MotoTT Track 5, new configuration

[kiwifruit]

We're pleased to announce a new track layout, "MotoTT Track 5"!

The new layout is the brain child of MotoTT director Kevin Ure and adds an exciting new twist to the original track layout. We have all done track 1 so often now that the new chicane freshens up the track day experience. It will challenge the experienced riders skills and smaller bikes will enjoy the new turns. The MotoTT team have been testing the new configuration and will post an on board bike video before the 20th June.

Track 5 adds five more corners to the previous layout. The original tight Track 4 chicane is used after T8. Then back onto a slightly shorter old pit lane straight. Then into the southern sweeper as normal, onto the back straight then into the new MotoTT chicane. This chicane uses the T1 of Track 3 as the entry then a slightly sharper right into an opening left and back onto the main straight.

MotoTT Track 5 will be used at our trackday on the 20th of June. We hope you enjoy this new challenge!

[saul]

Thats girl bike city:2thumbsup

[Matt Bleck]

:woohoo: :rockon: :wari: :2thumbsup

[discotex]

Gonna make things interesting that's for sure. I've never ridden anything other than track 1.

Not so good if you rely on cc to get you past people on the straights :msn-wink:

[R6_kid]

Beauty, that chicane evened up the playing field for the 600's riding in the fast group with 1000cc throttle jockies!

Now I just need to finance a super sweet 600 sportsbike and get back to the track!

[Quasievil]

OOOO Goodie, those pesky sportsbikes have little advantage now hehehehehehe

[slowpoke]

Beauty, that chicane evened up the playing field for the 600's riding in the fast group with 1000cc throttle jockies!

Now I just need to finance a super sweet 600 sportsbike and get back to the track!

Duuuuuude, 3/4's of the full track is already specifically designed for girls bikes, oops I mean tiddlers, aaargh, I mean 600's/motards, and you want more?

That configuration has removed the two best/ballsy-est corners on the track: T8 L/H sweeper and the R/H-er following it.

It's turned it into a castrated, politically correct, slow corners only, speed limited go kart track just like the short circuit is, each to their own but I won't be signing up for that configuration, I'd prefer to to use more than 2 gears.

[erik]

:gob: :drool: :banana: :D

Looking forward to it!

[sinfull]

Duuuuuude, 3/4's of the full track is already specifically designed for girls bikes, oops I mean tiddlers, aaargh, I mean 600's/motards, and you want more?

That configuration has removed the two best/ballsy-est corners on the track: T8 L/H sweeper and the R/H-er following it.

It's turned it into a castrated, politically correct, slow corners only, speed limited go kart track just like the short circuit is, each to their own but I won't be signing up for that configuration, I'd prefer to to use more than 2 gears.
Spoken like a true ummmmmm harley rider lol
That back straight has been a thorn in my side for 12 months so i cant say i agree with ya mate But then i am looking at buying a girls bike huh ?

[Tony.OK]

Geez Spud...............ya gotta go faster man, ya should be getting into 3rd on that layout:innocent:

[sosman]

That configuration has removed the two best/ballsy-est corners on the track: T8 L/H sweeper and the R/H-er following it.

Yep what he said

[sosman]

[quote] slowpoke That configuration has removed the two best/ballsy-est corners on the track: T8 L/H sweeper and the R/H-er following it.

Yep what he said
oops double up he he

[Mort]

That configuration has removed the two best/ballsy-est corners on the track: T8 L/H sweeper and the R/H-er following it.

Totally agree there...this is not an improvement

[slowpoke]

Geez Spud...............ya gotta go faster man, ya should be getting into 3rd on that layout:innocent:

Cheeky bugger, just 'cos I'm not using that ditch digging stunt sprocket you do, haha.

......and what's this "3rd" business you're talkin' about anyway? My bike's only got 2 speed's, slow and slower......


Spoken like a true ummmmmm harley rider lol
That back straight has been a thorn in my side for 12 months so i cant say i agree with ya mate But then i am looking at buying a girls bike huh ?

Waddaya mean, you've got 1050cc's worth of British Clydesdales to heave you down that straight, although admittedly your bike has similar aerodynamics.

Don't worry though Bill, you're one of the few blokes who can pull off a 600/675. Just like James Bond can order a martini, Buck Shelford can shave his legs, and Sean Connery can wear a skirt (kilt) and not look effeminate, you could actually get away with it when most others just look like.....like....well, just try ordering a martini in front of your mates and you'll know what I mean.

[Kickaha]

Duuuuuude, 3/4's of the full track is already specifically designed for girls bikes, oops I mean tiddlers, aaargh, I mean 600's/motards, and you want more?

That configuration has removed the two best/ballsy-est corners on the track: T8 L/H sweeper and the R/H-er following it.

It's turned it into a castrated, politically correct, slow corners only, speed limited go kart track just like the short circuit is, each to their own but I won't be signing up for that configuration, I'd prefer to to use more than 2 gears.




Yep what he said

Well now that you just can't rely on your HP to get away from the girls bikes, oops I mean tiddlers you might have to learn to ride :yes:

[ajturbo]

i think this is a good CHANGE... give it a go and see how YOU find it...

then again i ride a girls bike.. so what would i know?....lol

[Tony.OK]

I like the old track hairpin so thats all good, not sure about the straight being cut in half as its really the only place for ya too stretch yer bikes legs abit, and have a nap too:yes:

This is a trackday after all though.........not a test day, so who cares if a 600 beats ya?

Alan have ya given any thought to what may happen if someone overcooks the new chicane and goes straight through? Would hate to see someone shoot out from the runoff into someone exiting the chicane.
Just a thought

[Patch]

I heard a rumour T9 & T10 had been discontinued for a good reason . . . .

[rachprice]

That configuration has removed the two best/ballsy-est corners on the track: T8 L/H sweeper and the R/H-er following it.



I fucking LOVE that corner!

Coming out of the left before it, accelerating out, cranked over....your head is saying 'slow down! slow down!' but there is no need to (well not on my little bike anyway) and its the most satisfying feeling in the world

[kiwifruit]

Alan have ya given any thought to what may happen if someone overcooks the new chicane and goes straight through? Would hate to see someone shoot out from the runoff into someone exiting the chicane.
Just a thought

Yes, lots of thought, discussion and testing. :)

[Quasievil]

Bikers bitching about corners , who would have thought lol

[Tony.OK]

Yes, lots of thought, discussion and testing. :)

Good on ya's....................thought ya would've.

Hope it goes well.................if I'm lucky I might have a bike by then to come have a wee play on :yes:

[Kornholio]

Dont mind the kink down the back straight but the old hairpin coming off T8 is crap.... First no wheelies, now this :/

[Morcs]

So just when you are full on the power out of turn 8, you have to stand it up and go hard on the brakes to take the new turn 9 :(

[boomer]

Is this an english site..??!


Whining priks..!



my 990 will kick all ya asses.. short or long

[kiwifruit]

Bikers bitching about corners , who would have thought lol
There will always be some that think its a terrible idea, ya can't please everyone! We are trying to please the majority (of the target market), adding a new twist to the track while minimising the potential hazards associated with high speed differentials.

[Patch]

my 990 will kick all ya asses..
:laugh:

:laugh:

[boomer]

:laugh:

:laugh:

my 599cc's kicked your ass, so what chance do you have against another 391cc's..??

[Quasievil]

There will always be some that think its a terrible idea, ya can't please everyone! We are trying to please the majority (of the target market), adding a new twist to the track while minimising the potential hazards associated with high speed differentials.


Excellent idea and congrats on using ya noggins and putting safety first.

To the nay sayers its a trackday get it trackday not a race day

[Mort]

Is this the only track configuration MotoTT intend to run ? Do they intend to run the old track format on some days ?

[Sue VFR]

Is this the only track configuration MotoTT intend to run ? Do they intend to run the old track format on some days ?

:sunny:
At this stage the new track configuration is booked for 20th June. We intend to add it to our choices of tracks and Track One remains one of our choices. We hope that this layout will be thoroughly enjoyed by all as much as we have enjoyed putting it together and testing it.
(It's great to have choices.)
Thanks Sue

[TONO]

:sunny:
At this stage the new track configuration is booked for 20th June. Thanks Sue

I seem to remember this configuration a way back when Frosty was running them:gob: just after they first extended the track and you still entered the site down by the gliding club? so its not new.:whocares: I would have thought that more corners would suit the better riders:blink: as thats where they show the average rider up, and you have still got the back straight to blow the cobwebs out if you wish.:innocent:

[kiwifruit]

I seem to remember this configuration a way back when Frosty was running them:gob: just after they first extended the track and you still entered the site down by the gliding club? so its not new.:whocares: I would have thought that more corners would suit the better riders:blink: as thats where they show the average rider up, and you have still got the back straight to blow the cobwebs out if you wish.:innocent:

Look at the map again Tony :)
You're right, the chicane near the gliding club isn't new.... but the chicane on the back straight is.

<img src="http://www.motott.co.nz/MotoTT-Track-5.gif">

[Kornholio]

Is this an english site..??!


Whining priks..!



my 990 will kick all ya asses.. short or long


Look at the map again Tony :)
You're right, the chicane near the gliding club isn't new.... but the chicane on the back straight is.


I wanna see it more like this...maybe for July track day????

[enigma51]

Time to buy a new stead


thats going to be a fun

[Crazy Steve]

Time to buy a new stead


thats going to be a fun

Are you sure ?

Crazy Steve.

[Gubb]

Keen.

I'll still get passed by Allan on his Bicycle though.

[DEATH_INC.]

That looks the ducks nuts! That right/left from the new to old track ( T9/T10-Patches chicane :) ) is farkin cool, real technical and tricky to get through fast. I'm all keen for the new chicane on the back straight too, nothing is more frustrating than fighting past a slow assed thou round the rest of the track only to have 'em blow past again on that damn straight....should be cool :)

[FROSTY]

Hey folks. I personally dont like the proposed changes
not saying Im not riding it just I dont like the changes.
the turn onto the old hairpin isnt a new one--it used to be the only configeration before T9 was put in.Trouble is for me it stuffs up my favorite corner because you turn in 2/3 of the way down T8 -it was also the bit of the track that most guys bitched about
That and to be honest T9 still has me head F$#$$d so I wanna go round it till I figure it out.
It used to be you were turning off of T8 over some chopped up tarmac.
Im happy to stand corrected here too but also wont doing the back straight chicane mean transitioning through the business end of some pretty serious armco? --as in stuff up the T16 entry and you're end on to the armco.
Mind you some of my negative probably comes from sliding on my ass down T1 of the old track (t14)when they took the camber off it

[jrandom]

Mean maori mean! Good call.

I hope to be there on 20 June.

Someone should point out to Mort et al that there is a motorsport dedicated to riding in a straight line, and that regular meetings for it are held at Meremere.

[Mort]

If you look what they've taken out of the track (two of the best faster turns and a fast straight all with their own challenges) and think about whats been added (more tight 1st and 2nd gear corners which the circuit has enough of.) I'd have to ride it (and I will) but I dont like the look of it... The T1 circuit had a good mix of fast and slow/tight sections. T5 is slower/tighter overall. That might be good for small bikes but for bigger bikes I bet you could do new that circuit using one gear less....I just think it will be less satisfying to ride. A circuit needs good fast sections IMO.

Anyway - we'll see. I just hope some choice is given.

[chrispy121]

the whole point if the main straight for me was to get down there over 200kms with out doing it on the road sort of takes some of the fun out of it still will give it a blast though. means I might have to do the -1 +2 sproket change I was planning for the gixxer.

[White trash]

I heard a rumour T9 & T10 had been discontinued for a good reason . . . .
You fucken would say that.

How is the head by the way?

[Sue VFR]

Hey folks. I personally dont like the proposed changes
not saying Im not riding it just I dont like the changes.
the turn onto the old hairpin isnt a new one--it used to be the only configeration before T9 was put in.Trouble is for me it stuffs up my favorite corner because you turn in 2/3 of the way down T8 -it was also the bit of the track that most guys bitched about
That and to be honest T9 still has me head F$#$$d so I wanna go round it till I figure it out.
It used to be you were turning off of T8 over some chopped up tarmac.
Im happy to stand corrected here too but also wont doing the back straight chicane mean transitioning through the business end of some pretty serious armco? --as in stuff up the T16 entry and you're end on to the armco.
Mind you some of my negative probably comes from sliding on my ass down T1 of the old track (t14)when they took the camber off it


Hi Frosty

Thank you for your PM.
Re: your concerns.
We have done extensive testing using riders of various levels and gained approval for the new layout from Motorcycling New Zealand through the Taupo Motorsport Park.

[Shaun Harris]

Hi Sue, I Hope to get along to a few of Moto TT events, after I get back from the Isle of man TT races.

[Cr1MiNaL]

THis should be mean I like the kink down the back straight as the thous can't escape now :) neeee a ahah aha haha (wicked laugh). Although T8 was my favourite sweeper and I'll have to try make time on other bikes everywhere else now, new challenges and definately suited to the 600'ds. Should be gr8 fun!

[FROSTY]

Hi Frosty

Thank you for your PM.
Re: your concerns.
We have done extensive testing using riders of various levels and gained approval for the new layout from Motorcycling New Zealand through the Taupo Motorsport Park.
Hey cool Nannas Sue. Like I said 1 safety concern based on memory
The other bit is me thinking of me and me alone so dont worry about that

[Patch]

my 599cc's kicked your ass, so what chance do you have against another 391cc's..??
so pink slips is it??



You fucken would say that.

How is the head by the way?
can't / don't remember . . . :blank:

:doctor: who are you?? :doctor:

on the road to recovery, but I think I'm lost, can't remember the directions :wacko: where the fuck are my pills . . .

[TONO]

Look at the map again Tony :)
You're right, the chicane near the gliding club isn't new.... but the chicane on the back straight is.

<img src="http://www.motott.co.nz/MotoTT-Track-5.gif">


OK, I'm old and blind:doctor:.....still looks good to me:drool:

[boomer]

so pink slips is it??




I'll race u for the keys.. r u sure u wanna do that tho?

[Quasievil]

THis should be mean I like the kink down the back straight as the thous can't escape now :) neeee a ahah aha haha (wicked laugh). Although T8 was my favourite sweeper and I'll have to try make time on other bikes everywhere else now, new challenges and definately suited to the 600'ds. Should be gr8 fun!


Yarp and the Motards will be able to whip a few more sportsbikes to hehehehehe

[boomer]

THis should be mean I like the kink down the back straight as the thous can't escape now :) neeee a ahah aha haha (wicked laugh). Although T8 was my favourite sweeper and I'll have to try make time on other bikes everywhere else now, new challenges and definately suited to the 600'ds. Should be gr8 fun!


Yarp and the Motards will be able to whip a few more sportsbikes to hehehehehe

:lol: you two are on drugs?!

[Quasievil]

:lol: you two are on drugs?!

No sitting quietly confident in my comments my little trackdayer bunny mates

[Sue VFR]

Hi Sue, I Hope to get along to a few of Moto TT events, after I get back from the Isle of man TT races.


Good luck on your travels Shaun. Have a wonderful time and I wish I was going with you.
Love Sue

[Cr1MiNaL]

:lol: you two are on drugs?!

I'd race you for the keys but I'd rather own a Honda :doctor:

[Squid69]

We're pleased to announce a new track layout, "MotoTT Track 5"!

The new layout is the brain child of MotoTT director Kevin Ure and adds an exciting new twist to the original track layout. We have all done track 1 so often now that the new chicane freshens up the track day experience. It will challenge the experienced riders skills and smaller bikes will enjoy the new turns. The MotoTT team have been testing the new configuration and will post an on board bike video before the 20th June.

Track 5 adds five more corners to the previous layout. The original tight Track 4 chicane is used after T8. Then back onto a slightly shorter old pit lane straight. Then into the southern sweeper as normal, onto the back straight then into the new MotoTT chicane. This chicane uses the T1 of Track 3 as the entry then a slightly sharper right into an opening left and back onto the main straight.

MotoTT Track 5 will be used at our trackday on the 20th of June. We hope you enjoy this new challenge!

Yas should have done this when i had my 400!

Guess the front straight becomes MINGA CENTRAL now that the back straight is not the longest one anymore...:second:

[Squid69]

I'll race u for the keys.. r u sure u wanna do that tho?

you talk shit.
ill race you for keys, what gararge are you in?

[boomer]

I'd race you for the keys but I'd rather own a Honda :doctor:

u couldnt catch a cold sunshine.. we set of 30 minutes behind u on 22 and still passed u before u got to teh BP..



you talk shit.
ill race you for keys, what gararge are you in?

Who the fcuk are you! Sit down and be quiet :stupid:

[Cr1MiNaL]

u couldnt catch a cold sunshine.. we set of 30 minutes behind u on 22 and still passed u before u got to teh BP..


Yea yeah that's coz I'm not an anti-social pommie cunt.

[boomer]

Yea yeah that's coz I'm not an anti-social pommie cunt.


What you on about, you told us we couldnt ride with you cos we were too loose....


and that was riding with the_dover and hes slow...!!!

[kiwifruit]

So how bout that new track configuration hey! :sunny: :sunny:

Looking forward to further testing on tuesday afternoon, will post up an onboard video tuesday evening all going well.

[Sidewinder]

So how bout that new track configuration hey! :sunny: :sunny:

Looking forward to further testing on tuesday afternoon, will post up an onboard video tuesday evening all going well.

yup and the bike shall be pimping i hope. disging is done so just gota get em printed!

[emaN]

So how bout that new track configuration hey! :sunny: :sunny:
seeing as you ;'aksed' :)

Personally, I think it's removed two of the best parts of the track: the "A1 corner" is quick & knee down which is awesome fun, and the only place I can go that quick safely thru' a bend nicely cranked over!
Likewise, the back straight is the only place I can safely wind it back to the stop & open 'er up.

Fast corners & top speed, mixed in with a fun in-field is an ideal track; taking away the 'quicker' parts makes it one big in-field.

Can I suggest an "either/or" approach?
If using the 'flip-flop', leave the back straight intact.
If using the back straight 'bends', leave the A1 turn as is.

Wish I could be there Tues arvo to try it out and perhaps be proven wrong :P

[kiwifruit]

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[Quasievil]

Wicked awesome and cool as mate.
More Corners means more fun (unless youre a bitching straight line rider lol)

[Tony.OK]

Wicked awesome and cool as mate.
More Corners means more fun (unless youre a bitching straight line rider lol)

You're a shit stirrer aint ya:bleh:

Looks good for a laugh though:niceone:.................only concern is those cones, some numpty with his foot out on a motard( yes I am only kidding, it could even be Quasi ) might kick one up at the rider behind by mistake, or worse it could go under the front wheel while cornering.
Any chance of getting a painted line put down and having the cones well inside that?

[Matt Bleck]

You're a shit stirrer aint ya:bleh:

Looks good for a laugh though:niceone:.................only concern is those cones, some numpty with his foot out on a motard( yes I am only kidding, it could even be Quasi ) might kick one up at the rider behind by mistake, or worse it could go under the front wheel while cornering.
Any chance of getting a painted line put down and having the cones well inside that?
Yip it definatley needs a line painted, I hit the cones a couple of times with my shoulder......

[Quasievil]

You're a shit stirrer aint ya:bleh:

Looks good for a laugh though:niceone:.................only concern is those cones, some numpty with his foot out on a motard( yes I am only kidding, it could even be Quasi ) might kick one up at the rider behind by mistake, or worse it could go under the front wheel while cornering.
Any chance of getting a painted line put down and having the cones well inside that?

Foot would be out the otherside bro, and Motards are far to considerate to do such a thing, we only have love and respect for sportsbike riders :bleh:

[Tony.OK]

Foot would be out the otherside bro, and Motards are far to considerate to do such a thing, we only have love and respect for sportsbike riders :bleh:

Aye?...............ya put yer foot out on the outside of a bend do ya?
hey I'm no expert but i think I've just solved your problem of being so slow:doh:

[emaN]

Who's pussying through Turn 2, then? :blip:

Hmm, will give it a go should I "end up" at a trackday with this config, but don't think I'll actively go bookin' for it.

Like I said, in it's 'current form' Taupo's got a barrell-of-laughs infield, a quick right-hander & a quick straight. Can't see anything wrong with that.

I guess those criticising those of us who like a combination of twisties and straight line speed would be bored to death at the Isle of Man then, huh? Somehow I don't think so. ;)

[Matt Bleck]

Who's pussying through Turn 2, then? :blip:

Hmm, will give it a go should I "end up" at a trackday with this config, but don't think I'll actively go bookin' for it.

Like I said, in it's 'current form' Taupo's got a barrell-of-laughs infield, a quick right-hander & a quick straight. Can't see anything wrong with that.

I guess those criticising those of us who like a combination of twisties and straight line speed would be bored to death at the Isle of Man then, huh? Somehow I don't think so. ;)
Actually this confiration is to try and stop the huge speed difference between say a Motard that tops out at say 160K's and a 1000cc sports bike that hits around the 250k mark at the end of the back straight.

[kiwifruit]

Who's pussying through Turn 2, then? :blip:


We all were. Video is taken from Uncle's gsxr1000k3



Like I said, in it's 'current form' Taupo's got a barrell-of-laughs infield, a quick right-hander & a quick straight. Can't see anything wrong with that.
Track 1 is great, i agree. We're trying to limit the high speed differences down the main straight.

[sinfull]

Actually this confiration is to try and stop the huge speed difference between say a Motard that tops out at say 160K's and a 1000cc sports bike that hits around the 250k mark at the end of the back straight. Deffinately say it's done that lol
Was that you with the camera on board ? If so ya wanna get off them white lines or they gonna get ya haha saw a couple of front twitches there !

My only concern, is the lead up to a race round at Taupo and i know i have a lot of work to do on the T8 T9 (old config) combination !
I know a motott aint spose to be practice for a race round, but it IS !

[Matt Bleck]

Deffinately say it's done that lol
Was that you with the camera on board ? If so ya wanna get off them white lines or they gonna get ya haha saw a couple of front twitches there !

My only concern, is the lead up to a race round at Taupo and i know i have a lot of work to do on the T8 T9 (old config) combination !
I know a motott aint spose to be practice for a race round, but it IS !
yeah it was me.

I wasn't running over the white lines, the camera was on top of my helmet so it makes it look that way.

It was very cold and very slippery, and.............

[Quasievil]

We all were. Video is taken from Uncle's gsxr1000k3


Track 1 is great, i agree. We're trying to limit the high speed differences down the main straight.


Do we have this track on Friday dude ?

[kiwifruit]

Do we have this track on Friday dude ?

No. There is more preparation to do and we couldn't do this track after not advertising... people booked and paid for a trackday, advertised as track 1, might not like that
:jerry:

We'll be using it on the 20th of June.

[sinfull]

We'll be using it on the 20th of June.
Looking forward to the change ! But could ya have a word to the weather gods for friday mate ? Looking dodgy, as to whether we'll even get through the desert fri morn !
If my bloody rear tyre had arrived today like it was spose to, i might have thought about a detour through napier morra (and a stop at the dyno in napier while im at it)

[Goblin]

Ooooh I'm lovin those flip flops again already! Only problem I can see from the vid is the braking point for the first chicane on the back straight looks to be right on that big bump.:eek:

[Sidewinder]

Ooooh I'm lovin those flip flops again already! Only problem I can see from the vid is the braking point for the first chicane on the back straight looks to be right on that big bump.:eek:

weres the vid?

[Xile]

owww...i like it!!!
Cutting the back straights such an awesome idea :D Wish i would still be there and not been passed by bigger bikes than the CB on that f... straight!
Can't wait to see the pics from the 20th ;)

[FROSTY]

Yip it definatley needs a line painted, I hit the cones a couple of times with my shoulder......
YOU HAVE got TO BE kidding dude. another white line just aint a coolness filled thing. white paint equals slippery.

[Sidewinder]

yOU HAVE got TO BE kidding dude. another white line just aint a collness filled thing.

harden up theres sweet as to go over just like them patches are! only slipry ones are coming on to front straight were my front lets go now and then!

[Tony.OK]

yOU HAVE got TO BE kidding dude. another white line just aint a collness filled thing.

Once more in english please sir?

[Goblin]

weres the vid?post number 64.

[Sidewinder]

post number 64.

i found it lol! looks fun! more wheelies tho! you gona ride this time or wave the yellow flag every season because koonts out ride them selfs by going slow?

[Goblin]

Looks more fun than a fun thing! Will ride if Fruity will let me. :niceone: and if I have any rubber left.

[Sidewinder]

Looks more fun than a fun thing! Will ride if Fruity will let me. :niceone: and if I have any rubber left.

i got a full box of rubbers but wana save them for when i come back to your place.....

[emaN]

Track 1 is great, i agree. We're trying to limit the high speed differences down the main straight.
I'm gonna be "devil's advocate" here and ask: why?

A motard rider goes and spends a wallop of cash on a bike he/she knows is limited in the high speed stakes, but this rider is prepared to sacrifice the top end thrills for the mid-range punch & fun they offer in the twisties. Fair enough. If I had the cash I'd have one too. Surely they also realise their top speed deficit will be most evident along a back straight.

I, on the other hand, choose twisty fun and high speed, I spend my wallop of cash on the bestest bike ever made, find a track to have my fun, and it gets turned into a big infield. It seems the quick bikes/riders are being penalised.

I know there are other trackday outfits, (but I personally enjoy the camaraderie at the motoTT days), and I know there are going to be two configurations motoTT will be offering; I just want to make sure motoTT know why a few of us sportsbike riders are a bit puzzled.

[Mort]

I just want to make sure motoTT know why a few of us sportsbike riders are a bit puzzled.

Totally agree there... It may be more fun for some (not as if it they weren't having fun already) but it makes the event potentially worse for others. I happen to like the high speed corners and the straights on T1... Hopefully a choice will continue to be given.

On another point - KiwiFruit - nice vid and nice ride - thanks. What gears are you using there ? Is that bike on standard gearing ? Also, are the entry and exits of the new sections smooth or bumpy ?

[discotex]

That looks FUCKING AWESOME :eek:

I was worried about losing T8 as that's my thrill corner. But watching the vid it looks like Track 5 makes a really cool technical entry for the new T9.

Sure you lose the chance to hit a new top speed and your brakes don't get to cool down but I think on balance it adds more than it takes away if it's alternated with Track 1.

My only observation would be that I suspect there will be more passing on the inside into T9 because you now don't have as long to be sure you can make an outside pass stick around 8 before you brake for 9.

I know it shouldn't really be worse than T6/7 but I'm used to using T8 to make a lot of passes so will have to work hard to remember.

[kiwifruit]

I'm gonna ask: why?


To try and keep things safer. To try and limit the high speed differences on the main straight.
Why not?! I personally really like it..... especially on a big bike.... but i guess i must like some things you don't like as much hey.
If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9tHkbEtJkI)



A motard rider goes and spends a wallop of cash on a bike he/she knows is limited in the high speed stakes, but this rider is prepared to sacrifice the top end thrills for the mid-range punch & fun they offer in the twisties. Fair enough. If I had the cash I'd have one too. Surely they also realise their top speed deficit will be most evident along a back straight.

I, on the other hand, choose twisty fun and high speed, I spend my wallop of cash on the bestest bike ever made, find a track to have my fun, and it gets turned into a big infield. It seems the quick bikes/riders are being penalised.

Its not just motards. The potential speed difference, at the end of the main straight, between a rider on his or her cbr400 and the rider upon a zx14, in the same group, is high.

Don't worry yourself too much! We'll still be offering the track 1 configuration as well as the new track 5.
:laugh:



On another point - KiwiFruit - nice vid and nice ride - thanks. What gears are you using there ? Is that bike on standard gearing ? Also, are the entry and exits of the new sections smooth or bumpy ?

Thats not me, i'm on the 89 FZR600 holding everyone up :D
Matt Bleck is riding the k3, not sure about the gearing. He doesn't normally go that slow.... it was very slippery out there that day.

The entry to the t9 chicane is smooth. The exit of t11 has a nice drop off and bump. The entry to t14 is smooth, slight rise at the start of t15 and a small drop / bump on the apex of t16.

[saul]

Good job paul :Punk:

That looks pretty good to me will keep the heart rate up thats for sure:laugh:

[DMNTD]

...I just want to make sure motoTT know why a few of us sportsbike riders are a bit puzzled.

Yep same...puzzled as to why you lot (MotoTT) hadn't done it earlier :shifty:

[Quasievil]

i got a full box of rubbers but wana save them for when i come back to your place.....

Oi show some respect ya little shit or yall get a kick up the Arse from Uncle Quasi !!

[emaN]

To try and keep things safer. To try and limit the high speed differences on the main straight.
Why not?! I personally really like it..... especially on a big bike.... but i guess i must like some things you don't like as much hey.
If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9tHkbEtJkI).
cheers for the reply Fruity


Yep same...puzzled as to why you lot (MotoTT) hadn't done it earlier :shifty:
not afraid of quick bends & high speeds on the R1, are we? :bleh:


Have fun you lot, hope that sun comes out & warms the place/pace up for yas!

[SlickD]

More corners awsome

[Cr1MiNaL]

I will own you noobs !!

[Quasievil]

I will own you noobs !!

Oh Bro, stay in the cool crew dont start acting like those other fellas ffs

[Cr1MiNaL]

Oh Bro, stay in the cool crew dont start acting like those other fellas ffs

Ok OK OK :no: :(

[J-rod]

Lets face it, Taupo is quite a slow track on a good day, this doesn't help and i've seen plenty of 600's havin a good go at the 1000's on the back straight..... seeing as it looks as if you're trying to cut out the speed why don't you go the whole hog and put a speed limit on it the track....

[Quasievil]

seeing as it looks as if you're trying to cut out the speed why don't you go the whole hog and put a speed limit on it the track....

Well thats a stupid remark

[J-rod]

Well thats what it feels like... the best part about the track is that it actually has some high speed sections. As a rider I want to experience all of the potential of my bike, meaning 220+ on a straight, hard braking and of course low hard cornering. Taupo has plenty of the latter in fact it could be said to be the best on offer, but very little of the former.
Is there not another method that you can split the capacity inequality? medium group 600+, medium group 599 -, standard group 1 and 4.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Well thats what it feels like... the best part about the track is that it actually has some high speed sections. As a rider I want to experience all of the potential of my bike, meaning 220+ on a straight, hard braking and of course low hard cornering. Taupo has plenty of the latter in fact it could be said to be the best on offer, but very little of the former.
Is there not another method that you can split the capacity inequality? medium group 600+, medium group 599 -, standard group 1 and 4.

I will dominate your 1000 !
buuahahahaha

:confused:

[Cheshire Cat]

Lets face it, Taupo is quite a slow track on a good day, this doesn't help and i've seen plenty of 600's havin a good go at the 1000's on the back straight..... seeing as it looks as if you're trying to cut out the speed why don't you go the whole hog and put a speed limit on it the track....

:no::tugger:

[Cheshire Cat]

Well thats what it feels like... the best part about the track is that it actually has some high speed sections. As a rider I want to experience all of the potential of my bike, meaning 220+ on a straight, hard braking and of course low hard cornering. Taupo has plenty of the latter in fact it could be said to be the best on offer, but very little of the former.
Is there not another method that you can split the capacity inequality? medium group 600+, medium group 599 -, standard group 1 and 4.

I thought the groups were about experiance and not how big your bike is?

[Cr1MiNaL]

I thought the groups were about experiance and not how big your bike is?

It's all about size... or have you not heard?? :laugh:

[jrandom]

Lets face it, Taupo is quite a slow track on a good day

Seriously, why don't all you moaners just fuck off to http://framautolitedragway.co.nz/?

[Sidewinder]

I will dominate your 1000 !
buuahahahaha

:confused:

bro you cant even own this 600, better beat the 600's before you try the 1000

[Cr1MiNaL]

bro you cant even own this 600, better beat the 600's before you try the 1000


very funny.<_<

[Sidewinder]

very funny.<_<

take the inside line and u will go faster bro, when you coming to get on the piss again?

[Cr1MiNaL]

take the inside line and u will go faster bro, when you coming to get on the piss again?

Be down again on June 20 to try the new track... MFSC going?

[sinfull]

Well thats what it feels like... the best part about the track is that it actually has some high speed sections. As a rider I want to experience all of the potential of my bike, meaning 220+ on a straight, hard braking and of course low hard cornering. Taupo has plenty of the latter in fact it could be said to be the best on offer, but very little of the former.
Is there not another method that you can split the capacity inequality? medium group 600+, medium group 599 -, standard group 1 and 4.
You just keep your high speeds where they belong aye lol 220 on an R1 on the back straight, seriously ?


take the inside line and u will go faster bro, when you coming to get on the piss again?
Night of the 20th june, manfield, your camp !

[Cheshire Cat]

It's all about size... or have you not heard?? :laugh:

Yeah typical. :laugh:

[emaN]

'random & cheshire, i disagree with your comments & emoticons, respectively.

I and others on this thread happen to agree with J-rod. Plenty more have rep pm'd me in agreement & in support of my opinions.

JR, your repeated comments about 'taking it to the strip' are not relevant to this thread. You're directing that at people who have expressely included how much enjoyment they get out of a fun, tight, twisty & technical infield, as opposed to people who just want to hit warp speed in 9.89872330422 secs.
Incidentally, I specifically mentioned this in my posts purposefully to avoid blind comments like these.
"oh, you're all about top speed" "oh, you don't like corners"

Cods wollop. Bollocks to that. Go re-read our posts.

All he's saying (and all I'm saying) is that at the moment it's a track which offers a great combination of tight stuff, sweepy stuff & quick stuff, so why alter it?

The reason it's changing ( and do lets remember & keep this in perspective, it's not a permanent change!) is to do with safety.
It may not be the right approach, it may not be the best, or in fact it may turn out to be just what was needed...who knows?

I have safety concerns of my own re the new proposed layout; however, I'm not an organiser, am not involved with motoTT, and I feel this is not the place to express 'em.

Personally, I ride a bike on track for the high speed, g-forces & lean angles the experience offers, among the many other intangibles!
For me it's about testing all my limits, whether they be braking deeper & deeper (or not, and carrying more corner speed), getting 'er cranked reeeet over, muscling out of the bend-i-just-conquered (yeah right), cutting my way through the next one & eventually reaching my top speed.

What's not to like about that?

[Sidewinder]

You just keep your high speeds where they belong aye lol 220 on an R1 on the back straight, seriously ?


Night of the 20th june, manfield, your camp !

haha yea man, sounds like a mean plain! your shout!

[Sidewinder]

Be down again on June 20 to try the new track... MFSC going?

ill be raceing at manfield on the 20th and 21st! just come race there, $130 for 2 days of racing is all good!

[sinfull]

ill be raceing at manfield on the 20th and 21st! just come race there, $130 for 2 days of racing is all good!
Mmmm good point, when is our MNZ licence renewal due !

[sinfull]

muscling out of the bend-i-just-conquered (yeah right),
What's not to like about that? Arm pump !...

[kiwifruit]

Personally, I ride a bike on track for the high speed, g-forces & lean angles the experience offers, among the many other intangibles!
For me it's about testing all my limits, whether they be braking deeper & deeper (or not, and carrying more corner speed), getting 'er cranked reeeet over, muscling out of the bend-i-just-conquered (yeah right), cutting my way through the next one & eventually reaching my top speed.



We'll still be running days on track 1..... see you there :sunny: :sunny:

[J-rod]

[QUOTE=sinfull;1129232660]You just keep your high speeds where they belong aye lol 220 on an R1 on the back straight, seriously ?

C'mon Bill, its not exactly stringin it out is it.....but i'd be more than happy for you to sit beside me to prove it...

Given present company, i'm not exactly going to start saying stuff I can't back

[sinfull]

C'mon Bill, its not exactly stringin it out is it.....but i'd be more than happy for you to sit beside me to prove it...

Given present company, i'm not exactly going to start saying stuff I can't back
All good mate, was only trying to lighten the mood !
What you need to do is try out manfield on the 20th and 21st, motels or camps are cheap in fielding or there's a shitload be camping at the track !
Back straight that leads into a sweeper ya can do at full noise (well some can hehehe) Aww wait it's the full track in june but still a wicked track to try !
All ya need is a mnz # a club membership and 1 or 2 easy mods to the bike !
Promise ya you'll never look back !

Edit : Maybe not for you if your worried about insurance though !

Think what the guys that gave ya a bit of stick have lost sight of, is the fact they used to guage their own improvements by what top end they got on the back straight ! Believe me you too will stop looking at the speedo once it tops 240 and start thinking lap timers etc (not allowed though aye Alan)

[discotex]

Hope everyone gets their knickers un-bunched about the track 5 layout by the 20th eh :jerry:

[J-rod]

Mate, you're right on the mark there and I am really lookng forward to trying Manfield, just don't currently have the means of getting the bike there...
I certainly would go as far as not going riding cause the track was not how I like it, because any riding is good riding.
Hows the back and Knees comin along??

[JayRacer37]

Beauty, that chicane evened up the playing field for the 600's riding in the fast group with 1000cc throttle jockies!

Now I just need to finance a super sweet 600 sportsbike and get back to the track!

Oh OHOHOHHHOOOOHHHH!

Mine is super sweet!
And you can finance a portion of it... :shifty:

That track layout looks really cool. I always enjoyed the chicane after turn 8 onto turn two of the old taupo. Coming out of there lets you go through the opening right hander on the gas (onto the 'other' back straight) turns it into a really challenging and technical corner, to my mind more so than A1. The new chicane on the back straight is interesting...lots of walls. Ah well. Agree re a white line being painted, more definite than cones.

[kiwifruit]

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