How to tell your boss she has unreasonable expectations?

[MotoGirl]

Don’t you just hate that feeling of having the carpet ripped out from right under your feet? I get this what seems everyday at work and it’s making me really hate the environment I’m in. It’s not a pleasant experience to get frustrated and angry on a daily basis. The company where I work is small – as in really small, with only four people.

My boss is the only person I have an issue with. She changes my priorities on a daily basis and I frequently arrive at work to find a page long email, which contains no reference to the tasks she assigned previously and how the new tasks fit into the other things I have to do. She never gives me due dates for anything or tells me what has the highest priority, and she makes snide remarks when I ask because apparently she doesn’t have time to micro manage. She knows I struggle with her management style yet she turns into a catty bitch when I remind her that she’s being unreasonable. I really don’t know how to tell her to pull her head in, and there have been two occasions where I have been so angry I’ve had to leave the building.


Let me give you some more examples of how shortsighted she can be.
1) My boss organised a training session for some clients, which I was scheduled to run all day Monday starting from 8.30 a.m. I had setup our training room on Friday afternoon so everything was ready to go. At 9 p.m. the Saturday beforehand, my boss sent me a txt message saying she needed the laptop on Monday so could I find something else to use.


My first thought was “you organised this training session and now you’re stealing my resources away?” Our training environment is on a completely different domain so I responded saying that I would make a special trip in to work on Sunday, setup and test my own computer, and then let her know it was OK to take the laptop. She sent me another message and made me feel guilty for inconveniencing her! When did she think I was going to change things over? The training started at 8.30 a.m. :doh:


2) I have spent all day today supervising someone presenting another training session (this has been organised for weeks). This is a two day course so I’ll be doing the same thing tomorrow. I deliberately arrived at work super early this morning to finish setting up and just happened to check my emails. What I discovered was an email from my boss asking me to be in the training room but not to participate in the training. Instead, she wanted me to be on the other network adding content to a site that she needs by Friday. I can’t connect to the Internet while being on the other domain because we’ve deliberately disabled it.


She got rather annoyed when I suggested that there was value in me contributing because I was showing the trainees things that could add immediate value to their company. I have been working with the product longer than the other trainer so know some tricks that he doesn’t know about. However, in my boss’ mind, fighting fires has far more priority than the work she scheduled me to do weeks ago.


I’m just so over having my priorities changed on a daily basis and I get really annoyed when she dedicates me to something then tells me on the day that I should be doing something else.


Is there a diplomatic way of telling her to sort her shit out?

[spacemonkey]

Yeah with a resignation letter.
Sounds like the type that you can explain it to untill your blue in the face and they won't care or change.

She has you pegged as her permanent whipping boy/girl.
And I doubt it will change while both you and her stay working there.

Bummer for you but I'd recomend you start job hunting. :(

[98tls]

Only one way to do it really,sit her down and get it off your chest.As was just posted she seems to think that the way she does things is acceptable and until you do something about it i doubt anything will change,be firm.

[allycatz]

I told my boss two weeks ago her stress levels were red lining and she was un necessarily taking them out on myself and our clients...result? No pay the next day and a letter in my letter box telling me I was releived of my position forthwith....now going for personal grievance

[MotoGirl]

I told my boss two weeks ago her stress levels were red lining and she was un necessarily taking them out on myself and our clients...result? No pay the next day and a letter in my letter box telling me I was releived of my position forthwith....now going for personal grievance

I wouldn't put this past my boss, either. She was pretty childish when a workmate resigned to move to Australia and the tension made everyone in the office uncomfortable.

She's just made another workmate redundant (he was incompetent so it was an excuse) so there's always the risk she could get rid of me using the same trick.

[allycatz]

I was warned about her before I started and I was her third Office Manager in seven months of trading.....I had no prior warnings of the reasons she gave to fire me, one of them being I wore a low cut top FFS!

[cs363]

Unless there's a higher up than your boss that you can take these issues to (and assuming they are reasonable and not biased towards your boss) I'd say you really only have one option and that is to leave.
Whilst getting it off your chest may help you as far as vocalising your problems with her, from the sound of it I doubt whether it will do your work situation much good - probably quite the reverse.

I've been in a somewhat similar position in the past, and whilst I loved the job I wasn't enamoured with the management style. As luck would have it, by a roundabout way I ended up in a similar job but without the aggravation.

My advice is keep your head down and bide your time whilst forming an escape plan. Best not to do anything reactive in the heat of the moment especially in the current job climate. Though it sounds from your posts that you are in a relatively skilled position so I would expect your chances of finding a similar position somewhere else may not be too bad.

I wish you the best of luck whatever you decide to do. :)

[cs363]

I was warned about her before I started and I was her third Office Manager in seven months of trading.....I had no prior warnings of the reasons she gave to fire me, one of them being I wore a low cut top FFS!

On the upside, I predict a healthy sum of money coming your way soon... :)
And again, good luck to you in your new job quest :)

[allycatz]

I had a lawyers letter from her this week offering $1k if I shut up and went away....I said no

[MotoGirl]

Unless there's a higher up than your boss that you can take these issues to (and assuming they are reasonable and not biased towards your boss) I'd say you really only have one option and that is to leave.
Whilst getting it off your chest may help you as far as vocalising your problems with her, from the sound of it I doubt whether it will do your work situation much good - probably quite the reverse.

I've been in a somewhat similar position in the past, and whilst I loved the job I wasn't enamoured with the management style. As luck would have it, by a roundabout way I ended up in a similar job but without the aggravation.

My advice is keep your head down and bide your time whilst forming an escape plan. Best not to do anything reactive in the heat of the moment especially in the current job climate. Though it sounds from your posts that you are in a relatively skilled position so I would expect your chances of finding a similar position somewhere else may not be too bad.

I wish you the best of luck whatever you decide to do. :)

You are completely right. I have voiced by concerns with her before and she has never made any attempt to change.

Like you have said, I'm working in a skilled position but the product I use (SharePoint) isn't too common in Tauranga. Bugger.

[spacemonkey]

I had a lawyers letter from her this week offering $1k if I shut up and went away....I said no

Good onya! :D
Put the boot in!!!! :kick:

[AllanB]

My staff just tell me to 'get real' - then they get on with it and most of the time it's all done in the time I thought! But I have nice staff and we all get on pretty well :apint:

Basically it sounds like a time management thing. These suck. For both parties - your boss may be under a lot of pressure you are unaware of and consequently not organising herself as well as she could (usually the first thing to suffer).

I'll put it this way: ask her if she can help you to organise your week every Monday morning so you can be more efficient. A 30 minute sit-down on a Monday so you are aware of the weeks work expectations would help both parties.

Hmmm time I did this myself.......

[cs363]

You are completely right. I have voiced by concerns with her before and she has never made any attempt to change.

Like you have said, I'm working in a skilled position but the product I use (SharePoint) isn't too common in Tauranga. Bugger.


Not sure of your personal/financial situation (obviously, lol) but if you have expertise in that sort of field wouldn't there be the possibility of going out on your own as a consultant or something? Just a thought... :)

[cs363]

I had a lawyers letter from her this week offering $1k if I shut up and went away....I said no

Tell her to add about four zeros to that and you'll think about it, and by the sounds of it she'd be getting off lightly!!

[Bikernereid]

God. it sounds like you have a really hard time. It sounds like your boss maybe finds it difficult to communicate what she wants in a productive manner.

I do not know if it would work but can you maybe use her own emails to identify the problem you are having. If she has asked you to do a,b, c on day 1 and then adds e,f,g on day two and you find that you do not have enough time and she has not prioritised turn it back on her as the manager. She needs to take responsibility as your boss. Just a suggestion but when you email her quote her own words back at her and show her just what she has asked you to do over two days with no direct guidance. Maybe by asking her is she could assist you achieve the goals of meeting her requests by identifying which ones are prioritise you are putting the onus on her to manage professionally.

Sometimes bosses forget what they have asked people to do and do not realise that others are not mind readers and can't sencond guess. I am not justifying her behaviour at all but sometimes we need to try and put ourselves in our bosses shoes and think about what pressures they may be under. maybe you boss is feeling insecure and that she can't cope and she is taking it out on you. Not good I know.

All I would say is don't go in with a confrontational style as it wont help you. If you are empathic and sympathetic it should be harder for her to be a 'bitch'. (Just my humble advice) Hope this helps.

[doc]

Don’t you just hate that feeling of having the carpet ripped out from right under your feet? I get this what seems everyday at work and it’s making me really hate the environment I’m in.


'Welcome to my world" I'm at the bottom of the food chain too. :baby: It pays the bills tho. :banana:

[MotoGirl]

My staff just tell me to 'get real' - then they get on with it and most of the time it's all done in the time I thought! But I have nice staff and we all get on pretty well :apint:

Basically it sounds like a time management thing. These suck. For both parties - your boss may be under a lot of pressure you are unaware of and consequently not organising herself as well as she could (usually the first thing to suffer).

I'll put it this way: ask her if she can help you to organise your week every Monday morning so you can be more efficient. A 30 minute sit-down on a Monday so you are aware of the weeks work expectations would help both parties.

Hmmm time I did this myself.......
Cheers. I think one of the challenges with this company is that we all spend so much time working remotely so the office is effectively left to run itself. You can imagine the complications this causes because we're rarely in the office at the same time. I would be lucky to have a conversation with my boss once every couple of weeks so the majority of our conversations are via email.

Although it was a good idea to sit down with her, she never gives me any help or direction and doesn't really have the time of day for me.

[FROSTY]

MG sorry to sound brutal--DO YOU WANT THIS JOB??

If yes then ok you really have 2 choices
1) shut up and get on with it as is
or
2) Very diplomaticly express your concerns quoting examples
Give your suggestions for solutions

Bloody hard but work out a way that it comes across as non confrontational

If no then keep quiet and start job hunting.

Hope this helps

[MotoGirl]

MG sorry to sound brutal--DO YOU WANT THIS JOB??

If yes then ok you really have 2 choices
1) shut up and get on with it as is
or
2) Very diplomaticly express your concerns quoting examples
Give your suggestions for solutions

Bloody hard but work out a way that it comes across as non confrontational

If no then keep quiet and start job hunting.

Hope this helps

Cheers for that. I have done option 2 a couple of times already without success (sending her own emails back to her as examples) and they make no difference.

I guess I just have to tolerate her shit until I can leave.

[Solly]

.....she sounds like the typical bitch.....only one way to deal with her sort, kick her in the crotch!! :devil2:

[cs363]

I guess I just have to tolerate her shit until I can leave.

Copy their client list and go out on your own ;) It wouldn't be the first time that's been done especially in the IT game! Not only that, sounds like she bloody deserves it!
If she's that bad with staff that must filter through to customers?

(Is she the owner or??)

[MotoGirl]

.....she sounds like the typical bitch.....only one way to deal with her sort, kick her in the crotch!! :devil2:

:rofl: She's so tall that I probably couldn't even kick that high! I guess it helps a woman in the IT industry being tall, blonde and gorgeous (her, not me). I have actual skills whereas she gets by on her looks!

[Gwinch]

:rofl: She's so tall that I probably couldn't even kick that high! I guess it helps a woman in the IT industry being tall, blonde and gorgeous (her, not me). I have actual skills whereas she gets by on her looks!

Wouldn't your dear Cajun be tall enough to give her a cuntpunt?

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[MotoGirl]

Copy their client list and go out on your own ;) It wouldn't be the first time that's been done especially in the IT game! Not only that, sounds like she bloody deserves it!
If she's that bad with staff that must filter through to customers?

(Is she the owner or??)

Yes, she owns the company. It's becoming a complete disaster zone though. She's all about putting band aids on problems intead of actually fixing them. An example of this is how our whole infrastructure is dying a slow, painful death. Computers will die (not mine because I look after it) so instead of fixing them, they just pick up another one and kill that.

We're SharePoint consultants yet we don't even use it for our internal use (our server ran out of space so that was enough reason to stop using SharePoint and go back to storing documents on a shared drive). It's an absolute shambles so I'll probably be happy to find another job!

[cs363]

Yes, she owns the company. It's becoming a complete disaster zone though. She's all about putting band aids on problems intead of actually fixing them. An example of this is how our whole infrastructure is dying a slow, painful death. Computers will die (not mine because I look after it) so instead of fixing them, they just pick up another one and kill that.

We're SharePoint consultants yet we don't even use it for our internal use (our server ran out of space so that was enough reason to stop using SharePoint and go back to storing documents on a shared drive). It's an absolute shambles so I'll probably be happy to find another job!

In that case I'll stick with my subversive advice ;) lol

Sounds from the tone of your post that you've pretty well made up your mind anyway, so good luck with the job hunt (or business start up, tee hee). :D

[Solly]

Yes, she owns the company. It's becoming a complete disaster zone though. She's all about putting band aids on problems intead of actually fixing them...............

Sound to me, you need to find another job, quick ..........and bail before you get tainted by her reputation [train wreck waiting to happen from what you're saying]

[allycatz]

Try another tack maybe...put all your issues in a report but make the report look like a positive action plan and say you feel it will make the business and your work day run smoother....ask for a trial period to run it that way....if you point out the negatives as a positive you might have more sucess and you also have a written record in your favour if any shite goes down later

[Solly]

Try another tack maybe...put all your issues in a report but make the report look like a positive action plan and say you feel it will make the business and your work day run smoother....ask for a trial period to run it that way....if you point out the negatives as a positive you might have more sucess and you also have a written record in your favour if any shite goes down later

Yep, sound like a damn fine idea.....personally, I'd still go for the crotch kick :headbang:

[ynot slow]

Sound to me, you need to find another job, quick ..........and bail before you get tainted by her reputation [train wreck waiting to happen from what you're saying]

Or get businees cards printed,distribute them to any clients of hers as her company crashes lol.

Sounds to me and not condescending here,a typical ladies envoironment to work in,i.e bitchiness united.I worked with similar ladies,no idea what my job entailed,whinging if they thought I'd taken too long,not understanding the other consultant stuffed the measurements up,and I was there fixing it so the customer was happy,even thought client didn't know a stuff up had happened,20plus years experience helps.

Try working in a clothing industry(when we had one 30yrs ago)with 100-120ladies from 15-70yrs and about 8-10guys,mind you 1 guy was as bad as a woman.He would stay pissed off if he was wrong all day and into the next,and he was supposedly 2IC.

[CookMySock]

I feel your pain, but its not really your position to tell your boss anything. If her business goes down the toilet because of her actions then who gives a shit.

Your problem, if I may, is that you are a doormat. Learn to say no, especially if it involves coming in on a sunday or some other crap thats outside your contractual working hours. As an employer, it's just grand having staff that will bust their arse for me so I don't have to, so learn a lesson and let her do her own legwork.. You know the game "oh I didn't get your txt".. "forgot to check my email".. "The dog ate it"...

During working hours though, you really have to go do what you are told, and if the boss says to shut up in the training room, then thats how it has to be. While it will be hard letting go of this, really its the only way forward for you. It's not about whether you are right or wrong, or what you want.. the fact is you are hired staff and the boss's word is law. Sorry.

Steve

[shafty]

Good luck with this MotoGirl, - and importantly, in the meantime, keep notes of dates/examples etc for the worst case scenario - a Constructive dismissal PG

[Solly]

I feel your pain, but its not really your position to tell your boss anything. If her business goes down the toilet because of her actions then who gives a shit.

Your problem, if I may, is that you are a doormat. Learn to say no, especially if it involves coming in on a sunday or some other crap thats outside your contractual working hours. As an employer, it's just grand having staff that will bust their arse for me so I don't have to, so learn a lesson and let her do her own legwork.. You know the game "oh I didn't get your txt".. "forgot to check my email".. "The dog ate it"...

During working hours though, you really have to go do what you are told, and if the boss says to shut up in the training room, then thats how it has to be. While it will be hard letting go of this, really its the only way forward for you. It's not about whether you are right or wrong, or what you want.. the fact is you are hired staff and the boss's word is law. Sorry.

Steve

Nah,............I still vote "CROTCH KICK"!!!!!!!! :banana::banana:

[cs363]

Good luck with this MotoGirl, - and importantly, in the meantime, keep notes of dates/examples etc for the worst case scenario - a Constructive dismissal PG

Excellent advice right there! Doesn't hurt to be prepared :2thumbsup

[MotoGirl]

I feel your pain, but its not really your position to tell your boss anything. If her business goes down the toilet because of her actions then who gives a shit.

Your problem, if I may, is that you are a doormat. Learn to say no, especially if it involves coming in on a sunday or some other crap thats outside your contractual working hours. As an employer, it's just grand having staff that will bust their arse for me so I don't have to, so learn a lesson and let her do her own legwork.. You know the game "oh I didn't get your txt".. "forgot to check my email".. "The dog ate it"...

During working hours though, you really have to go do what you are told, and if the boss says to shut up in the training room, then thats how it has to be. While it will be hard letting go of this, really its the only way forward for you. It's not about whether you are right or wrong, or what you want.. the fact is you are hired staff and the boss's word is law. Sorry.

Steve

Cheers Steve, that was a really useful post!

In hindsight, I could've ignored the txt then said I left my phone the office over the weekend so wasn't aware she'd asked to use the laptop. Mind you, she probably would've taken it anyway and I would have discovered it missing 30mins before I had 15 people rock up for training!

I do respect that what she says goes but it is really difficult to watch something so destructive. Afterall, I can do what she says but if it escalates to a point the company goes bust then I can kiss my job goodbye. There's a fine line between respecting the boss' wishes and watching out for the best interests of the company - even if the boss is so stressed that she can't see it for herself!

[MotoGirl]

Good luck with this MotoGirl, - and importantly, in the meantime, keep notes of dates/examples etc for the worst case scenario - a Constructive dismissal PG

Good idea, me thinks. I'll take a backup of my Outlook folders on Friday and start keeping a diary (I'm geeky enough :rofl:).

[Pussy]

However it pans out, I hope it's the best for you, Adele. :niceone:

[crazyhorse]

Even though times are tough, I would suggest taking the initiative and start job hunting. Why would you even want to stay working for someone like that - and its not healthy to be in that kind of environment day after day.

Get out and be happy!:bye:

[mynameis]

Go down on her.

[discotex]

Good luck with this MotoGirl, - and importantly, in the meantime, keep notes of dates/examples etc for the worst case scenario - a Constructive dismissal PG


Good idea, me thinks. I'll take a backup of my Outlook folders on Friday and start keeping a diary (I'm geeky enough :rofl:).

+1 for collating evidence and facts - you never know when you'll need it.

I've worked for this type before and they will not change. In my experience you will need to either find a way to manage upwards (i.e. figure out how to manipulate her to suit your needs) or find another job. Or maybe both.

MOSS skills are generally sought after. If you're prepared to travel a bit you shouldn't have trouble finding work. Just might be contract based. Personally I'd say that'd be more stable than working with a psycho who could sack you at any moment or wind up the company.

[smokeyging]

Sounds like a personality clash. i dought shes worth helping anyway. your too good for her, hunt for another job. if she was worth helping she would confide with you better. just my thoughts.

[madbikeboy]

You are completely right. I have voiced by concerns with her before and she has never made any attempt to change.

Like you have said, I'm working in a skilled position but the product I use (SharePoint) isn't too common in Tauranga. Bugger.

hey, long time no see. Sorry to hear you're in this strife at work. If you can't resolve the issue with her, you have the option of talking with her manager or HR (if your firm is big enough). Can be problematic on so many levels though..

Sharepoint is an in demand skillset, give your local Gen-i office a call. There will be other companies using it - hospitals and local councils are normally users. Also, consider talking to your biggest customers that you have trained...

[Slyer]

Sharepoint really?
Didn't seem to be all that complicated when we had a play with the action pack.

Also consider the possibility that she's trying to make you quit. ;)

[MotoGirl]

Sharepoint really?
Didn't seem to be all that complicated when we had a play with the action pack.

Also consider the possibility that she's trying to make you quit. ;)

We have the Enterprise version of MOSS, which has all the bells and whistles and it can get complicated once you step outside of just configuring it. :D I'm an admin/developer/designer/configurer/consultant/trainer so it's hard to know it all!

[Slyer]

We have the Enterprise version of MOSS, which has all the bells and whistles and it can get complicated once you step outside of just configuring it. :D I'm an admin/developer/designer/configurer/consultant/trainer so it's hard to know it all!
I've only got experience in supporting my company's own software, which is not all that useful if I had to move on...

[vifferman]

Given that she's not managing the company well, it sounds like your long-term prospects aren't good anyway. Carry on doing a good job, but plan for getting a new job (keep up a good relationship with clients, look out for Sharepoint positions or possibilities for contract tele-work, etc.) I think from what you've related, there's very little chance of things getting better where you are, and a strong likelihood of things going down the gurgler.

My wife worked for someone who was even worse: she was busy with some messy personal stuff (divorce, custody issues, etc.) and so wasn't doing her job properly, so the work wasn't coming in, so that was making her even more stressed, etc. She ended up taking it out on my wife, who left in the end, and ended up getting a better job.

[Kflasher]

...using the same trick.

Yes watch this, “Performance logging” she may be setting you up for failure.
You need to respond to all requests in a format that will back you up in the future.

There maybe a chance here for you to bypass her and effectively cutting her out of the loop. It may give you an increased work load and reduce hers to a point where she is no longer required.
Gather support of fellow workmates on any decision you decide to take, if they are experiencing the similar issues to you, they may be looking forward to a new leader.

Hope it all works out for you.

[Skyryder]

Start keeping a work diary for any future PD issues. Start looking for another job and if you find one do not tell anyone where you are going. Give the approapiate notice then take absoutly no notice of her 'changed' instructions at all. There are ways of getting back to shit bosses but unfortunatley 'nice people very often do not use the office system to do it.


Skyryder

[MotoGirl]

Yes watch this, “Performance logging” she may be setting you up for failure.
You need to respond to all requests in a format that will back you up in the future.

There maybe a chance here for you to bypass her and effectively cutting her out of the loop. It may give you an increased work load and reduce hers to a point where she is no longer required.
Gather support of fellow workmates on any decision you decide to take, if they are experiencing the similar issues to you, they may be looking forward to a new leader.

Hope it all works out for you.

Cheers for that, but we're such a small company (four people) there is no way to bypass her.

A general thought... If I do exactly what she asks when she asks, without questioning how to fits with my other priorities, whose fault is it if I can't make or miss a deadline? Can she come back at me for that?

[CookMySock]

Yes watch this, “Performance logging” she may be setting you up for failure.MG, right or wrong I think you will be better served to ignore all the paranoia - it's not a smart way to think on a daily basis - has negative consequences for your self-esteem. Just remember its not your heart attack.. and tell her btw all your weekends are fully booked for the foreseeable future.

Steve

[justsomeguy]

Hmmm......

Nice situation you've gotten into.

Was in a similar position in my last job. Made me hate tiny companies..... although it's wrong to generalise.

If this was me - I'd just suck it up and do my best, while being as assertive as possible. In the mean time look at the market and see what's around.

This ain't the time to be job hopping and it's not the easiest time to find work.

Any chance of going back to your previous roles?

[justsomeguy]

Cheers for that, but we're such a small company (four people) there is no way to bypass her.

A general thought... If I do exactly what she asks when she asks, without questioning how to fits with my other priorities, whose fault is it if I can't make or miss a deadline? Can she come back at me for that?

Course she can come back at you - YOU MISSED THE DEADLINE - NO NO SHUT UP - YOU MISSED THE DEADLINE. NO ARGUMENTS......ME BOSS ...

Sounds like she has her own issues here......

In such situations it's best to make sure that the lines of communication are completely open in the company. Make sure everyone knows the potential consequences of any new tasks undertaken, what existing work will that effect, etc...Do you have weekly meetings? How do you monitor performance?

If the pavlova hits the fan, at least you will have something to go to your lawyer with.

Look sometimes such things happen. Take MotoGirl "the girl" out of the scenario and leave MotoGirl "the BA" in there - this is business, nothing more.

[jim.cox]

One place I worked for got taken out by an international engineering company.

Went from being 'just about ok' to 'dilbertian micro-management hell' in one quick jump

Took me a while, but I finally found an exit

You need to get out of there, as soon as possible

So get active, get networking and find that way out

But in the mean time you will just have to hang in there

And try not to let it get to you ( yeah right )

[ManDownUnder]

A general thought... If I do exactly what she asks when she asks, without questioning how to fits with my other priorities, whose fault is it if I can't make or miss a deadline? Can she come back at me for that?

Watch that one - she will find a way to make it your fault - "not being able to assess priorities", "not thinking for yourself", "not being a good judge of..." whatever. It will become personal. If you ever have conflicting instructions have her clarify which one takes priority and do it on the very genuine basis that you want to make sure the problems you've been experiencing lately aren't repeated.

Then watch the "other things" start to fall over... and watch her have no-one to blame but herself.

I'm also a fan of natural consequences. If she takes you off job A onto job B, or removes resources from A etc - and that thing you were doing fails... it's her fault - not yours.

Stop accommodating her extreme wishes by showing up extra early for things or jumping through the hoops she puts up. Enjoy your life too. Start at the required hour, end at the required hour. Be reasonable in what you give to the company, and in the current climate I'd say be more than reasonable, but don't give your life up to make hers easier.

That all said - tough one. That just sucks.

"Best time to look for a new job is while you still have one"

[MotoGirl]

Course she can come back at you - YOU MISSED THE DEADLINE - NO NO SHUT UP - YOU MISSED THE DEADLINE. NO ARGUMENTS......ME BOSS ...


Look sometimes such things happen. Take MotoGirl "the girl" out of the scenario and leave MotoGirl "the BA" in there - this is business, nothing more.


Watch that one - she will find a way to make it your fault - "not being able to assess priorities", "not thinking for yourself", "not being a good judge of..." whatever. It will become personal. If you ever have conflicting instructions have her clarify which one takes priority and do it on the very genuine basis that you want to make sure the problems you've been experiencing lately aren't repeated.


Stop accommodating her extreme wishes by showing up extra early for things or jumping through the hoops she puts up. Enjoy your life too. Start at the required hour, end at the required hour. Be reasonable in what you give to the company, and in the current climate I'd say be more than reasonable, but don't give your life up to make hers easier.

That all said - tough one. That just sucks.

"Best time to look for a new job is while you still have one"

That's some fine advice right there, guys!

I know from past experience that everything will always be my fault. She's told me before that I can't prioritise tasks and manage my own workload, yet my previous employer told me I was the best one in the company for managing myself. There's a reason my salary nearly trebbled in the time I was at that company, and it wasn't due to incompetence as my current boss would have me believe!

It sounds like I need to stop being so passionate about the company's wellbeing and turn into an employee who just shows up to eat lunch and get paid. :rofl:

[ManDownUnder]

It sounds like I need to stop being so passionate about the company's wellbeing and turn into an employee who just shows up to eat lunch and get paid. :rofl:

Na - just focus on the bigger picture. Look beyond your job and focus on your career - get a new job is needs be. Working for someone willing to blame you for everything is only going to wear you down and look bad on your CV.

Of interest - is she an owner or shareholder in the company?

[MotoGirl]

Na - just focus on the bigger picture. Look beyond your job and focus on your career - get a new job is needs be. Working for someone willing to blame you for everything is only going to wear you down and look bad on your CV.

Of interest - is she an owner or shareholder in the company?

Yes, she owns the company.

[ManDownUnder]

Yes, she owns the company.

Ok - so it literally is her personal interests she's playing with and she quite likely "owns your arse" - in her mind at least.

[BOGAR]

Like Jim and MDU say it's best to get a job while you still have one. Start looking, use employment agencies, networking and even KB and try and get a better job soon. You sound good at your job and we can but wish you th best of luck getting a new one. Use the thought of getting a better job as the light at the end of the tunnel to make the job bearable till the end. a bad word to the boss could end up leaving you without a job. There is plenty of advice on how to try and deal with the problem first but usually unless things really turn around there will always be resentment / annoyance there making it hard to continue working there.
I didn't like my job in Rotorua but the company I work for is large so I now spend 4 days in Tauranga which has been great for me. but the 1 day in Rotorua puts me on the defensive every time (even when there is nothing bad happening).
Good luck by the way.

[popelli]

My advice get another job - there is no solution or future in the current position

Other tips

Keep a detailed diary in case you need to get legal redress

Follow her instructions (make sure they are in writing) to the letter even when they are wrong

Do not give extra time to the jobs, unless you are paid to work weekends don't

Do not answer or reply to out of office / hours calls

If you don't get another position and have a good diary and copy all pertinent emails to your home email address as you will need this evidence

I had a similar situation a few years back, boss was a complete plonker, I bided my time documented everything and when he slipped up big time I had him for constrcutive dismissal

One phone call to his lawyer and he settled very quickly out of court with a compromise agreement comprising of a redundancy offer, a substantial cash settlement and an excellent reference

result I was out of a job that I truely hated and I was back in work within a matter of weeks after this and never looked back

Had he been smarter he could have made me redundant legally for less than a months salary, however as he had provided evidence for constructive dismissal he created a rod for his own back

[MotoGirl]

My advice get another job - there is no solution or future in the current position

Other tips

Keep a detailed diary in case you need to get legal redress

Follow her instructions (make sure they are in writing) to the letter even when they are wrong

Do not give extra time to the jobs, unless you are paid to work weekends don't

Do not answer or reply to out of office / hours calls

If you don't get another position and have a good diary and copy all pertinent emails to your home email address as you will need this evidence

I had a similar situation a few years back, boss was a complete plonker, I bided my time documented everything and when he slipped up big time I had him for constrcutive dismissal

One phone call to his lawyer and he settled very quickly out of court with a compromise agreement comprising of a redundancy offer, a substantial cash settlement and an excellent reference

result I was out of a job that I truely hated and I was back in work within a matter of weeks after this and never looked back

Had he been smarter he could have made me redundant legally for less than a months salary, however as he had provided evidence for constructive dismissal he created a rod for his own back

Interesting post. :first: What type of evidence did you have to prove constructive dismissal?

[Skyryder]

Interesting post. :first: What type of evidence did you have to prove constructive dismissal?

Any kind of comment that implies you need to start looking for another job. That's one. You need to write down the comment verbatim, time of day and who was present. Best advice on this is that do not answer back.

There's an old saying Don't get mad.........get even. Make this your mantra.


Skyryder

[scracha]

Don’t you just hate that feeling of having the

<---- WAH WAH WAH SNIPPED ----->

Is there a diplomatic way of telling her to sort her shit out?

See...this is another example of why wimmen should stay at home

[MotoGirl]

See...this is another example of why wimmen should stay at home

Yes, my woman boss should fuck off home and let me do my work in peace!

[doc]

Unfortunately unless your working in the Corporate world, constructive dismissal is hard to prove. If she wants you gone she will just wear you down. The sort of "Passive aggressive" approach. :sweatdrop

I agree with other posts . Your in the best positon now, looking for another job while you still have one. Then leave without burning your bridges.

Karma works both ways.

[Solly]

After reading all the good advice.....I'm still going with the "CROTCH KICK"

Just seems to be easier & straight to the point :innocent:

[cs363]

After reading all the good advice.....I'm still going with the "CROTCH KICK"

Just seems to be easier & straight to the point :innocent:


I think you may be getting fixated on crotch kicking.... :lol:

[popelli]

Interesting post. :first: What type of evidence did you have to prove constructive dismissal?


loads of copies of emails

evidence of deliberate witholding of information required to perform your job

a copy of the invoice from employment lawyers when he had spend 40 minutes discussing my objections to a new employment contract when he had refused to discuss the same objections with myself

A copy of my job spec and emails confirming that he had without consultation removed responsibilities from me

I had already previously filed a personal greivance claim to which they had replied in writing with a white wash reply which had a lawyer doubled up on the floor with laughter

constructive dismissal is very hard for employers to defend and if an employee has a bonefide grudge they can given time construct a very convincing case, my neighbour was a union employment lawyer and I had excellent advice

crowning glory of the evidence was a general staff meeting when a new organisation chart was shown to all employees and my position had be reclassified at a lower level - the boss was a total plonker and left himself wide open

[Laxi]

I was warned about her before I started and I was her third Office Manager in seven months of trading.....I had no prior warnings of the reasons she gave to fire me, one of them being I wore a low cut top FFS!

we cant really coment on said low cut top unless we se a photo you know:sweatdrop

I've always been good at not giving a stuff, had problems with bosses and co-workers in the past but never stressed over it, as long as i do my job, and I know I'm doing it well then they can self destruct themselves all they like, because it WILL come back to bite them in the ass.

[Solly]

I think you may be getting fixated on crotch kicking.... :lol:

Are you telling me the bitch doesn't deserve it :gob:

[MotoGirl]

A copy of my job spec and emails confirming that he had without consultation removed responsibilities from me

Employers are great for changing responsibilities without asking for permission aren't they?

I recently got given the task of creating a SharePoint site definition for a client (it's basically a template that determines what is included when a new site is created). I'd never created a site definition before and I also wasn't familar with packaging/deploying Features using Visual Studio.

Naturally my boss only gave me a few weeks to complete the task. OK, I've managed to figure most of it out but that's due to my own intelligence and perseverance. My boss certainly did nothing to help other than bitch and whinge about how she couldn't understand why it is so difficult!

Why do they lay on the pressure for things we've never done before? My job title is "Business Analyst" so using Visual Studio obviously falls outside of that!

[cs363]

Are you telling me the bitch doesn't deserve it :gob:

:lol: Nooo....just wrried that it might be affecting your delicate sensibilities... :rofl:

From the sounds of it she definitely deserves it, but we don't want her having any reason to call the :Police: on Moto Girl! :D

Maybe some phantom biker could rark into her office, give the biatch a swift boot in the nether regions and ride off into the sunset? :scooter:

[MotoGirl]

:lol: Nooo....just wrried that it might be affecting your delicate sensibilities... :rofl:

From the sounds of it she definitely deserves it, but we don't want her having any reason to call the :Police: on Moto Girl! :D

Maybe some phantom biker could rark into her office, give the biatch a swift boot in the nether regions and ride off into the sunset? :scooter:

Good idea but you'll have to bring your bike in the lift to the 5th floor of the building! :rofl:

[RantyDave]

My job title is "Business Analyst" so using Visual Studio obviously falls outside of that!
Yes, yes it does. That's a Software Engineer's job, or fringe sysadmin.

Dave

[cs363]

Good idea but you'll have to bring your bike in the lift to the 5th floor of the building! :rofl:

Hmmm....definitely a job for a scooter riding super-hero-biker then.... :lol:

[MotoGirl]

Hmmm....definitely a job for a scooter riding super-hero-biker then.... :lol:

Heroes can ride scooters? :gob:

[cs363]

Heroes can ride scooters? :gob:


Hmm....yes, I see your point. let's make it a mission for the mormon few then..

I've even knocked up a quick storyboard:


:scooter: :kick: :girlfight: :scooter:

[MotoGirl]

Hmm....yes, I see your point. let's make it a mission for the mormon few then..

I've even knocked up a quick storyboard:


:scooter: :kick: :girlfight: :scooter:

And people think the smileys are just rubbish. That was priceless! :rofl:

[RantyDave]

So, I've just read the thread and you do have to leave.

It's important to remember at times like this that, actually, when people are fighting nobody wins. At best you'll reach an uncomfortable truce. The, actually, worst thing that can happen is that you get fired, take this silly tart to court and win ... because this'll make you think that conflict is a sensible way of life and you'll end up like popelli. All this time your life will be stressful, miserable, you actually have a realistic chance of damaging your mental health in the long term and ... ultimately ... it's not like you get to live again, is it?

So tart up your CV and go fishing. And remember that work should be about seeing how much you can add to the world and not seeing how much you can take from it.

Dave

[MotoGirl]

So, I've just read the thread and you do have to leave.

It's important to remember at times like this that, actually, when people are fighting nobody wins. At best you'll reach an uncomfortable truce. The, actually, worst thing that can happen is that you get fired, take this silly tart to court and win ... because this'll make you think that conflict is a sensible way of life and you'll end up like popelli.

Yes, I think we've already come to the uncomfortable truce you mention. This is why we barely talk to each other. Even when we travel to a client site together she spends the entire trip talking on her mobile.

It does make the environment unpleasant, especially because there are so few of us. There's only one other woman that shares the office with us on a permanent basis, and she's basically friends with both of us. I feel for her because she will be caught in the middle of it. My boss often follows along when she has a smoke break and I often wonder why she has to leave the office to have a conversation with her.

Time to start polishing the CV I think! Thanks for the advice :D

[RantyDave]

emails confirming that he had without consultation removed responsibilities from me
I'm sorry, but this sort of thing really pisses me off. Not only can you not fire someone for being shit at their job; nor can you reduce their pay; but you can't even continue paying them the same amount to not do the job anymore.

If you really really are so damn clever there is a free world out there to become your oyster. Seriously, go do whatever you want: Become rich; Become famous; Improve some aspect of humanity itself because it's all out there, it's all been done by people with the same number of arms and legs as you and we receive daily reminders that it's not impossible.

I'll go find you one now. Here - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2412095/Hi-John-Barack-here/ - a lad who grew up in a state home just had the president of the USA ring him. To talk business, kinda, and just shoot the shit. That could have been you.

I'm sorry, I'll have to stop there. I hope I've made my point.

Dave

[doc]

I'm sorry, but this sort of thing really pisses me off. Not only can you not fire someone for being shit at their job; nor can you reduce their pay; but you can't even continue paying them the same amount to not do the job anymore.

If you really really are so damn clever there is a free world out there to become your oyster. Seriously, go do whatever you want: Become rich; Become famous; Improve some aspect of humanity itself because it's all out there, it's all been done by people with the same number of arms and legs as you and we receive daily reminders that it's not impossible.

I'll go find you one now. Here - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2412095/Hi-John-Barack-here/ - a lad who grew up in a state home just had the president of the USA ring him. To talk business, kinda, and just shoot the shit. That could have been you.

I'm sorry, I'll have to stop there. I hope I've made my point.

Dave

:gob: Your dreaming, it's not like this anymore PC has arrived and is here to stay, cant wind back the clock.

[cs363]

So, I've just read the thread and you do have to leave.

It's important to remember at times like this that, actually, when people are fighting nobody wins. At best you'll reach an uncomfortable truce. The, actually, worst thing that can happen is that you get fired, take this silly tart to court and win ... because this'll make you think that conflict is a sensible way of life and you'll end up like popelli. All this time your life will be stressful, miserable, you actually have a realistic chance of damaging your mental health in the long term and ... ultimately ... it's not like you get to live again, is it?

So tart up your CV and go fishing. And remember that work should be about seeing how much you can add to the world and not seeing how much you can take from it.

Dave


x 2 on that. Taking employers to court is not always the best idea, particularly if you work in a niche industry - word travels and prospective employers may think twice before employing someone who has a record of taking employers to court, no matter how justified it may have been at the time. Unfortunate but true in a small country like ours.

And like RD says, who really wins out of that situation?

OK as a last resort but getting the hell out and improving your lot is definitely the preferred option.

[Solly]

I'm still thinking a good ole kick in the you know where..........that aside, some good advice has been given....so I may as well chip in my 2 cents worth

1. Act rationally [whatever you decide]

2. Never burn you bridges

3. Be professional - always

4. Don't be a "doormat"

and

5. KICK HER IN THE CROTCH!!!!!!!:wari::wari::wari:

[monkeymcbean]

yeesh! I must say reading this im thankful i don't work with or for any women, ive done it, man some are just so screwed in the head, i think its that multi-task attitude, that is such bullshit, you just end up doing lots of stuff by halves and people around you have to pick up after you....like yourself.

[Kickaha]

i think its that multi-task attitude, that is such bullshit, you just end up doing lots of stuff by halves and people around you have to pick up after you....like yourself.

If they learnt to organise properly they wouldn't have to multitask

[Kflasher]

…whose fault is it if I can't make or miss a deadline?...


…paranoia…

My point of view comes from someone that managers-schedules-performance appraises and unfortunately disciplines ones actions.

Doing everything asked of you can go either way, on one hand you would be following instructions blindly; this approach will not be conducive to the already stressed environment you currently find your self in. The better approach of which most employers would expect of you is to indicate clashes in workload and unachievable deadlines and offer a solution or fix to such instances.
If any situation arises, ensure you are accurate in your statements take the time to think of any actions you decide to take.

I have been quoted on my previous comments and in regards to ‘paranoia’ yes this could be true, but only you know how your position or your manager’s demeanor has changed.
As mentioned previously this is your chance to shine, take the initiative action and find the flaws in your current manager and work on those, the issues at work may not be generated from work itself. Assisting beyond the call of duty maybe what is required…

On a personal note I have members of my team spread across NZ to assist in projects of which have chances in falling over if deadlines are not meet. This itself is stressful in regards to scheduling current projects and future workloads; my wife has indicted a change in my approach and shortness in responses, (I am working on this) this could be what you manager is going through.

Rdgs

[MotoGirl]

My point of view comes from someone that managers-schedules-performance appraises and unfortunately disciplines ones actions.

Doing everything asked of you can go either way, on one hand you would be following instructions blindly; this approach will not be conducive to the already stressed environment you currently find your self in. The better approach of which most employers would expect of you is to indicate clashes in workload and unachievable deadlines and offer a solution or fix to such instances.
If any situation arises, ensure you are accurate in your statements take the time to think of any actions you decide to take.

I have been quoted on my previous comments and in regards to ‘paranoia’ yes this could be true, but only you know how your position or your manager’s demeanor has changed.
As mentioned previously this is your chance to shine, take the initiative action and find the flaws in your current manager and work on those, the issues at work may not be generated from work itself. Assisting beyond the call of duty maybe what is required…

On a personal note I have members of my team spread across NZ to assist in projects of which have chances in falling over if deadlines are not meet. This itself is stressful in regards to scheduling current projects and future workloads; my wife has indicted a change in my approach and shortness in responses, (I am working on this) this could be what you manager is going through.

Rdgs

Thanks for that!

I do find that stress affects how my boss communicates. Her emails are barely understandable on a good day due to bad punctuation and not proofing anything. It gets more difficult to decipher them as her stress levels increase then she wonders why I can't understand what she wants.

Edit: You are also right that managing my workload is always my responsibility, even if someone makes it near impossible for me to do so. If I can't manage all the tasks it's my fault; if I have too much work and say nothing it's my fault. When are employers actually accountable for their lack of management and direction?

[FROSTY]

MG A thought here (yes I do occasionally think) This whole reputation thing is very much a two way street.
Remember the movie --The Devil Wears Prada?? It was well known that anybody that could last a year working for that lady was worth employing because she was such a tough boss.

[carver]

Hmm....yes, I see your point. let's make it a mission for the mormon few then..

I've even knocked up a quick storyboard:


:scooter: :kick: :girlfight: :scooter:
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its been done!

[cs363]

its been done!


Oh bugger ......:buggerd: nothings ever really new is it?! :lol:

[carver]

Oh bugger ......:buggerd: nothings ever really new is it?! :lol:

nothing is new to NZ's most notorious stunt crew

[popelli]

I'm sorry, but this sort of thing really pisses me off. Not only can you not fire someone for being shit at their job; nor can you reduce their pay; but you can't even continue paying them the same amount to not do the job anymore.

I'm sorry, I'll have to stop there. I hope I've made my point.

Dave

yes you have made your point

you are firing off making comments without having all the pertinent information

employment leglislation is there to protect workers from being exploited or abused

If i was shit at my job yes they could have fired me, but I wasn't, the head office was more than happy with my work and the previous general manager was also more than satisfied with my performance, the problem was a new general manager was appointed to the company, he fancied himself as a finance manager and decided he could do my job (which he couldn't) and decided to treat me as an office boy

Unfortunately because I am a chartered accountant I am ethically bound to work to professional standards, this was impossible when information was deliberately being with held from me

This was an unworkable situation for all parties, had the general manager been professional and ethical he could have very easily and legitimately made me redundant

He thought he could use his lawyers advice to constructively dismiss me and thus avoid paying redundancy payments.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I had a lawyers letter from her this week offering $1k if I shut up and went away....I said no

good call: bet that interview went something like:
lawyer: "you did what???" "you're screwed - lets try and knock this on the head for you in the most cost effective way possible: give them money to make them go away now, rather than face a contested court/tribunal process and still get done like a dinner plus have to pay me to fight it"

your ex-boss "Fucking hell!, OK then"



so hang in, ramp it up as muc as you can, and get them to pay your costs as well.

[popelli]

Taking employers to court is not always the best idea, particularly if you work in a niche industry - word travels and prospective employers may think twice before employing someone who has a record of taking employers to court,

Yes word travels fast, I was contacted by a recruitment agency and asked what was the problem with this employer

They had placed a person in this role shortly after I left and that person left very quickly

The recruitment agency following their discussion with me declined to put candidates forward to this employer as they realised that it was not in their long term interest or their canditates interests to place professional people in an unprofessional and unethical enviroment.

My advice to anybody in this situation or similar is to leave asap, continuing to work in unsatisfactory work relationships is not worth the effort

However the problem with leaving with no job to go to is how to cover this up on your CV - so find a job - any job first

[awayatc]

NZ has grown a bit....
but it still is a small village.....

[RantyDave]

Oh I so knew you were going to red me.

I am a chartered accountant
So that's a professional qualification. Go get another job.

They had placed a person in this role shortly after I left
See? Told yer.

had the general manager been professional and ethical he could have very easily and legitimately made me redundant
Also true. I have no doubt that your now-ex boss fucked up left right and centre. The whole shitfight obviously cost the company a small fortune in paying salaries of people who sat around pissed off all day, recruitment fees, legal BS etc. etc. etc. Doesn't mean that pitiful bickering is good for either the participants or the economy as a whole, does it?

Dave

[popelli]

I have no doubt that your now-ex boss fucked up left right and centre. The whole shitfight obviously cost the company a small fortune in paying salaries of people who sat around pissed off all day, recruitment fees, legal BS etc. etc. etc. Doesn't mean that pitiful bickering is good for either the participants or the economy as a whole, does it?



agree 100% and yes the ex boss has since been moved on to create disasters elsewhere

this was just one of about 4 or 5 compromise aggreements this company negotiated in about as many months - complete inept managament

getting another job once you are past a certain age is easier said than done, however I have started my own business and have been trading successfully and profitably for over 3 years and have made considerably more money

[cs363]

Yes word travels fast, I was contacted by a recruitment agency and asked what was the problem with this employer

They had placed a person in this role shortly after I left and that person left very quickly

The recruitment agency following their discussion with me declined to put candidates forward to this employer as they realised that it was not in their long term interest or their canditates interests to place professional people in an unprofessional and unethical enviroment.

My advice to anybody in this situation or similar is to leave asap, continuing to work in unsatisfactory work relationships is not worth the effort

However the problem with leaving with no job to go to is how to cover this up on your CV - so find a job - any job first

Agree totally :)

[Mort]

MOSS skills are in strong demand. Your confidence with this bitch will lift when you are receiving calls from agents and employers (clients of yours) who want to talk to you. Get your CV sorted (if you want a totally objective "expert" review - PM me) and get it out there....

In the meantime...


Ask yourself what are the good points about where you work
What are the bad points (OK so that is covered here)
What are you prepared to do - are you prepared to move or commute from Tauranga ?
Do you have alternate BA skills useful to other firms ?
Keep a diary/black book... just in case.
Speak with a career consultant/coach... there may be a way forward where you are (you would find it such a relief if there were - deep down I think you WANT to make this job work)
If you really want to stay...Think about a one to one meeting with the Boss. Prepare a full script and agenda. State clearly what you want as a sucessful outcome. I don't think there is anything impossible here - you are not asking for a massive pay rise or something.... you just want respect , better communication and space to do your job. Be prepared to take and discuss criticism, but stand your ground. A small firm which communicates better will be so much more effective - make sure she realises that.
I bet there aren't that many skilled MOSS practicioners in Tauranga like you. Be proud of what you do and find a way to show that pride (so she sees it)
Think where and what you want to do in 3 years time - can you achieve that in this firm. If yes, its time to sort out these issues (because you won't make it otherwise). If No, its time to leave ASAP


Good luck.

[Solly]

MOSS skills are in strong demand. Your confidence with this bitch will lift when you are receiving calls from agents and employers (clients of yours) who want to talk to you. Get your CV sorted (if you want a totally objective "expert" review - PM me) and get it out there....

In the meantime...


Ask yourself what are the good points about where you work
What are the bad points (OK so that is covered here)
What are you prepared to do - are you prepared to move or commute from Tauranga ?
Do you have alternate BA skills useful to other firms ?
Keep a diary/black book... just in case.
Speak with a career consultant/coach... there may be a way forward where you are (you would find it such a relief if there were - deep down I think you WANT to make this job work)
If you really want to stay...Think about a one to one meeting with the Boss. Prepare a full script and agenda. State clearly what you want as a sucessful outcome. I don't think there is anything impossible here - you are not asking for a massive pay rise or something.... you just want respect , better communication and space to do your job. Be prepared to take and discuss criticism, but stand your ground. A small firm which communicates better will be so much more effective - make sure she realises that.
I bet there aren't that many skilled MOSS practicioners in Tauranga like you. Be proud of what you do and find a way to show that pride (so she sees it)
Think where and what you want to do in 3 years time - can you achieve that in this firm. If yes, its time to sort out these issues (because you won't make it otherwise). If No, its time to leave ASAP


Good luck.

..........and then kick her in the crotch :bleh:

[Headbanger]

Sounds to me like acute sexual tension.

You should seduce her.

[Solly]

Sounds to me like acute sexual tension.

You should seduce her.

Nah....thanks for the offer.........I'm of the opinion the bitch deserves it:blip:

[Headbanger]

Nah....thanks for the offer.........I'm of the opinion the bitch deserves it:blip:

Hate to break it to you but I was referring to the thread starter and her boss....

[Solly]

Hate to break it to you but I was referring to the thread starter and her boss....

Now that I would like to see :bleh: