Does the punishment match the crime?

[Tubbsy]

I have just been to pay a $750 fine. It stung a lot. But probably what stings more, is I don't think the magnitude of the fine is justified.

I was a good chunk over on my road user charges, and less than a month over on my rego. So yes, I deserved to get pinged, but I really don't think in this case, as a first "offense", that the punishment matched the crime.
I did nothing dangerous, no speeding, car is warranted and safe, all I got slammed for, was being overly forgetful (hand on heart).

It feels like it's just revenue gouging now. I kinda feel like $750 is in the same league as serious offenses, which being forgetful really isn't.

Putting aside the fact that 'the law says so and it must be obeyed', what do you guys reckon?

Those of you who have had a fine or fines, what's the amount and the transgression been?

Even the cop who ticketed me said I should write in and request it waived because it would be a big fine. Incidentally, they never bothered to reply to me.

Left a bad taste in my mouth about the police, especially as they never even bothered to come out when my car was broken into.

[Renegade]

you should have posted this up before you paid the fine, i know a guy who side stepped the fine, LTNZ or whoever the $ goes too bring your kms up to date and let you pay the outstanding kms off over a period of time. :Oops:

next time.

[Riding LockedDown]

Yeah I got done $800 for no L plate and going over 70km/h. Which I was guilty of and I had no problem paying a fine for. But $800...

It was my first offence, and I was only going 92 and it was on the motorway... I wasnt driving recklessly or anything but still got done. I told the officer I was just a student, and that I had to take the motorway as it is the only way to get to university.

So when he came back with a $800 fine I said man this is steep, im just a student... and he said "well u gotta learn", I hadnt given him any lip or anything, really left me thinking 'fuck what a wanker'. I know the majority of cops are good blokes, but the way my offence was handled, was I believe to be very poor... souring my view on police.

Police you are here to serve and protect, not try and ruin me and take all my money so I cant finish university, nz will make shitloads out of taxes from the money I'll earn in the future anyway. which is fine...

but yeah, I was prepared to pay a fine, like $400 max, but I got $800... Made me really angry...

[grusomhat]

Ouch! That's massive. They are quite tough with RUC from what I hear but good history should definitely come into play when issuing fines like that. I'm sure there's other greater offensives that don't incur such harsh penalties.

You won't be forgetting again though will you?

[Slyer]

I almost got a $1200+ fine for riding without L plate (was partially broken off), going over 70kph, riding after 10pm at night and also a minor speeding offense...
He let me off.

[tigertim20]

yeah its pretty crap, they need to re-evaluate how they deal with that stuff aye, they have reduced some of the fines and upped the demerits for some offences just recently, which I think is a good start. $800 for being forgetfull is terrible. Youd think he would have said, Ill give you 7 days to get it sorted or else big fine. does seem a bit rough.

[Jantar]

You do have to remember that RUC and Rego are nothing to do with road safety, they are there for revenue collecting. Evading revenue in New Zealand is a crime that is far more serious than any road traffic offences, so the fine is also much higher.

[Blackshear]

Only had a $300, 81 in 50 zone.
Though, legally, he could've done me for over 70k's, and a 2-day lapsed rego.
So I was pretty fucking thankful.

[MarkH]

I was a good chunk over on my road user charges

Sounds like tax evasion. Always remember that the government likes your money and requires you to pay it to them - any attempt to hang on to your own money will result in much fury and striking you down! Income tax/GST/Road tax/Fines/ACC levies/etc - you will pay a fuck load to the government in your lifetime, $750 is a very small drop in the bucket compared to the total paid by you in your lifetime to the Govt.

In the next budget they will be unveiling their new simplified tax form which only has these 2 things:
1. How much did you earn?
2. Send it to us!

[CookMySock]

Get used to it. I've had the whole lot happen to me, and now I care nothing for the pigs feelings. Fuck the lot of them. Get hard, get angry, and get even.

Consider also, when you need THEIR help urgently, you can sing for that too.

NZ Police can get bent.

Steve

[pritch]

Police you are here to serve and protect,

Ummm I think that's New York but you still wouldn't want to take that too literally. Especially if you were the wrong colour?

[MarkH]

yeah its pretty crap, they need to re-evaluate how they deal with that stuff aye, they have reduced some of the fines and upped the demerits for some offences just recently

I am not so thrilled with more demerits. After the cops have a few minor niggles with unimportant stuff you do you could end up with no license for 3 months. This can often be an over the top penalty for very minor offences.
You can get a ticket for 61kph in a 50 zone, sometimes the 50 zone could easily be a 70 zone quite safely - get a few of these minor revenue gathering tickets and you could be without a license for 3 months, that's pretty harsh for such minor indiscretions.

[Tank]

Get used to it. I've had the whole lot happen to me, and now I care nothing for the pigs feelings. Fuck the lot of them. Get hard, get angry, and get even.

Consider also, when you need THEIR help urgently, you can sing for that too.

NZ Police can get bent.

Steve

A lot of love going on there DB - I've said it before - and I'll say it again:

Treating people in a professional nice manner will get you a hell of a lot further than being rude and ignorant.

I really cannot think of a single friend who has had any issues like that - but then they are all good, reasonable and rational people who dont insult cops.

Perhaps you need to look at yourself before not 'feeling' for others simply because of their career choice? Then perhaps you wont have the same problems when they are dealing with you.

[FROSTY]

Id say the punishment fits the crime. That is to say the (hopefully) real punishment. Youv'e been inconvenienced and reminded in a pretty solid way to get stuff up to date.
You will now have the inconvenience of having to wright into them with a letter of explaination and proof you've got the rego and RUC up to date.
If you've done it pretty darn smartly id say 95% chance you'll get let off with a warning.

[Spyke]

Tank stop stalking DB on these kind of posts

btw I'm saying this cause it's sad to do that.

not a personal attack on you or anything though lol.

[Tubbsy]

Treating people in a professional nice manner will get you a hell of a lot further than being rude and ignorant.


I was exceptionally courteous, without even so much as an eye roll. Didn't get me anywhere.

There was a thing on T.V recently about this kid down south somewhere that got pinged $700 for riding his skateboard on the pavement. That speaks volumes right there FWIW. He said quite rightly that it was ridiculous and refused to pay, cops backed down once the media got a whiff.

I used to be a strong advocate for the thin blue line, but after the whole police PC porn scandal a few years back, the utter incompetence they handled my home burglary with, and then the subsequent car burglary no show, followed by this exorbitant fine for nothing other than being forgetful, it's massiveley soured my opinion of them.

They are, as far as I'm concerned now, laughable.
Lady here at work had all her security cameras stolen sometime last night, they called the cops, who advised that it was probably "burglars getting ready to rob the place"!! Brilliant farkin deduction....I see Sherlock has moved from Baker street to NZ.

[Tubbsy]

Id say the punishment fits the crime. That is to say the (hopefully) real punishment. Youv'e been inconvenienced and reminded in a pretty solid way to get stuff up to date.
You will now have the inconvenience of having to wright into them with a letter of explaination and proof you've got the rego and RUC up to date.
If you've done it pretty darn smartly id say 95% chance you'll get let off with a warning.

I did it within hours, and wrote to them over 20 days ago with no hint of a reply.

Consider this, if you think the punishment fits the crime, another post on here from the Chicago tribune says a woman got a ticket for reckless driving after killing a femaling motorcyclist whilst applying make-up. She got a fine. Do you reckon my 'offense' was in the same league as hitting and killing someone?

[jaymzw]

Id say the punishment fits the crime. That is to say the (hopefully) real punishment. Youv'e been inconvenienced and reminded in a pretty solid way to get stuff up to date.
You will now have the inconvenience of having to wright into them with a letter of explaination and proof you've got the rego and RUC up to date.
If you've done it pretty darn smartly id say 95% chance you'll get let off with a warning.

Does the punishment fit the crime?

Maybe not, but it fits with the costs of every other fine in NZ.

Do you get demerits with RUC or Rego? That is what i would be worrying about personally.

I'd say the thing that sucks is that after you pay the fines(if you dont get off) you will still have to get you RUC and rego or whatever up to date.

[Tubbsy]

Does the punishment fit the crime?

Maybe not, but it fits with the costs of every other fine in NZ.

Do you get demerits with RUC or Rego? That is what i would be worrying about personally.

No demerit points as far as I know, at least I wasn't advised of that, and yeh, same dayI got it I bought about 15,000 RUC to make sure I don't get pinged again.

I know this is a sensitive subject and opinions will vary, it's always good to have healthy debate though. :jerry:

[imdying]

Mmmmm tax evasion... don't try and steal from the government, they don't like the competition.

[FROSTY]

Does the punishment fit the crime?

Maybe not, but it fits with the costs of every other fine in NZ.

Do you get demerits with RUC or Rego? That is what i would be worrying about personally.

I'd say the thing that sucks is that after you pay the fines(if you dont get off) you will still have to get you RUC and rego or whatever up to date.
Dude CAREFULLY read my post. My point is that the REAL punishments most likely gonna be a load of paperwork on his part.
Personally I've been advocating that diesel like petrol should be taxed at pump. I know it wouldn't be popular with truckies but to me it makes more sense for the truckies,trains,boats, be able to claim back the deisel tax rather than all the hassles with hubometers and diesel tax.
One less bit of work for the cops and the gubbinment.

[Tubbsy]

Personally I've been advocating that diesel like petrol should be taxed at pump.

Agreed, thing is, that'd ensure no-one ever gets pinged for overdue RUC like I did, thereby cutting off a revenue stream.

Glass half empty comment I know.

[SlashWylde]

It feels like it's just revenue gouging now. I kinda feel like $750 is in the same league as serious offenses, which being forgetful really isn't.

Putting aside the fact that 'the law says so and it must be obeyed', what do you guys reckon?

That last point aside, I would tend to agree with the general sentiment of your post regarding the WOF.

Case in point: a few years ago my car was hit diagonally in the right front quarter by another car driver coming from the opposite direction who wasn't paying attention and drifted over to my side of the road. both of us traveling at approx 50kph in opposite directions down the same stretch of road.

I didn't suffer any lacerations or broken bones, but I was off work for most of a week as I couldn't move due to muscular stiffness. Also I had to find a new car as mine was a write-off.

He was fined $500 for careless use of a motor vehicle.... can you believe that?

[Tank]

Tank stop stalking DB on these kind of posts

btw I'm saying this cause it's sad to do that.

not a personal attack on you or anything though lol.

Yeah - I know its not a personal attack - and to be honest Im not 'stalking DB' on this type of post - you can actually see I have said it many, many, many times to many, many people.

It really fucks me off when I see people (Cops) being called pigs, and having shit thrown at them simply because of the job they are doing.

Part of the job that they are made to do is traffic - they dont make the rules, they simply enforce them.

These guys are the ones who have to attend fatal accidents, tell parents that their kids arnt coming home, and a whole lot of other shit that the majority of us couldn't do (well I know I couldn't).

I believe a HUGE part of the problems we have in society today stem from a lack of respect, and whilst I agree that respect needs to be earnt, not given as a right - I think it worse that the default attitude is "fuck the cunt pigs" that prevails in a lot of post - generally from people who have done something wrong and got caught.

I know a number of cops and to be told some of the stuff that is said to them on a weekly basis is disgusting - yet they have to remain as professional as possible and do what needs to be done.

When they keep getting called pigs, spat on etc it dosnt really help keep them in a good mood.

Yep - its one of my buttons and I'm on my soapbox.

[pete376403]

Chicken and egg thing - maybe if the cops were a bit less zealous in enforcing the minor issues that have less to do with safety and more to do with revenue (they DO have discretion, but seem disinclined to use it) while at the same time being a little stronger on the crime enforcement (ie actually bothering to turn up when a burglary is reported) maybe the publics perception may change a little in their favour. Maybe.

F'rinstance I was billed for failing to indicate at a roundabout. 11 oclock at night, no other vehicles in sight (apart from a Commodore parked at the roadside. Which happened to be a mufti. Wasn't the least bit interested in discussing the fact there was nothing for me to indicate my intentions to.
So now if I saw that particular guy having a 1 on 5 with the local MM boys, I'd probably put my own safety first, and wait till the MMs were good and finished, before calling 111. Which is a pity, as I was bought up to respect the Police.

[peasea]

I have just been to pay a $750 fine. It stung a lot. But probably what stings more, is I don't think the magnitude of the fine is justified.

I was a good chunk over on my road user charges, and less than a month over on my rego. So yes, I deserved to get pinged, but I really don't think in this case, as a first "offense", that the punishment matched the crime.
I did nothing dangerous, no speeding, car is warranted and safe, all I got slammed for, was being overly forgetful (hand on heart).

It feels like it's just revenue gouging now. I kinda feel like $750 is in the same league as serious offenses, which being forgetful really isn't.

Putting aside the fact that 'the law says so and it must be obeyed', what do you guys reckon?

Those of you who have had a fine or fines, what's the amount and the transgression been?

Even the cop who ticketed me said I should write in and request it waived because it would be a big fine. Incidentally, they never bothered to reply to me.

Left a bad taste in my mouth about the police, especially as they never even bothered to come out when my car was broken into.

It's all because they're more interested in emptying your wallet than road safety or anything else.

The cops don't reply coz they don't give a shit.

That bad taste in your mouth is a 'taste' of things to come. get used to it bucko, the police are scum and it's all about the money. Good policing went out with the ark. Oh, and if you object to anything they say or do you'll be tagged a 'vexacious litigant' and they'll discredit you at every opportunity. If you're going to fight them get a second mortgage and a lawyer who can lie with the best! (Rickards springs to mind....)

[FJRider]

Perhaps remove the RUC fee's ... and double the price of Diesel at the pumps. Commercial firms may a lot more for breach of RUC laws... you got off lightly.
Just think of it as "inspiration" to keep up to date with mileage fee's due.

The next time won't be as light...

[Tank]

So now if I saw that particular guy having a 1 on 5 with the local MM boys, I'd probably put my own safety first, and wait till the MMs were good and finished, before calling 111. Which is a pity, as I was bought up to respect the Police.

So - you changed how you would behave if you saw that particular copper getting a kicking by a group of mob members simply because he gave you a ticket?

That probably says more about you than anything.

Funnily enough you (and others on this forum) would expect him to risk his own life and run to help you if he saw you getting attacked by the mob members - even after referring to him as a pig as others on here have.

[peasea]

So - you changed how you would behave if you saw that particular copper getting a kicking by a group of mob members simply because he gave you a ticket?
.

Good job too, kick the fuck outta the scumbag pig!

[nallac]

$200 for no WOF
or
$750 for no RUC

which is worse....

must be The RUC because the fines bigger...
What a crock of shit.

[peasea]

$200 for no WOF
or
$750 for no RUC

which is worse....

must be The RUC because the fines bigger...
What a crock of shit.

It's all about the MUH_NEEEEEE

[firefighter]

Does the punishment fit the crime?

Maybe not, but it fits with the costs of every other fine in NZ.

Do you get demerits with RUC or Rego? That is what i would be worrying about personally.

I'd say the thing that sucks is that after you pay the fines(if you dont get off) you will still have to get you RUC and rego or whatever up to date.

You realise if the car was full of darkies who could'nt pay the fine he would'nt have bothered issuing it eh? (serious I have some friends who tell me these things, oh yeah and their words too)

They would have seen a nice guy who looks like he can pay for the fine and issued the ticket.

The cop who fined the op deserves that PIG title, what a self righteous little cunt. No respect from me, and anyone whos read my thoughts on NZpolice knows I defend them to no end, apart from here, this is bollocks.


$200 for no WOF
or
$750 for no RUC

which is worse....

must be The RUC because the fines bigger...
What a crock of shit.

Totally agree, a rego less than 2 months out (and ruc within 1000kms) needent be ticketed, they get their money either way, you have to pay for your usage in the end. I think it's a fucken pointless ticket. It literally achieves nothing.

[EJK]

Ginga cop?</10char>

[peasea]

You realise if the car was full of darkies who could'nt pay the fine he would'nt have bothered issuing it eh? (serious I have some friends who tell me these things, oh yeah and their words too)

They would have seen a nice guy who looks like he can pay for the fine and issued the ticket.

The cop who fined the op deserves that PIG title, what a self righteous little cunt. No respect from me, and anyone whos read my thoughts on NZpolice knows I defend them to no end, apart from here, this is bollocks.



Totally agree, a rego less than 2 months out (and ruc within 1000kms) needent be ticketed, they get their money either way, you have to pay for your usage in the end. I think it's a fucken pointless ticket. It literally achieves nothing.

I love you and want to have your babies.

[ynot slow]

Was reading The Star South Taranaki community paper last week,a lady was done DIC about 600-750mcg or so,the judge when sentancing said words to the effect "you have limited means to pay a fine,so $300 and 6 months"don't quote me on amounts but they are pretty close,what pissed me off was she had the money to get in her car to get pissed,whether she bought the piss doesn't matter.

A couple of years ago there was an outburst from the districts(Sth Naki) head police honcho Frank Grant saying he expected his officers to finish their jobs(paperwork) and if it took 17-18hours so be it,a local trucky explained could his firm have an exemption to their driving hours as well,as he said any person can have breakdowns etc,and was tough doing Hawera-Auckland return in 14 hour day at times,his firm was marginally targeted by the mod squad.

[peasea]

Was reading The Star South Taranaki community paper last week,a lady was done DIC about 600-750mcg or so,the judge when sentancing said words to the effect "you have limited means to pay a fine,so $300 and 6 months"don't quote me on amounts but they are pretty close,what pissed me off was she had the money to get in her car to get pissed,whether she bought the piss doesn't matter.

A couple of years ago there was an outburst from the districts(Sth Naki) head police honcho Frank Grant saying he expected his officers to finish their jobs(paperwork) and if it took 17-18hours so be it,a local trucky explained could his firm have an exemption to their driving hours as well,as he said any person can have breakdowns etc,and was tough doing Hawera-Auckland return in 14 hour day at times,his firm was marginally targeted by the mod squad.

I have some very close contacts in the linehaul trucking game. It's a minefield of k's, money and political claptrap combined with hard-arse drivers tryjng to make a living/get a job done and roads that can't support the traffic, be-it heavy or otherwise.

Biking in NZ is a unique and very dangerous experience, as is trucking. There's nothing worse than the two paths colliding. I feel for the truck drivers (who rank among my friends and family), they have to do mega hours and be sober in the off-hours to make the grade. You try it! I can't even get close and I admit it.

I've been stuck behind trucks on bikes and in cars in many conditions. For the most part (99.9%) I've had good feedback, got a wink of the indicator or whatever and it's all been good to overtake. Truckers are the last group on NZ roads I'd be targeting when it comes to road speed or even road manners.

Cops, however, need the bash.

[MaxB]

That last point aside, I would tend to agree with the general sentiment of your post regarding the WOF.

Case in point: a few years ago my car was hit diagonally in the right front quarter by another car driver coming from the opposite direction who wasn't paying attention and drifted over to my side of the road. both of us traveling at approx 50kph in opposite directions down the same stretch of road.

I didn't suffer any lacerations or broken bones, but I was off work for most of a week as I couldn't move due to muscular stiffness. Also I had to find a new car as mine was a write-off.

He was fined $500 for careless use of a motor vehicle.... can you believe that?

Yes I can.

I was in the gallery on a break (jury duty) and sat in on the traffic cases. On the same day I watched a cage driver busted for 50-60kmh over on a deserted road get 28 day walk, 50 points and a $1000+ fine with costs for exceeding the speed limit. No victims.

Then came a woman (with her lawyer) who ran over her friends toddler reversing out of her driveway breaking the wee one's leg. The impact report said the kid was terrified to go out side etc even though she was healed physically. The driver was charged with careless use causing injury and got No ban, 100 hours community service and $350 fine. The magistrate said 'Do not underestimate the value of community service' FFS

For a long time now I have thought we only get the justice we can afford.

[scumdog]

Good policing went out with the ark.

'Good' Policing is when it all goes in your favour I take it?:whistle:

[peasea]

'Good' Policing is when it all goes in your favour I take it?:whistle:

Good policing is when it goes in the favour of what's fair and honest. No doubt you're having trouble understanding that. Not surprising and no fault of your own.

I'd pat you on the head but I don't have my rubber undies to get your attention.

[scumdog]

Good policing is when it goes in the favour of what's fair and honest. No doubt you're having trouble understanding that. Not surprising and no fault of your own.

I'd pat you on the head but I don't have my rubber undies to get your attention.

So many peadophiles see their treatment as unfair and dishonest, I guess they never got good policing either eh?

[peasea]

So many peadophiles see their treatment as unfair and dishonest, I guess they never got good policing either eh?


Actually, they probably did, that's their problem.

[McDuck]

RUCs must have been over a fair bit....

[Tubbsy]

RUCs must have been over a fair bit....

Yeh they were because I ride my bike most days and totally lost track, that's why I admit it was deserved to get pinged, just though it was a little OTT on the amount.

[Tubbsy]

Good policing is when it goes in the favour of what's fair and honest.

Couldn't have said it better. There could be much discussion over what's fair and honest too, but at the end of the day, emotion aside, if you take an objective look at some of the penalties imposed for minor v major offenses, there does seem to be a bit of an imbalance.

[Okey Dokey]

I think Jantar hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that this is not a traffic offense but a form of tax evasion. I believe the OP, that it was an oversight and not deliberate. The government is notoriously stern about this sort of thing.

Fines are tougher to take when you are on a lower than average wage. When $750 is over 2 weeks take-home pay, it does hurt and does require some serious adjustment to one's budget.

I don't know what the answer is, I just try to be real careful and get all my paperwork done in time. I think some scandinavian countries have a sliding scale of fines (for traffic crimes) which are based on the offenders income. Maybe this is more equitable?

[The Stranger]

Tank stop stalking DB on these kind of posts

btw I'm saying this cause it's sad to do that.

not a personal attack on you or anything though lol.

Hang on, why not suggest DB stop posting stupid shit instead?
Just because you've given up on trying to redeem DB doesn't mean Tank should.

[Tubbsy]

I believe the OP, that it was an oversight and not deliberate. The government is notoriously stern about this sort of thing.
Fines are tougher to take when you are on a lower than average wage. When $750 is over 2 weeks take-home pay, it does hurt and does require some serious adjustment to one's budget.


Yep, def an oversight, and def have had to rethink my budget. My final paper in a diploma I'm doing now has to go on hold etc.....BUT, and I stress this, even if it hadn't happened to me (which it did) I would still think it too much.

Car has a full WOF, no dangerous driving, no-one hurt. Basically boils down to, I forgot to give the govt their cut so I received the modern day equivalent of 6 of the best.

Onwards and upwards anyway.....just with that bitter aftertaste.

[Okey Dokey]

Onwards and upwards anyway.....just with that bitter aftertaste.

Yes, that's the spirit. You just have to take it on the chin, but at least you know there are some sympathetic souls here on kb. :hug:

[Tubbsy]

Yes, that's the spirit. You just have to take it on the chin, but at least you know there are some sympathetic souls here on kb. :hug:

Absolutely....:yes:

Now, better get onto the motorbike rego that expires this weekend!! :whistle:

[ynot slow]

I have some very close contacts in the linehaul trucking game. It's a minefield of k's, money and political claptrap combined with hard-arse drivers tryjng to make a living/get a job done and roads that can't support the traffic, be-it heavy or otherwise.

Biking in NZ is a unique and very dangerous experience, as is trucking. There's nothing worse than the two paths colliding. I feel for the truck drivers (who rank among my friends and family), they have to do mega hours and be sober in the off-hours to make the grade. You try it! I can't even get close and I admit it.

I've been stuck behind trucks on bikes and in cars in many conditions. For the most part (99.9%) I've had good feedback, got a wink of the indicator or whatever and it's all been good to overtake. Truckers are the last group on NZ roads I'd be targeting when it comes to road speed or even road manners.

Cops, however, need the bash.

10.4 that one,except when a passing lane approaching,2 40tonne rigs and you just know the second one will pass and just sit in front of the other while 5 cars are behind.

If only people could work out when the trucky puts indicator on you can pass him.Used to deal with shit loads of truckies at work delivering furniture and most were bloody good for road info,i.e if I was heading away and asking road conditions etc.

[Tank]

I care nothing for the pigs feelings. Fuck the lot of them. Get hard, get angry, and get even.


now if I saw that particular guy having a 1 on 5 with the local MM boys, I'd probably put my own safety first, and wait till the MMs were good and finished, before calling 111.


Good job too, kick the fuck outta the scumbag pig!

So this morning there is one cop shot dead - another 2 in hospital having being shot and a guy with a rifle on the loose.

Yeah - fuck the pigs - who have to go in there and risk their life to look after the rest of us. There are god knows how many of them doing that right now - knowing that there is a person there wanting to shoot them, yet they do it anyway. People that do this deserve more respect.

I bet if your family was a few houses down the road from all this I bet you would be saying something different right now.

[Tubbsy]

People that do this deserve more respect.

To set the record straight, I have the utmost respect for them and what they do and accord them every courtesy, what I'm saying is, I'd just like to see it returned. I simply don't like being treated out of hand as if I'm some scumbag who has intentionally gone out to commit crime.

[firefighter]

So many peadophiles see their treatment as unfair and dishonest, I guess they never got good policing either eh?

Even you have to admit that's a pretty rough deal the op got, if he's true to his word and a genuine guy, then that cop is a real dick. Sorry man but I think some get a bit holier than thou about things and have very little compassion.....
Iv'e never really (touch wood) had bad experiences personally but this fine is over the top. I mean the rego could easily have been let go as it's not like he would'nt have paid for the time on the road once he paid it, and it hardly makes his vehicle dangerous........


So this morning there is one cop shot dead - another 2 in hospital having being shot and a guy with a rifle on the loose.

Yeah - fuck the pigs - who have to go in there and risk their life to look after the rest of us. There are god knows how many of them doing that right now - knowing that there is a person there wanting to shoot them, yet they do it anyway. People that do this deserve more respect.

I bet if your family was a few houses down the road from all this I bet you would be saying something different right now.

Yeah dude, you know i'm a huge advocate and defender of the cops, but this is a totally different event.......the cop was a dick end of story. You would'nt show this kind of compassion for a parking warden i'm sure......

A bit like that Prick that waits at the bottom of the gentle slope coming into town from Ruapehu, if he was doing his job he'd be giving tickets to the people driving like maniacs through the icy twisties. Not waiting at the bottom where he will get people at 11 kms over, that's blatant revenue collection, not life saving. He's there every year I go up. I have half a mind to tell him to get up he fucken hill sometimes as I don't to be taken out by some fuckwitt brazenly speeding......

[Tank]

Yeah dude, you know i'm a huge advocate and defender of the cops, but this is a totally different event.......the cop was a dick end of story. You would'nt show this kind of compassion for a parking warden i'm sure......

Why was he been a dick? He gave a ticket when the OP (even tho he was a nice guy) was in the wrong. No Rego, no RUC - he just needs to take it on the chin (as OP has done). Heck - even the cop said to write in and see if they can do anything. Nothing about that cop being a dick.

And whilst it is a different event - the SAME cop would have had to drop everything and get involved if it was in his 'hood' - thats what they do, one minute giving tickets, another they are pulling bodies from a crashed car, another they are involved in potentially dangerous domestics, or in this case a drugs bust. Many of them can go wrong - but it seems that some people cant see past the traffic component of their job.

And as for a parking warden - why would I abuse them either? They are just people doing a job.



A bit like that PIG that waits at the bottom of the gentle slope coming into town from Ruapehu, if he was doing his job ....... He's there every year I go up. I have half a mind to tell him to get up he fucken hill sometimes as I don't to be taken out by some fuckwitt brazenly speeding......

I agree you have 1/2 a mind. and obviously you dont have the backbone to backup your strong convictions - else you would have gone up to him called him a pig and told him how you know so much better than he does.

[firefighter]

Why was he been a dick? He gave a ticket when the OP (even tho he was a nice guy) was in the wrong. No Rego, no RUC - he just needs to take it on the chin (as OP has done). Heck - even the cop said to write in and see if they can do anything. Nothing about that cop being a dick.

Because instead of choosing discretion and just a little compassion, like perhaps write a singular ticket and a warning for the other, he chose to issue both, which he obviously did'nt believe in himself.

He did'nt have to, yet he did, even failing to back himself, so, he's a dick, simple.

I have good friends who are rozzas, they actually agree with me on this.



And whilst it is a different event - the SAME cop would have had to drop everything and get involved if it was in his 'hood' - thats what they do, one minute giving tickets, another they are pulling bodies from a crashed car, another they are involved in potentially dangerous domestics, or in this case a drugs bust. Many of them can go wrong - but it seems that some people cant see past the traffic component of their job.

Yessss, that does'nt mean he's not a prick, yep, full credit where it's due, BUT he's a fucker in this instance. I don't want to get into semantics over it.


And as for a parking warden - why would I abuse them either? They are just people doing a job.

Who said anything about abuse? A parking warden gives tickets, nothing else, but they could get very nasty if they wanted, there's a difference between doing a job and plain screwing people over, kinda matched up with what I had before I thought, maybe not.


I agree you have 1/2 a mind.

Easy there cowboy. :oi-grr:

No need to get nasty, I have written with no heinous conviction or missplaced aggro toward you, merely voiced an opinion, which is shared by friends of mine within said community.....think about that.


and obviously you dont have the backbone to backup your strong convictions - else you would have gone up to him called him a pig and told him how you know so much better than he does.

Ahhh, no, I hate that word for a start, besides, I would'nt waste my time, like he'd listen to instructions from joe public to get up the hill and slow down the crazies, he's doing that already at the end of the dangerous bit......

But, to say he's doing his job well standing on the side of the road waving over cars on a gentle slope, where there is a sudden speed change.....well I would have to think not.

There are very dangerous icy roads where people drive like maniacs, just around the corner, where the crashes happen and lives are at risk.....And plenty of places for pulling over and doing some preventative policing.

Countless times iv'e seen people flying around those roads, passing, doing dumb boy-racer style shit, on the grit! Yet the guy is down the bottom, and pops up when there's been a head on, which people like me come and deal with. Nice work..........

[Tank]

I agree you have 1/2 a mind. and obviously you dont have the backbone to backup your strong convictions - else you would have gone up to him called him a pig and told him how you know so much better than he does.


Ahhh, no, I hate that word for a start, besides, I would'nt waste my time, like he'd listen to instructions from joe public to get up the hill and slow down the crazies, he's doing that already at the end of the dangerous bit......

You hate that word - PIG - but you were happy to use it in your post - then go back and edit it later to prick when someone comments on it.

If you are going to say it - at least have the balls to stand behind it - if you are happy to call them pigs on a forum - why not back it up and say it to their face?

[firefighter]

You hate that word - PIG - but you were happy to use it in your post - then go back and edit it later to prick when someone comments on it.

If you are going to say it - at least have the balls to stand behind it - if you are happy to call them pigs on a forum - why not back it up and say it to their face?

Say it to their face? Sure, cool, while i'm at it i'll also go up to some gang members and tell them that they're the dregs of society and a pointless waste of air....FFS

It's a word I never actually use, and I was'nt proud of putting it there, i'll admit not the smartest comment of mine, a word I chose to associate to one perticular person I dislike, not intended for the whole organisation branded by it, hence I deleted it.

[firefighter]

Tank, let it go, looks like some of you recieved some very easy bling as he's throwin it at me twice today for the same comment. :oi-grr:

Get a life dude. Your being a dick. :calm:

I've said my piece, in what I really feel is a reasonable manner, keep your little grudge to yourself, you made your point, let it go. :tugger:

[peasea]

So this morning there is one cop shot dead - another 2 in hospital having being shot and a guy with a rifle on the loose.

Yeah - fuck the pigs - who have to go in there and risk their life to look after the rest of us. There are god knows how many of them doing that right now - knowing that there is a person there wanting to shoot them, yet they do it anyway. People that do this deserve more respect.

I bet if your family was a few houses down the road from all this I bet you would be saying something different right now.

How much you wanna bet?