR at 7.27. So, I guess that answers that question.
Interesting, the MV August time is listed as 7.01 on this page - which is the only place I've seen that reported. I do beleive the corvette zr1 [new cart sprung beast] has set down a faster lap than the gt-r on its nive potenza re80 [I think] semi slicks. Fastbikesmag and their gixxer 600 superlight was nice, 120hp at the wheel apparently and a shit load less weight and 6 pot calipers
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