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Forest

6th May 2009, 20:54

They're not in NZ yet, but given that NZ follows the Victorian road safety model you might see them soon (or rather, not see them!).

http://www.theage.com.au/national/learner-rider-nabbed-speeding-at-153kmh-20090506-av4p.html

Learner rider nabbed speeding at 153km/h

A learner motorcylist has had his bike impounded after he was caught speeding at nearly twice the legal limit in Melbourne's outer east this morning.

The 19-year-old male from Bayswater was clocked travelling at 153 km/h in an 80 km/h speed zone in Wantirna.

The teen's learner permit also meant he was prohibited from riding the high-powered bike he was on.

Leading Senior Constable Mark Dewey was on an unmarked motorbike when he pulled over the rider outside the Knox Shopping Centre complex on Stud Road.

The teen's motorbike was later confiscated under anti-hoon laws.

"This is a bloke that shouldn't be on the road and we've been able to do something about it with the use of the unmarked solo (motorbike)," Leading Senior Constable Dewey said.

"The message to irresponsible drivers is you will never know who we are and where we are."

The teenager will be summonsed at a later date to appear at the Ringwood Magistrates Court.

peasea

6th May 2009, 20:57

Blackshear

6th May 2009, 21:04

Goddamn, he must've been going hard.
I wonder if it was really high powered... (In comparison)

MadDuck

6th May 2009, 21:07

Can see the headlines now

"Policeman on a GN250 pulls over a learner on an R1 on Aucklands Southern Motorway"

Rider says he is too tall for a 250...forgot to put a learner plate on...heading to university so has to speed on the motoway....whats the speed limit?...registration is for tax payers.

Dave Lobster

6th May 2009, 21:10

I wonder if it was as high powered as that moped that the cop caused a crash to catch a few months ago..

Highlander

6th May 2009, 21:11

Buy a used 4WD and run the dirtbag fuckers off the road.

Would that be the unmarked Police bike, the person breaking the road rules or all bikes just make sure you get them?

peasea

6th May 2009, 21:12

Would that be the unmarked Police bike, the person breaking the road rules or all bikes just make sure you get them?

In keeping with the rules of anyone behind the wheel of a 4WD, kill everyone!!

Highlander

6th May 2009, 21:15

In keeping with the rules of anyone behind the wheel of a 4WD, kill everyone!!

The old wriggly judder bar philosophy.

peasea

6th May 2009, 21:22

The old wriggly judder bar philosophy.

Not really, just the old "kill everone" philosophy. It comes from driving a Range Rover (or similar) in Remuerawarararara.

With tea and biscuits.

Cloggy

6th May 2009, 22:47

scumdog

6th May 2009, 23:14

Buy a used 4WD and run the dirtbag fuckers off the road.

You mean a used 4WD is quick enough to run a scoot off the road?:eek5:

peasea

6th May 2009, 23:20

You mean a used 4WD is quick enough to run a scoot off the road?:eek5:

Only yours, coz it'll never go over 100k.

Ya fuckin liar.

Toot Toot

7th May 2009, 08:28

Maha

7th May 2009, 08:38

I like the 'Anti Hoon Law'.....:clap:

Pretty much on a par with the 'Anti Troublesome Scallywags' we have here in NZ...:hug:

Bend-it

7th May 2009, 09:43

NSW HP have had them for ages. I was stopped by a black R1 in the national park one time. That was back in 2000. Saw him behind me for ages, thought he wanted to "race" cos he had that demeanour about him, but no he wanted to stop me..

So do they have lights and sirens as well? Otherwise how would they pull someone over?? Would it be entrapment if the undercover bike appeared to be egging you on in a "race"?

What are NZ's laws regarding entrapment anyway?

vgcspares

7th May 2009, 15:30

So what's faster than an R1 - obviously going to need whatever that is at some point ?

cc rider

7th May 2009, 15:39

................

yachtie10

7th May 2009, 15:51

I was riding along riverhead coatesville rd last sunday and thought I saw a red sports bike going in the other direction with a red (and maybe a blue) flashing light. only saw it for a second as I was concentrating on the next corner. I maybe wrong but has anyone seen this

McWild

7th May 2009, 15:54

They'll be easy to spot, because they'll be the only ones who aren't speeding on the Akaroa highway.
Drivers doing the speed limit in Christchurch are suspicious enough, but a motorcycle on the way to Akaroa? :whistle:

cc rider

7th May 2009, 16:45

They're everywhere here.
http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=20267

Hoon Blitz
http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=8123

Hoon Legislation
http://www.rurallaw.org.au/handbook/xml/ch07s03s03.php

At the WSBK
http://www.midnorthcoastpolicevehicles.fotopic.net/c1663421.html

Less is good
http://eastern.inmycommunity.com.au/news-and-views/local-news/Police-safety-fears/7523048/

Gremlin

7th May 2009, 17:28

They're everywhere here.

At the WSBK
http://www.midnorthcoastpolicevehicles.fotopic.net/c1663421.html
:drool: I think I just pee'd... I'm known as a bit of a gadget geek... but I WANT!!

All those toys :wacko:

cc rider

7th May 2009, 17:44

:drool: I think I just pee'd... I'm known as a bit of a gadget geek... but I WANT!!

All those toys :wacko:

While a drooling, weeing Gremlin may be interesting in a 'kinda wrong' way. You gotta get one of these. Every hoon should. :woohoo:
http://www.myradiostore.com/p/hoon-hardware-roady-2-holder-motorcycle.html

Gremlin

7th May 2009, 17:51

Nah, don't see any point in normal radio. I have CB Radio for comms to other bikes already.

Currently trying to find a good CB transceiver, and found one with police scanning, but don't believe its waterproof :crybaby:

Being a supermoto, I'm also running out of space to mount stuff :sweatdrop

cc rider

7th May 2009, 18:01

Anarkist

7th May 2009, 18:28

Being a supermoto, I'm also running out of space to mount stuff :sweatdrop

Can we see pics?

Gremlin

7th May 2009, 18:48

Can we see pics?
Yeah ok, here's probably one of the better pics, but out of date.

right is magnetic plate for radar, left is gps (plus music), to the left of that now, partially hidden behind the gps is the oxford display for the heated grips. Where you see the dial just to the right of the left grip is the old heated grips I had, thats now where the remote display for the radar sits.

Somehow, I'd like to sit a CB transceiver up there...

Under the seat is the puncture repair kit, toolkit, baehr communications box and a normal uhf cb handheld radio plus all the wiring. Its full.

edit: the button under the left switch block is the push to talk (PTT) button for the uhf radio...

BBzz

7th May 2009, 19:54

What are NZ's laws regarding entrapment anyway?

So what’s the deal about entrapment?
I just in the process of trying to find out if travelling @ 80kph in a 100 holding up cars who are two S scared to pass then picking up speed to catch a biker at 114kph is a common police tactic.
I think that's entrapment:angry2:

AllanB

7th May 2009, 20:12

Hmmm. I drive the car I ride the bike. I accept the mufti cars but I have a hint of hypocrite regarding a mufti bike.
Why?
I am concerned about the high potential for serious damage here to either rider and the innocent public. Picture it - fanging along - you see a bike in your mirrors - he tails you - you give it a bit more, he tails you. At this stage it depends on your personal mojo - me I'd button off when the speed gets up a bit (just within keep your license) - but I suspect plenty would give it more stick.
The GP starts, both parties have upped the pace, risks are being taken.

Yes it happens in cars but apparently we are something like 10 x more likely to hurt ourselves on bikes.......

On a lighter side, I can see Rodney in Parliament wanting the government to explain why Officer XYZ has spent $6000 on tyres in one year....;)

Dave Lobster

7th May 2009, 21:05

What are NZ's laws regarding entrapment anyway?

Irrelevent... once you're in court, who is going to believe you over a policeman?

Happybug

7th May 2009, 21:54

I'm sure I heard a fellow KB'r here in Wellington mention the Police already have them. He was on business in the underground garage at Police HQ in Victoria Street Wgtn and questioned a copper on the two motorcycles parked there. He was adviced these were unmarked Police vehicles.

I've been told that we have unmarked police bikes to. Insider info, but i don't know where they've been assigned.

If the cop is doing 160km on his bike to catch the speeder does he get a ticket too? and isn't it entrapment to ride on an unmarked bike and speed with a rider then say he was speeding? :argh:

BMWST?

7th May 2009, 22:11

how do they convince 4WD drivers to stop

FJRider

7th May 2009, 22:20

how do they convince 4WD drivers to stop

A warning shot through the back window ....:calm:

6ft5

7th May 2009, 22:25

Anyone any comments on the entrapment idea?

I am curious if this has any legs?

FJRider

7th May 2009, 22:41

Anyone any comments on the entrapment idea?

I am curious if this has any legs?

Any difference to a mufti commodore tailgaiting (or at least a few seconds behind) you for a while on a twisty piece of road... ???

NONE I would say...

pritch

8th May 2009, 08:10

right is magnetic plate for radar, left is gps (plus music), to the left of that now, partially hidden behind the gps is the oxford display for the heated grips. Where you see the dial just to the right of the left grip is the old heated grips I had, thats now where the remote display for the radar sits.

Somehow, I'd like to sit a CB transceiver up there...

Under the seat is the puncture repair kit, toolkit, baehr communications box and a normal uhf cb handheld radio plus all the wiring. Its full.

edit: the button under the left switch block is the push to talk (PTT) button for the uhf radio...

Shit oh dear! Do you tow a trailer full of batteries around or what? :whistle:

Gremlin

8th May 2009, 11:17

Shit oh dear! Do you tow a trailer full of batteries around or what? :whistle:
The shop hasn't said anything yet, and they have fitted the lot :whistle:

The uhf radio is currently the handheld type, so batteries (ie, pain in the arse) and doesn't draw on the system. The KTM has two auxiliary circuits, so grips and baehr into one, radar and gps into the other...

Find the ideal transceiver and I might have to start double checking loads :pinch:

BBzz

8th May 2009, 12:54

Question Wouldn't they have to be in fluro gear

Muppet

8th May 2009, 16:42

Wonder what sort of bike the :Police: were riding?

Muppet

8th May 2009, 16:43

They're not in NZ yet, but given that NZ follows the Victorian road safety model you might see them soon (or rather, not see them!).

http://www.theage.com.au/national/learner-rider-nabbed-speeding-at-153kmh-20090506-av4p.html

Sticking my neck out here but I can't see it ever happening. :Police:Dept is very aware bikes/bikers are vulnerable, last thing they'd want is too increase the risk by us not being entirely visible. Having been cut off a couple of times on a :Police:bike by the 'I didn't see you/where did you come from?/you must have been speeding' brigade, it's quite obvious that despite riding a giant fluorescent snail with red and blue lights and two WW2 search lights at the front people just don't look hard enough.

SPman

8th May 2009, 18:02

Entrapment is nothing new to NSW police. In '69 & '70 they used to drive around in Mini Cooper S s, complete with surf boards and fat wheels, drivers in surfie gear, entice gullible drivers into a race, then ticket them!

6ft5

9th May 2009, 09:19

ok so now i have to look out for cops in mini's, jesus, got enough to look for without the mufty crap

cc rider

10th May 2009, 02:34

Anyone any comments on the entrapment idea?

I am curious if this has any legs?

This is all I could find
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rn/1994-95/95rn47.pdf

and
http://74.6.146.244/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=new+zealand+speeding+entrapment+laws&fr=yhs-avg&partnerid=yhs-avg&u=law.anu.edu.au/StaffUploads/9-Bartlett.html&w=new+zealand+speeding+speed+speeds+entrapment+law s+law&d=FC5WMExISnix&icp=1&.intl=au

scumdog

10th May 2009, 09:02

Any difference to a mufti commodore tailgaiting (or at least a few seconds behind) you for a while on a twisty piece of road... ???

NONE I would say...

Some of 'em might be short sighted and we all know how clearly displayed a lot of motorbike number plates are..;)

nico

10th May 2009, 10:20

my source my be wrong but im under the impresion wellingtion has 2 undercover bikes 1 being a sv or tl yellow in colour any takers?

marty

10th May 2009, 11:06

crash harry

10th May 2009, 11:42

Can't say I'm a hell of a big fan of unmarked vehicles for traffic enforcement. I tend to think that an obviously displayed disco car slows people down much more effectively than the back-of-your-mind fear that somewhere out there one of those carse *might* have cops in it. I've been pulled a couple of times by mufti cars and I know it hasn't changed my driving one bit. But I sure as hell slow down when I see a HP car.

Mufti cars for other police work? Definitely. There are some parts of the job where they absolutely need to be subtle. Or even sneaky. And that's fine. Good. Necessary. I just don't believe that traffic enforcement is one of those.

So do I think that unmarked bikes will make much difference? Not really. They'll pull a few bikers who want to give them a race, but nothing much would change. And would the officers on the unmarked bikes not still have to be in uniform? Which would make them rather obvious anyway I would have thought. Just like you get used to looking for the little lights in the back of every Falcon/Commodore/Maxima that you pass these days, you'd look out for the guys on touring bikes in flouro yellow jackets.

scumdog

10th May 2009, 11:45

, you'd look out for the guys on touring bikes in flouro yellow jackets.

And there's bugger-all of THEM on the road eh!

FJRider

10th May 2009, 13:25

Some of 'em might be short sighted and we all know how clearly displayed a lot of motorbike number plates are..;)

I believe that is often a failing of the older members... :whistle:

dpex

10th May 2009, 20:01

So do they have lights and sirens as well? Otherwise how would they pull someone over?? Would it be entrapment if the undercover bike appeared to be egging you on in a "race"?

What are NZ's laws regarding entrapment anyway?

You make an interesting point, Bend-it. Do we have entrapment laws? I presume there must be something in the statutes.

You also make a very good point about 'mufti' bikes upping the game. I very often note fellow motorbyclists pootling along till they see my lights in their mirrors.

And despite my collected years which should have, by this time, prevailed some wisdom upon me, I freely admit to being guilty of much the same reaction. Mumble.

Some soul, some time ago, posted a vid about a British copper following some dude doing naughty things. At one point the copper actually asserts the rider has seen him. 'Both' were doing some pretty hefty speeds during the ten minutes of the vid.

I'm hard-pressed to believe that the copper 'should' have let the perp continue after the first few infractions, much less the 50-or-so he consequently committed.

Interestingly, the copper was often quite scathing of the rider's skills, but I couldn't see much wrong with his riding.

Hmmm. Interesting questions you've posited, Bend-it.

Any real lawyers of KB?

dpex

10th May 2009, 20:33

And there's bugger-all of THEM on the road eh!

See? Here's another interesting thing.....You really do come up with some interesting observations.

When I ride in jeans and my leather bomber-jacket, black helmet with smoked visor down, I wave and most bikers wave back.

But when I get togged in my fluro jacket and pants (my wet weather gear...which is totally warm and dry) plus silver helmet and clear visor, less than half wave back.

I have to admit I do take some pleasure from turning up at some country pub where, parked outside, are dozens of perfectly polished bikes, with their perfectly polished riders, all done up in expensive leathers, complete with fluttery trim....and me on old Team Zimmerframe. Me in my fluros and Team Z looking like a candidate for the worst-kept bike in New Zealand (it's all cosmetic...Her heart is very well looked after).

On such occasions I get almost utterly ignored, despite my warm and cheerful personality.

But when I turn up on TZ, all washed and polished, and me in full leathers, complete with obvious "Fuck! That's guy's gone down more than once" scuff-marks, I quickly become an attraction.

And then I sit around listening to these folk rattling on about how they did 'this' on 'that road' and I have to say I allow an internal smile.

These folk seem to be often weekend warriors with imaginations well beyond their skill-sets. But geez, they all look so cooooool.

Like the Mongrel Mod dude I closed in on just before the first 35K corner going South from Taupo to Turangi. There he was, looking all mean and everything, tooled up on his ape-hangered Fat-Boy. Giggle.

And yup. He took up the challenge. I must say, that after he grazed the rock outcrop and stayed in the saddle was a small salute to his ability or luck. But it fucked his head, eh?

On the next 'We recommend 45Ks' corner, I drifted around him and waved as I passed. I watched him in my mirror as he pulled over to make/take a very important cell-phone call.

I 'almost' turned back to invite him to do a track-day; or maybe even race a bit.

BTW: I was in my full Fluros at the time. Nothing worse than an apparent geek fucking up the head of a cool-dude, eh?