Remove your helmet [Archive] - Page 2

rachprice

20th May 2009, 13:40

Well there goes my theory that you were better then them. Turns out you have just as many special needs as them. Diddums

Oh the ignorance!

On topic...sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, I wouldnt care if someone asked me to take it off, I would do it and wouldnt really care that they asked.
I can understand it would make people uncomfortable even if there aren't many people that rob petrol stations with helmet these days, fear is often irrational

Though turns out I don't look so daunting as I have never been asked to take it off the times I have left it on

Thunder 8

20th May 2009, 13:52

Helmet off. No worries. No different than taking your mirror shades off when talking to someone.Just common courtesy really.but then common courtesy is getting pretty short these days, just like common sense.:msn-wink:

Weaver

20th May 2009, 14:07

I don't remove mine. I have a D-ring helemt and can't be bothered undoing then redoing the strap.
Its not like they are doing me a favour or anything. I'm the fucken customer, which alot of places seem to forget.
An attendant at Shell Trentham told me to remove my helmet over the load speaker from the comfort of the counter on morning. I flipped him off, dropped the valve on the ground and rode away. Never been back there.
They have not only lost a customer filling up a bike but I also have a car that cost over $100 dollers to fill up.

steve_t

20th May 2009, 15:29

avgas

20th May 2009, 18:27

I don't remove mine. I have a D-ring helemt and can't be bothered undoing then redoing the strap.
Ahhh you have figured out the DD-slip......don't worry it comes with practice.

I'm supprised so many people on kb haven't just left the tank cap unlocked so that they can get fuel in there quicker.....or traded the gloves in for the old 60's bar mounted mittens. I had no idea they were in such a hurry to get gas

Weaver

20th May 2009, 19:44

I'm supprised so many people on kb haven't just left the tank cap unlocked so that they can get fuel in there quicker.....or traded the gloves in for the old 60's bar mounted mittens. I had no idea they were in such a hurry to get gas

I only remove one of my gloves. I have trouble getting my wallet out of my jacket otherwise. :bleh:

JohnR

20th May 2009, 20:51

It's just stupid that they don't have self-service eftpos pumps available to anyone all the time.

Cos if they did you wouldn't go into the shop and buy drinks and chocolate bars etc (at 50 odd % markup)...just petrol (at 1-2% markup)!:msn-wink:

scumdog

20th May 2009, 21:53

Ahhh you have figured out the DD-slip......don't worry it comes with practice.

I'm supprised so many people on kb haven't just left the tank cap unlocked so that they can get fuel in there quicker.....or traded the gloves in for the old 60's bar mounted mittens. I had no idea they were in such a hurry to get gas

Sounds just like me

Fingerless gloves and a petro-cap that has no lock:bleh:

MarkH

20th May 2009, 23:00

drinks and chocolate bars etc (at 50 odd % markup)

Sounds like a conservative estimate. Even if they buy the drinks & chocolate bars from the same super market that I shop at they would have a margin of 60-100%. That's why I only buy petrol at the petrol station - biscuits, chips, drinks, chocolate bars & icecreams are all way too dear.

BMWST?

21st May 2009, 16:10

Sounds like a conservative estimate. Even if they buy the drinks & chocolate bars from the same super market that I shop at they would have a margin of 60-100%. That's why I only buy petrol at the petrol station - biscuits, chips, drinks, chocolate bars & icecreams are all way too dear.

plus 1 the only time i buy extra at a gas station is when i fill up on a long trip(in the car) i might buy a drink or ice cream or similar

AD345

21st May 2009, 22:01

plus 1 the only time i buy extra at a gas station is when i fill up on a long trip(in the car) i might buy a drink or ice cream or similar

Midnight munchies

avgas

23rd May 2009, 15:16

I only remove one of my gloves. I have trouble getting my wallet out of my jacket otherwise. :bleh:
Besides rhinestones are expensive these days to replace

vifferman

1st July 2009, 08:41

OK, Bumholes.
I needed some petroleum distillates this morning, to stop the flashy thing from flashing. So, when I went to pay, I took my helmet off for a change, and asked The Man, "Does it bother you if bikers don't take their helmets off when they come in here?"
"No - I don't care. None of them ever do, but it doesn't bother me."

So there. :2guns:

:Pokey:

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 08:49

But I find people that wanna get served whilst still wearing a helmet rude.

Only takes a few secs to remove and replace.

Bollox

and

Bollox

Crasherfromwayback

1st July 2009, 08:57

Bollox

and

Bollox

Well to the first Bollocks...actually...I do find people that want ME to serve them with a helmet still on rude. Don't know how you can say Bollox to that.

The second Bollocks...I'll bet you a thousand dollars cash...I can remove my helmet in a few seconds. So dunno how you can say Bollox to that either.

NordieBoy

1st July 2009, 08:59

OK, Bumholes.
I needed some petroleum distillates this morning, to stop the flashy thing from flashing.

If you push the blinker button in it also works.

ManDownUnder

1st July 2009, 09:00

Well to the first Bollocks...

The second Bollocks...
Pete you haven't worked it out yet have you...

... the world revolves around him... !

Bollox

and

Bollox

SC - don't be so fucken inconsiderate and lazy.

Crasherfromwayback

1st July 2009, 09:08

Pete you haven't worked it out yet have you...

... the world revolves around him... !

Nah...I feel a lil sorry for him if he's that unco helmet removal is such a major mission. Makes me wonder how the hell he can ride a motorcycle!!

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 09:12

Well to the first Bollocks...actually...I do find people that want ME to serve them with a helmet still on rude. Don't know how you can say Bollox to that.

The second Bollocks...I'll bet you a thousand dollars cash...I can remove my helmet in a few seconds. So dunno how you can say Bollox to that either.

To the first bollox - you find it rude. It's your convention. You're trying to impose your conventions on customers or other servo owners (most of whom don't seem to give a toss about me keeping my lid on).

To the second bollox - I wear a thin balaclava under my helmet year round (for odour prevention purposes). So going on your argument that would have to come off too. An unnecessary inconvenience for me and any other waiting customers.

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 09:14

SC - don't be so fucken inconsiderate and lazy.

My prerogative - I'm a paying customer.

Your conventions not mine.

Ragingrob

1st July 2009, 09:15

The second Bollocks...I'll bet you a thousand dollars cash...I can remove my helmet in a few seconds. So dunno how you can say Bollox to that either.

Well you did actually say remove and replace. A few seconds? Gloves and all too?

ManDownUnder

1st July 2009, 09:17

My prerogative - I'm a paying customer.

Your conventions not mine.

Au contraire - you don't have to be served at all. There's no obligation whatsoever

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 09:18

Well you did actually say remove and replace. A few seconds? Gloves and all too?

Gloves are a given - you need to take em off to get into your wallet.

But the balaclava and helmet off and on is a pain in the arse that I don't need.

"Convenience" is supposedly a selling point for "service" stations

ManDownUnder

1st July 2009, 09:18

Well you did actually say remove and replace. A few seconds? Gloves and all too?

I can remove mine in a few seconds - and replace it in a few seconds. No need to remove gloves.

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 09:20

Au contraire - you don't have to be served at all. There's no obligation whatsoever

But I have been every time - helmet on. So the vast majority of servo workers have more sense than you.

The minute this becomes a problem my money goes elsewhere

ManDownUnder

1st July 2009, 09:21

The minute this becomes a problem my money goes elsewhere

Oh my God.... noooooooooooo your $15 will BREAK ME! ...now fuck off....

Crasherfromwayback

1st July 2009, 09:22

Well you did actually say remove and replace. A few seconds? Gloves and all too?

Yep. Mind you...I only ever wear unlined race gloves...so can perform said fucntions with them on. And I don't have a smelly head...so don't need a balaclava.

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 09:23

Oh my God.... noooooooooooo your $15 will BREAK ME! ...now fuck off....

Speak to me that way face to face and I will break you.

ManDownUnder

1st July 2009, 09:28

Speak to me that way face to face and I will break you.

I'll still outwit you though - and to paraphrase Churchill - I will heal

... but back to the original point - there is no prerogative to be served wearing a helmet. There is no prerogative to be served at all. I fail to see why this is such a huge point of contention.

A little consideration on both sides solves the problem

Swoop

1st July 2009, 09:33

Gas stations bringing back eftpos at the pump and not being greedy bastards trying to con people into "upselling" you into that mars bar/CD/woman's weekly, would help the issue.

"Servicing the customer". Double entendre...

duckonin

1st July 2009, 09:35

This thread is like others..without an end...

To those that agree to taking helmets off do so, those that don't leave it on simple really, who is paying for the gas in your bike U..:innocent:

SixPackBack

1st July 2009, 09:40

Okay. I can see both points of the argument and have a couple of points I would also make:

I now ask attendants if they mind the helmet staying on. This is done with the visor up, a grin and either cash or card in hand. I do this at diaries and liqourshops as well, but stand in the door and wave. All of the local businesses I frequent know me and are more than happy to sell me their product while I have my helmet on.
Removing my helmet in winter is pointless as I wear a balaclava that looks questionably dodgier than the helmet, removing the balaclava requires me removing my bag, gloves and undoing my jacket.
What about the rain?,,,,as I ride every day taking a helmet off with wet hands, wet helmet results in me frequently getting soaked when re-applying the helmet.
Comments?

Mikkel

1st July 2009, 09:44

Last time I checked there wasn't any laws in effect that forbids you to wear face concealing headgear in a publicly accessible place.

A petrol station is very much open to public access - no matter what company policies and little signs they put up they actually can not enforce a helmet ban. They may refuse to serve you I suppose - but that is a bit late when the petrol is already in the bike. They can not choose to not accept payment for the petrol and then proceed to call you a petrol thief...
Now, if they had their pumps turned off and the petrol was never pumped - that's a different matter.

Never really had any issues, I keep my helmet on - but I have my wallet ready when I enter the store and, of course, greet the guy behind the counter in a friendly manner. Shouldn't be a problem really.

Marmoot

1st July 2009, 10:07

Gas stations bringing back eftpos at the pump and not being greedy bastards trying to con people into "upselling" you into that mars bar/CD/woman's weekly, would help the issue.

Hardly gas stations' decision. This is more likely a "mandate from heaven" (a.k.a., the oil company) that the gas station attendants probably hate as much as we do.

I now ask attendants if they mind the helmet staying on. This is done with the visor up, a grin and either cash or card in hand. I do this at diaries and liqourshops as well, but stand in the door and wave. All of the local businesses I frequent know me and are more than happy to sell me their product while I have my helmet on.
Why waste the time and breath. It would probably take as much time and effort as removing and wearing back your helmet.

Removing my helmet in winter is pointless as I wear a balaclava that looks questionably dodgier than the helmet, removing the balaclava requires me removing my bag, gloves and undoing my jacket.
Try the woolen neckwarmers. They're more practical and doesn't make my face cold at all. Not to mention easier to wear, unless you have a fetish.

What about the rain?,,,,as I ride every day taking a helmet off with wet hands, wet helmet results in me frequently getting soaked when re-applying the helmet.
Hardly an argument. Either your hand will be dry by the time you finish queuing and paying, or there are normally wipe papers by the pump, or there shouldn't be that much water flowing from your hand to your helmet unless you have very sweaty palms.

Just be honest, for most of the against-helmet-removal activists here it's about pride isn't it? It's just that desire of fighting against establishment, isn't it? A vent-out?

Don't be ashamed. It's a common syndrome.
I guess if we're stuborn enough to ride in the rain then we'd be stuborn enough to want to be different from the norms.

Just remember that a little courtesy to the low-paid immigrant service station attendants who are afraid of being robbed and are stuck between you and their bosses might just help cheer up their miserable days every now and then.

ManDownUnder

1st July 2009, 10:13

Okay. I can see both points of the argument and have a couple of points I would also make:

I now ask attendants if they mind the helmet staying on. This is done with the visor up, a grin and either cash or card in hand. I do this at diaries and liqourshops as well, but stand in the door and wave...
Comments?

Bingo! Common sense and courtesy solving the problem. No prerogatives, not absolute expectations, raising the issue that it's inconvenient for the rider... and dealing with it.

Why is this issue so fucken hard for so many people? Other than egos and self importance, what's the big deal?

triple-bee

1st July 2009, 10:21

It happens a lot in the UK cos the place is full of theiving scum, it;s a pain in the arse but it dont take long and if it stops some old dear pissing her nickers then why not :shutup:

Crasherfromwayback

1st July 2009, 10:22

Speak to me that way face to face and I will break you.

Settle down mate...no need to blow a fuse!

SixPackBack

1st July 2009, 10:31

Hardly gas stations' decision. This is more likely a "mandate from heaven" (a.k.a., the oil company) that the gas station attendants probably hate as much as we do.

Why waste the time and breath. It would probably take as much time and effort as removing and wearing back your helmet.

Try the woolen neckwarmers. They're more practical and doesn't make my face cold at all. Not to mention easier to wear, unless you have a fetish.

Oxford balaclavas are the bomb. I wear one with a neckwarmer on really cold days

Hardly an argument. Either your hand will be dry by the time you finish queuing and paying, or there are normally wipe papers by the pump, or there shouldn't be that much water flowing from your hand to your helmet unless you have very sweaty palms.

I can only assume you do not ride in the rain that much, and/or are happy to spend 5 minutes of your busy day drying yourself off.

Just be honest, for most of the against-helmet-removal activists here it's about pride isn't it? It's just that desire of fighting against establishment, isn't it? A vent-out?

You think?....speaking personally its about logic and nothing more. You are seen to stop, fill your bike and wait patiently in line with your cash/card in hand, visor up and a polite'hello' when you are served only to be told to take your helmet off? It defies logic!

Don't be ashamed. It's a common syndrome.
I guess if we're stuborn enough to ride in the rain then we'd be stuborn enough to want to be different from the norms.

Just remember that a little courtesy to the low-paid immigrant service station attendants who are afraid of being robbed and are stuck between you and their bosses might just help cheer up their miserable days every now and then.

'Tis not hard to make it completely obvious to said attendant [from20 feet away] that not only are you not going to rob them but much like themselves you are also an immigrant. Most of us are well aware how we are perceived and how an attendant may veiw us, most of us make sure by our actions that we cause no alarm. gangsters with hoodies, beenies and glasses are questionably more alarming yet no signs exist to police them?
Personally I now ask from a safe distance if the attendant requires me to remove my helmet. The answer is always 'no'.

been_there

1st July 2009, 10:39

I have got in the habit of not removing my helmet.
But as many of the peeps have said wallet is out and ready to pay and nice meet and greet.
Haven't had any issues with all the servo's I have been too in chch.
If they want me to take it off no problem...

BTW - Now that I have said this I have probably just jinxed myself...DOH

one fast tl1ooo

1st July 2009, 10:51

Hey just take off your helmet, i do every time, it not that hard is it, realy

vifferman

1st July 2009, 10:55

... there is no prerogative to be served wearing a helmet. There is no prerogative to be served at all. I fail to see why this is such a huge point of contention.

A little consideration on both sides solves the problem
It's not a huge point for me. I'd prefer to keep it on, as it's one more thing to juggle, but if asked to, I will take it off (without getting huffy and refusing to go back). I've actually modified my routine lately to make it easier when filing up. I used to flip up visor, take off gloves, fill up, take gloves and key in, juggle things around, drop key or glove(s) or wallet, pay, drop stuff, etc etc. Now I leave the key in the ignition with right glove on top. Two less things to juggle. This morning, having taken my helmet off for some face-to-face action with my usual ServingPerson, I found it was a hassle, but useful to explain things if said ServingPerson did find it annoying bikers leaving their helmets on. (I explained anyway: "It's a hassle having to juggle all my gear, and I'd rather not drop my $600 helmet and break it."
Kind of a waste of time anyway, seeing he was indifferent. I suspect though, that he was grateful that so many bikers stop on the way past to fill up. If they are quicker at paying because they don't have to do the helmet/gloves/wallet/keys juggle, then that's a BIG bonus. Them removing their helmets doesn't benefit him one iota.

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 11:49

Settle down mate...no need to blow a fuse!

Read the previous two pages:
When the validity of my argument became evident and his own logic failed him - your friend resorted to first calling me rude and lazy and then told me to "fuck off"....

Fair enough response I'd have thought - just a request that you play the ball not the man

bogan

1st July 2009, 12:09

It's not a huge point for me. I'd prefer to keep it on, as it's one more thing to juggle, but if asked to, I will take it off (without getting huffy and refusing to go back). I've actually modified my routine lately to make it easier when filing up. I used to flip up visor, take off gloves, fill up, take gloves and key in, juggle things around, drop key or glove(s) or wallet, pay, drop stuff, etc etc. Now I leave the key in the ignition with right glove on top. Two less things to juggle. This morning, having taken my helmet off for some face-to-face action with my usual ServingPerson, I found it was a hassle, but useful to explain things if said ServingPerson did find it annoying bikers leaving their helmets on. (I explained anyway: "It's a hassle having to juggle all my gear, and I'd rather not drop my $600 helmet and break it."
Kind of a waste of time anyway, seeing he was indifferent. I suspect though, that he was grateful that so many bikers stop on the way past to fill up. If they are quicker at paying because they don't have to do the helmet/gloves/wallet/keys juggle, then that's a BIG bonus. Them removing their helmets doesn't benefit him one iota.

but if you turn you helmet upside down and hold it by the front, it becomes an handy carry bag for keys, gloves and other such paraphanalia, i think its a sign of courtesy to take the helmet off, and i wear glasses under mine so its probly a bit more hassel for me than most others as well.

ManDownUnder

1st July 2009, 12:13

Fair enough response I'd have thought - just a request that you play the ball not the man

Totally agreement on that one - I did bad (seriously... good call).

I maintain however that I woud have no qualms about losing the $15 (ongoing) of someone demanding the sale be transacted on their terms. If it makes people uncomfrtable then find a solution rather than simply say those asking for a helmet to be removed are wrong and doing it your way.

I am curious - how did my logic fail me?

Indiana_Jones

1st July 2009, 12:22

Normally take it off.

Good to get out of the thing once in a while lol

Sometimes I keep it on if I'm at my local, and they're not bothered. I mean it's got a clear visor which i lift up, hardly trying to hide anything.

-Indy

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 12:24

Totally agreement on that one - I did bad (seriously... good call).

I maintain however that I woud have no qualms about losing the $15 (ongoing) of someone demanding the sale be transacted on their terms. If it makes people uncomfrtable then find a solution rather than simply say those asking for a helmet to be removed are wrong and doing it your way.

I am curious - how did my logic fail me?

Firstly - It's $25 a week on my bike, $9 a week for the wife's scooter and $100 a week with the car. Times that by however many other disgruntled bikers and their family vehicles. Continue with that policy at your own peril I'd suggest.

The logic failed after we had established that your main objection was on the basis of "rudeness" or "laziness" - Again your feeling about a convention of yours. Maybe you don't like people wearing hats at the dinner table?

For the record - I've never been asked to remove my helmet at a gassy nor have I been told to remove a hat (mostly flat caps are my preference) at any fine dining establishment. Either they are not bothered by this convention or they value my patronage more.

Ixion

1st July 2009, 12:55

The logic failed after we had established that your main objection was on the basis of "rudeness" or "laziness" - Again your feeling about a convention of yours. Maybe you don't like people wearing hats at the dinner table?

.

Well, it's a convention a bit more wide spread than just "his".

Try not removing your cap in an RSA sometime.

I was brought up in an age when all men wore hats . And it was considered very impolite not to remove them in appropriate circumstances. Such as when talking to people. So i still remove my helmet, just because not doing so feels really awkward and weird

But, times change.

Moreover, even back in the day (early fifties anyway, as far back as I can remember such matters), the "remove your hat" wasn't absolute.

F'instance, noone ever removed his hat when getting on a tram. Even though y'had to talk to the conductor "One stage, please. thank you" (you did if you sat next to a lady (hah ! - find a seat in a tram - hah !) . The punctilious, maybe even if they stood next to a lady (ladies of course also wore hats, unless they were whores, but never removed them )).

I think the reason men didn't uncover for the tram conductor, was a general acceptance that the transaction was so brief and impersonal . Like the brief and impersonal transaction of paying for petrol. Proffer credit card, point to pump, enter PIN, grunt. Not a word spoken in some cases.

NOWOOL

1st July 2009, 13:12

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 13:13

the brief and impersonal transaction of paying for petrol. Proffer credit card, point to pump, enter PIN, grunt. Not a word spoken in some cases.

Yes yes - true enough. Get to the crux where we can agree old fella.

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 13:20

I agree, the helmet doesn't make a difference: if I shoot a criminal wearing a bike helmet all its going to do is contain the brain fecal matter.

the whole point of taking off your helmet is to identify you if you end up robbing the shop in some way.

don't blame the shop, blame the criminals in your city.

Read the through this thread and the myriad of others like it. It's been covered.

Seriously...you've got my rego, I'm in my wallet ready to give you my EFTPOS card (coz you want me in your shop to buy a 2 for 1 chocolate bar - rather than letting me pay at the pump)....Am I going to rob you? If I were going to, do you think I'll just take my helmet off and wave to the camera? Think man.

Ixion

1st July 2009, 13:21

You and Mr MDU (et al, ant) raised the question of whether leaving ones helmet on was rude and impolite. With the analogy of hats and caps.

I am suggesting that it depends on whether your interaction is sufficient to be deemed a conversation, in which case failure to uncover would be considered rude by people of "my generation" (though not by me , cos I'm generationless); or whether it is simply a transaction , akin to proffering your tram ticket to the conductor. In which case there is precedent, from an age more particular than our own, to say that it is not rude.

The circumstances of each interaction must determine the answer

Whether we agree or not I have no idea.

(EDIT: personally i think the 'you might be a robber' argument is a straw man. The only question in mind is whether it is impolite or not)

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 13:24

You and Mr MDU (et al, ant) raised the question of whether leaving ones helmet on was rude and impolite. With the analogy of hats and caps. I am suggesting that it depends on whether your interaction is sufficient to be deemed a conversation, in which case failure to uncover would be considered rude by people of "my generation" (though not by me , cos I'm generationless); or whether it is simply a transaction , akin to proffering your tram ticket to the conductor. In which case there is precedent, from an age more particular than our own, to say that it is not rude. The circumstances of each interaction must determine the answer Whether we agree or not I have no idea.

Yes but I don't give a fuck about MDU perceptions of what constitutes "rudeness". I wanna buy petrol and the gas station wanna sell me petrol.

mynameis

1st July 2009, 13:26

Get a room you two.

Ixion

1st July 2009, 13:30

Yes but I don't give a fuck about MDU perceptions of what constitutes "rudeness". I wanna buy petrol and the gas station wanna sell me petrol.

Doubtless.

But in such interactions , as in most else, the common civilities of a polite society can make the difference between a pleasant and amicable experience, and the reverse.

The question, still undecided, is whether removing ones helmet in such a situation is part of those civilities. Or an unnecessary and annoying waste of time.

The jury seems no more advanced than it was at the beginning.

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 13:32

Doubtless.

But in such interactions , as in most else, the common civilities of a polite society can make the difference between a pleasant and amicable experience, and the reverse.

The question, still undecided, is whether removing ones helmet in such a situation is part of those civilities. Or an unnecessary and annoying waste of time.

The jury seems no more advanced than it was at the beginning.

The latter - I want gas not a relationship.

bogan

1st July 2009, 13:38

The latter - I want gas not a relationship.

what about the person serving you though? what do they want/deserve? courtesy imo

steve_t

1st July 2009, 13:39

How about if there is a sign asking you to remove your helmet?
Or IF the attendant asks you to? Do you begrudgingly comply? Or tell them to fuck off? Or begrudgingly comply and them tell them it's bullshit and you shouldn't have to and that it's a retarded policy so you'll be getting petrol elsewhere from now on?
At my local Gull (unmanned self service) there is a sign asking for helmets to be removed, along with the usual Turn off your engine, Apply handbrake, Don't smoke signs. As you have to prepay to get petrol, I'm not 100% sure what the thinking is, but I wondered if it's the same sign that they have at their manned petrol stations. I haven't really looked at BP, Mobil etc

Also, as was pointed out previously, not all helmets obscure your face eg scooter/open face helmets.
I do remove my helmet but I was brought up with the whole remove your hat when you talk to people etc. I'm getting more laxed though. I generally take my sunglasses off when talking to people but often I'm outside in really bright sunlight so leave them on... I do sometimes wonder if the other person thinks I'm rude not taking my sunnies off, but then again, more often than not, the other person also has sunnies on :sunny:

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 13:41

what about the person serving you though? what do they want/deserve? courtesy imo

So you reckon the "policy" is about protecting the feelings of their workers?

Silage

1st July 2009, 13:42

The question, still undecided, is whether removing ones helmet in such a situation is part of those civilities. Or an unnecessary and annoying waste of time. The jury seems no more advanced than it was at the beginning.

Well if it was the Bain jury, we would all have had our hug and be at home with a cup of tea (with our helmets on)

How rude!!

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 13:42

vifferman

1st July 2009, 13:55

but if you turn you helmet upside down and hold it by the front, it becomes an handy carry bag for keys, gloves and other such paraphanalia,
True, and it's what I do if I'm doing more than just stopping for a quick tank of gas. F'rinstance, if I needed to browse the shelves in the gas station for food or whatever.

i think its a sign of courtesy to take the helmet off
Yes. But (however!) I thought it was all very well people rabbiting on about what was right, based entirely on feelings or "This is what I think, therefore that should be the law - everyone who disagrees is an arsehole, so there!" However (but!) apart from some sensible people ike sunhunting who'd proffered a viewpoint based on working as service station attendants, the debate seemed a little hollow. So, I thought, "It's all very well me not taking my helmet off because the chap serving me desn't seem to mind, but does he?" I always get the same guy serving me at the place I go to, so I thought I'd better ask. He doesn't care, so I'm going to continue NOT taking my helmet off when making a quick stop for gas, and continue taking it off when I go to the bank, the supermarket, or any other place that requires more than a 10m walk and 3-minute stop.
Apart from anything else, I feel a pillock walking around in my helmet; it has reduced mobility and visibility. I take it off before walking into the orofice, so the other cubicle dwellers are not intimidated, but put it on before going out to my bike IF it is raining.
Y'see, while most of what I do is habit, there is a smidgeon of logic to it, based on careful thought and experience.

RT527

1st July 2009, 14:16

I purchase gas from shell northcross without incident.......'course the first time they ask me to fill my bike on the side stand, or take my helmet off will be the day they receive the bird, a healthy 'fuck you' and the cessation of my patronage.

Watching a customer fill their motorcycle with gas, wait patiently in line with cashflow card in hand and then insist they take their helmet off lacks any know application of logic. So fuck 'em!

so you sit on your bike while filling it? if you do i find that incredibly stupid

bogan

1st July 2009, 14:19

So you reckon the "policy" is about protecting the feelings of their workers?

I have no strong feelings as to where the policy comes from, it may just be higher up management bullshit, but most (or is it all) petrol stations have a no helmets sign up, therefor it is courteous to take the helmets off. Regardless of personal feeling of the gas station attendant, or yourself, you are being asked to do it.

SixPackBack

1st July 2009, 14:37

so you sit on your bike while filling it? if you do i find that incredibly stupid

Oh noes not the saftey nazi's.............yes I sit on my bike and fill up and have done so for close to twenty years.

Swoop

1st July 2009, 14:42

Get a room you two.
How will they pay for it? At the counter, or in the location where the "pumping" of fluids will be happening?:blip:

what about the person serving you though? what do they want/deserve?
Clearasil?

RT527

1st July 2009, 14:48

Oh noes not the saftey nazi's.............yes I sit on my bike and fill up and have done so for close to twenty years.

Aha I didnt tell you not to I only said I find it stoopid, but then that comes from having watched someone catch fire at the pumps whilest sitting astride his bike ....hehe he was so happy that I was there and happened to be in the fire truck filling it up with diesel at the time.....I just picked up one of the windscreen washing buckets with soap and water in it and dumped it in his lap problem over Attendant at the counter had already hit the stop on the pumps so all was good...hehe says a lot for leathers not a mark on him. But hey maybe he was just unlucky that day and your 20 yrs you've been doing it you been lucky, Hell Im not perfect Ive done some stoopid things in my life when I`ve been told not too , Wished I`d listened now.

MarkH

1st July 2009, 15:09

Okay. I can see both points of the argument and have a couple of points I would also make:
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I now ask attendants if they mind the helmet staying on. This is done with the visor up, a grin and either cash or card in hand. I do this at diaries and liqourshops as well, but stand in the door and wave. All of the local businesses I frequent know me and are more than happy to sell me their product while I have my helmet on.
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My comments?
You sound like a very considerate person! If you don't want to take your helmet off and the attendant tells you they don't mind, it is really hard to see where any problem might exist.

Oh noes not the saftey nazi's.............yes I sit on my bike and fill up and have done so for close to twenty years.

Careful - you are going to make people jealous that you have enough coordination to fill your bike and not spill petrol and set yourself on fire.

(Many of the rules are their for the thickest of the thick - to protect them from their stupid selves)

SixPackBack

1st July 2009, 15:12

I strongly suspect the stations do not like individuls sitting on their bike while filling up because of the risk of runners.....it would be easy!

Ixion

1st July 2009, 15:57

.. "It's all very well me not taking my helmet off because the chap serving me desn't seem to mind, but does he?" I always get the same guy serving me at the place I go to, so I thought I'd better ask. ..

Well, a fine mess you got me into, Stanley. I had to get petrol this afternoon so , thinks me, I'll follow Mr Vifferman's example, and ask the attendant what he thinks

So, I fill up, but unlike usual, I leave all my gear on (right pain with glubs I must say)

Rock into the shop bit, still with all the gear on, and ask "Hey, I'm trying to find out what you like. Should I get my gear off?".

Whereupon the young lady behind the counter shrieked and called the manager and now I can't go back to the servo again.

A fine mess for a sweet innocent naive old man like me, and I blame you. Very bad advice there.

Stormer

1st July 2009, 17:26

If I have to remove my lid, then the poor people lined up behind me at the pump have to wait until I put in my radar detector earpiece, put on my helmet, buckle up my helmet, get on the bike, plug in the radar earpiece jack, put on my gloves, turn the key and let the bike go through the start sequence, start the bike, select 1st gear, and then finally ride off.
HA!!

steve_t

1st July 2009, 17:59

... ask "Hey, I'm trying to find out what you like. Should I get my gear off?".

Whereupon the young lady behind the counter shrieked and called the manager and now I can't go back to the servo again.

She was probably a bit scared about the prospect of seeing you naked :laugh:
Or maybe misheard what you said as "Hey, give me all your money, dyke! Or I'll blow your head off" :shit::blink::shutup:

bogan

1st July 2009, 17:59

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 18:14

thats a very good point actually

If you weren't too lazy to actually read the whole thread before posting you'd have seen this point's been made multiple times already.

scumdog

1st July 2009, 18:18

If you weren't too lazy to actually read the whole thread before posting you'd have seen this point's been made multiple times already.

Oh man ,ya musta failed 'TACT 101'...:shutup:

bogan

1st July 2009, 18:19

If you weren't too lazy to actually read the whole thread before posting you'd have seen this point's been made multiple times already.

its 22 pages long, fuck that

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 18:24

Oh man ,ya musta failed 'TACT 101'...:shutup:

A bit hypocritical to preach to others about laziness and helmet removing etiquette when you are both a noob and too lazy to exercise proper netiquette.

bogan

1st July 2009, 18:33

A bit hypocritical to preach to others about laziness and helmet removing etiquette when you are both a noob and too lazy to exercise proper netiquette.

I don't think I ever mentioned laziness coming into it, its a courtesy thing. Though ill admit I'm to lazy now to go back an check whether or not I did, I'm sure someone with the proper netiquette can do that if they feel the need. And in any case, are we actually expected to read the whole thread before posting? Or maybe I should have prefaced my post with a tldr so it could be ignored by all the l33ts round here?

idleidolidyll

1st July 2009, 18:47

I agree with the gas bloke; always take your helmet off when you stop for gas. It's a dangerous job and if thieves steal gas the staff get shit.

HOWEVER: never prepay! If you have your helmet off and they won't release the pump, they are ignorant tossers and you should tell them that and say you're taking your business to a friendly gas station.

Stormer

1st July 2009, 19:20

If you weren't too lazy to actually read the whole thread before posting you'd have seen this point's been made multiple times already.

Yeah, like whatever mate.
Thanks for pointing out my problems...:finger:

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 19:38

Yeah, like whatever mate.
Thanks for pointing out my problems...:finger:

Hee hee - fucked off two people with one post :mad: :angry2:. How efficient.

Where's my red lady man?

BMWST?

1st July 2009, 19:42

Well you did actually say remove and replace. A few seconds? Gloves and all too?
so you pump gas and pay without removing your gloves?

buell

1st July 2009, 19:46

I took the time to read all the posts and all has been said that I wanted to say. I will say this though........ Rules were made to be, Bent, Broken and Twisted. :innocent:
Just don't run out of fuel I say:doh:

Jantar

1st July 2009, 20:07

A bit hypocritical to preach to others about laziness and helmet removing etiquette when you are both a noob and too lazy to exercise proper netiquette.

SD a noob? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Jantar

1st July 2009, 20:10

Here's an idea for those stations that insist you remove your helmet. Ask them to provide an off ground shelf for you to put your helmet on while not wearing it. Also point out the increased hazard to both the customers and the employess if you are required to balance helmet, gloves etc in one hand while correctly dispensing a volatile liquid with the other.

Whynot

1st July 2009, 20:30

It happens a lot in the UK cos the place is full of theiving scum, it;s a pain in the arse but it dont take long and if it stops some old dear pissing her nickers then why not :shutup:

really?
i've never been asked to take mine off ...
i do a lot of the time anyway so i can eat/drink or whatever though.

Ragingrob

1st July 2009, 21:45

so you pump gas and pay without removing your gloves?

That main point I was getting at is that he said remove and replace, then later he said he can remove his helmet in a few seconds. Replacing it must take a further few seconds, increasing his original comment to at least several seconds.

short-circuit

1st July 2009, 22:04

SD a noob? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

No you misunderstand - was referring to the fella that Scummy suggested I had been a bit tactless with...obviously

grusomhat

1st July 2009, 22:10

its 22 pages long, fuck that

22 pages, fuck. Don't you get sick of clicking next page all the time? You know you can set it to 40 post per page?

Ragingrob

1st July 2009, 22:16

22 pages, fuck. Don't you get sick of clicking next page all the time? You know you can set it to 40 post per page?

Most opinions in threads are covered within the first couple of pages anyway then it just repeats over :laugh:

Crasherfromwayback

1st July 2009, 23:03

That main point I was getting at is that he said remove and replace, then later he said he can remove his helmet in a few seconds. Replacing it must take a further few seconds, increasing his original comment to at least several seconds.

You referring to what I said? Sorry mate..when I said I could remove my helmet in a few seconds...I did forget to add AND replace. So for you...I'll say this...I can remove and replace my helmet in a few seconds. You can sit there and argue the diff between a few and several...but really...you should be doing your homework like a good little varsity student.

Ragingrob

1st July 2009, 23:12

You referring to what I said? Sorry mate..when I said I could remove my helmet in a few seconds...I did forget to add AND replace. So for you...I'll say this...I can remove and replace my helmet in a few seconds. You can sit there and argue the diff between a few and several...but really...you should be doing your homework like a good little varsity student.

I'm actually on hols at the mo, so tomorrow I'm gonna go for a ride :Punk:

I do remove my helmet these days as some servos got bitchy about it and I don't have too many options on my commute so now I can't be bothered the hassle of being asked to take it off. I just like arguing the reasons why they're so bitchy about it.

I guess south auckland doesn't exactly have the most trusting servos either :lol:

Crasherfromwayback

2nd July 2009, 10:18

I'm actually on hols at the mo, so tomorrow I'm gonna go for a ride :Punk:

Good for you mate. I get to ride any bike I want anytime 7 days a week!

Delerium

2nd July 2009, 11:04

wow talk about a mountain out a molehill. The only time I have ever had an issue with a gas station was a few years back at gull in kingsland.

Me drives up to pump, presses fill inserts nozzle into tank. Nothing. Me waits. Nothing. Me gets pissed off, gets in car drives to next pump. Me repeats proceedure and the car fills up. Me pays for fuel and leaves. A month later when Im in the south island I get a phone call from parents, We have a letter from gull saying you did fill and drive. They want $80 (i got $40 of fuel) or they will take you to court. Right thinks I, this is bullshit, ill use their own securtiy camera footage against them and they can pay for court costs too. Parents carry on... so we paid it for you. I*&^* says I.

Never been back to that station again.

bogan

2nd July 2009, 12:43

Most opinions in threads are covered within the first couple of pages anyway then it just repeats over :laugh:

as in life, it is just a repition of all things past, and all things to come, circular, like a rainbow.

steve_t

2nd July 2009, 12:49

as in life, it is just a repition of all things past, and all things to come, circular, like a rainbow.

:laugh::laugh: Like sands thru the hourglass....

Mikkel

2nd July 2009, 14:04

I strongly suspect the stations do not like individuls sitting on their bike while filling up because of the risk of runners.....it would be easy!

Unless you can enter the forecourt, fill up and leave again - all at the speed of light then yes you have a point. If there's video cameras in place it wouldn't really matter whether you took the time to put the stand down and dismount before filling up. (Oh, and most tanks are equipped with overflows - so unless you are going further than 20 kms or have a centerstand you'll most likely be spilling petrol at your next stop.).

Let's face it, if the person behind the counter feels slightly intimidated by people not taking off their helmets they're probably not going to try and grab hold of and restrain you if you go to leave without paying.

Little Smurf

3rd July 2009, 21:26

If I'm being a tourist on the back and I'm paying for it then no I will not take my helmet off, the attendants can see that I am literally getting off the bike and coming inside to pay, and have had no dramas to date they just think I'm a good bitch for paying for it :lol:
If I do take off the helmet it's for more than a fil up and pay situation it becomes a social gattering then of course the helmet comes off.:yes:

Sammy12

20th August 2009, 23:48

What were you thinking going to North Cross.... come and visit me at Milford :D
Have only met 1 biker that took his helmet off to pay for fuel and thats only because he lingers for about 30 minutes to chat bike talk.
Currently working for Shell............. Not North Cross.. but they must be the only Shell on the shore to sport the helmet off sign.

Conquiztador

21st August 2009, 06:47

I wear a open face helmet. I take my sunnies off. Never had a problem.

sammcj

21st August 2009, 11:10

When I was 16-17 I used to work for Shell here in CHCH, they told us it was against franchise policy to allow people with helmit / head gear on.

I never adheared to this / asked anyone to remove their helmit as it is a clear crock of shite.

LilSel

21st August 2009, 11:10

If you dont want to take your helmet off.... Then just walk over to the night pay window & pass your card there.... simple :) everybody wins :done:

short-circuit

21st August 2009, 11:14

If you dont want to take your helmet off.... Then just walk over to the night pay window & pass your card there.... simple :) everybody wins :done:

But then how will I rip the cash register off the bench and balance it on my head as I take off down the road on my Trumpet?

Krusti

23rd August 2009, 12:16

I don't have a problem taking my helmet off when refuelling. How else am I supposed to have a smoke while filling up ?

breakaway

23rd August 2009, 14:52

munterk6

23rd August 2009, 22:33

Jesus titty fucking christ, the amount of bitching and moaning in this thread is just absolutely phenominal. take your god damn helmet off. Another minute or so out of your life! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

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I'm motarded

24th August 2009, 08:13

dpex

24th August 2009, 20:51

Hi Fellow Kiwi Bikers,
I went in to Shell Northcross and noted first of all a pool of thick oil about 100 mm across spilled on the concrete, then I noticed there had been a big spill of Diesel which had leaked out some 400 mm from the pump.

I got my fuel, went inside, gave the attendant my cash card and had him say "You have to take off your helmet!" I asked "Why" he said "It makes us feel more comfortable" I said "It is too inconvenient to take it off and put it back on each time I would rather shop where they don't have silly policies like that" He said there is a sign on the door, to which I said "You have my card, just bill me for the fuel and I won't be back". I also said to him "You have a major diesel spill that is actually dangerous and could cause someone with oil on their tyres to crash, you should clean up your forecourt" I got my receipt and left.

Anyone else had this total BS? what robber is going to drive in on an immaculate bike wearing fluoro jacket and helmet and then hold them up after filling up with petrol at 9.30 am on a Sunday?

We need a list of bike unfriendly fuel stations headed by Shell Northcross on the Shore in Auckland. Any others you know of?
Regards,
K-BIKE

You have afluro helmet? Gosh. That's a bit over the top, isn't it?

chef

24th August 2009, 22:49

i think if i left my helmet on the guy will hide or faint in fear. my helmet is to evil made a lady poop her pants while she was crossing the road. might consider leaving it on though it is a bitch take off the gloves take off helmet get cash. and all back on again pain in the arse

chef

24th August 2009, 22:53

I don't have a problem taking my helmet off when refuelling. How else am I supposed to have a smoke while filling up ?

hope you put your siggy out in the petrol puddles or atleast flick it somewhere near petrol :doh:

PrincessBandit

24th August 2009, 23:18

Gerbs

24th August 2009, 23:22

The reason for the disabling of the eftpos at pump service is so people go into their grotty shop and hopefully buy some of their wonderful 2 for one chocolate bars or what have you.

Damn, really can't be bothered trolling thru 24 pages to see if anyone has corrected this.

Reason why Mobil no longer use eftpos at pump is because those terminals are not compliant with the new security standards.
Can't remember what the standard is, I'm sure if you google it, you'll find it.
How many Advantage T7 eftpos terminals do you see these days?
None in my recollection. Why? They no longer meet the required standards, so out they go!
Same with Eftpos at pump. Can still use the Mobil fuel card through them, but thats not eftpos :)

Anyway, stop your whinging and take your f**kin helmet off.
Its polite!
Sure, if its your local servo, and they know you, and you usually wear your helmet in there, mint as. Leave it on.

All servos these days have large "No helmet" signs. And most have something about not straddling your motorbike while filling.
Fair enough - their servo, their rules. If you don't like it, f**k off and find some place that will put up with your temper tantrums.

Yeap, we live in a world where a minority has spoiled it for the majority.
I miss full-service servos.
But times change :bye:

MarkH

25th August 2009, 15:05

Reason why Mobil no longer use eftpos at pump is because those terminals are not compliant with the new security standards.

Wait, are you saying that it is not possible to have eftpos at pump because there is no terminal available that meets the new security standards? Does this mean that every petrol station in the country wants to offer this, but none are able to? How does this match up with the petrol stations that DO have eftpos at pump (like the unattended ones)?

The way I see it is this:
There ARE unattended petrol stations that ONLY offer eftpos at pump - therefore it is possible to offer this feature. Therefore this feature is unavailable not because they can't offer it, but because they choose not to.

Therefore I hereby express doubt as to what you claim the real reasons for Mobil not offering this anymore. Feel free to present evidence to show otherwise.

bogan

25th August 2009, 15:09

used the paknslave fuels once, fucking mission that was, had to fight with the machine to get it to accept my card, jammed it in many times without success, spose if done regularly ud get use to it though.

KrazyGixxerBoy

25th August 2009, 15:12

I take my helmet off, dip my head in the bucket used for washing your windows then I flick my hair around like the woman from those shampoo commercials, that gets them going...:cool:

Shame tho as I have short hair so that prob why they look at me funny??

Haha, I noticed you didn't take your helmet off when you had to crash start your bike after filling it up in Featherston! :clap:

kunoichi

25th August 2009, 15:14

I take my helmet off out of habit really, i guess. I can relate to the tiller, kuz if i had anybody who had their face covered walk into my shop, i'd automatically be alittle bit sus, and then they could kick up a fuss about me watching them! Just take ur lid/hoody/sunnies off and we'll get along just fine!

I'm motarded

25th August 2009, 17:48

Haha, I noticed you didn't take your helmet off when you had to crash start your bike after filling it up in Featherston! :clap:

hahaha true but at least I wasnt the one pushing :bleh:

KrazyGixxerBoy

25th August 2009, 18:04

hahaha true but at least I wasnt the one pushing :bleh:

haha, true...at least I wasn't the one who fell on my face when you dropped the clutch and took off with him still hanging on the back of ya bike! :rofl::rofl:...mmm...Ducati...:whistle:

KrazyGixxerBoy

25th August 2009, 18:07

Back on topic, I usually pay by eftpos so I have to take my gloves off to get my wallet out etc...It's only natural to then take off my helmet... If I have cash, I usually leave my helmet on but if they ask me I'd take it off and not whinge about it on KB. They're just doing their job....In saying that if the guys an arrogant farker, I'd ride the gixxerr into the shop and to a doughnut in front of the counter. :woohoo:

jono035

25th August 2009, 18:30

Reason why Mobil no longer use eftpos at pump is because those terminals are not compliant with the new security standards.

I imagine the reason is more along the lines of 'well we don't make squat from fuel and if we give people a more convenient option that involves them not coming inside then they won't buy any of the stupidly overpriced snacks that prop up our craptastic business model'

If there was an economic incentive for them to refit all of the units to allow eftpos at pump again, then it would be done in relatively short order. eftpos integration isn't exactly rocket science, especially not anymore.

nothingflash

25th August 2009, 18:47

Jesus really - I really doubt that if you've been asked to remove your helmet the guy asked you just for the fun of it. Honestly, if you don't go there next time to buy your $12 worth of fuel, I doubt very much the guy behind the till will give a shit. :whocares:

avgas

3rd November 2009, 11:32

look what I found!!!!
Awesome!

Headbanger

3rd November 2009, 11:36

Always take mine off when I go in to pay - grace them with my little smiling cheery face! lol.

I used to feel bad about holding up cars waiting behind me while I got all my gear back on. I don't any more. They can wait. I'm such a wannabe rebel.

I not only remove my helmet after pulling up at the pump (stuffed if I know why people would want to keep that crap on their heads) But after I have filled up, I push my bike into a park before going into pay. I can't think of any reason why I should be hogging the real estate in front of the pump.