New governing body to sanction road racing?

[GIXser]

Ok ill be the one putting this up..



Do we need another governing body to replace MNZ ?

[YellowDog]

The road racing campaign and the cheese cutter campaign will need to run hand in hand.

[DEATH_INC.]

Ok ill be the one putting this up..

and ill come stairight to the point..

its Clear from most of the discussions on here we need another governing body to run NZ road racing.. the current one seems stiffeled by a few people .. no more comments needed about that ,i doubt our votes will make any difference and yes i did vote..

so will racers and please racers only or immediate support crew and people invloved in the racing scene vote on this.

Do we need another governing body to replace MNZ ?
Not sure we need another one, maybe just an re-hash of the current system/people? Perhaps a sub-committee for road racing only?

[White trash]

This certainly is a curly one, oh highlighted master of the low side.

Sure, a new body can be formed. But then, you need all the clubs on side to run the events. You need enough riders that are sufficiently fed up with the current situation to join and support it.

If someone WAS to form such a renegade organization, they'd need some pretty wicked sponsorship to launch it. There would also be some FIERCE opposition from our friends in Huntly.

I would imagine that any club supporting the new blood, would be stripped of its MNZ affiliation, thereby leaving its members unable to compete at MNZ events should they so wish.

So yes, it could be done, but it would have to be so squeaky clean and polished that people saw the benefits immediately and had no problem making the change.

All food for thought.

[GIXser]

This certainly is a curly one, oh highlighted master of the low side.

Sure, a new body can be formed. But then, you need all the clubs on side to run the events.

I would imagine that any club supporting the new blood, would be stripped of its MNZ affiliation, thereby leaving its members unable to compete at MNZ events should they so wish.

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So much for a democracy.... i can join two gyms.. as long as i pay my subs..
if that is a fact.. and they did strip ya off afiliation or membership..all the more reason to set another up...

[White trash]

So much for a democracy.... i can join two gyms.. as long as i pay my subs..
if that is a fact.. and they did strip ya off afiliation or membership..all the more reason to set another up...
Oh agreed. I have no doubt there'd be no problem with individuals holding dual membership. It would simply mean belonging to two different clubs.

The simple solution is of course to not have mandatory cub membership t your proposed body. However, then you'd also have to organize and run every single event yourself. Big fucking job.

However, the idea does have merit.

[Wingnut]

I would think it would have to be an "All on board" or not at all situation. Meaning all road racers jump or leave the status quo.

Is it really at this stage? Have all options within the current governing body been explored already?

I know only what has been written here, about the current situation but rushing into a revolution may not be the best course. Could cause more damage than good. If it all goes bad - it could be disasterous for the sport as a whole in this country. Ideas are one thing - for them to evolve into action is another.

Baby steps???

[brads]

Would make voting for Jim kinda pointless,if he gets in?,lets see what he can do first before running off and trying to start something else.

[BJT666]

Would make voting for Jim kinda pointless,if he gets in?,lets see what he can do first before running off and trying to start something else.

Thanks for that Brad.

People it is very obvious there is a lot of dissatisfaction out there, with what is currently coming out of Huntly, but let's not get carried away yet.

Many learned people have looked at this situation in the past and have ultimately backed away. New Zealand has probably 500 to 1000 Road Racers total, it is not enough to support two organisations.

Let's wait and see what happens next weekend.

[cs363]

Would make voting for Jim kinda pointless,if he gets in?,lets see what he can do first before running off and trying to start something else.

Well said. I can understand peoples frustration given recent events that have been well covered elsewhere, but anything like this does need to wait until we see the results of the MNZ elections and assuming we get new blood, what changes they can make.

[Robert Taylor]

Thanks for that Brad.

People it is very obvious there is a lot of dissatisfaction out there, with what is currently coming out of Huntly, but let's not get carried away yet.

Many learned people have looked at this situation in the past and have ultimately backed away. New Zealand has probably 500 to 1000 Road Racers total, it is not enough to support two organisations.

Let's wait and see what happens next weekend.

Thats bang on Jim, its VERY clear that a lot of people ( also in MX ) are VERY unhappy with the current regime. Including the main distributors who have been very offended by certain comments. If there is no change ( and particularly a change of attitude ) its not impossible that they will pull their support.
All the very best to you for the election.

[Mark Pav]

You could set up a new organisation run by the distributors. I'm sure their commercial interests would align perfectly with the interests of all motorcyclists........

[Sidewinder]

and start a mormong race leage?

[cowpoos]

You could set up a new organisation run by the distributors. I'm sure their commercial interests would align perfectly with the interests of all motorcyclists........

I think you are probably right...the distributors do all seem to have more interest/passion for motorcycling motorsport than MNZ do at times of late!!

and it would be in there interests to get as much media coverage and spectator coverage as possible to cover their $$$ support in our series....rather than a wet handshake and being belittled for not giving enough!

They I am sure would concentrate on growing the sport...because without riders they won't have sales...

Maybe a distributer run series with a riders representation might be a go??

[BMWST?]

the new organisation would have to make overtures to the FIM.....MNZ are afiiiated with the FIM right?.So overseas riders may not be able to ride at the "other" race meets

[Mark Pav]

Obviously you guys do not have your irony detectors turned on.

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

what we need is an EFFECTIVE body. Something of which we dont have at the moment.

[Wingnut]

Obviously you guys do not have your irony detectors turned on.

More sarcastic than ironic.......

I am voting no in the pole. But there needs to be a third option in the pole that should read -

No, lets wait and see till the current election is decided and (as brad said) give it a chance to change things for the best.

[cowpoos]

Obviously you guys do not have your irony detectors turned on.
maybe we have ;)

[White trash]

Obviously you guys do not have your irony detectors turned on.
That's ironic ;)

[CHOPPA]

MNZ really are just the Governing Body so really events should be up to private promoters like the ASBK series is run by a promotions company not by motorcycling australia, world sbk is not run by the fim. They make the rules but its not there job to promote events.

A mnz licence is only $100 per year and that covers insurance etc etc if we want them to organise meeting and tv etc it would be much more expensive. Id be happy to pay extra fees because i would prob benefit but the guys that do trail rides for instance aint gonna be keen at the increase

[GIXser]

I think you are probably right...the distributors do all seem to have more interest/passion for motorcycling motorsport than MNZ do at times of late!!

and it would be in there interests to get as much media coverage and spectator coverage as possible to cover their $$$ support in our series....rather than a wet handshake and being belittled for not giving enough!

They I am sure would concentrate on growing the sport...because without riders they won't have sales...

Maybe a distributer run series with a riders representation might be a go??


bang on....

[White trash]

Choppa raises a VERY good point that I hadn't even considered. There needs to be a seperate promoter that runs and organizes the events, Nationals included. I think if someone stuck their hand up and said "I'll do it", you'd get nothing but support from the current committee.

So, who's going to do it?

[scracha]

the new organisation would have to make overtures to the FIM.....MNZ are afiiiated with the FIM right?.So overseas riders may not be able to ride at the "other" race meets
Been covered before. As long as the requirements are met, there's no reason why another organisation couldn't gain FIM affiliation.



if we want them to organise meeting and tv etc it would be much more expensive. Id be happy to pay extra fees because i would prob benefit but the guys that do trail rides for instance aint gonna be keen at the increase

You've basically spelt out the biggest problem there Chopper. Most road racers want it to grow, have MNZ help organise meetings, sort out a proper calendar (to stop event clashes) and organise better coverage and would therefore be happy to pay extra. Most understand the annual fee would have to increase for this too.

[GIXser]

More sarcastic than ironic.......

I am voting no in the pole. But there needs to be a third option in the pole that should read -

No, lets wait and see till the current election is decided and (as brad said) give it a chance to change things for the best.



yep should have had a third option, for the record.. i would probably vote the third option, i simply put this poll up because there "seem " to be a lot of disgruntled people out there.. but when push comes to shove..

[Shaun P]

Choppa raises a VERY good point that I hadn't even considered. There needs to be a seperate promoter that runs and organizes the events, Nationals included. I think if someone stuck their hand up and said "I'll do it", you'd get nothing but support from the current committee.

So, who's going to do it?

What would be better, would be to put a tender out for it

[Hitcher]

The biggest problem that MNZ appears to have is member apathy. I can't see how creating another organisation resolves that issue.

MNZ is, or should be, democratic. Get involved. Get people whose abilities you respect to stand for office. Vote for them.

But I guess that is harder and not as satisfying as standing on the sidelines shouting abuse.

[cowpoos]

Choppa raises a VERY good point that I hadn't even considered. There needs to be a seperate promoter that runs and organizes the events, Nationals included. I think if someone stuck their hand up and said "I'll do it", you'd get nothing but support from the current committee.

So, who's going to do it?
the road racer commisioner and his team...currently do it.

[cowpoos]

But I guess that is harder and not as satisfying as standing on the sidelines shouting abuse.

you mean like politics the world over?

[Shaun P]

yep should have had a third option, for the record.. i would probably vote the third option, i simply put this poll up because there "seem " to be a lot of disgruntled people out there.. but when push comes to shove..


I think everyone agrees changes need to be made, but that can be done within the current infrastructure can it not?

[scracha]

I think everyone agrees changes need to be made, but that can be done within the current infrastructure can it not?
Personally I think not. It's too broken, it's too big and there needs to be a separate organisation focused on road racing IMHO. That said, I'd like to be proven wrong over the next couple of years.

[White trash]

What would be better, would be to put a tender out for it
The thing is, previously it's been the job of the commissioner and his team. And rightly so. However, the current (outgoing) commissioner has done a very good job when you consider this is voluntary position and really, it's a full time job.

If these people were paid, or had to earn a commision on what they secure, then it'd be in their interests to do an awesome job.

[Wingnut]

MNZ really are just the Governing Body so really events should be up to private promoters like the ASBK series is run by a promotions company not by motorcycling australia, world sbk is not run by the fim. They make the rules but its not there job to promote events.

A mnz licence is only $100 per year and that covers insurance etc etc if we want them to organise meeting and tv etc it would be much more expensive. Id be happy to pay extra fees because i would prob benefit but the guys that do trail rides for instance aint gonna be keen at the increase

So with that, I was thinking - why not have a seperate charge for road racing members but then again - there is probably so few members that the increase in funds would be a minimal contribution towards what you are talking about there Choppa.

Also, abit off track but still relevant, couldn't help but be dismayed at what was on the sports channels today: NASCAR - Golf - Indycars - Golf - World Champ MX - Golf - Snowcross - Golf.

Surely the NZ public would rather watch NZ Road/Track racing over some Snow Mobile racing in some other country - which is an event that isn't even run in NZ...

[cowpoos]

Also, abit off track but still relevant, couldn't help but be dismayed at what was on the sports channels today: NASCAR - Golf - Indycars - Golf - World Champ MX - Golf - Snowcross - Golf.


There was some street racing on speedmachine on prime...

[CHOPPA]

Surely the NZ public would rather watch NZ Road/Track racing over some Snow Mobile racing in some other country - which is an event that isn't even run in NZ...

Its our editing that makes it boring! The colour seems real dim its just not exciting... bike rider tv actually done a pretty good job but it would be far better with someone like neil ritchie commentating who knows all the riders etc id rather watch the battle for 10th then watch the leader go around and around as well.

I dont watch much of the NZ car racing cause its boring so i guess thats why people aint interested in the bikes. I think what makes it boring is the commentry to be honest... I would rather watch nascar driving around on yellow with there commentry then watch nz car racing with our commentry

[Wingnut]

There was some street racing on speedmachine on prime...

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:doh:

[CHOPPA]

The TRRS was good as well cause they had 2 guys in the commentry and they showed the rest of the field. Theres nothing to stop them making a 5 min race go for 10 mins because the cameras go back and tape the rest of the field

[Robert Taylor]

You could set up a new organisation run by the distributors. I'm sure their commercial interests would align perfectly with the interests of all motorcyclists........

Not another ''us and them'' scenario, akin to workers and capitalists. To the best of my knowledge making money is not a crime, but it is sneered at by many ''insular'' people in this country. Thats pathetic.
I think most people have worked out that the very presence of the distributors actually enrichens everything. As one small example look at how affordable well set up, well fitted ex distributor bikes have been to purchase. In many plausible and also very many less than obvious ways the distributors help subsidise road racing. FACT.

[ArcherWC]

The TRRS was good as well cause they had 2 guys in the commentry and they showed the rest of the field. Theres nothing to stop them making a 5 min race go for 10 mins because the cameras go back and tape the rest of the field

they could take a few lessons from the AMA Supercross comentary, they get excited by the racing and drag you in too

[Sidewinder]

most bins wins!

[Wingnut]

I think what makes it boring is the commentry to be honest... I would rather watch nascar driving around on yellow with there commentry then watch nz car racing with our commentry

But NZ has Phil Dark in the commentry team!!!! He is so full of enthusiasm and knowledge - I hang on his every word man.:chase:

[avgas]

[] Won't make a bloody difference as morons are in every team

[Tony.OK]

But NZ has Phil Dark in the commentry team!!!! He is so full of enthusiasm and knowledge - I hang on his every word man.:chase:

Hahaa as long as ya don't want yer name to be correct:doh:

Paeroa coverage = Terry Redfield ( Eddy Rotteveel ).....brilliant:niceone:
.......................= Frank Schuler (Franz Schuler )

Had me laughing watching it though...............:bleh:

[Sidewinder]

[] Won't make a bloody difference as morons are in every team

welcome back dude

[Two Smoker]

most bins wins!

Id have that nailed up!

I believe that change needs to be had in MNZ. But we dont need a new governing body. Id be happy to pay more money, as sloan says, for the annual fee to have more coverage and better publicity and marketing.

Chris Sucich

[Sidewinder]

Hahaa as long as ya don't want yer name to be correct:doh:

Paeroa coverage = Terry Redfield ( Eddy Rotteveel ).....brilliant:niceone:
.......................= Frank Schuler (Franz Schuler )

Had me laughing watching it though...............:bleh:

frenchy is easyer to say tho

[brads]

But NZ has Phil Dark in the commentry team!!!! He is so full of enthusiasm and knowledge - I hang on his every word man.:chase:

Yeah,only phil and pav can call a Kiwi an Aussie and a Honda a yamaha!

[scott411]

what is the point of a new organisation, there was only 1 person who put forward there name to be SI road baord member, and if i remember correctly 1 or 2 people who put their name forward for the NI postion last year, who exactly is going to run this new organasation, lot of poeople on here want a say, but like normal very few want to do anything about it,

Road racing gets 2 out of 5 of the board of MNZ at the moment, when they would be luck to have 20% of the membership, i think they get a pretty fair deal,

What Choppa says with MNZ basically being the promotor of the nationals is some of the problem, a promotor needs to step up and take it on for it to go further imo,

[Mark Pav]

Not another ''us and them'' scenario, akin to workers and capitalists. To the best of my knowledge making money is not a crime, but it is sneered at by many ''insular'' people in this country. Thats pathetic.
I think most people have worked out that the very presence of the distributors actually enrichens everything. As one small example look at how affordable well set up, well fitted ex distributor bikes have been to purchase. In many plausible and also very many less than obvious ways the distributors help subsidise road racing. FACT.

Robert, as usual you seem to indicate that anyone who has a divergent point of view MUST be without any knowledge, after all if they knew anything they would agree with you... Thats a form of insularity in itself, and thats not a cheap shot. I had no idea that I had launched a general attack on the Capitalist system . Do you see Reds under the bed often ???
I have had many years ( admittedly not recently ) dealing with more than one distributor involved in road racing and I am not unfamiliar with their involvement and the complexity of their contributions. They are indeed a valuable resource , but once again it is a question of balancing the interests involved. Perhaps it is that you advocate a balance tilted more in favour of the distributors than some other points of view.........

[koba]

The biggest problem that MNZ appears to have is member apathy. I can't see how creating another organisation resolves that issue.

MNZ is, or should be, democratic. Get involved. Get people whose abilities you respect to stand for office. Vote for them.

But I guess that is harder and not as satisfying as standing on the sidelines shouting abuse.

Bang on, As usual.

[Drew]

Changes do need to be made, I dont think a new governing body is requiered though.
For instance, were a motivated team of people inclined to rally support, they could get nominated, and go take over the one we have now democratically.

The increased fee idea...I like it, road racers only even works. Lets face it, if the fee doulbled, on the estimate of 1000 road racing licence holders, multiplied by the extra $100, and $100,000 is banked straight away.

Fuck, sink that entire amount into TV coverage and advertising, and the sport takes a leap forward never seen before.

[Shaun Harris]

Riders are apathetic and that is 90% of the problem we now face

[KS34]

I have mentioned before about a Riders association, I sent emails to people outside of the motorcycle fraternity to help with the setup of this sort of thing but didnt get a response and gave up. One person PM'ed me on here about the idea but I didnt reply as I couldnt see much point if it was only an idea and I didnt know how to execute it. I suppose it would be fair to say Typical Kiwibiker all talk no action! So here goes.... If we did get a riders association together would it get support? Lots of people like myself have some stella ideas but don't have the time or the contacts to execute them. Its like if we got a promoter in to run the rounds and they organised a fantastic event would the event get the support of riders? I know I'm looking at this with my cup half empty but there is truth in it. Firstly I think we need to (as riders) pull our finger out, prove we are worthy of a great event. Look long and hard for sponsers and offer them everything we can, present your team as professionally as possible, race with passion and provide a great show then support, tv coverage will come. Everything takes time and this wont be fixed in a week. I have been chasing sponsors for over four months now and may have something for next year, not what I wanted but I am gonna wait, get well prepared and do things properly. If we all took the LG team lead and start looking at things in a professional manner then I think there will be a light at the end of the tunnel.