KTM 990 - long term experience wanted

[Ruralman]

Hi Guys - I'm at that stage of whilst still being very happy with my Tiger, I keep looking around at what I would replace it with when all the planets align.

I have always liked the look of the big KTM and from the look of the new 990 it has overcome a few issues (especially in now having a seat it looks like two people could sit on for a decent length of time).

The reason these bikes appeal to me is that it appears to offer a lot more serious adventure riding potential without losing too much of what I like about the Tiger (great two up, comfortable on long trips with pretty good weather protection).

My concern about the KTM is about ownership costs and longevity - hopefully theres someone with longterm experience with one who can provide some informed comment.
The local dealer suggests they need 6000km servicing (my Transalp had a manufacturers recommendation of 12,000km and the Tiger 10,000km so coming back to 6000km's is a pain.
Is the servicing easy to do yourself? Are filters easy to replace?
What is the fuel consumption like on an easy highway cruise (110-120km/hr)?

What other problems do they have ? - would you be happy to buy a second hand one that had been well serviced but had ,say, 50-60,000km on it? When are motor rebuilds likely to be necessary?

Theres a huge difference in price between 990's and 950's on Trademe - is it worth the extra coin?

If anyone has some useful links I would appreciate it.
Thanks

[Gremlin]

I assume you mean the Adventure?

I have a 990SM. Service intervals are 7500km, and it chews gas, unless its in 6th gear (which requires 130kph with stock gear). Best fuel consumption, under 6L/100km, worst, around 8L/100km. Wheelies are making it eat gas even faster I think. It has been remapped, has exhausts etc, and runs rich (can't modify the map properly).

The 990 is fuel injected, the 950 carbed. The FI often makes it super snatchy, I found the 950 adventure I had as a short loaner gutless compared to the 990, but much smoother to ride around town, for example. Rough stuff, you'd want smooth throttle control for sure.

I've done 19,500km in the 5 months I've had it on the road, hasn't missed one beat, and done dirt, road, night, day, hot summer and pissing with rain freezing winter.

Servicing hasn't been cheap, but none of my bikes ever have been. The 990 motor only started showing signs of easing up around the 8-10,000km mark, supposed to be very very strong engines.

Simply... the best bike I have ever owned :woohoo:

[ducatijim]

Wot he said...

15km/litre and super snatchy throttle.....

Do yourself a real big favor and buy the new BMW F800gs....its a HONEY!

[Dazza]

I know your probably after Adventurer (sp) info,so not of much help here. Did 550k's on a 950 a couple of years back around Northland & really enjoyed the saddle time as my 05 Super Duke was in for the big 9.5hr service.
I traded my 05 Super Duke with 50,000k's on the clock, only issue was the waterpump seal/shaft went east @ 30,000k's but was all fixed under warranty. Battery was toast @ bang on 2yrs of service.
Traded her on a run-out 07 SD Aug/Sept last year & have now covered 17000k's & loving every moment, man I love these machines.As Gremlin stated the service intervals are 7500k's for my beast aswell. As she's still under warranty I get these done by the dealer. If your mechanically minded I'm sure servicing it yourself would'nt be an issue.
Happy deciding, if money wasn't an issue I'd have a Adenturer & a RC8R in the stable along side the Super Duke, I do love the Super Motard aswell but I can ride a mates one if I need that fix anytime ;)

[cooneyr]

Not an owner but if you like to read the web :crazy: then here is a couple of links

OC Hall of Wisdom (http://www.ktm950.info/) All about "Farkels, Repair Procedures, Technical Discussions and other stuff". This is a good place to start but it is tech descussions on what goes wrong and how to fix it with none of the whats good about the bikes bits so it can read pretty negative.

Other place to search and read till you've gone mad :wacko: is the adv rider Orange Crush Forum (http://www.advrider.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=34)

Cheers R

[Crisis management]

I would definately ride one for a while to see what you think of one, there are rentals around and that may be worth investigating. I have a bit of a love hate relationship with mine as I get frustrated with the throttle snatchiness and lack of fuel range (300kms ish) but it still puts a big grin on my face whenever I let it loose on gravel. My grumpiness with it stems from the fueling primarily (how come they can't get that right?) but also the minor faults and componentry failures as listed:

Clutches can be a bit dodgy, ask Oscar.
Clutch slave cylinder is rubbish and needs replacing with an aftermarket one.
Oil changes take two bloody hours and need half the bike dismantled so servicing is a bit expensive (I do my own).
Rear brake master cylinder was supposedly upgraded but I've had to replace mine again due to leakage.
Water pumps need watching and replacing as the seals and shaft wear.
I don't like the ABS, I know it's good on the seal but on gravel it needs turning off and it resets itself everytime you turn the bike off, it's a pain in the arse and prevents you stopping in deep gravel. The ABS also takes up all the under seat storage, makes the brakes feel mushy, weights about 10kgs and is probably related to Rodney Hide.
Headlight is crap and needs a Hella F50? driving light installed below it.
Standard KTM crash bars are a bit bendy, H&B bars are better.
Some say the seat is rubbish, it works for me.
The front screen is rubbish and causes buffeting and wind noise, this is a bit rider dependant with aftermartket screens being popular but I cut mine down and that works reasonably for me but weather protection is not great.
Side stand and centre stand are too long and make putting it on either stand a bit of a mission. The side stand holds the bike too upright and the centre stand requires a huge heave to get the bike onto.
Throttle snatch. Jerky and hard to control at off idle / low speed which is a real handful in slippery conditions. I have changed the twistgrip cam to ease the cable ramp, changed to a 16 tooth sprocket, removed the secondary throttle butterflies and now I am happy with it but it has to be treated with respect.
Fuel pump. There is some wingeing on the net about the pump dying but it is a very small number.

Good stuff:
21" front but the down side is a small contact patch and high wear rates under braking.
Spoked rims.....do you want to run tubeless?
Akrapovics.
Performance. Yeeha! There's nothing like 100hp sideways thru a corner, I find I need to ride it standing, like a dirt bike and then the gravel and slippery stuff is great, sitting down did not work for me.....bar risers are a good idea.

Compared to the Tiger (I've ridden Carys bike briefly and another 1050 for an hour or so) probably not as comfortable but a slimmer and quicker handling bike. I found the Tiger too big for me (175cm tall, 70kgs) and it seems to have a nice power delivery and gearbox, generally smoother.

I think, in summary, that it responds well to being thrashed but other bikes may do the touring style of riding better, I've come to view it as a huge enduro bike and if treated like that it seems to work for me (unless it falls on top of me at which stage I am well and truly stuffed).

[Padmei]

Great honest synopsis Crisis. Well done.

[Aslan]

what Padmei said Crisis - reading your candid assessment encourages me to be content with my 1150GS - like you and your 990 - I to like to stand up most of the time in gravel - cheers Aslan

[mickeyboy]

If you want a bike that can puff gsxr's on a hill road , is the most competent off road adventure bike full stop , will make you a better rider , is mega fun , can wheelie on the power in 2nd and with a slight rise in 3rd , then buy the ktm ! if you want second best buy something else it's thats simple ! If you have a brain bigger than a walnut you can most of your own servicing. If you buy a used one make sure any recalls have been done and get out and ride the wheels off it !

[Ruralman]

Thanks for all the comments (don't let that stop anyone else adding anything though!!) they are a big help.
I have a pretty good dirt bike in the Gas Gas which gets me my dirt bike, gravel chucking, wheelieing, mud chucking, rough shit thrills.
Sounds like if I wanted to do a lot of that on my "road bike" then the KTM would be the go - if the other uses are 90% plus (highway cruising, two up etc) then I'm probably better off with what I've got, and it will be quite a bit cheaper as well.
I would like to do the Yamaha 3 day adventure safari next year - the Gasser would probably be a pain on that (being a 2 stroke) and I would need to register it, so rather than buy a KTM I might be better off just hiring a bike.

[Oscar]

In 40 words or less: I've run a 990 and a 950 together for 3 months or so, and I'd have a 950 over a 990 any day.

[Ruralman]

In 40 words or less: I've run a 990 and a 950 together for 3 months or so, and I'd have a 950 over a 990 any day.

Can I ask you to lift your 40 words restriction and explain why?

[Oscar]

Can I ask you to lift your 40 words restriction and explain why?

I don't need anywhere near 40 words: Throttle response.

[dmc]

Buy a 950, fully service it check all the usual recalls, stick a set of TKC's on it and some nice pipes and pocket the rest of the difference in cost of the 990 and stick it in the tank.

[pampa]

My two cents, i've been following this thread http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147440

the guy has done 60,000miles

Good luck

[Newguy]

Maybe this will help you with your choice
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This is a buddy of mine and he has not complained one day about this bike. I have ridden it a bit as well and can certainly see one in my future. When he cruises with me the fuel consumption is no worse than my 400, 120km in 5th. What chews gas is the fact that it just wants to go the whole time and most of us tend to follow :woohoo:

[Oscar]

Buy a 950, fully service it check all the usual recalls, stick a set of TKC's on it and some nice pipes and pocket the rest of the difference in cost of the 990 and stick it in the tank.

Yup.
What he said.

[Digitdion]

I have done 12000km's in the last six months and about to take my 990 Adventure for a spin to the North Island. When considering a new bike hopefully you will take the advice of a few real fussy buggers with a big grain of salt. Yeah, the bike has a twitchy throttle. Only really an issue at very low speed.Remember its designed to go for it. Not the best on gas. mostly to do with the fact that the bike begs you to give it a good handfull. I love riding this bike. Its a beast and so much fun. not a cheap bike to service etc.you do know that though when you buy it.My Advice, go for a ride on a demo, and make you own mind up. That was the mistake I made about a year ago. Rode and had to get one. Oh, and whereever you go its a bike enthusias magnet.

[young1]

Time for my 10 cents worth!

I come from a dirt bike background, I have had two road bikes - a VTR 250 and a Ducati SS750. The 990 is like a big dirt bike, I love the seating position etc, I feel in control. Although I love Ducati's reaching forward for the bars I never really felt in control.

All the comments about throttle snatch etc etc make me smile. Standard it is bad. I have geared my bike down one tooth on the front and AFC motorcycles have done the throttle cam thing. Now I can not fault it. However you have to remember there is a lot of horsepower waiting to go through that back wheel - that can be a lot of fun, or it can tighten the old butt muscles!!

Screen is crap, although if I ride more at the speed limit it isn't so bad.

For me, when ever I walk into the garage and see it sitting there it puts a smile on my face! I just love it.

[Digitdion]

Here Here YOUNG1. I second that.

[pete376403]

A friend has a 950 adventure. Heaps of power (too much in some places)
fuel consumption is not a great deal different to my KLR at similar speeds.
Rear tyre wear, though...

Regarding maintenance, he does all his own so not too bad, apart from the time and effort an oil change takes - lots of bits to remove.

[Digitdion]

These bikes are stallions. Wild at heart, built with performance in mind, and capable of something special.If you want a bike like that it will cost you a tad more at service time. But jeez, in these financial times I would say well worth the investment. I love my KTM 990 Adventure in orange!

[Waihou Thumper]

My 1.85 cents worth (Recession of course, don't ya know)

I kept the 640A and got rid of the beast....
Knew it wouldnt perform for me, going over the ski fields in Ruapehu, it wan't much fun in tighter, slower terrain, but it is a wilderbeast on the road....BUT, it is meant to be an adventure bike?.....hmmm:Oops:

At the end of the day if you want a bike for the tighter trails, slower turns, the knarly up and downs of something like the 42nd Traverse or tighter places, get a 450...
If you want to explore at high speeds on the metal roads, flicking the tail out and watching the rear wheel flick endlessly, the 990A will do it!
Gas is the issue though as it does beg to be ridden like a road bike on some roads...

[Digitdion]

NZKTM, I have a question for you. Do you ever see the bike in a race(EG paris -dakar) going real slow thru technical stuff? I have not. I have always seen it always going like the clappers over wide open terrain.

Bottom line is, if you buy a machine to thread thru tight technical stuff you do not buy a bike like this.

[Waihou Thumper]

NZKTM, I have a question for you. Do you ever see the bike in a race(EG paris -dakar) going real slow thru technical stuff? I have not. I have always seen it always going like the clappers over wide open terrain.

Bottom line is, if you buy a machine to thread thru tight technical stuff you do not buy a bike like this.


The Dakar isn't about going flat out all of the time, you would end up getting killed. There are sections that require slower speeds too. I was merely suggesting that due to the Horsepower of the Motorcycle it may be more suited for the wider expanse of roads and dirt trails.
The 990 has been tried in the Paris-Dakar and they failed miserably, why?
They are simply too heavy. When riders got into the desert, the bikes really bogged down, and I guess the continual digging, picking up etc took the toll on the riders.
Hence, the 640 Rallye, the 640A in earlier days was the more suitable machine.
I totally agree with your last two lines. Yes, these are not the machines for tighter terrain. Even that was abundantly clear with BMW too...

[NordieBoy]

The 990 has been tried in the Paris-Dakar and they failed miserably, why?

Because twins above 450cc were banned?

[dmc]

The 990 has been tried in the Paris-Dakar and they failed miserably, why?


Slightly over the top I would say, Honda, BMW, Yamaha, Cagiva and KTM all won on big twins, the organisers decided to ban large twins in a bid to make it easier for the amateurs to compete against the pro teams tho alot say the pressure was on as guys were killing themselves racing at 200+ on the KTM's.
They changed the race's target towards the smaller bikes so the big twins are a thing of the past but in their day the twins like the KTM were the only real option if you wanted to win.

[Waihou Thumper]

Because twins above 450cc were banned?

Correct NordieBoy, thanks.

Thanks fellas, yes, agree. Point taken and don't get me wrong, I did buy one and did love the speed factor.

[Waihou Thumper]

Slightly over the top I would say, Honda, BMW, Yamaha, Cagiva and KTM all won on big twins, the organisers decided to ban large twins in a bid to make it easier for the amateurs to compete against the pro teams tho alot say the pressure was on as guys were killing themselves racing at 200+ on the KTM's.
They changed the race's target towards the smaller bikes so the big twins are a thing of the past but in their day the twins like the KTM were the only real option if you wanted to win.

Yep, point taken again...:2thumbsup

This sums it up nicely me thinks...:whistle:

The KTM 950 Adventure is also up to the task as Meoni has proved in the Dakar but, being somewhat heavier, takes a lot more muscling around in the thick sand and over the technical stuff. On the fast tracks, when the 640's are reaching the end of their legs at around 160, the 950 will cruise past you sounding like a jet and run right up to over 200 km/h - yes, these are the speeds you can do on these bikes on sand roads!

[cooneyr]

Don't know when the big twins were banned but it looks like the 9x0's only one once - 2002 with Meoni as the pilot (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Dakar_Rally#List_of_winners)). From the footage that I've seen the benefit of the speed of the 950's was limited and over all the power and weight evened out the field so that the single riders were not that much slower. Besides Yammy has still won more times than a KTM :bleh:

Yamaha 9 wins
Honda 5 wins
BMW 6 wins
KTM 8 wins
Cagiva 2 wins

Really comes down to if you are a road blaster who is seriously into walking home speeds or if you want to carry a passenger. If you will be mostly one up I recon the 640 is the way to go.

Anyway this whole discussions is a bit off topic and a bit moot. We are comparing a Tiger/Tranny with an Adv. Yes the Adv is a "stallion" compared and it will be much better off road but at what cost I think was the original question?

Cheers R

[Waihou Thumper]

The reason these bikes appeal to me is that it appears to offer a lot more serious adventure riding potential without losing too much of what I like about the Tiger

Yes it definitely does, no doubt about it! :2thumbsup



My concern about the KTM is about ownership costs and longevity - hopefully theres someone with longterm experience with one who can provide some informed comment.


Ring Wheels of Thames. The mechanic there has a 2004? 990A, George. it has been around the clock, the bike gets used regularly. When he looked at the engine it was fine, no significant wear! He did do some maintenance but only because the bike was apart, but he felt it didn't need doing.
He is only too willing to share his thoughts. He rides fast and hard with that machine.



What is the fuel consumption like on an easy highway cruise (110-120km/hr)?

Can be good, reserve can be achieved in as little as 240Km, and as much as 310Km, but these bikes beg to be ridden hard and fast too...Budget might dictate.


would you be happy to buy a second hand one that had been well serviced but had ,say, 50-60,000km on it?

KTM do a thorough check on bikes and have a comprehensive ownership detail of what has and waht hasn't been done. It is in the database, if you are really serious, have a look at the bikes history. Most dealerships would be happy to let you have a look, then you can make up your mind, see what perhaps has been missing



Theres a huge difference in price between 990's and 950's on Trademe - is it worth the extra coin?

No, I don't think so, and many owners prefer the pre fuel injected models due to all of the little hic-cups with the throttle. It never really concerned me though. A colleague of mine has a 950, I had the 990, he rode the 990, all he really said was that the cabling is much more tidier around the dash area. It is, it is neater and overall the bike is finished a little better.


If anyone has some useful links I would appreciate it.
Thanks

Of course ADV.com, these guys are good. There is also a great you tube video of a guy in Canada that has nothing better to do than disasseble his KTM over winter. I think it is 10 parts and is very informative. He boasts that he can take it apart within a time frame blindfolded, and he does! seriously...

[NordieBoy]

Slightly over the top I would say, Honda, BMW, Yamaha, Cagiva and KTM all won on big twins, the organisers decided to ban large twins in a bid to make it easier for the amateurs to compete against the pro teams tho alot say the pressure was on as guys were killing themselves racing at 200+ on the KTM's.
They changed the race's target towards the smaller bikes so the big twins are a thing of the past but in their day the twins like the KTM were the only real option if you wanted to win.

They also capped the max speed at 160kph for a couple of Dakars.
Including one in which they then changed their minds and opened it up again at the race briefing... Slightly too late to be of any benefit to the riders who'd set their bikes up for <160kph.

[Padmei]

I think what you may be aware of by now Ruralman is that KTM riders are pretty fanatical about their machines. That's why I found Crisis managements account very interesting.

I quite like the blue ones myself (with big dakar decal)

[Woodman]

Off topic slightly, but I have trouble seeing the point of them really, would have to have a go to have my mind changed.

[dmc]

KTM do a thorough check on bikes and have a comprehensive ownership detail of what has and waht hasn't been done. It is in the database, if you are really serious, have a look at the bikes history. Most dealerships would be happy to let you have a look, then you can make up your mind, see what perhaps has been missing


Yes and no, their dealer warranty database changed in 05? so before then they can tell if parts where sent to a dealer but no record of whether the parts were ever fitted, on earlier bikes just check and see if the recalls have been done, some you can tell from outside like the head nuts others you have to start pulling things apart. Its worth making sure they are done....believe me.

[dmc]

Off topic slightly, but I have trouble seeing the point of them really, would have to have a go to have my mind changed.

Riding one can get expensive.

[Woodman]

Riding one can get expensive.

Riding a KLR can get expensive.

[warewolf]

Side stand and centre stand are too long and make putting it on either stand a bit of a mission. The side stand holds the bike too upright and the centre stand requires a huge heave to get the bike onto.On that point, have you tried it with a fresh set of really knobby tyres in slightly soft terrain? Those tyres can be slightly largely diameter necessitating a bit more length on the stands. KTM would factor that in, they did on the 640. Ye olde adventure compromise... :argh:

Sounds like the 9x0 has a bit more of everything than the 640: more power, more weight, more issues, and more severe issues (yeah, yeah, and more smoothness).

[Crisis management]

Off topic slightly, but I have trouble seeing the point of them really, would have to have a go to have my mind changed.

Having spent a chunk of saturday blasting gravel roads north of Auckland I'm in the love phase again, there really isn't anything quite like the 990 on song...don't ask about tank range tho ok?


On that point, have you tried it with a fresh set of really knobby tyres in slightly soft terrain? Those tyres can be slightly largely diameter necessitating a bit more length on the stands.

Hadn't thought of that Colin, it certainly is a bit of a compromise as it gets heavy very quickly when it leans over on you and too short a stand would exagerate that problem.

Like all these bikes, compromise is the description and it really is up to the individual about where that line is drawn, possibly for me the 640 Adventure would be a better fit, anyone want to buy a 990, never been out in the rain?

[marks]

Like all these bikes, compromise is the description and it really is up to the individual about where that line is drawn, possibly for me the 640 Adventure would be a better fit, anyone want to buy a 990, never been out in the rain?

throw your 990 and 200 into a blender and you'd get a 640/690
best of both worlds on some days
and worst of both worlds on other days

if I had to limit myself to just one bike a 640/690 would probably be it (or If I was broke and gay - a DR650)

[Bass]

and worst of both worlds on other days

if I had to limit myself to just one bike a 640/690 would probably be it (or since I'm broke and gay - a DR650)

You do realise don't you, that you are now morally obligated to ignore everything I wrote about sorting out your DT

[Crisis management]

throw your 990 and 200 into a blender and you'd get a 640/690


You leave the 200 out of it, what other bike can you endo at 80k/hr up a 2 m bank, pick it up and ride off, that bikes a keeper! It's more likely my body that will give up first.

Faintly on topic, a 690E with a decent tank is probably a good option.

[Paladin]

.......

if I had to limit myself to just one bike a 640/690 would probably be it (or If I was broke and gay - a DR650)

:Oi:

I might be broke(financially & bodily!) but I seriously resent the "gay" remark, unless you mean "happy"!

:whistle:

[ducatijim]

Hey....how do you like 13.6km/L ??

Crap eh!! That was my last fill from riding here in WA out on the big sweepers

F800gs will pull 20+ and not break a sweat.

The 'orange rush' fanaticism is purely the average males desire NOT to look like a dick in front of his peers.....yeah....REALLY!!!
( No red blooded male EVER wants to admit that he may have not made the best decision and not have the best girlfriend/wife/car/bach/rideon/motorcycle...sad I know.....but true.)

[young1]

F800gs will pull 20+ and not break a sweat.



But I don't want one of them!

[dmc]

Hey....how do you like 13.6km/L ??

Crap eh!! That was my last fill from riding here in WA out on the big sweepers

F800gs will pull 20+ and not break a sweat.

The 'orange rush' fanaticism is purely the average males desire NOT to look like a dick in front of his peers.....yeah....REALLY!!!
( No red blooded male EVER wants to admit that he may have not made the best decision and not have the best girlfriend/wife/car/bach/rideon/motorcycle...sad I know.....but true.)

There are bikes that are better on gas, there are bikes that are more comfortable, there are bikes that are better on slow technical goat tracks.........I know they have some issues but what doesn't, but one thing I'm 100% sure of is I made the right decision. :2thumbsup

[Digitdion]

There are bikes that are better on gas, there are bikes that are more comfortable, there are bikes that are better on slow technical goat tracks.........I know they have some issues but what doesn't, but one thing I'm 100% sure of is I made the right decision. :2thumbsup

Nice one brother! I hear Ya! I second that
Hah, DUCATIJIM, you seem to know alot about the mental movitation of a KTM rider. So would you agree with the assumption that all BMW 800GS owners are boring gits who are scared to to go the hole hog and get a KTM. Just a theory of course.

[NordieBoy]

Admit it.
You're all DR lovers who need the safety of an extra cylinder just in case...

[dmc]

I would take a 690 Adventure (if the ever make the bloody thing) but not a DR :innocent:

[Oscar]

Nice one brother! I hear Ya! I second that
Hah, DUCATIJIM, you seem to know alot about the mental movitation of a KTM rider. So would you agree with the assumption that all BMW 800GS owners are boring gits who are scared to to go the hole hog and get a KTM. Just a theory of course.

Don't be knocking BMW's - gurlies have to ride too:whistle:

[Crisis management]

I would take a 690 Adventure (if the ever make the bloody thing) but not a DR :innocent:

Just as a matter of interest, I've had a brief look at the 690E and it's available with luggage and a screen from KTM and a second fuel tank (from Acerbis?) that increases the capacity from 12 to 26 litres.

Is this not a 690 Adventure? If you're buying new thats probably about $20k tho so value for money may be a different debate.

[dmc]

Nope thats still just an upgraded Enduro, the adventure will come some day and it will replace the old 640 Adventure, there are a few pics around of the factory Rallye and it should be something like that.
I considered getting the Enduro and getting the tanks etc but at the end of the day its going to cost too much and when the Adventure does arrive it would likely be better spec'd out so I went with a 950 until it gets made.

[ducatijim]

But I don't want one of them!

So.....who cares?

[ducatijim]

you seem to know alot about the mental movitation of a KTM rider.

Owww, ouch....might have cut too close to the bone did I?

Anywayz....did I mention......

the 990 delivers 'wood' when you are out there doin what it does best..........

.........................RIDING................... ................:clap:

[Ruralman]

Well I walked into McIver and Veitch in Dunedin the other day and here's this big bright new 990 Adventure R - new colour scheme looks fantastic and theres been some techy changes from the previous model as well.

I've sat on it and liked it, I have put my beloved on the back and she likes it (whew) - all that remains is for the horrible freakin weather to improve and I will take it out for a ride. If thats a clincher then the deal making may well begin.
If I do buy it then I reckon the Yamaha SOuth Island 3 day adventure ride might have to be a must do.

One of the owners just got back from touring around Europe on one of these - had his wife on the back most of the time. He reckoned he got 360km from one tank before he filled it (cruising steadily but at around 120 when possible) but that when you wick them up they gobble the juice a LOT faster but they're also performing like nothing else at that point as well!!

[Gremlin]

My KTM sips on gas the least in top gear... which needs at least 130kph :pinch:

[oldrider]

Well I walked into McIver and Veitch in Dunedin the other day and here's this big bright new 990 Adventure R - new colour scheme looks fantastic and theres been some techy changes from the previous model as well.

I've sat on it and liked it, I have put my beloved on the back and she likes it (whew) - all that remains is for the horrible freakin weather to improve and I will take it out for a ride. If thats a clincher then the deal making may well begin.
If I do buy it then I reckon the Yamaha SOuth Island 3 day adventure ride might have to be a must do.

One of the owners just got back from touring around Europe on one of these - had his wife on the back most of the time. He reckoned he got 360km from one tank before he filled it (cruising steadily but at around 120 when possible) but that when you wick them up they gobble the juice a LOT faster but they're also performing like nothing else at that point as well!!

Brucie, did you fall and hurt your head or something!

Are you expecting a windfall wool cheque or something?

What can the KTM do that your Tiger (with a change of tyres) can't do?

All you will be paying for is the tyres, how much will the change to the new KTM actualy cost you?

Then again, theres nothing like that feeling you get when you have a spent up large on a new bike, is there!

Don't forget to allow for the psycholigist's sessions when the after purchase blues kick in when you realise you didn't really nead to change bikes at all!

But who am I to cast doubts on the value of your dally into the Barvarian world of overpriced machinery.

Enjoy yourself, spend your money, the recession is almost over!

Let someone else enjoy the benifits they receive when they buy your traded Tiger for a pittance compared to what the trade up cost you!

Remember Brucie, I am but a phone call away, should you need further words of encouragement to help facilitate the departure of your hard earned "CASH"! :doh:

[dmc]

My KTM sips on gas the least in top gear... which needs at least 130kph :pinch:

The new model runs a 16 front from factory so won't need license losing speed for 6th.

[Ruralman]

Brucie, did you fall and hurt your head or something!

Are you expecting a windfall wool cheque or something?

What can the KTM do that your Tiger (with a change of tyres) can't do?

All you will be paying for is the tyres, how much will the change to the new KTM actualy cost you?

Then again, theres nothing like that feeling you get when you have a spent up large on a new bike, is there!

Don't forget to allow for the psycholigist's sessions when the after purchase blues kick in when you realise you didn't really nead to change bikes at all!

But who am I to cast doubts on the value of your dally into the Barvarian world of overpriced machinery.

Enjoy yourself, spend your money, the recession is almost over!

Let someone else enjoy the benifits they receive when they buy your traded Tiger for a pittance compared to what the trade up cost you!

Remember Brucie, I am but a phone call away, should you need further words of encouragement to help facilitate the departure of your hard earned "CASH"! :doh:

Oi there John - you trying to piss on my party :2guns: lol
I haven't ridden it yet so lets not immediately make judgement but:

1) I don't think the KTM's are necessarily overpriced - they just aren't built with as many compromises and budget bits as go on some others. If you spec up other bikes to the same grade of suspension etc the gap would often disappear (I see the new Transalp is listed at $21700 - I reckon THAT is getting seriously overpriced!!)

2) I do take issue with the Tiger doing all the same stuff with a change of tyres. The Tiger is a great adventure tourer - with more weight on the tourer than the adventure side of it. I want to be able to go a bit more rugged on some backcountry roads and tracks where the tracks can get rough, when riden briskly the bike can get airborne, where some obstacles are best taken with the front leg in the air (like small river/stream crossings).
The Tiger can be nursed around some of these sorts of trips but the 990 can be ridden more like a trail bike in these situations - with superior suspension an 18 inch rear and 21inch front wheels it just has some advantages.

3) You are right that if I do change then someone will end up with a bloody good Tiger. It takes ages getting a bike set up just right and I'm not really looking forward to going back and doing that again - although if I buy a new one then most things will have to be on it before I take it away.

Besides - if your legs were longer then you know you'd want one too :bleh:

[Ruralman]

I think they have finally cracked the looks side of things - this beast looks beautiful

[warewolf]

Hmm, jury is still out. Certainly looks more organic, less edgey than the earlier ones.

PS are you sure the price on that Tranny isn't a misprint... outrageous. What would the Varadero be priced at? 25...26...27K ???

[oldrider]

It's true, you can't have long legs "and" good looks, so I will just have to be happy with my short ones! :cool:

and of course my lowered Tiger. :blip: :ride:

[young1]

The new model runs a 16 front from factory so won't need license losing speed for 6th.

Is that one less than the last model? I had mine geared down 1 on the front at the first service, makes it a lot nicer in the gravel.

M

[CrazyFrog]

I think they have finally cracked the looks side of things - this beast looks beautiful

Yep, those white ones look this shizz alright. My mate has just got a 990 SMR in the same colour scheme, looks wicked.:first:

[oldrider]

I think they have finally cracked the looks side of things - this beast looks beautiful

I think the die is cast, "you are gonna get one"! :banana:

Enjoy the excitment of the occasion, new bikes are soooo infectious, they are always capable of so much more! :ride:

Trouble is, every time I get a new bike it always ends up with the same old rider, they never seem to be able to improve that department! :doh:

[dmc]

Is that one less than the last model? I had mine geared down 1 on the front at the first service, makes it a lot nicer in the gravel.

M

Yep, everyone I know of ditched the 17 for a 16.

[warewolf]

(I see the new Transalp is listed at $21700 - I reckon THAT is getting seriously overpriced!!)PS are you sure the price on that Tranny isn't a misprint... outrageous. What would the Varadero be priced at? 25...26...27K ???So where did you see that? June 2008 Kiwi Rider lists the Tranny at $14,495 (quick review) and the Varadero at $17,995 in the price list at the back.

[helenoftroy]

....and I will take it out for a ride. If thats a clincher then the deal making may well begin.



I think the die is cast, "you are gonna get one"! :banana:

Enjoy the excitment of the occasion, new bikes are soooo infectious, they are always capable of so much more! :ride:

Trouble is, every time I get a new bike it always ends up with the same old rider, they never seem to be able to improve that department! :doh:
Oh Ruralman!! oldrider is on the ball I reckon.....once you ride her it will be a done deal!!

Hey!!us more mature models are just perfection,none of us need improvement!!:hug:

Oh and Ruralman! gifter of fine fleece to this Spinner & Weaver!beautiful fibre ,a pleasure to work with!!

[Ruralman]

So where did you see that? June 2008 Kiwi Rider lists the Tranny at $14,495 (quick review) and the Varadero at $17,995 in the price list at the back.

I got that from last months Kiwirider mag - I think the one before had 2 different spec T/A's listed with the cheaper one about $18K - all bikes seem to have gone up as new stock has come into the country largely due to the lower $NZ. I see the new price for the Kawa Versys is over $15K now


Oh Ruralman!! oldrider is on the ball I reckon.....once you ride her it will be a done deal!!

Hey!!us more mature models are just perfection,none of us need improvement!!:hug:

Oh and Ruralman! gifter of fine fleece to this Spinner & Weaver!beautiful fibre ,a pleasure to work with!!

I don't see it as a done deal yet and I am still wondering whether I should come up to CHCH and test the GS800 - the trouble with that bike is that it would be a major pain not having dealer support down here (BMW needs a good kick up the arse for leaving that situation as long as they have)

I bloody know this mature person ain't anywhere near perfection - but the right mount always makes you a better rider aye!!

So I have fleeced the HOTty have I ??? - we expect to see photos of you wearing something before long. Should we start a poll to see what sort of garment KB'rs want to see you in ???

[Horney1]

I agree with Crisis Managements' various points. I've done about 65,000km on my '06 990 now.

I've had it stop for no reason at lights without reason on rare occassions. It also stopped dead one day. I thought it had dropped a cam chain. No, it had only dropped the cam chain drive cog! Was in the shop for 5 weeks waiting on a woodruff key.

It has (also prior to incident above) a shitty deep flat spot at ~3.5 - 4krpm. The mechanics over here in Melbourne don't seem to have the skill or desire to sort it out properly and I can't program the onboard computer without their proprietry computer. One day it hesitated doing a low speed U-turn at some lights on a busy 2x2 lane road. It fell sideways and I chose to have my arms near ripped off by catching it's weight rather than have it fall and break the mirror at zero k's :doh:

Every time it goes near the shop I find something they have stuffed up and have to fix it myself. (eg airbox hoses not attached, oil light switch not connected, rear brake pedal very loose & maladjusted, rear brake caliper 1/2 jammed etc). I can't wait to get some decent NZ mechanics onto it. In the meantime I've started servicing it myself now it's out of (expensive) warranty. It's certainly no basic bike and takes a lot of disassembly to do what should be simple tasks.

BUT, setting those things aside, it does have MOMENTS OF SHEAR BRILLIANCe and when it's "on song" it's oh so great!

I think if I was going to do it again I would consider a 950 or the enduro with carbs (although, it seems they also have their share of control mechanisms on the carbs). I'm still toying with the idea of aftermarket computers etc (and fewer sensors)...

[warewolf]

I got that from last months Kiwirider mag - I think the one before had 2 different spec T/A's listed with the cheaper one about $18K - all bikes seem to have gone up as new stock has come into the country largely due to the lower $NZ.Scary jump. :eek:


test the GS800The oilhead boxer GS is too much bike for me, but I'd seriously look at the 800. From what I hear the 800 engine is a gem, and the rest of the bike pretty good, too. Still may not be as geared towards gnarlier stuff like the KTM, but likely better at it than the Tiger or a boxer GS.

[ducatijim]

Scary jump. :eek:

The oilhead boxer GS is too much bike for me, but I'd seriously look at the 800. From what I hear the 800 engine is a gem, and the rest of the bike pretty good, too. Still may not be as geared towards gnarlier stuff like the KTM, but likely better at it than the Tiger or a boxer GS.

Very well said, think i tried to make those points somewhere.................?

I had a demo f800gs in my garage for a weekend and still ask myself WTF did I go for a KTM....I mean, even my wife hates the orange!!

Seriously thou, I ONLY chose the kt over the BM because of my expectation of useing it here in Ozzi, specifically in remote areas and know from previous experience here that 17" rear tyres and 19" fronts are like rockinghorse shit even in places like Darwin! Everything is 18,19 & 21" off the shelf in even the smallest little town.

In every respect, bar 'balls-out' trailing( which VERY few men can do on a bike that big), the BM is far superiour....

Like the Dilmarh tea man says>>>>>

DO TRY EET!!!!

[Padmei]

I love honesty:niceone:

[buzzard]

Just logged on to this website and saw this thread thought i would give you my experience.

I have a 2006 990 one of the first in NZ. It is a truly awesome bike and great fun to ride. I use it most days for a regular commute of around 20kms each way. I have some fuel stats I can dig our somewhere, i will try to remember to post them later.

The bike has performed very well with a couple of exceptions. firstly my battery died last year, around the bike 2 year birthday. It cost almost $500 from AMPS for a new one! Secondly the oil/water pump went last year. This was more problematic as the radiator coolant was being sucked into the engine and pooling. It took AMPS quite a long time (read that as lots of labour) to work this out and fix it, so $700ish later it was repaired. Other than normal services each year, which AMPS have done it has required nothing more that petrol.

the build quality is excellent and it is very comfortable to ride even over long distances. It has cruised around the South Island extremely comfortably. I have the Hepco and Becker cases (all 3) for it and these are great. The motor is great and I have had no problems with the twitchy throttle or flat spots - maybe I have gotten lucky.

I have periodically thought about trading it in for something more mundane and probably more suited to the riding (commuting) that I mainly do, but everytime I look at it that thought goes straight out of my head.

I am happy to answer any specific questions about the bike you may have. i would recommend a test drive - but only if you want to buy one. If you are having doubts, then dont test drive because you wont want anything else after a ride.

Cheers and good luck.

[Ruralman]

Thanks for all the great input. All going to plan I will test ride the bike tomorrow.

I've been looking at some UTube video of the BMW 800GS - Its a pretty capable machine and all the comments on here about them have been positive so I need to have a look at it as well. While I'm sure they won't be immune from their own issues I haven't heard of any - am I just looking in the wrong place??

Apparently Yamaha will have a 1200 version of the Tenere out sometime soon - I would expect it will be "up there" price wise as well and no doubt it will have the same weight issues that have riders preferring the GS 800 to the GS 1200.

Its bloody hard to get the perfect bike isn't it.

If KTM (and others) put a Km warranty on their bikes rather than just a 12 month one it would help - every car has it, why not a 50,000km (or more) warranty on a bike (with maybe a 3 or 5 yr period)

[warewolf]

the BMW 800GS - Its a pretty capable machine and all the comments on here about them have been positive so I need to have a look at it as well. While I'm sure they won't be immune from their own issues I haven't heard of any - am I just looking in the wrong place??Didja find this:
BMW F650GS & F800GS “Twins” Thread Index & Links (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415604)

or these:
800 GS Heat problem...don't buy one!! (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467021)
F800gs - Almost perfect except for poor suspension. (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398729) (vs KTM 990)
F800GS Clutch Failure.... (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459539)

Just some stuff I found after a quick search, no doubt there is more in that same forum.

[warewolf]

Uh Oh!!! Here's a quote from an F800GS owner:


The hard suspension also exerbates a very sensitive throttle which causes unintended imputs often at unsuitable moments.:jerry:

[ducatijim]

Didja find this:
BMW F650GS & F800GS “Twins” Thread Index & Links (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415604)

or these:
800 GS Heat problem...don't buy one!! (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467021)
F800gs - Almost perfect except for poor suspension. (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398729) (vs KTM 990)
F800GS Clutch Failure.... (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459539)

Just some stuff I found after a quick search, no doubt there is more in that same forum.

Wow, is that all you could find? Gee wolfie, you should search the ktm990 threads on popular sites sometime and see some real stories!!!:clap:

[ducatijim]

Secondly the oil/water pump went last year. This was more problematic as the radiator coolant was being sucked into the engine and pooling. It took AMPS quite a long time (read that as lots of labour) to work this out and fix it, so $700ish later it was repaired
.

Geez....I wonder if this may be my problem?

You see, I am having trouble convincing the starter to turn, and hence start, my bugger. I thought it was a dickie battery, but got to town and got it tested today and all fine there.
I have tried to turn the motor over with the wheel and the engine in 3rd gear...cant shift it at all, its like its 'hydrauliced'...or would you expect that from an engine of this size?

Just bloody fabulous....stuck in hicksville, out bush WA and the bloody austrian motorsickle won't go.....hang on a minute.....are those banjos I hear....just wait.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......

[warewolf]

No, it's just the first stuff I found.

Judgement was reserved; don't shoot the messenger!

[buzzard]

Geez....I wonder if this may be my problem?

You see, I am having trouble convincing the starter to turn, and hence start, my bugger. I thought it was a dickie battery, but got to town and got it tested today and all fine there.
I have tried to turn the motor over with the wheel and the engine in 3rd gear...cant shift it at all, its like its 'hydrauliced'...or would you expect that from an engine of this size?

Just bloody fabulous....stuck in hicksville, out bush WA and the bloody austrian motorsickle won't go.....hang on a minute.....are those banjos I hear....just wait.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......

That didnt happen for me, the motor kept running perfectly, it was just drinking liters of coolant. Now its fixed it still runs perfectly, so I guess that is testament to the build quality.

Not being mechanically minded at all i rely on "experts" to tell me what is wrong, however in AMPS case the experts turned out to be the adventure rider website. That is a great source of information, some of those guys are anal to the extreme about their bikes.

[Crisis management]

Geez....I wonder if this may be my problem?

You see, I am having trouble convincing the starter to turn, and hence start, my bugger. I thought it was a dickie battery, but got to town and got it tested today and all fine there.
I have tried to turn the motor over with the wheel and the engine in 3rd gear...cant shift it at all, its like its 'hydrauliced'...or would you expect that from an engine of this size?


The things I do to stop you whinging........
My in house testing, bike on centre stand and all 70kgs of trembling with exertion (only had one latte, so that could be the problem...)
1st gear, no bloody way is the wheel turning, I can lift the bike off the ground without any engine movement.
Ditto for 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th
6th gear the engine will reluctantly turn and I mean reluctantly.

DJ, if you have a leaky water pump you have a sump full of coolant and brown frothy oil, it's bloody obvious.

Battery....get your connections checked as it may be a loose connection / high resistance that causes the lack of starter oomph. However this is usually more obvious when the bikes been run and the wiring heats up and increases the resistance, typical scenario is: starts fine when cold but is a real bastard when hot with the starter barely turning over.

Failing that push start it, looks like in 6th gear at about 100km/hr. :jerry:

[Oscar]

Uh Oh!!! Here's a quote from an F800GS owner:

:jerry:

Vege made an astute observation about 990 throttle problems.
He said (and I've taken out the expletives) that some of the guys buying these things were "born again" or straight off big trailies, and therefore some of the problem was a lack of experience with that much horsepower.

This theory is certainly borne out by the fact that guys like 4skins and Mike Webb have no problems with 990 throttles.

[NordieBoy]

This theory is certainly borne out by the fact that guys like 4skins and Mike Webb have no problems with 990 throttles.

But do they ride with an analog throttle or digital thereby bypassing the problems and showering them with roost?

I know WoodMan rides his KLR using the throttle as a switch.

[Oscar]

But do they ride with an analog throttle or digital thereby bypassing the problems and showering them with roost?

I know WoodMan rides his KLR using the throttle as a switch.


Webb got straight on the 990 and proceeded to give a master class.
He was holding 5-6,000 rpm into the corner, to get it sliding and bypass the ABS.

[Crisis management]

Webb got straight on the 990 and proceeded to give a master class.

But Oscar, both Mr Forsyth and Mr Webb are exceptional riders and the rest of us are not in that class (or even the same school) so it's a bit unrealistic to use them as an example of what KTM was expecting it's target market to be. The truth is, it's a big powerful bike and needs an authorative hand to control it, no different to riding a GSXR or R1 and experienced riders are required but it should have decent fueling and the ability to provide fine throttle control out of the box.
KTM have let themselves down with this.

Just so my position is quite clear, I love KTM's, the engineering, the detail and the performance but the bikes should not have the reliability problems that they do.

[Oscar]

But Oscar, both Mr Forsyth and Mr Webb are exceptional riders and the rest of us are not in that class (or even the same school) so it's a bit unrealistic to use them as an example of what KTM was expecting it's target market to be. The truth is, it's a big powerful bike and needs an authorative hand to control it, no different to riding a GSXR or R1 and experienced riders are required but it should have decent fueling and the ability to provide fine throttle control out of the box.
KTM have let themselves down with this.

Just so my position is quite clear, I love KTM's, the engineering, the detail and the performance but the bikes should not have the reliability problems that they do.

Personally, I found the throttle thing annoying, but figured I could get used to it, but I agree that KTM did let themselves down with it.

Veges comments could actually be applied to the broader group.

Whereas I've seen some hairy riding on Brand Orange (remember "My Attorney" on that Raglan ride?), I've also seen guys out of their depth on other marques. I'm constantly amazed where guys start with a "small" DR650 or F650 and then graduate as soon as possible to a GS or Adv.

I can think of two or three guys with big Adv bikes that were lucky not to kill or maim themselves...

[Ruralman]

Well I picked up the big beast for a ride today on a fine but bloody chilly afternoon. With a new bike needing to be run in, new tyres with all the fluff still on them and lots of greasy patches it was a ride that needed to treat the bike and the road with some respect - we still found some bit to give it a good twist and a small gravel road to try that out too (but two up so no power slides today)
Two up we both found it very comfortable - suspension a tad hard but theres plenty of adjustment to sort that out.
Power wise - its got plenty but what impressed me was that it was linear grunt all the way up. I rode a Buell 1200 recently and that thing was like a 2 stroke with lots of power in a very narrow band but nothing below that - so much for all the bullshit about Harley torque!! - my Tiger blew it away in top gear roll ons. I didn't feel like the 990 power was heaps more than the Tiger but a side by side comparison might tell a different story - they both have enough.
It certainly feels light and chuckable compared to the Tiger and will be an absolute blast on gravel.
I didn't find any problem with throttle snatchiness - so either they've fixed it or its the way I ride or its no different to the Tiger.
For me the riding position is better than the Tiger which I find lacks a bit of legroom for me - but when you come to a stop you've got to remember its a full stretch to the ground!! I was very conscious of how tall it is riding through traffic - its great, with a very clear view of everything.
I would like to know how good or otherwise the headlight is for night riding.
The major negative was helmet buffeting - I've got an MRA screen on the Tiger which solved the same problem I had with it when I first got it, so an alternative screen or preferably the adjustable outer bit from the MRA screen should solve that.
I think I need to ride the GS 800 as well - lack of a dealership down here is a big factor so it would really need to grab me to go that way I think, but its also quite a bit cheaper..............
So no decision to buy it today - the head has got to have a chance to rule over the heart but ....... when riding is one of your passions then why not get something that is somewhere near the ultimate for the sort of riding you like to do?? I turn 50 next year so I am thinking I should go for it and enjoy something like this while the body is still able to handle it.
Anyone interested in a bloody good Tiger????

[timg]

I turn 50 next year Me too - party your place or mine? Both :jerry: Ya know ya really want a Katie M, just buy her :)

[Ruralman]

Me too - party your place or mine? Both :jerry: Ya know ya really want a Katie M, just buy her :)

There will certainly be a party - we have some plans hatching with a spot in mind that will be enjoyed by all two wheeled attendees...........

Just one other thing about the KTM - I didn't find the front brake anywhere near as good as the Tiger's. Do they improve as they wear in?

[ducatijim]

I would expect that KTM must have attended to the throttle issue(?) by now....its moaned about all over the world!
Helmet buffeting is an issue for sure - I have both std and touring screens and both are quite bad.....there are plenty of opinions on just where to cut them to fix this....as many opinions as there are riders!
Which ever decision you make, I am sure you will get tremendous pleasure from your new bike, and either of the 'Germanic' trailies will put a good smile on ya dial! Oh, and 50 is not wot its cracked up to be.......enjoy the last of your 40s while they last!!

[Crisis management]

Just one other thing about the KTM - I didn't find the front brake anywhere near as good as the Tiger's. Do they improve as they wear in?

Turn the ABS off, that hardens the feel up a bit but remember you have a skinny 21' front rather than the fatter 19'' that the tiger has, I find the 990 front brake needs treating with respect as it's very easy to lock up. You might find similar issues with the handling, on a series of tight corners the 990 needs to be flicked very positively from one side to the other, it's not as fast at changing direction as a sports bike!

[Oscar]

Turn the ABS off, that hardens the feel up a bit but remember you have a skinny 21' front rather than the fatter 19'' that the tiger has, I find the 990 front brake needs treating with respect as it's very easy to lock up. You might find similar issues with the handling, on a series of tight corners the 990 needs to be flicked very positively from one side to the other, it's not as fast at changing direction as a sports bike!

+1
For a bike that does serious on/off-road work, front brake performance is always going to be a bit problematic. You don't want sports bike type ferociousness on gravel or clay.

[Woodman]

But do they ride with an analog throttle or digital thereby bypassing the problems and showering them with roost?

I know WoodMan rides his KLR using the throttle as a switch.

38 hp versus 100odd hp, is a slightly different switch.

[warewolf]

You might find similar issues with the handling, on a series of tight corners the 990 needs to be flicked very positively from one side to the other, it's not as fast at changing direction as a sports bike!The 950-derived twin disc set up on my 640 is braking overkill and seriously impairs the bike's 'flickability'. The disc itself weighs 1.5kg and the calliper + brake hose is around 500g. Removing that 1.5kg gyroscope has dramatically improved things. I used to notice how slow the bike dropped in to cornersm, could feel how much it resisted changing direction. Not anymore! :Punk: Probably not an option on the ABS 990.

[Padmei]

Don't know much about throttle snatch & brakes & stuff but that bike looks pretty bloody cool:Punk:

[Ruralman]

Turn the ABS off, that hardens the feel up a bit but remember you have a skinny 21' front rather than the fatter 19'' that the tiger has, I find the 990 front brake needs treating with respect as it's very easy to lock up. You might find similar issues with the handling, on a series of tight corners the 990 needs to be flicked very positively from one side to the other, it's not as fast at changing direction as a sports bike!

Firstly the 990 Adventure R does not have abs - I guess they decided that for the purpose this bike was designed for ABS can be more of a negative than a positive.

I did try out the brakes in a trial panic stop when I was riding solo and it didn't lock up or feel like it would. I was very conscious that it took quite a bit more lever squeeze than the Tiger to get hard braking, but as others have pointed out that is not a bad thing on loose or muddy surfaces

As for the flickability - its bloody tall and does take some input to tip from side to side but not as much as the Tiger. With the new tyres and greasy road I wasn't interested in leaning it over too much so really putting it to the test in the twisties will just have to wait.

[Ruralman]

I would expect that KTM must have attended to the throttle issue(?) by now....its moaned about all over the world!
Helmet buffeting is an issue for sure - I have both std and touring screens and both are quite bad.....there are plenty of opinions on just where to cut them to fix this....as many opinions as there are riders!
Which ever decision you make, I am sure you will get tremendous pleasure from your new bike, and either of the 'Germanic' trailies will put a good smile on ya dial! Oh, and 50 is not wot its cracked up to be.......enjoy the last of your 40s while they last!!

I haven't looked yet at where, but if we could get hold of the hinges that move the outer screen on my MRA screen (I'll go out to the garage and get some photos rather than trying to describe it) then it would solve all our problems, no matter what bike you ride.
You can adjust the height and angle and the space between the two screens allows some air between to reduce the vacuum behind the screen which creates some of the turbulence effect.
If we could source the hinges then we could get a bit of plastic moulded to fit any screen to attach to it.

[oldrider]

I turn 50 next year so I am thinking I should go for it and enjoy something like this while the body is still able to handle it.
Anyone interested in a bloody good Tiger????

Bloody good Tigers are the "only" kind of Tigers that Triumph make!

Just been up to ChCh for my Tigers 24,000mile/40,000km check.

Sweet as, I turn 70 in five months time, it'll still do me for a while yet! :ride: (A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do) :shit:

[Crisis management]

Firstly the 990 Adventure R does not have abs -

I did try out the brakes in a trial panic stop when I was riding solo and it didn't lock up or feel like it would.

Oops, must pay more attention to detail.....

With ABS off I can lock the front with 2 fingers (admittedly with a bit of effort) and that was with either the Scorpion I had on or the TKC I have on, maybe the brakes need to bed in a bit. The rear however, I need to stomp on to get a lock out of.

Update, having taken the 990 for a thrash this afternoon...3 fingers is better for getting all the braking you want and it does feel a big soft for the first third of the travel then nicely solid.

[Ruralman]

Further to sorting out turbulence off bike screens

I see from this website that you can just buy the outer screen and the mounts. Looking through the list (although I'd have to check the KTM screen with a tape measure to be sure that the 22cm wide setup would fit on it) it looks like the VTA4 model would fit.

http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/2710/339/

The one I got for the Tiger was a whole replacement screen with the outer airfoil etc - looks like maybe I could have just bought the outer bit for it too and saved a few $'s . Beware that the prices are in $US.

[marks]

Oh, and 50 is not wot its cracked up to be.......enjoy the last of your 40s while they last!!

50 is everything its cracked up to be
I'm having more fun now than I've ever had in my life :eek:

[ducatijim]

50 is everything its cracked up to be
I'm having more fun now than I've ever had in my life :eek:

Wow...wot a 'life' that must have been Mark!!!:doh:

[marks]

Wow...wot a 'life' that must have been Mark!!!:doh:

all work and no play sure as hell makes Jack a sad knackered boy

I'm doing my best to make up for it now :yes:

[warewolf]

I'm doing my best to make up for it now :yes:Love your work! :clap:

[helenoftroy]

50 is everything its cracked up to be
I'm having more fun now than I've ever had in my life :eek:

Ditto!!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[Ruralman]

Ditto!!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

well I can't quite say double ditto 'cos I ain't quite there yet - but your sentiments match my expectations:laugh::2thumbsup:yeah:

[ducatijim]

well I can't quite say double ditto 'cos I ain't quite there yet - but your sentiments match my expectations:laugh::2thumbsup:yeah:

Onyas, but I just bet you can't match my, self appointed label>>>>>>>>>>

Semi-retired, professional adventurer!!!

( you lot 'so' can't tell when a tongue is firmly in a cheek{ and NOT the wobbly, follow along kind thank you} can you???!!!!):yes:

[Dazza]

There will certainly be a party - we have some plans hatching with a spot in mind that will be enjoyed by all two wheeled attendees...........

Just one other thing about the KTM - I didn't find the front brake anywhere near as good as the Tiger's. Do they improve as they wear in?
Just do it, you know you need to :woohoo:

[Ruralman]

Just do it, you know you need to :woohoo:

While I'm not exactly following your advice --- things are moving.
Called in today to see what they would offer for the Tiger. They had sold the 990R !!! (and can't get in another one till next year!!)
As it happened the 990R was still there and sitting beside an 07 990 Adventure with 16500km on it - so we started talking and I ended up taking it for a ride.

I don't quite know how to sum this up - but I actually liked it more than the new R.
I found it more easily flicked around - not being as tall must help with this.
It was great on the recently gravelled and graded little windy backroad that I tried it out on too - a huge jump ahead from the Tiger.
Anyway we're negotiating - a bit complicated because the bike was being sold on behalf

[Dazza]

While I'm not exactly following your advice --- things are moving.
Called in today to see what they would offer for the Tiger. They had sold the 990R !!! (and can't get in another one till next year!!)
As it happened the 990R was still there and sitting beside an 07 990 Adventure with 16500km on it - so we started talking and I ended up taking it for a ride.

I don't quite know how to sum this up - but I actually liked it more than the new R.
I found it more easily flicked around - not being as tall must help with this.
It was great on the recently gravelled and graded little windy backroad that I tried it out on too - a huge jump ahead from the Tiger.
Anyway we're negotiating - a bit complicated because the bike was being sold on behalfGood luck on what you decide :niceone:

[newbould]

It's true, you can't have long legs "and" good looks, so I will just have to be happy with my short ones! :cool:

and of course my lowered Tiger. :blip: :ride:

So how did the Tiger lowering go - by how much? Any idea of the new seat height? I have serious short leg issues (5 ft 2 in) so would need a step ladder for a standard Tiger. Considering a wee strom as first big bike but if the tiger can be dropped enough .................:done:

[advrider]

Purchased my 950 Adventure in April 2006. It's now done 40k and never missed a beat. I have done all the servicing myself including doing the valve shims at 30k. This is not a difficult bike to work on, once you remove the body work it is easy to get at things and is very well designed and built to be worked on without any sophisticated tools. Oil and filter done every 7.5k, air clearner filter easily cleaned, plugs replaced when the valves done at 30k. The full workshop manual can be downloaded free from the net which details every procedure required to service the bike.

Mods done are one down on the front sprocket and two up on the rear (standard gearing is way to high), a set of Neptunes (had to get rid of the catalytic converters, they run far to hot) and removed the EPS which cuts the power in low gears.

These are brilliant machines, best bike I ever owned. Mine has done everything - 4 brass monkey trips, lots of back roads, gravel tracks, farm tracks and has even been fitted with full knobblies for a big trail ride.


Buy one, you will not be sorry.

[Padmei]

Ok saw the tiger - which looks beautiful:love: on trademe but has there been an update on you rpurchase? did I miss something?

Edit: just looked closely at pics. Jeez mate you could have cleaned it at least:2guns:

[Ruralman]

Ok saw the tiger - which looks beautiful:love: on trademe but has there been an update on you rpurchase? did I miss something?

Edit: just looked closely at pics. Jeez mate you could have cleaned it at least:2guns:

Ohhh - busted!!!
Yes I listed the Tiger today
I signed up for the second hand 990 on Friday and will pick it up mid week sometime after they put new tyres and battery (their cost) and scott oiler (my cost) on it. Hope to transfer across the top box mount but we'll see.
At the end of the day, while being sorely tempted by a new one, I just could not justify the extra cost compared to one with only 16,000km on it.

[oldrider]

Ohhh - busted!!!
Yes I listed the Tiger today
I signed up for the second hand 990 on Friday and will pick it up mid week sometime after they put new tyres and battery (their cost) and scott oiler (my cost) on it. Hope to transfer across the top box mount but we'll see.
At the end of the day, while being sorely tempted by a new one, I just could not justify the extra cost compared to one with only 16,000km on it.

It's a long road to finding the perfect bike son, as they say in the "Speights" adds! :shit:

One BMWGS coming up! (eventually) :shifty:

Right country, wrong factory, (this time) getting closer! :soon: :ride:

[warewolf]

Umm, what other factory in Austria is there? :confused:

Or have you forgotten who won dubya-dubya-two?

:laugh:

[oldrider]

Umm, what other factory in Austria is there? :confused:

Or have you forgotten who won dubya-dubya-two?

:laugh:

Never let detail get in the way of a chance to have a little dig at Ruralman! :shifty:

[Ruralman]

It's a long road to finding the perfect bike son, as they say in the "Speights" adds! :shit:

One BMWGS coming up! (eventually) :shifty:



Perfect bike - found - for now!!!! - well I mean things change don't they, I could get to 60 and have a mid life crisis !!! - and buy a Harley or something suitable for ??????

And theres those 3 bloody letters again - I'm beginning to think, John, that you are about to come out of the closet and onto one of these Bavarian beasts. Is it the appeal of that rock hard shaft underneath ????:Punk::shit:

I will bring the new beast up for a winter ride complete with a bottle of warming red !!!

[AussieRik]

Yoy will enjoy the 990 - great bike
My mate Mal and I are planning a trip to NZ and to do lots of adventure riding and fishing.
Not sure whether to come before or after Christmas?? - when is best
Would like to do many of the Sth Island remote spots and hope to join up with many of you guys and get lots of local info as we go
Cheers
Rik and Mal

[Ruralman]

Yoy will enjoy the 990 - great bike
My mate Mal and I are planning a trip to NZ and to do lots of adventure riding and fishing.
Not sure whether to come before or after Christmas?? - when is best
Would like to do many of the Sth Island remote spots and hope to join up with many of you guys and get lots of local info as we go
Cheers
Rik and Mal

Thanks for that endorsement - I suppose from someone with both a 990 and a GSA1200 under their name that is good news, but, why both?

To answer your question re timing for coming over - a highlight of any Sth Island backcountry riding is a trip through Molesworth and the Rainbow Station and as discussed in another thread these don't open now until Dec 28th and you would probably want to complete this route before the end of March. So if you design your trip so you can be in the top of the Sth Island in that period its prob best.
Theres a couple of routes down here in Otago - the Dunstan Trail and the Nevis which are both best ridden in summer. Especially true of the Nevis which has 26 river crossings but these hardly get your feet wet in summer whereas in winter and early spring the rivers are much higher and the approaches and departures from the fords get scoured out and can be quite challenging with a fully loaded adventure bike
Look forward to catching up if it works out that way.

[Waihou Thumper]

Why two adventure bikes?
Guess it maybe like my situation...or stinking rich Aussie....:clap:
I bought one and then the other came up so had to go through with the sale too...:first: Stuffed up there...

Know which one I would rather have, that's for sure.....AND the clue is, it isn't orange anywhere..:rolleyes: (been there, done that)

Any bites on your Trumpy Then?

[Padmei]

Know which one I would rather have, that's for sure.....AND the clue is, it isn't orange anywhere..:rolleyes: (been there, done that)...

You mean you'd like the BMW?

[Waihou Thumper]

You mean you'd like the BMW?

Between the 990A and the BMW, possibly, yes...especially if it is the Adventure BMW 1200

[Padmei]

Fk the 1200A are monsters. I saw one in the flesh the other week & very impressive. Mrs Padmei couldn't believe Charlie & Ewan rode bikes that big around the world (Telly takes 10 kilos off bikes size:msn-wink:)

I would love to take one around NZ but would be very careful where I took it.

[Woodman]

Fk the 1200A are monsters. I saw one in the flesh the other week & very impressive. Mrs Padmei couldn't believe Charlie & Ewan rode bikes that big around the world (Telly takes 10 kilos off bikes size:msn-wink:)

I would love to take one around NZ but would be very careful where I took it.

You think Gonzo is hard to lift/ push up hills. Really would have to keep away from the gnarlier side of adventuring unless you were built like a brick shit house and can bench 150.

[Eddieb]

The 1200 is about 50kg lighter than the 1150's Ewan & Charlie rode and is probably lighter than my PD is. The standard 1200 weighs the same as the 990 Adventure now.

[Oscar]

The 1200 is about 50kg lighter than the 1150's Ewan & Charlie rode and is probably lighter than my PD is. The standard 1200 weighs the same as the 990 Adventure now.

Bikez.com lists their respective dry weights as 223.9k and 209.00k.
This gives a power to weight ration of 0.4484 HP/kg & 0.5004 HP/kg.

[Eddieb]

OK, I was looking elsewhere.

http://www.r1200gs.info/misc/specs/ lists the BMW at 199 dry, 225 kerb weight.

and

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/ktm/ktm_990_adventure%2006.htm shows the KTM at the same dry weight.

[hospitalfood]

have not rode a KTM but was very impressed with a test ride on the 1200 GS.
not great for the tight steep stuff all day long but a my pick for round the world.

[ducatijim]

This gives a power to weight ration of 0.4484 HP/kg & 0.5004 HP/kg.

And this makes what kinda differance?

[Oscar]

And this makes what kinda differance?

Lighter and more powerful?
All the difference in the world.

I've ridden them both.
One feels like a dirt bike for the road, the other feels like a road bike modified for gravel/dirt roads.

[ducatijim]

Lighter and more powerful?
All the difference in the world.

I've ridden them both.
One feels like a dirt bike for the road, the other feels like a road bike modified for gravel/dirt roads.

Arh-huh......:clap:

[warewolf]

Bikez.com lists


OK, I was looking elsewhere.Gotta watch most of those interweb bike spec sites. Most are full of crap data. Specifically, KTM usually quotes half-wet weights (all fluids plus 1L fuel) and these end up listed as dry weights, as that's what most japs use. Net result (ha ha) is the KTMs appear heavier than they are, and most KTM-haters love to quote those erroneous weights. BMW use a mix of dry and wet; you never know which one those sites'll pick as the dry weight.

Is the R12 really 50kg lighter? I thought one jerry can (20-25kg) was the design target?

[Eddieb]

I figure as close as we are going to get is what the manufacturers list.

KTM.com lists the 990 Adv as 78kw and Weight (dry) approx 209kg

http://www.ktm.com/990-Adventure.36.0.html?&detailview=2&cHash=da62385a81

bmw-motorad.com lists the 1200 as 77kw and Dry weight 203kg.

http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/bikes/endurobikes/r1200gs/r1200gs_main.html

At the bottom of the BMW page is a footnote to indicate the weight is without fluids as per DIN standard, whatever that is. apart from the statement that it is dry weight I couldn't find any indication on the KTM site that their measurement system was the same or different, however thier model comparison tool showed that weight as the dry weight, and had any row of data for Weight (no fuel) which was blank.

[marks]

those are frightening weights

I struggle to pick up my 175kg KLR
I don't think I could lift a 200+kg bike without rupturing something

[Eddieb]

those are frightening weights

I struggle to pick up my 175kg KLR
I don't think I could lift a 200+kg bike without rupturing something

The cylinders of the GS make it easy The seat is knee height before you are actually lifting any weight so you are halfway there already and past the worst bit.

I couldn't lift Joe's DR when I dropped it on Big River, yet I can pick the PD up relatively easily and thats probably 40-50kg heavier.

[Woodman]

those are frightening weights

I struggle to pick up my 175kg KLR
I don't think I could lift a 200+kg bike without rupturing something

An impressive power to weight ratio doesn't really make the bike feel lighter when you are picking them up.

Whats 100hp like on gravel? does it make for a lot of wheelspin and no forward momentum? or is it just cool?

[dmc]

Whats 100hp like on gravel? does it make for a lot of wheelspin and no forward momentum? or is it just cool?

A 100hp makes for lots of wheel spin on shingle with lots of forward momentum. :niceone:

[warewolf]

I figure as close as we are going to get is what the manufacturers list.Usually a good source these days, particularly for Euros.


apart from the statement that it is dry weight I couldn't find any indication on the KTM site that their measurement system was the same or different, however thier model comparison tool showed that weight as the dry weight, and had any row of data for Weight (no fuel) which was blank.Strangely the 990 Adventures actually list a dry weight; all the others say "weight (no fuel)" which is defined many places elsewhere as half wet. According to an industry source (citing KTM) it includes 1L fuel so the bike can start and run at that weight. I've asked for and tried to find independent corroboration of that latter point, but no result so far. For 737g I'm not too fussed about it.

If you compare any other models, "weight (no fuel)" is there and the "dry weight" row is blank. "Dry weight" only shows up for the two bikes on the site that have that data... the two 990 Adventures.

[Eddieb]

Which happened to be the only 2 I selected for comparison. That'd explain why I never saw otherwise.

BMW often offer a simliar measurement which they refer to a Kerb weight, but I think that is fully fuelled.

I actually like the oils and 1 litre of fuel measurement, it would give a more real world comparison between models.

[warewolf]

Whats 100hp like on gravel? does it make for a lot of wheelspin and no forward momentum? or is it just cool?It's cool! And also makes for a better road bike.


A 100hp makes for lots of wheel spin on shingle with <del>lots of</del> forward momentum. :niceone:Fixed! My 640 can get more drive at sub-triple-digit speeds. hp/kg ~= 0.36.

[warewolf]

BMW often offer a simliar measurement which they refer to a Kerb weight, but I think that is fully fuelled.

I actually like the oils and 1 litre of fuel measurement, it would give a more real world comparison between models.Kerb weight = wet weight = fully fuelled.

Yes the KTM method has some merit. Fully-fuelled is not really a useful comparison, particularly in our arena where we want bikes with big tanks. They get penalised on the spec sheet for that. To me, fuel is a variable like luggage: how much I carry depends on the trip.

Although things get murkier when you start to factor in fuel consumption and range. The F650 with 17.3L tank and miserly fuel consumption is a winner on that front; less fuel weight to carry for the same range, and lower running cost.

[That looks like fun]

Turn the handlebars to full lock so that the front wheel points uphill.
Go to the side of the bike with the end of the handlebar nearest the ground.
Position yourself:
facing the bike
so the end of the handlebar is:
central between your feet
just in front of your feet
feet shoulder width apart
Grab the end of the handlebar nearest to the ground with BOTH hands. (So it feels that you are going to pull the handlebar into your crotch).
Prepare yourself for lifting by bending your knees and keeping your back straight.
Depending on the position of the handlebars and the layout of the ground, you may need to go into a full squat.
Lift by straightening your legs WITHOUT BENDING YOUR BACK.
Stop lifting just before the bike becomes vertical (to stop it going over on the other side!).
After completing this manouvere seek urgent medical assistance as your fufu valve will be hanging out :msn-wink:

[Waihou Thumper]

Remember, this bike weighs in at nearly 200Kg and they are throwing it around like a 125cc...:niceone:

The HP2 is a beast allright and whatever you have, if the bloke on top is good then it doesn't matter...

I would like to see the 990 Adventure do this, might get some of the way up there....
The 1200GSA would be struggling too, but the point is I guess, weight, Horsepower and talent ALL make for a exciting ride!!!

K6wkjOo90Kg

[warewolf]

Call mummy on cell phone.
Wait for tow truck.
Watch towie attach cable to bike, then drag bike on side up on to tilt-deck.
Go home for a quiet Pimms before calling your accountant.

:Pokey:

:bleh:

[Waihou Thumper]

Call mummy on cell phone.
Wait for tow truck.
Watch towie attach cable to bike, then drag bike on side up on to tilt-deck.
Go home for a quiet Pimms before calling your accountant.

:Pokey:

:bleh:

:clap:From the Orange camp.....
Mind you, picking up my beast and even yours when your a big poked makes it a trying event right?

[warewolf]

:clap:From the Orange camp.....Well if you can't take the piss out of your mates, who can you?


Mind you, picking up my beast and even yours when your a big poked makes it a trying event right?Mine is right on the limit of what I can handle. Dunno if I could pick up a KLR unassisted in rough terrain.

[cooneyr]

You lot need to eat some spinich. I've drop the XTZ with 30l of fuel and about 10kg of luggage, say 240kg, and can pick it up without too much trouble. No sticky out cylinders to help either. Hardest thing is finding something to lift with when you are in a hurry cause you dont want the other people in the car park to realise you are such a plonker - doh :D

Cheers R

[marks]

You lot need to eat some spinich.

Cheers R

I'm not a big strong southern boy and I didn't spend my early days "chasing sheep and jumping boarder dykes"*


my (in)ability to pick up the klr is the biggest factor when considering whether to have a go at something knarly. A lighter bike like a DR makes sense then - but at the end of a long day even picking up 110kg trail bike becomes a struggle for us ol' fella's




*I preferred straight girls who didn't need shearing

[Oscar]

Turn the handlebars to full lock so that the front wheel points uphill.
Go to the side of the bike with the end of the handlebar nearest the ground.
Position yourself:
facing the bike
so the end of the handlebar is:
central between your feet
just in front of your feet
feet shoulder width apart
Grab the end of the handlebar nearest to the ground with BOTH hands. (So it feels that you are going to pull the handlebar into your crotch).
Prepare yourself for lifting by bending your knees and keeping your back straight.
Depending on the position of the handlebars and the layout of the ground, you may need to go into a full squat.
Lift by straightening your legs WITHOUT BENDING YOUR BACK.
Stop lifting just before the bike becomes vertical (to stop it going over on the other side!).
After completing this manouvere seek urgent medical assistance as your fufu valve will be hanging out :msn-wink:

I dropped my 950adv in a ditch (I was trying to jump it at the time) and it ended up with the handlebars a foot lower than the wheels. I managed to pick it up with that method, but I think I blew several seals and a coupla gaskets...

[warewolf]

You lot need to eat some spinich. I've drop the XTZ with 30l of fuel and about 10kg of luggage, say 240kg,Or more meat pies and beer. You to the 240kg Super Ten is a better ratio than me to the fully fuelled 640A.

[Eddieb]

You lot need to eat some spinich. I've drop the XTZ with 30l of fuel and about 10kg of luggage, say 240kg, and can pick it up without too much trouble. No sticky out cylinders to help either. Hardest thing is finding something to lift with when you are in a hurry cause you dont want the other people in the car park to realise you are such a plonker - doh :D

Cheers R


Yeah but thats due to the 'Oh shit don't want to look an idiot' endorphin kick. If you'd waited a few minutes and calmed down it might have been a different story.

[Underground]

I've slipped a piece of pushbike tube onto my throttle grip and can stretch it over the brake lever to lock the front wheel . stops it from running away on me while picking it up on a slope ,also good to stop it moving around on the ferry

[cooneyr]

Or more meat pies and beer. You to the 240kg Super Ten is a better ratio than me to the fully fuelled 640A.

From guessing your weight I thing you migth be about right. So I guess this means I sould be riding the 950AS about the same as you ride a rally version of a 530EXC - dont think that is gonna happen!!


Yeah but thats due to the 'Oh shit don't want to look an idiot' endorphin kick. If you'd waited a few minutes and calmed down it might have been a different story.

Mmmmm endorphins. Had a few of those in my time, adrenalin as well. Pitty they are so hard to get ya hands on - having the crash or similar.

Cheers R

[warewolf]

So I guess this means I sould be riding the 950AS about the same as you ride a rally version of a 530EXC - dont think that is gonna happen!! My power vs the bike's weight is a significant consideration for me. I can ride a lighter bike harder for longer, with more precision, and can save far more "Oh! Shit!" moments when the bike's mass doesn't totally overwhelm little ol' me. I luv my 95kg 200EXC :drool:

[That looks like fun]

Went for a ride on the Whanga Rd one day, all by my lelf :shit: And of course fell off in the biggest deepest papa shithole on the Rd. No worries, I will just use the BMW lifting technigue (didnt pass spellink at scool) and be on my way :no: Got her upright no worries, but sadly the climb out of the mud was to much for a bimmer and one pusher of said bimmer to manage. (insert swear word here) Only plan seemed to turn it around, easier said than done. Ended up putting her back on her side and dragging it around in the mud, then standing it back up again. Due to leaky skin (they tell me its called sweating) and having used a lot of energy (as you do when your turning around a bimmer in a shithole) I employed the old back up to the seat, grasp firmly, drive up with the legs, then walk backwards system to get her vertical. About halfway through the lift a thought entered my head about the same time as I felt unable to get her upright "if you put her down and have a rest, boy you is stuffed, get her up this time or start walking back to the tunnel because thats where you will be sleeping tonight ". Inspired by that thought She rose majestically (yeah right) from the mud and was ridden home (at which point some woman claiming to be a loving wife complained bitterly about some stupid bastard she was married to)
So with all this fufuu valve and meat pie blowing bike lifting stuff, why would some old bugger who has very little trail bike experience ride an 1100 hundy GS through something like, oh lets say the 42nd. logic? sanity? too much money? Na lack of all the above. I ride it because I like it :wari: I am limited by the bikes off road abilities as much as it is limited by mine. Would I be better on a yellow or orange or green beast, I think not. Is it the ultimate bike? nahhh. Do I hug it when I get home from a ride (even after picking it up five times on that ride :bye:) You betcha :love: :done:

[marks]

Went for a ride on the Whanga Rd one day, all by my lelf :shit: And of course fell off in the biggest deepest papa shithole on the Rd. No worries, I will just use the BMW lifting technigue (didnt pass spellink at scool) and be on my way :no: Got her upright no worries, but sadly the climb out of the mud was to much for a bimmer and one pusher of said bimmer to manage. (insert swear word here) Only plan seemed to turn it around, easier said than done. Ended up putting her back on her side and dragging it around in the mud, then standing it back up again. Due to leaky skin (they tell me its called sweating) and having used a lot of energy (as you do when your turning around a bimmer in a shithole) I employed the old back up to the seat, grasp firmly, drive up with the legs, then walk backwards system to get her vertical. About halfway through the lift a thought entered my head about the same time as I felt unable to get her upright "if you put her down and have a rest, boy you is stuffed, get her up this time or start walking back to the tunnel because thats where you will be sleeping tonight ". Inspired by that thought She rose majestically (yeah right) from the mud and was ridden home (at which point some woman claiming to be a loving wife complained bitterly about some stupid bastard she was married to)
So with all this fufuu valve and meat pie blowing bike lifting stuff, why would some old bugger who has very little trail bike experience ride an 1100 hundy GS through something like, oh lets say the 42nd. logic? sanity? too much money? Na lack of all the above. I ride it because I like it :wari: I am limited by the bikes off road abilities as much as it is limited by mine. Would I be better on a yellow or orange or green beast, I think not. Is it the ultimate bike? nahhh. Do I hug it when I get home from a ride (even after picking it up five times on that ride :bye:) You betcha :love: :done:

That is an awesome track - I've had a mirror buried in the mud there - I'd still be there if I hadn't had company

I'm disappointed that there are no photos.....

glad you got back in one piece

[Eddieb]

That is an awesome track - I've had a mirror buried in the mud there - I'd still be there if I hadn't had company

I'm disappointed that there are no photos.....

glad you got back in one piece

+1000 on that road.

I'd still be there too if it wasn't for Joe. There's not many people that will push a fat heavy BMW out of a huge hole laughing crazily while being totally roosted from head to foot.

[Woodman]

Have had no issues picking up the KLR. Lifting it out of huge seat height ruts is another story.

What is an ideal bike weight to rider weight ratio? (bw:rw) if there is such a thing.
Possibly slightly off topic.

[That looks like fun]

Rider to bike weight ratio is far less important (in my humble opnion) than the riders power to brain ratio :done:

[Woodman]

Rider to bike weight ratio is far less important (in my humble opnion) than the riders power to brain ratio :done:

I ride a klr so i hope my brain to power ratio is high.

[That looks like fun]

My bike has lots of power, but Im not scared :Punk: Im special, I know that cause me Mum told me :wari:

[AussieRik]

Thanks for that endorsement - I suppose from someone with both a 990 and a GSA1200 under their name that is good news, but, why both?

To answer your question re timing for coming over - a highlight of any Sth Island backcountry riding is a trip through Molesworth and the Rainbow Station and as discussed in another thread these don't open now until Dec 28th and you would probably want to complete this route before the end of March. So if you design your trip so you can be in the top of the Sth Island in that period its prob best.
Theres a couple of routes down here in Otago - the Dunstan Trail and the Nevis which are both best ridden in summer. Especially true of the Nevis which has 26 river crossings but these hardly get your feet wet in summer whereas in winter and early spring the rivers are much higher and the approaches and departures from the fords get scoured out and can be quite challenging with a fully loaded adventure bike
Look forward to catching up if it works out that way.

Thanks for that - and for the record I don't own both those bikes. I've got the 990 and my mate Mal has the GSA which some of us rather unaffectionately refer to as "the whale". They are very capable (but not as much so as the 990 on the really rough stuff) and you seem to feel somewhat isolated from the terrain riding the thing - theres just so much bike in the way of everything!!
Both great bikes - but each to his own

[Ruralman]

You could use the NZ motorcycle ATlas

http://www.hemamaps.com/default.asp?p=68&ParentId=26&ProductTypeId=28

Get one of these and it will show you all the best roads for bikes

[AussieRik]

That book looks ideal - we'll get one of those.

Now just got to convince the wife that a wee sojourn to NZ in early 2010 would be a great idea - but no dear "I wasn't planning on taking you"..... Maybe theres a nice warm spot we can park our other halves while we do some riding. Its not as much fun blasting up backroads with a pillion

[marks]

+1000 on that road.

its almost on the way back from the mmmm :yes:

[Eddieb]

its almost on the way back from the mmmm :yes:

Which I'm not going on.

[Ruralman]

That book looks ideal - we'll get one of those.

Now just got to convince the wife that a wee sojourn to NZ in early 2010 would be a great idea - but no dear "I wasn't planning on taking you"..... Maybe theres a nice warm spot we can park our other halves while we do some riding. Its not as much fun blasting up backroads with a pillion

You should leave them at the Mapua Camping ground near Nelson :shifty:
They should feel right at home there and have a really good tan by the time you get back:innocent:
The Nelson area probably has the nicest climate in NZ and the highest sunshine hours plus plenty for them to do if they get bored at the motor camp

[AussieRik]

You should leave them at the Mapua Camping ground near Nelson :shifty:
They should feel right at home there and have a really good tan by the time you get back:innocent:
The Nelson area probably has the nicest climate in NZ and the highest sunshine hours plus plenty for them to do if they get bored at the motor camp

Why do I get the feeling that this is a bit of a set up ?????

[Eddieb]

Hmm, an all over tan.

He's right about the sunshine.

[oldrider]

That book looks ideal - we'll get one of those.

Now just got to convince the wife that a wee sojourn to NZ in early 2010 would be a great idea - but no dear "I wasn't planning on taking you"..... Maybe theres a nice warm spot we can park our other halves while we do some riding. Its not as much fun blasting up backroads with a pillion

Why not, I take mine and shes no spring chicken! :shifty: Then again we don't blast too much these days I spose! :mellow: Nanas. :o

[AussieRik]

Hmm, an all over tan.

He's right about the sunshine.

HMMmmm - OK I think I get the picture - now that WOULD be a site to behold. I would say more but there is a chance that lovely wonderful women I am married to might just take a peek in here!! Mal's a widow so he can get off his arse and sign up and say whatever he wants!!!

I've had a couple of PM's from guys here - sorry the site won't let me reply as I haven't qualified yet or something.
Anyway if you send me an email rather than PM then I will be able to reply. Hey Ruralman could you send one as theres something I want to ask you
Cheers
Rik

[marks]

Which I'm not going on.

you are an ongoing disappointment to me

[Eddieb]

you are an ongoing disappointment to me

There's a vague chance that may change but I'm not holding my breath. Work keeps getting in the way. Something I'm working on at the moment.

[oldrider]

Something sinister was sheltering in my garage last night, something the colour of the setting sun! :sick:

It trembled and whimpered all night but the big blue Tiger comforted it and helped it to settle down and get some rest. :whistle:

Tigers are so self confident and mature, nothing phases them! :no:

Sorry: Pic of Ruralman's KTM 990 sitting in my garge with the Tiger, did not materialise! Dang it! :o

[Squiggles]

Maybe theres a nice warm spot we can park our other halves while we do some riding. Its not as much fun blasting up backroads with a pillion

Can she cook? :jerry:

[advrider]

I purchased my 950 adventure in April 2006. Currently it's done 38,000 and has never been to the bike shop, all servicing I have done myself. Oil changes done at the 7,500 km intervals as per the manual. Filters are easy to change. Valve shims done at 30,000, not difficult, the procedure is in the manual. I have ridden the 990 and it is not feel a lot different. I have replaced the cans with neptunes and have reduced the gearing by one on the front sprocket and two up on the rear. This is necessary as the standard gearing is way too high. Also disable the EPC system which gives much better throttle response in the low gears (and better wheelies). These are precision German engineered machines and should be good for 100,000km if properly maintained. One day it may get replaced with a 990 bu no reason to do it yet.

[Dazza]

I purchased my 950 adventure in April 2006. Currently it's done 38,000 and has never been to the bike shop, all servicing I have done myself. Oil changes done at the 7,500 km intervals as per the manual. Filters are easy to change. Valve shims done at 30,000, not difficult, the procedure is in the manual. I have ridden the 990 and it is not feel a lot different. I have replaced the cans with neptunes and have reduced the gearing by one on the front sprocket and two up on the rear. This is necessary as the standard gearing is way too high. Also disable the EPC system which gives much better throttle response in the low gears (and better wheelies). These are precision German engineered machines and should be good for 100,000km if properly maintained. One day it may get replaced with a 990 bu no reason to do it yet.Don't want to split hairs, but --- they're Austrian not German :innocent:My last Super Duke had done 50,000k's from new by me when I traded her & the new one now has 18000k's in less than 12mths.Not an Adventurer I know but hey they're made by the same people & everytime I venture out on her it's an Adventure :love:

[Oscar]

Don't want to split hairs, but --- they're Austrian not German :innocent:My last Super Duke had done 50,000k's from new by me when I traded her & the new one now has 18000k's in less than 12mths.Not an Adventurer I know but hey they're made by the same people & everytime I venture out on her it's an Adventure :love:

Ze Greater Reich will live again!!


Deutschland über alles!!!

[Dazza]

Ze Greater Reich will live again!!


Deutschland über alles!!! Very good :mellow: you ought to see my haircut & moustache (P/T)

[Waihou Thumper]

"I just had haulbikes.com ship my 625 SMC from CA to NH. It took 45 days. A bit long if you ask me.
I also bought an 05 950 Adventure with 1000 KM on it and full Givi luggage for 6750 USD. I found it on trademe in NZ. I am going to fly there and take a couple months off and ride the piss out of it. The bike was checked out by my friend that lives there. It happened to be for sale at the local dealer he buys from. It was as advertised and he took delivery of it for me, bought a cover for it and stored it in his nice dry garage"

Anyone know who this is then? Looks as though a fellow rider from USA has bought a Katoom here because it was cheap! :clap:

It was posted just three days ago, so it is recent...:cool:

[Eddieb]

"I just had haulbikes.com ship my 625 SMC from CA to NH. It took 45 days. A bit long if you ask me.
I also bought an 05 950 Adventure with 1000 KM on it and full Givi luggage for 6750 USD. I found it on trademe in NZ. I am going to fly there and take a couple months off and ride the piss out of it. The bike was checked out by my friend that lives there. It happened to be for sale at the local dealer he buys from. It was as advertised and he took delivery of it for me, bought a cover for it and stored it in his nice dry garage"

Anyone know who this is then? Looks as though a fellow rider from USA has bought a Katoom here because it was cheap! :clap:

It was posted just three days ago, so it is recent...:cool:

got a link to the thread?

[Waihou Thumper]

got a link to the thread?


http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=481839

Post number 21 Eddie...:clap:
AND I am still a Lurker....The pricks still have me banned. I have given up.

How was your ride today mate?

[Padmei]

Can you make up another identity for your email address? I know I can pretty easily (well ok, I can't remember how to but do have more than one).
That way you should be able to join by using your different email address.

If you haven't done anything really wrong there shouldn't be a prob.

[Waihou Thumper]

Can you make up another identity for your email address? I know I can pretty easily (well ok, I can't remember how to but do have more than one).
That way you should be able to join by using your different email address.

If you haven't done anything really wrong there shouldn't be a prob.


The guys were or are paranoid. No matter what I write to them it seems like I am from Nigeria or Russia with a nice worm to infect the site or similar...
I could join again I suppose but it notes my IP address, it is better if I lurk, it allows me...

[Padmei]

I've read about your probs with them but is your IP address the same as your identity? ie. blahblah@xtra vs blehbleh@xtra ?

[Waihou Thumper]

I could change to windowslive....instead of xtra...BUT, at the end of the day I can lurk happily. As DucatiJim said, I can do without them, just browse...Sad I know, but I am not going to sweat it...
I can still view happily..:clap:

[ducatijim]

I could change to windowslive....instead of xtra...BUT, at the end of the day I can lurk happily. As DucatiJim said, I can do without them, just browse...Sad I know, but I am not going to sweat it...
I can still view happily..:clap:

Yep, yep.....life does go on, nicely too, without them Mark.:clap:

Some of the little shitters that live in these places can really get yer goat......

[Waihou Thumper]

This Friday she arrives. He has traded the 950 Adventure in and is getting the new 990......
Apparently Aussie has asked for all the 2008 990's, there aren't enough to go around....KTM want them back...

He got a good trade price and will be one of the few riding around on a brand spanking Katoom...

More maintenance, more costs and just when his other one had finished warranty he flicked it off....:Oi:Anyone want a 950, low Kms, there will be one in the shop soon.....Very very tidy....

[buzzard]

Just had a 25,000km service on my '06 990. Triple X moto did a great job and the bike is running the very well. Thanks for the great servce gents.

[Ruralman]

Ive had the 990 for a month or so now - and I LOVE it. I would probably love it some more if I could sell the Tiger which is still parked beside it!!

The lingering question I have is - has anyone been able to hold one of these beasts back to something close to the legal speed limit for a WHOLE tankload of fuel to work out just how far they will go and what fuel they use at that sort of speed???? Because I Haven't!!

I find I can be really disciplined for a while but as soon as there's a bit of interesting road, a bit of traffic to pass.......etc etc the discipline seems to vaporize:devil2: I know when I travelled with a certain older gentleman who was keen to explore the limits that fuel consumption dropped into the 15's/km/litre and on my way home improved to the high 17's but I'm sure that something around 20km/litre is possible at around 110km/hr???

The bike is quite high geared and there's a bit more gear changing at 100-110 than the Tiger required - so maybe it isn't more economical at that speed?? Has anyone else managed to get 20km/litre?
What seems to be becoming quite obvious is that the rear tyre isn't going to have the longevity of any other bike I have had before:devil2: - but there seems to be a direct correlation between tyre wear and the smile factor:clap:

[oldrider]

Hey Brucie, you have got the perfect set-up really:

When you want economy, performance and reliability, ride the Tiger!

When economy, performance and reliability are not an issue, take the KTM! :niceone:

[Ruralman]

Hey Brucie, you have got the perfect set-up really:

When you want economy, performance and reliability, ride the Tiger!

When economy, performance and reliability are not an issue, take the KTM! :niceone:

:bleh::bleh:
I don't think the Tiger was markedly different in fuel usage when ridden like that - and of course it couldn't match the KTM when the KTM rider really started to use its performance anyway!!

[warewolf]

I once asked a chap what he felt was the main difference between the Tiger 955i and the 990 Adventure. Answer: "wheelies from 100km/h... get the KTM!" (That was Paul, for you Nelsonians' familiar with his antics, and rest assured 4skins your bike was properly "run in" :lol:)

:spanking:

[Gremlin]

Supermoto is pretty similar so I will pitch in...

Nope, I have never ever got 20km/L. Normally around 15 ish, but drops to 13 alarmingly fast.

If your gearing is the same as mine, yeup, I can't do 110 in 6th, has to be 5th. Only really happy in 6th at 130kph. I'll drop a tooth on the front when the sprockets have to be replaced.

Yes, I can hold my bike at 110 ish (with a small fluctuation) for long periods of time... just imagine a cop around every corner :bleh:

[cooneyr]

I've already dropped to a 16 tooth front (from the 17) but am still on the 41 rear. When I replace the chain and spockets next I'll be doing 16/45 i.e. crazy wheelie machine = me scare sh1tless (not really my scene). This is so I can use 6th at 100ish and will have great low speed gearing. At the moment I have to be 110+ to use 6th comfortably (16/41). Original gearing would be great in Europe on the 130kph motorways.

Restraint with the right wrist is something I'm having to learn as well. Way too much fun to crank it open! 100kph comes up super fast compared to the DR650 LOL.

I rode mine back from NN when I first got it. Lotsa ice and crap on the roads (was couple of months ago) so I had to take it pretty easy. Managed to get 300km till the fuel light came on but I'm not entirely sure how much juice that is (950 has the fuel pump outside the tank i.e. more capacity). I did fill up in Much which is about 150kms and I think I put in 10l i.e. 15 km/l. Doubt it will get much better than that unless I start playing with jetting.

Cheers R

[oldrider]

:bleh::bleh:
I don't think the Tiger was markedly different in fuel usage when ridden like that - and of course it couldn't match the KTM when the KTM rider really started to use its performance anyway!!

I looked up the specs for your bike!

If we both left here and rode to Christchurch, I would get there easily and you would have to fuel up at Ashburton! :whistle:

Tortoise and the hare situation,

You could rush ahead on your (marginally) faster more powerful bike and keep stopping for fuel and tyres!

While I trundle smoothly and economically on to our destination, yep, that could work for us! :yes:

[The Duck 01]

:bleh::bleh:
I don't think the Tiger was markedly different in fuel usage when ridden like that - and of course it couldn't match the KTM when the KTM rider really started to use its performance anyway!!

Originally Posted by oldrider
Hey Brucie, you have got the perfect set-up really:

When you want economy, performance and reliability, ride the Tiger!

When economy, performance and reliability are not an issue, take the KTM!

That certain oldrider is knows how to ride his Tiger in all conditions and has been known to Puff this Tiger Rider Off. :argh:

But really the trick is to ride a bike like you stole it and take it places that it should'nt be.
It works for me over and over again.

And i doubt if any 990 Ktm would see 20k's to the ltr.
My old 01 did 21kltr on the way to the passes ride from chch to Dunedin.
And i 've just got back from Taupo today and got 19k's to the ltr. At a steady 110k's as i picked up a pussy ticket for 116k's an hr. Shit happens. :Oops:

[dmc]

I've already dropped to a 16 tooth front (from the 17) but am still on the 41 rear. When I replace the chain and spockets next I'll be doing 16/45 i.e. crazy wheelie machine = me scare sh1tless (not really my scene). This is so I can use 6th at 100ish and will have great low speed gearing. At the moment I have to be 110+ to use 6th comfortably (16/41). Original gearing would be great in Europe on the 130kph motorways.

Restraint with the right wrist is something I'm having to learn as well. Way too much fun to crank it open! 100kph comes up super fast compared to the DR650 LOL.

I rode mine back from NN when I first got it. Lotsa ice and crap on the roads (was couple of months ago) so I had to take it pretty easy. Managed to get 300km till the fuel light came on but I'm not entirely sure how much juice that is (950 has the fuel pump outside the tank i.e. more capacity). I did fill up in Much which is about 150kms and I think I put in 10l i.e. 15 km/l. Doubt it will get much better than that unless I start playing with jetting.

Cheers R

You need to count again, 42 is the factory rear, a 16-42 cruises fine at open road speed in 6th so I wouldn't be rushing to put a 45 on the back unless you want to loss the top end. I considered it when I did the sprockets/chain the other week but know what we cruise at and it would be rev'n alot harder on the open road.

They are a wheelie machine without a 45 ;)

[cooneyr]

You need to count again, 42 is the factory rear, a 16-42 cruises fine at open road speed in 6th so I wouldn't be rushing to put a 45 on the back unless you want to loss the top end. I considered it when I did the sprockets/chain the other week but know what we cruise at and it would be rev'n alot harder on the open road.

They are a wheelie machine without a 45 ;)

Opps yep 42 at the moment. Mine would be doing about 3700/3800 at 100kph in 6th. It's not that happy at that rpm at 100kph. Much happier at 110 in 6th. 16/42 to 16/45 is a 6.7% change i.e. drop from 110 to 103 at happy revs in 6th = perfect for me. I'm not into anything more than 100/110 crusing. If I loose my licence I loose my job regardless of if I get the ticket when I am working or not.

Cheers R

[dmc]

The idea is not to get caught :whistle:

[The Duck 01]

The idea is not to get caught :whistle:

Even if i had a radar detector i reckon i would have got snapped.

Came around a corner and bang Gone.

And the Pommie Import Lady Cop said it was just bad luck for me, What ever.

Go pick on some really dick head drivers out there..... :argh:

And then she asked me how many tickets i have had, i told her to ring up and ask her com's. She was saying that i looked liked a repeat offender.:gob:

After she rang them in front off me she did say sorry for the implication.

Two tickets in 14 yrs, on demerts. Now 20 D's and $120.00 out off pocket to help her pay packet. That works not. :bash:

[dmc]

Was a comment on Cooneyr sayin he can't afford to get tickets ;)

The idea is to get on the shingle and the plod can go play with the cars.

[Ruralman]

Supermoto is pretty similar so I will pitch in...

Nope, I have never ever got 20km/L. Normally around 15 ish, but drops to 13 alarmingly fast

Yes, I can hold my bike at 110 ish (with a small fluctuation) for long periods of time... just imagine a cop around every corner :bleh:




Restraint with the right wrist is something I'm having to learn as well. Way too much fun to crank it open! 100kph comes up super fast compared to the DR650 LOL.

I rode mine back from NN when I first got it. Lotsa ice and crap on the roads (was couple of months ago) so I had to take it pretty easy. Managed to get 300km till the fuel light came on but I'm not entirely sure how much juice that is (950 has the fuel pump outside the tank i.e. more capacity). I did fill up in Much which is about 150kms and I think I put in 10l i.e. 15 km/l. Doubt it will get much better than that unless I start playing with jetting.

Cheers R

I fuelled up today and it worked out at 16.6km/l which I'm not too unhappy about as it wasn't a particularly economical tankful ;)
I don't think I will change the gearing - when cruising at 110 its OK and running like an overdrive (and hopefully saving fuel unless its labouring) and you just have to be prepared to click it down one or two for an overtaking or hill etc. 1st gear is quite tall and a bit of clutch slipping is often required to get underway (the hydraulic clutch is SO much lighter to use than the Tiger's - the Tiger became a literal pain in the wrist around town)


I looked up the specs for your bike!

If we both left here and rode to Christchurch, I would get there easily and you would have to fuel up at Ashburton! :whistle:

Tortoise and the hare situation,

:yes:

How far is it from your place to ChCh ?
As it happens I would be more than happy to ride with you and we'd probably use about the same rate of fuel - where the extra "performance" would come into its own would be when we weren't on the seal


Even if i had a radar detector i reckon i would have got snapped.

Came around a corner and bang Gone.

And the Pommie Import Lady Cop said it was just bad luck for me, What ever.

Go pick on some really dick head drivers out there..... :argh:

And then she asked me how many tickets i have had, i told her to ring up and ask her com's. She was saying that i looked liked a repeat offender.:gob:

:bash:
Sounds like you should have shaved you dodgy looking bastard :laugh::dodge:
Good to hear from you again Mark - you're right about the radar detectors - theres a lot of luck involved in them helping and in many cases with a "skilled" operator on the radar you've got no chance.
I haven't had a ticket for a while and am back down to 20 demerits - would be nice to get it back to zero again but I suspect my luck may run out at some stage. Until that happens I guess like most of us we pick our moments to turn the tap on!!:woohoo:

[Ruralman]

I once asked a chap what he felt was the main difference between the Tiger 955i and the 990 Adventure. Answer: "wheelies from 100km/h... get the KTM!" (That was Paul, for you Nelsonians' familiar with his antics, and rest assured 4skins your bike was properly "run in" :lol:)

:spanking:

Hmmm - popping wheelies from 100km/hr - theres something to consider on my way back to the farm tomorrow morning :whistle:

[ducatijim]

If you had followed any of my rants re 990adv, you would see that I regularly get consumption in the high 12K's/L when working it. 14+ would be a safe 'average' from my experience, changing back up to the 17t did not seem to improve the economy any.
I have run the tank empty 3 times and can say with certainty that only 21L will fit in there( piss poor 4 an intercontinental adventurer).
A big point to remember: the speedo reads very optimistically, don't for a moment belive you are actually DOING 110km just because its reading so....I have checked 2 x 990's and both are 7-8km/hr high at 100 and nearer 10kph at 130!:argh:
I know, youall still love em:woohoo:

[warewolf]

A big point to remember: the speedo reads very optimistically, don't for a moment belive you are actually DOING 110km just because its reading so....I have checked 2 x 990's and both are 7-8km/hr high at 100 and nearer 10kph at 130!:argh:That's pretty normal for all vehicles, bikes & cars. Nothing to be concerned about, it's just annoying but by no means a problem unique to this bike.

[Waihou Thumper]

A big point to remember: the speedo reads very optimistically, don't for a moment belive you are actually DOING 110km just because its reading so....I have checked 2 x 990's and both are 7-8km/hr high at 100 and nearer 10kph at 130!:argh:
I know, youall still love em:woohoo:

With the GPS alongside two KTM's, my 640A and a 950A together, the speedo was identical but the GPS read approx 6km/hr lower...;)

[oldrider]

How far is it from your place to ChCh ? Over 300km
As it happens I would be more than happy to ride with you and we'd probably use about the same rate of fuel - where the extra "performance" would come into its own would be when we weren't on the seal

It's over 300km, my fuel light comes on going along Moorehouse Avenue! (220miles on the trip meter)

That usually leaves about 5-6 litres in the tank, so it's not too heavy to lift off for servicing!

The same mileages apply when I ride down the back roads (mainly gravel) to your place and fill up at Balclutha!

You might be wise to read ducatijim's post below Brucie or you could end up walking! Unless of course, you take your Tiger! :whistle:


If you had followed any of my rants re 990adv, you would see that I regularly get consumption in the high 12K's/L when working it. 14+ would be a safe 'average' from my experience, changing back up to the 17t did not seem to improve the economy any.
I have run the tank empty 3 times and can say with certainty that only 21L will fit in there( piss poor 4 an intercontinental adventurer).
A big point to remember: the speedo reads very optimistically, don't for a moment belive you are actually DOING 110km just because its reading so....I have checked 2 x 990's and both are 7-8km/hr high at 100 and nearer 10kph at 130!:argh:
I know, youall still love em:woohoo:

[dmc]

So many comments on the range, who cares?

There are sweet F all rides that you can't get through on a full tank and there are lot of garages so I can't see the problem. fill the tanks at the garage ride the tits off it and fill it at the next garage problem solved.

[Gremlin]

So many comments on the range, who cares?
Perhaps not too much of an adventure issue, but I would imagine you guys spending long distances on the country station roads etc, where gas would be few and far between.

For my supermoto, I want to be able to cover as many km as possible, with minimum stopping, mainly for the long rides like TT2000, Grand Challenge etc. Also, at night, 24/7 stations can be few and far between.

Even Kaitaia to lighthouse and back is stretching my range into reserve, and there is no gas north of that besides Awanui during the day.

[dmc]

Yeh we rack up large Km's but then there isn't many rides where you can't find gas within a tank range, I had a shed load of gas on my Africa and all it did was make it F'n heavy when full and when the boys filled the KTM's I would still have to fill up as the next fuel stop was to far to get too on what was left in the tank.

[ducatijim]

So many comments on the range, who cares?

There are sweet F all rides that you can't get through on a full tank and there are lot of garages so I can't see the problem. fill the tanks at the garage ride the tits off it and fill it at the next garage problem solved.

Well, I cared when the bitch ran dry 13km out in the bush on me!( No, there where no other servos within that 360km-I had 6.5l xtra above a tank full too!)
So, I thought if others like to ask about range, I am well qualified to give them some advice and save someone some walking perhaps?:doh:
So. youre not interested in 990 fuel range?, who cares!:niceone:

[Eddieb]

Never mind them Jim, I'm interested.

I can see a 950 in my future. I ride Wellington to Hamilton semi regularly, often leaving at times and taking routes where the only petrol stations are little country ones that are closed when I'm travelling.

Planning around fuel stops matters to me.

[dmc]

So many touchie pep's on the site, as you will notice I said there are F all rides too far from fuel to do on a tank, I'm sure you can always find a ride somewhere but if you know the range of the bikes then how come so many people complain about it?

And yes I have run out of gas on my 950 before but that's because I F'd up and rode it too hard for the distance I had to cover and ran out a 1km short of the garage, but IMHO they are still the best bike you can have for NZ and still have a better range than alot of bikes out there just not as good as a small few.

[warewolf]

For my supermoto, I want to be able to cover as many km as possible, with minimum stopping, mainly for the long rides like TT2000, Grand Challenge etc. Also, at night, 24/7 stations can be few and far between.Those rides are generally planned around a 200-250km range, 'cos so many sprotsbikes can only do that.


when the boys filled the KTM's I would still have to fill up as the next fuel stop was to far to get too on what was left in the tank.I get that with the 640A. Riding with mates with a "normal" fuel range, you just end up carrying the extra fuel weight all the time: a penalty rather than an advantage.


I ride Wellington to Hamilton semi regularly, often leaving at times and taking routes where the only petrol stations are little country ones that are closed when I'm travelling.

Planning around fuel stops matters to me.Agreee - BTDT - but almost all the servos have 24 hr eftpos access these days - or at least one servo in the town. 10 years ago it was an issue, but not now. If you get too far off the main routes for long periods, then maybe you'll have to carry extra fuel, but hey it's all part of the "adventure", innit? It's the price you pay.

The 640A has a range of 450km of mixed riding, and 600km without seriously trying... ex-factory. You pays your money and makes your choice & compromises. Fuel consumption and range was a factor in my purchase decision over the 950.

A wise man once said, "there's no such thing as a perfect woman, boy."

[Waihou Thumper]

and 600km without seriously trying... ex-factory. "

Are you serious, the 25 litre tank takes you 600Km? Have you done that?
I have 28 litre tank on the 640A and I don't think it will do that...21km/litre best of times....Mind you, I haven't ridden it really economically, maybe I need to try and see what it will do...:eek:

[Ruralman]

It's over 300km, my fuel light comes on going along Moorehouse Avenue! (220miles on the trip meter)

That usually leaves about 5-6 litres in the tank, so it's not too heavy to lift off for servicing!

The same mileages apply when I ride down the back roads (mainly gravel) to your place and fill up at Balclutha!

You might be wise to read ducatijim's post below Brucie or you could end up walking! Unless of course, you take your Tiger! :whistle:

300K's - piece of cake John. To get the consumption down to those low levels I presume involves absolutely caning it - probably on gravel backroads where the bike is up and down in speed all the time and the average speed is not necessarily that high but the bike is working pretty hard (and the rider is having shitloads of fun!!)
I am having a go at seeing what I can get out of it riding somewhat restrained - done about 90km so far on this tank full - I'll do another trip to town and back or something and then measure it

[Woodman]

I would presume that when on gravel your back wheel is probarbly doing a lot more miles than the front is indicating on the odometer. This factor will rise exponentially with the more horsepower you have.
When on the tar the mileage relative to the front wheel will be more true.

[oldrider]

I would presume that when on gravel your back wheel is probarbly doing a lot more miles than the front is indicating on the odometer. This factor will rise exponentially with the more horsepower you have.
When on the tar the mileage relative to the front wheel will be more true.

Nope. I don't ride the Tiger like a chook chaser, my back can't take long periods on the pegs or boobing up and down any more! :no:

I mostly use the long cogs, sit back and ride it like a lazy boy chair, covers the ground, gets me around OK. :niceone:

Of course you young fellahs would class that as Nanna riding but hey, I am a Nanna, remember! :rolleyes:

[warewolf]

Are you serious, the 25 litre tank takes you 600Km? Have you done that?
I have 28 litre tank on the 640A and I don't think it will do that...21km/litre best of times....Mind you, I haven't ridden it really economically, maybe I need to try and see what it will do...:eek:All but; I've done 480km of mixed riding several times. Mine is 25.5L and riding a GC with a nanna mate sitting a few kays either side of 100km/h (except for wicking it up in a few twisty sections :devil2:) it returned quite good figures:

4.38L/100km over 382km = range of 582km (22.8km/L for you old skool types)
4.39L/100km over 287km = range of 581km (22.8km/L)
4.58L/100km over 444km = range of 557km (21.9km/L and didn't even hit reserve yet!)

If'n I wasn't wicking it up in the corners, and I was doing say 90km/h tops, I'd expect to get well over 600km from a tank. Not saying I could achieve that gravel touring - these are absolutely best case figures from steady tarmac cruise with fairly road-ish tyres.

That's not a one-off: the next year returned a couple of 4.48L/100km's, and in '07 with Clint on Rosie's killer sherpa, we were moving a bit faster, most were under 5.0L/100km but the two best tanks were:

4.58L/100km over 420km = range 557km (21.9km/L)
4.61L/100km over 420km = range 553km (21.7km/L)

I record everything and it goes into a spreadsheet that calculates all the useful stuff. That gives me excellent data so I can see a) when the bike is having fuelling issues, and b) how different conditions affect the fuel consumption.

btw you do realise that your 21km/L means 588km on 28L, don't you? So 600km should be pretty easy for you to achieve.

[The Duck 01]

I just saw this and thought i'd throw a curved ball into the arguement.

LOL

[1KTM]

I just brought the new 990 09 my 1st tank did 220ks be 4 fuel light came on now i done 1600ks now i get about 240ks two 280ks . My old bike 950 can do 300ks be 4 fuel light came on . my old bike 4 sale $13,995 21564ks on it at wheels of thames

[ducatijim]

So many touchie pep's on the site, as you will notice I said there are F all rides too far from fuel to do on a tank, .

Are you ever right about the touchy folk on here....I've noticed them too!!:laugh: ( takes all sorts eh dmc?)

You musn't read much m8, most all publications re new bikes harp on about fuel range/fuel useage, it does seem like something folk like to know about, even just going from the discussion in this thread alone.

The 'whys and wherefores' of the subject will be differant from rider to rider, but by and large, I have never spoken to a fellow rider who doesn't intimately know his machines fuel stats. Period.:eek:

So, lets you and me keep an eye out for those...'touchy' folk eh!:niceone:

[Triwi]

Just returned from 4 weeks in OZ on my 990 and have to say that fuel usage is at the front of the brain all the time. You seriously do not want to get the speed/usage equation wrong. On one occasion the map showed a pump - closed several months prior - it was only the friendliness of a local contractor that saved a 400km return hitch and an overnight stay. I record usage all the time and trip figures varied from 15kpl to 18.5. The figures improve closer to the east coast as cruise speeds slowly reduce toward the 100kmh limit in the highly populated areas. Strange that. Returning from Ayers rock to Alice the bike returned 15kpl sitting at constant 130 (per GPS). Two up with all camping gear etc. Akra tune and open 2 int 1 pipe. It was interesting to note that one up with gear made no difference ie the drag of panniers is considerable and pillion 'fills the space' aerodynamically so even tho bike is much less overall weight the extra turbulence negates that. Running without bags showed immediate improvement in economy of 2kpl under any conditions.
2 other thoughts for comment
-Outback roads had me cruising (where possible) at around 100kph. With 17/45 gearing peak torque is some 2500rpm higher at this speed. Accordingly, specially on sand or loose based roads where rolling resistance is higher the motor was on the point of labouring requiring some more throttle opening. Change down and greater throttle opening assured. Hence economy at modest speeds was only 15/16kpl. I do wonder if KTM lowered the revs for peak torque a bit whether the fuel use issues would calm down.
-Why cant manufactures get the speedo readings perfect at least when tyres are new? 130 indicated 122 true. 107 indicated 100 true.
cheers
triwi

[warewolf]

-Why cant manufactures get the speedo readings perfect at least when tyres are new? 130 indicated 122 true. 107 indicated 100 true.There's been some long & involved discussions, on this site and others. General consensus is that of course, in this day and age if they wanted to, they could. They don't want to, because the powers-that-be like it this way and possibly there are legal ramifications about under-reading.

IIRC last time I read through the regs, there was a -0.0% tolerance allowed, ie the speedo could not under-read by any amount. So the manufacturers make sure they over-read (eg +5%) to avoid under-reading.

[Ruralman]

I just saw this and thought i'd throw a curved ball into the arguement.

LOL

I can't read the text of the article - I assume its about BMW riders ???:laugh:

[Ruralman]

. I record usage all the time and trip figures varied from 15kpl to 18.5. The figures improve closer to the east coast as cruise speeds slowly reduce toward the 100kmh limit in the highly populated areas. Strange that. Returning from Ayers rock to Alice the bike returned 15kpl sitting at constant 130 (per GPS). Two up with all camping gear etc. Akra tune and open 2 int 1 pipe. It was interesting to note that one up with gear made no difference ie the drag of panniers is considerable and pillion 'fills the space' aerodynamically so even tho bike is much less overall weight the extra turbulence negates that.
Running without bags showed immediate improvement in economy of 2kpl under any conditions.
2 other thoughts for comment
-Outback roads had me cruising (where possible) at around 100kph. With 17/45 gearing peak torque is some 2500rpm higher at this speed. Accordingly, specially on sand or loose based roads where rolling resistance is higher the motor was on the point of labouring requiring some more throttle opening. Change down and greater throttle opening assured. Hence economy at modest speeds was only 15/16kpl. I do wonder if KTM lowered the revs for peak torque a bit whether the fuel use issues would calm down.
-Why cant manufactures get the speedo readings perfect at least when tyres are new? 130 indicated 122 true. 107 indicated 100 true.
cheers
triwi

Interesting stuff - I leave the small panniers on all the time and save the big ones for when I really need them. I did notice with the Tiger and especially the Transalp that fuel useage went up with panniers on.
I'll do another quiet trip with the bike as it is to use up most of this tankful and see what it does and might do a comparison without the panniers sometime.
The other day coming home I did just use roll on in top gear for passing traffic - the thing can still get up and rumble, probably we change down because we enjoy the rocket ship express it turns into with a few more revs where in fact often it really isn't necessary (but who the fuck wants to restrict themselves to "necessary" anyway!!)
As far as speedo accuracy goes - I'm pretty sure the Tiger was very close to being correct. If the KTM is as far out as you guys are saying then there are a shitload of cars that are out by a lot more based on how many you catch up on even cruising at 110km (on the Tiger this seemed to happen at closer to 100km/hr)

[Frodo]

There's been some long & involved discussions, on this site and others. General consensus is that of course, in this day and age if they wanted to, they could. They don't want to, because the powers-that-be like it this way and possibly there are legal ramifications about under-reading.

IIRC last time I read through the regs, there was a -0.0% tolerance allowed, ie the speedo could not under-read by any amount. So the manufacturers make sure they over-read (eg +5%) to avoid under-reading.

The workshop manual for my bike states that odometer accuracy is +- 0%, speedo accuracy is set at +6%. This is a design rules requirement and matches with my experience with my odo and speedo. I agree that they could get it right but are told not to. This is presumably to make drivers/riders think they are going faster than they are, hence encouraging lower speeds.

Cheers

[ducatijim]

Just returned from 4 weeks in OZ on my 990 and have to say that fuel usage is at the front of the brain all the time.That sounds a lot like wot I bin saying!!!:done: Returning from Ayers rock to Alice the bike returned 15kpl sitting at constant 130 (per GPS). Two up with all camping gear etc. Oh....ya gotta love the 'territory' don't ya!! Outdoors folk can carry guns, beaut roads....fantastic climate( for 6 months anyway), adventure round every corner( and only 500km between corners!!!)...take me back.............( sept 23:soon:)
triwi

Will we see a ride report Triwi??

[Ruralman]

Well enough of this gentle riding crap.
On this tankful (with panniers on the whole time) and trying my best to keep the speed around 110-115 indicated I did 276.4km on 16.78 litres - ie 16.47km/litre.
There was the odd burst - I mean sanity requires it really - but most of the time it was pretty restrained. So I'm a bit unimpressed by that result

One question though - I notice theres a lot of sooty specks around the outlet of the exhausts. Has anyone else noticed this? Is this just our shitty fuel plus maybe some turbulence caused by the topbox and panniers? or, does it mean it might actually be running a bit rich ? If its the latter then I assume the dealer will be able to plug it in to a computer and alter the fuel mapping.

I don't know anything about the previous owner - I suppose if he was a real nanna then maybe I'm just blowing out some deposits??

[Gremlin]

... trying my best to keep the speed around 110-115 indicated I did 276.4km on 16.78 litres - ie 16.47km/litre.
There was the odd burst - I mean sanity requires it really - but most of the time it was pretty restrained. So I'm a bit unimpressed by that result
Don't get a KTM if you want fantastic fuel economy... thats really it in a nutshell. I went on a search for fuel economy with my SM (hell, I can barely ever manage 16km/L) much to the amusement of my shop. Problem was, it was ruining my range between having to fill (220km ish before R on 15L).

They told me to stop wheelying or they could restrict the first few gears again <_< No thanks! :laugh:

Yes, its highly likely the bike will run rich. Has it got stock pipes, do you know what map has been loaded etc? You'll have a small amount of movement on the fuel map, but not a full custom map.

[The Duck 01]

I can't read the text of the article - I assume its about BMW riders ???:laugh:

I just happened upon this which might help :whistle:

http://www.adrianmolloy.com/1050_Tiger_Roadtest.html

Take a read interesting :scooter:

[oldrider]

I just happened upon this which might help :whistle:

http://www.adrianmolloy.com/1050_Tiger_Roadtest.html

Take a read interesting :scooter:

Yes RM, you should find the link above interesting seeing as you own both brands, it "might" help you to decide which bike to keep! :niceone:

No contest really! :whistle:

[Ruralman]

Yes RM, you should find the link above interesting seeing as you own both brands, it "might" help you to decide which bike to keep! :niceone:

No contest really! :whistle:

Thanks for that John. KTM must have sent out some sort of upgrade for the fuel mapping or something because it sounds like the jerkiness was quite a problem back then (I have heard it from several places), but it seems to be largely sorted now. Mine is still a bit jerky in 1st gear on/off the throttle but not really a problem, and I certainly don't notice any issues when just plodding along slowly in a group ride in the higher gears.
The ABS is an interesting one - I have ridden mine with it off and on on the gravel - I have now decided I prefer to have it on. KTM seem to have programmed the setup well for our gravel roads and on the Danseys I really like being able to use a lot of power on the front brakes coming into a corner and shed a lot of speed very quickly without any risk of a front end washout. I can at times definitely feel the pulsing in the back wheel on corrugations etc if braking hard but I think this is outweighed by the power and confidence in the front brake.
Probably on some really knarly trail with lots of loose rocks etc I might be tempted to disable the ABS but I think some of the comment comes from people who just think that they are better riders than need ABS and that you shouldn't have ABS on non-sealed surfaces - without actually trying it out and learning to use the advantages of having it. Believe it or not I was rather skeptical about the ABS myself but having ridden with it I am now a convert.
I certainly find the 990 a lot easier to ride on gravel than the Tiger - on the hard packed stuff it probably doesn't make much difference but once theres more loose stuff plus ruts etc theres a big difference. It was a test ride on a little goat track of a road that had been recently graded that really sold the KTM to me.
I think the ideal rider height for the Tiger was about 5ft10 - I'm 6ft 2 - the KTM fits me better and is more comfortable and suits me better for what I like to do . That doesn't take away anything from the Tiger
Bruce
Apart from that the tester was probably a lightweight anorexic dwarf

[The Duck 01]

Thanks for that John.
Apart from that the tester was probably a lightweight anorexic dwarf

Yeah it sounds like Oldrider :whistle:

Back to ride to "RIDE WHAT YOU BRUNG"

Until one or other goe's out shed hold the party line......:scooter:

[XF650]

Wouldn't the main difference between the 990 & the Tiger on gravel be the front wheel size?

[oldrider]

Yeah it sounds like Oldrider :whistle:

Back to ride to "RIDE WHAT YOU BRUNG"

Until one or other goe's out shed hold the party line......:scooter:

Bloody charming, I am trying to take the piss with Ruralman and you switch allegiances and side with him! There is no justice! :doh:

The Triumph man (the writer/tester) may have been a tad biased RM, just a wee tad! :lol:

[The Duck 01]

Wouldn't the main difference between the 990 & the Tiger on gravel be the front wheel size?

It's size of the HEAD of The Rider :crazy:

[XF650]

It's size of the HEAD of The Rider :crazy:

Ha Ha - I wondered who would be first to refer to the size of an appendage

[The Duck 01]

Ha Ha - I wondered who would be first to refer to the size of an appendage

And Johnnys got Balls :gob:

To buy into a fight with RM .........:scooter:

[oldrider]

Ha Ha - I wondered who would be first to refer to the size of an appendage

Brucie's being too PC, he wont buy into our piss take! :oi-grr:

[Ruralman]

And Johnnys got Balls :gob:

To buy into a fight with RM .........:scooter:

The old dwarf still has balls????? - I thought his declining interest in real Adv bikes might have been due to either oestrogen patches or being de-nutted - I guess we can now rule out one of them ????:Punk:


Brucie's being too PC, he wont buy into our piss take! :oi-grr:

Who me?? - gotta split the serious answers from the other stuff ya know
So tell me - have you had any luck finding out whether you can get knobblies for the Burgman ???? :laugh:

[oldrider]

I'm telling Mrs oldrider on you! :crybaby:

[The Duck 01]

I'm telling Mrs oldrider on you! :crybaby:

Hardin up Johnny, :Offtopic:

I offered you the stifff rubbers The ones with knobs on for extra.........

And The Indian Blue Tabs [ cheap cheap]

Don't take this laying down :confused:

My mum always said >> It's not the size of the dog , But the size of the fight in the dog....

LoL :2guns: