Reg Biffed

[Big Dave]

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25473470-5001021,00.html

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So Big Dave...what is it with these AUSSIE league players wanting to stir the porridge with their "mates"?

[Creeping Death]

Blardy stinks!BRING BACK THE BIFF!Reg is still da man no matter what his alter ego MJ did 6 looonnnggg years ago....that groupie goldigging wench can join the likes of Louise Nicholas.BRING BACK REG!

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Blardy stinks!BRING BACK THE BIFF!Reg is still da man no matter what his alter ego MJ did 6 looonnnggg years ago....that groupie goldigging wench can join the likes of Louise Nicholas.BRING BACK REG!

MAAAAATE!

Fancy a swordfight?

[Big Dave]

So Big Dave...what is it with these AUSSIE league players wanting to stir the porridge with their "mates"?


Stuffed if I know - I play Basketball and always waited till I got home to have a shower after a game - let alone waving it about for the team.

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Stuffed if I know - I play Basketball and always waited till I got home to have a shower after a game - let alone waving it about for the team.

Not a real team player then - preferring more solitary pursuits like riding bikes and tinternet erotica

[98tls]

No doubt something there great great grandfathers picked up on the convict boats.

[Big Dave]

preferring more solitary pursuits

I bin married 28 years.

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I bin married 28 years.

I take it you were/are the solitary groom though eh?

[Big Dave]

I take it you were/are the solitary groom though eh?


Seinfeld had a great quote about group sex.

'I can't do it - I don't want to wear all those big gold medallions and open neck shirts'.

[Fatjim]

Am I missing something? I thought the sex was consensual and the women was not assaulted.

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Seinfeld had a great quote about group sex.

'I can't do it - I don't want to wear all those big gold medallions and open neck shirts'.

Needs to add "hats with corks on" to his gag

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Am I missing something? I thought the sex was consensual and the women was not assaulted.

Whatever turns you on - consensual poridge stirring it is then

[Creeping Death]

Am I missing something? I thought the sex was consensual and the women was not assaulted.

She wasn't assaulted and it WAS consensual...she just didn't realise League teams have an interchange bench...;)

[Blackshear]

Is this the bint who bought rope to hang herself and cut her wrists?
Was there any evidence of physical harm?

[ynot slow]

She wasn't assaulted and it WAS consensual...she just didn't realise League teams have an interchange bench...;)

Or the other team and ball boys,refs,ladies who prepared the meal would join in.

So she now realises she was a slag,after all she wanted to shag them/him(Johns)maybe as a dare who knows.

[fredie]

banned from the footy show now :nono:

[Skyryder]

Ive been known to give the Aussies some stick but I take my hat off to them for this.

I just hope that the NZ media and especially the 'sports' types take note.

Some of them need some 'moral fortitude' like their Aussie counterparts.

Good call guys.


Skyryder

[Pex Adams]

I'm not sure what to think on this issue.. One side of me thinks that this is the price you pay for behaving like a porn star, when you have a public profile. I'm sure there are a few Swingers out there, that have dipped and dambled in many different places in front of others, with others, and on others (YUCK!). But because their not famous no one cared at all about it. It was all a bit of 'fun' at the end of the day..

The other side of me thinks that what did she expect was going to happen when you allow a bunch of league idiots to watch?!

I wonder if she would have been so traumertised if it had been a couple of blokes at a swingers party?! I would suspect not. Its only because he's a popular TV figure that she feels aggrieved.. Isn't it ironic, that that was probably the whole reason she wanted to shag him in the first place:blink:

[Lias]

Lets face it I'm no politically correct wowser, but even to me league clubs seems to be bastions of hardcore misogny. My understanding is the woman agreed to sex with two guys, and the rest of them pretty much just formed a line and rooted her anyway, without consent. She made a police complaint, but the reality is even if the cops believed her, how can she prove that she consented to some of it, but not all of it?

Yes officer, the cock in my mouth and my pussy I agreed to, but when the 3rd guy shoved it into my arse I tried to say no but I had a mouthful? After they changed guys a few times I just lay there and took it.

So I guess the question becomes, by putting herself into that situation, does she consent to anything and everything done to her? I don't think so. I reckon she's in the right, and some of it was nonconsesual, and the lads didnt give a fuck because they were drunk and getting their end off.

[Skyryder]

Lets face it I'm no politically correct wowser, but even to me league clubs seems to be bastions of hardcore misogny. My understanding is the woman agreed to sex with two guys, and the rest of them pretty much just formed a line and rooted her anyway, without consent. She made a police complaint, but the reality is even if the cops believed her, how can she prove that she consented to some of it, but not all of it?

Yes officer, the cock in my mouth and my pussy I agreed to, but when the 3rd guy shoved it into my arse I tried to say no but I had a mouthful? After they changed guys a few times I just lay there and took it.

So I guess the question becomes, by putting herself into that situation, does she consent to anything and everything done to her? I don't think so. I reckon she's in the right, and some of it was nonconsesual, and the lads didnt give a fuck because they were drunk and getting their end off.

I'm not in general disagreement with you on this, but as I see it, John's 'suspension' as nothing to do with consent or not. He got himself involved with a 'gang bang' and I doubt if many here would agree that this is the sort of image that league or for than matter any sport would want to be associated with.


Skyryder

[Fatjim]

I'm not saying what he did was morally right. And its certainly not my cup of tea. Sloppy seconds? yuck.


But lets face it.

1. The cops said there was nothing illegal, they interviewed 80 people! And they're like rottwiellers, they'll prosecute anybody if there is a sniff of evidence.
2. The Bint went up with two guys, then didn't leave when more showed up.
3. He's dealt with it within his family and was lucky to still be married.
4. The guys who run NRL are PC cocks, and so are the Channel 9 producers, and Melbourne Storm. They're all spineless cocks for sacking him. He should sue there arses, and so should every league player who gets railroaded.

[Trudes]

I don't know the full story, I suspect only a few do, don't believe everything you see on tele or read on stuff etc...... but, I have to agree with Fatjim. It all sounds sus to me and I don't think I've ever been so off my face that I wouldn't know what the hell I was agreeing to and be unable to get up and leave if I didn't like what was going on, and if I was that out of it, I'd probably think I had a good time the next day. Ok, yes, I'm shallow.

[Winston001]

I'm not saying what he did was morally right. And its certainly not my cup of tea. Sloppy seconds? yuck.


But lets face it.

1. The cops said there was nothing illegal, they interviewed 80 people! And they're like rottwiellers, they'll prosecute anybody if there is a sniff of evidence.
2. The Bint went up with two guys, then didn't leave when more showed up.
3. He's dealt with it within his family and was lucky to still be married.
4. The guys who run NRL are PC cocks, and so are the Channel 9 producers, and Melbourne Storm. They're all spineless cocks for sacking him. He should sue there arses, and so should every league player who gets railroaded.

Have to disagree. The police will have believed her but won't have had the evidence to prosecute. Because of the position she put herself in, proving lack of consent would be very difficult - particularly if the guys stayed staunch, said little or nothing.

There are cases where a woman has said "No" to the third guy, and he and everyone after him were convicted of rape.

This silly girl was 19 years old, probably partly intoxicated, star-struck by the two guys, and thought she was having a good time. When she found herself at a team event she should have called time and left. But at 19 she wouldn't have the confidence or courage. She would know she was in trouble and probably just shut down hoping it would all be over.

[Lias]

Have to disagree. The police will have believed her but won't have had the evidence to prosecute. Because of the position she put herself in, proving lack of consent would be very difficult - particularly if the guys stayed staunch, said little or nothing.


Having known a woman who was sexually assaulted, laid a complaint, and the guy wasnt prosecuted because it came down to he said she said with no phyiscal evidence, I can easily believe that to be the case.

[ynot slow]

The old what goes on tour stays on tour mentality,when will they learn.And the guys all say nothing.Sorry she might have decided Johns was in,maybe another in his room if 2 to a room,but hard to cry rape if she consented to 2 guys,and hard to say him,him and him ok,but can't recall him,him or him being told no way.By the same token they shouldn't have said a girl is here to be blocked,so a pretty grey area there.

[ynot slow]

Having known a woman who was sexually assaulted, laid a complaint, and the guy wasnt prosecuted because it came down to he said she said with no phyiscal evidence, I can easily believe that to be the case.

I know someone in similar situ,except it was an ex hubbie and his daughters word vs the mothers,in this case the judge believed the daughter lied about mum sexually abusing her,no evidence at time of complaint.

[Fatjim]

Have to disagree. The police will have believed her but won't have had the evidence to prosecute. Because of the position she put herself in, proving lack of consent would be very difficult - particularly if the guys stayed staunch, said little or nothing.

There are cases where a woman has said "No" to the third guy, and he and everyone after him were convicted of rape.

This silly girl was 19 years old, probably partly intoxicated, star-struck by the two guys, and thought she was having a good time. When she found herself at a team event she should have called time and left. But at 19 she wouldn't have the confidence or courage. She would know she was in trouble and probably just shut down hoping it would all be over.


Having known a woman who was sexually assaulted, laid a complaint, and the guy wasnt prosecuted because it came down to he said she said with no phyiscal evidence, I can easily believe that to be the case.


The old what goes on tour stays on tour mentality,when will they learn.And the guys all say nothing.Sorry she might have decided Johns was in,maybe another in his room if 2 to a room,but hard to cry rape if she consented to 2 guys,and hard to say him,him and him ok,but can't recall him,him or him being told no way.By the same token they shouldn't have said a girl is here to be blocked,so a pretty grey area there.

But this is all speculation, and goes against what the cops said. You guys are condemning him based on other experiences.

[Big Dave]

The whole thing is unfortunate for all.

If there is anything to learn from it is 'young bucks - just keep your dick in your pants'.

Remember the great Douglas Adams quote from 'the meaning of liff' and recognise life's Caarnduncans when you see them:



CAARNDUNCAN (n.)

The high-pitched and insistent cry of the young human urging one
of its peer group to do something dangerous on a cliff-edge or piece of
toxic waste ground.
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[Winston001]

But this is all speculation, and goes against what the cops said. You guys are condemning him based on other experiences.

Fair enough if the police said nothing wrong happened and the original complaint was false. Can't say I've heard that but might be wrong.

Look FJ - understand what you mean. I'm a guy. In our teens and twenties the fantasy of an attractive willing 19yr old girl making herself available to the boys was our dream. But if I'm honest, I'd have quietly slunk out of the room and had a beer with more sensible mates. I don't find the idea of putting a girl on the block romantic or erotic and I'd feel pretty rotten having anything to do with such a situation.

That is the essential issue - its moral rather than legal. And we should all have moral views, even if they aren't exactly the same. Matthew Johns betrayed his marriage, used a silly "loose" besotted girl for gratification, then let her become a plaything for his mates. Hardly the actions of a decent man.

If he'd had any compassion he would have protected her - from her own stupidity.

[Fatjim]

I think the debate is, as the amoral society we've become, whether someone should be hung out like this.

[smoky]

... I don't think I've ever been so off my face that I wouldn't know what the hell I was agreeing to .... and if I was that out of it, I'd probably think I had a good time the next day. Ok, yes, I'm shallow.

I don't mind shallow, you sound like a real fun date :drinknsin
fancy a drink

[smoky]

Didn't the English rugby team get into trouble for a bit of tag team action last time they were here.

Stardom, fame and money, testosterone filled and fueled team building life styles, face the enemy together, play together - any stupid slapper looking for a bit of groupie actions going to get more than what she's bargained on

I find it a bit laughable to sack him from his role when he's not being charged with anything

But as for the morality of group sex "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

[fredie]

well well well the workmate of the girl has come out and spoken about what happened . she said the girl bragged about haveing orgy with up to 10 shark players. she had a good time . the 5 days later complained too cops :spanking::jerry:

[smoky]

well well well the workmate of the girl has come out and spoken about what happened . she said the girl bragged about haveing orgy with up to 10 shark players. she had a good time . the 5 days later complained too cops :spanking::jerry:

How reliable is the workmate - for a start do you think she is a mate
I know a few people who would say anything to discredit a work colleague
I saw her on TV and I think she just didn't like the girl and was getting her bck for something ???? who knows what to believe?
The issue is not really if she consented or had a good time or not, it's about rugby stars in orgy style parties isn't it?
It seems to be a storm in a tea cup (or should that be in a tea pot, being that it was shared)

[Hitcher]

Given that no crime has been committed, I'm struggling with this. I also don't know who to believe, so on that basis think that there's probably fault on both sides. I am also wondering why the lady in question is going public now, seven years after the event.

Rugby League players should clearly take greater care in explaining the interchange rule.

[ynot slow]

What is the difference between the swinging 60's and wife swap party era of 70-80's befor aids lol.Maybe the thing is those who are chastisinig Johns and his ilk,remember those times maybe rather embarrasingly,especially now they will be mid to late 50-60 year olds.

Always as youth age kids you hear about xx on the block,but all it was was hearsay,I and mates never saw it happen,but that's not to say it didn't.

The law (criminal)wasn't broken as no charges laid,maybe moral law was broken,but if she wanted to shag 2 or 3 guys and 7 or more joined in,she can't really cry wolf,afterall the nature of the game she knew about could happen.

[Hitcher]

but if she wanted to shag 2 or 3 guys and 7 or more joined in,she can't really cry wolf,afterall the nature of the game she knew about could happen.

I disagree with that. The issue is consent and control. The lady is alleging that she did not consent and that she had no control. She has a point. There was only one of her and a room full of sexually vigorous rugby league players.

[Maha]

I disagree with that. The issue is consent and control. The lady is alleging that she did not consent and that she had no control. She has a point. There was only one of her and a room full of sexually vigorous rugby league players.

And yet, an ex work mate was on the box (scuse the pun) last night saying that the female involved was bragging about it the very next day at work?

[Skyryder]

So what's the issue with this thread. The woman's behavour or John's losing his job?? The two are entriely different. Both involve moral issues. One is of behavour............the other is one of image.

Once you become the public face of a sport as Johns has done you need to be able to project and image that is in line with the publics tasts of decency not to mention honesty as well. No one is questioning John's honesty, or for that matter his committement to his chosen sport. It's his sense of decency that is in question. The NRL might like to pass itself off as a hard contact sport but in doing so it is not treading on anyones toes in the decency stakes. However it (NRL) would fall short of society's values if it continued with Johns. Just imagine the furore if one of John's players who he coached was involved in a gang bang while on tour. Hey the coach has done it why not me??

At the end of the day you can not get caught with something you have not done That little mantra has saved my neck on more occasions than I care to remember.


Skyryder

[MsKABC]

He has brought his employer and the sport he's involved with into disrepute - there is probably a clause in his contract enabling them to dismiss him in such circumstances. If he'd stopped to think about this possible consequence before he'd unzipped, then he wouldn't be in this shitstorm right now. I feel sorry for his poor wife.

[Winston001]

What is the difference between the swinging 60's and wife swap party era of 70-80's befor aids lol.Maybe the thing is those who are chastisinig Johns and his ilk,remember those times maybe rather embarrasingly,especially now they will be mid to late 50-60 year olds.

Always as youth age kids you hear about xx on the block,but all it was was hearsay,I and mates never saw it happen,but that's not to say it didn't.

The law (criminal)wasn't broken as no charges laid,maybe moral law was broken,but if she wanted to shag 2 or 3 guys and 7 or more joined in,she can't really cry wolf, after all the nature of the game she knew about could happen.

I think the wife-swapping and orgies of the 60s/70s always happened to someone else :D. It was mainly an american hippie thing and didn't happen much. I can't see the remotest connection with Johns behaviour.


I disagree with that. The issue is consent and control. The lady is alleging that she did not consent and that she had no control. She has a point. There was only one of her and a room full of sexually vigorous rugby league players.

Agreed. That is exactly the point at issue.


And yet, an ex work mate was on the box (scuse the pun) last night saying that the female involved was bragging about it the very next day at work?

It doesn't sound good eh. Even so, people are odd. Despite feeling ashamed or embarrassed we try to brazen out our mistakes. I suspect her bragging was simply that of an immature silly girl who wondered what the hell she'd gotten herself into.

If she really was proud of her "achievement" she wouldn't have gone near a police station.

[Hitcher]

Also interesting is that Matt Johns is the only player to come forward. He also appears to have had the good sense to have fessed up to his missus immediately afterwards. None of that however exonerates what transpired that night in Christchurch.

[MisterD]

Also interesting is that Matt Johns is the only player to come forward. He also appears to have had the good sense to have fessed up to his missus immediately afterwards. None of that however exonerates what transpired that night in Christchurch.

I think "come forward" is not quite the right expression for what MJ did...that kind of implies it was his decision, the police investigation at the time probably had a lot to do with the confession too.

It reads to me like the girl in question thought she'd been really clever then had a case of the regrets when people she bragged to didn't share her opinion...

I fully agree that the other "men" involved should not be allowing MJ to continue to carry the can on his own.

[fredie]

Also interesting is that Matt Johns is the only player to come forward. He also appears to have had the good sense to have fessed up to his missus immediately afterwards. None of that however exonerates what transpired that night in Christchurch.

yes he confess to wife after the police inteveiwed 80 people 7 years ago . they broke up for 2 years . got back together. this girl by spreading her legs has caused alot of trouble . was it worth it with everyone involved:doh::jerry:

[smoky]

yes he confess to wife after the police inteveiwed 80 people 7 years ago . they broke up for 2 years . got back together. this girl by spreading her legs has caused alot of trouble . was it worth it with everyone involved:doh::jerry:

you can't blame her for his actions - thats a bit far

[fredie]

well this kiwi girl's father and sister found out today all about her. they had no idea:doh::jerry: