What is acceptable?

[Mom]

There is a reasonably new member of KB that seems to have nothing better to do than troll with pathetic, yet tiresome and at times very unsavoury posts designed entirely to insult and offend. There obviously have been a few of us not that impressed with his posts and he has a number of red reps as a result.

Seems that he is not satisfied with pure trolling now, the sending of personal messages has taken his fancy. Disgusting and pornographic attachments seem to be his new styles. I see he is currently serving a bit of time in the bin, and we can no longer show our displeasure at his posts by way of reputation. Is this enough?

Should someone continue to actually be a member if that is the way they want to contribute? Abuse is one thing, being stupid is another, sending unsolicited/uncensored filth by way of PM must surely be a new low?

I have an open profile, I am a member of LOA and am not the receipient of the PM.

[SARGE]

There is a reasonably new member of KB that seems to have nothing better to do than troll with pathetic, yet tiresome and at times very unsavoury posts designed entirely to insult and offend. There obviously have been a few of us not that impressed with his posts and he has a number of red reps as a result.

Seems that he is not satisfied with pure trolling now, the sending of personal messages has taken his fancy. Disgusting and pornographic attachments seem to be his new styles. I see he is currently serving a bit of time in the bin, and we can no longer show our displeasure at his posts by way of reputation. Is this enough?

Should someone continue to actually be a member if that is the way they want to contribute? Abuse is one thing, being stupid is another, sending unsolicited/uncensored filth by way of PM must surely be a new low?

I have an open profile, I am a member of LOA and not the receipient of the PM.




right ... name and shame Mom.. and if previous banned members are any information.. he will be back with a new login anyway ..

i say Tar and Feather and drag him behind a Harley for a few KM

[Laxi]

right ... name and shame Mom.. and if previous banned members are any information.. he will be back with a new login anyway ..

i say Tar and Feather and drag him behind a Harley for a few KM

on the most pot holed road we can find

[NZ CBR]

yep, name and same.

No need for unwanted harrasment.

:spanking:

[SARGE]

on the most pot holed road we can find

so ... any road in NZ then?

[98tls]

right ... name and shame Mom.. and if previous banned members are any information.. he will be back with a new login anyway ..

i say Tar and Feather and drag him behind a Harley for a few KM And to top things off whilst being towed behind said Harley he has to continually wave.:niceone:

[riffer]

Arrange meeting in meatspace.

Apply liberal application of knuckle to offending mouth.

Problem solved. :niceone:

[Vern]

There is a reasonably new member of KB that seems to have nothing better to do than troll with pathetic, yet tiresome and at times very unsavoury posts designed entirely to insult and offend. There obviously have been a few of us not that impressed with his posts and he has a number of red reps as a result.

Seems that he is not satisfied with pure trolling now, the sending of personal messages has taken his fancy. Disgusting and pornographic attachments seem to be his new styles. I see he is currently serving a bit of time in the bin, and we can no longer show our displeasure at his posts by way of reputation. Is this enough?

Should someone continue to actually be a member if that is the way they want to contribute? Abuse is one thing, being stupid is another, sending unsolicited/uncensored filth by way of PM must surely be a new low?

I have an open profile, I am a member of LOA and not the receipient of the PM.
Yes I agree I don't hide behind a fancy avatar ( because I don't know how to make one anyway) and I use my real name as all I want is to talk to like minded bike people and have learnt a lot by just reading the threads but it is not the place to be rude to other members. Vern.

[Laxi]

so ... any road in NZ then?

yep, pretty much:niceone:


And to top things off whilst being towed behind said Harley he has to continually wave.:niceone:

you know the rule:nono: no waving within 20m of a harley

[Madness]

Not acceptable at all.

Nobody sends me porn.

[Hitcher]

There's a Report Post facility. Also don't be afraid to cut and paste PM contents to your Moderating team.

I suspect that we already have this unnamed-in-this-thread individual in our crosshairs already. The more evidence we have, the easier it is for us to drop-kick wankers like this.

[Gubb]

Surely naming the fuckwit is just going to boost his ego.

I know who you're talking about though. Kick him in the crotch.

[SARGE]

Arrange meeting in meatspace.

Apply liberal application of knuckle to offending mouth.

Problem solved. :niceone:

sign me up .. im already in a shit mood

[Winter]

Name and shame!

My pitchfork needs a good workout!

[SARGE]

There's a Report Post facility. Also don't be afraid to cut and paste PM contents to your Moderating team.

I suspect that we already have this unnamed-in-this-thread individual in our crosshairs already. The more evidence we have, the easier it is for us to drop-kick wankers like this.

yea .. banning them ALWAYS works .. time to get un-PC i say

[Mom]

There's a Report Post facility. Also don't be afraid to cut and paste PM contents to your Moderating team.

I suspect that we already have this unnamed-in-this-thread individual in our crosshairs already. The more evidence we have, the easier it is for us to drop-kick wankers like this.

Lets hope a few more may feel the power and report anything else that happens in this vain. I think sometimes the definition of "abuse" is a little grey. I just wanted to elaborate a tiny bit on what it actually constitutes. There are members that are deeply shocked and offended by things like this that others may think a bit of a laugh.

[thecharmed01]

As a new member, I dont know how qualified I am to comment, but IMHO from a 'new' perspective, it sure puts you off posting when all you get are nasty, derogative comments to posts and thats all you see cluttering up the boards.

Kind of want to think this place has a few grown-ups in and is a nice place to hang out......

[Winter]

does his handle begin with A?

[SARGE]

Kind of want to think this place has a few grown-ups in and is a nice place to hang out......

nah .. thats the OTHER site :rofl:


seriously .. when a n00b rolls in and starts talking shit and harassing people we consider friends .. things can get a touch ugly sometimes .. you'll learn as you level up on KB

[koba]

Strangley talking about bikes and racing on here I never seem to run into any issues...

[Hitcher]

"Abuse" can be described as repeated behaviour that is threatening or unsavoury.

Spineless small-dicked immature wankers who stalk particularly female members via PM or Rep are not wanted on Kiwi Biker. Sometimes they hunt in packs with their equally neanderthal buddies. We don't need them here.

No KB member should feel threatened or unsafe, apart from socially-inept losers as described above.

Don't feel any reluctance in dobbing them into the Mods. Srsly.

[Mom]

No names needed for the purpose and reason of this thread. What do you think is suitable fall out for a member that thinks it ok to do what this member has done? I know what many of us would like to do in person, but on KB, under KB rules, what should be the penalty?

A tiny bit of time in the bin and then supervised access to posting and mods having to hand hold?

Should the member be named and let his forum peers rep him in to oblivion?

[Headbanger]

I feel a bit threatened.......

[Madness]

Srsly

Feeling a bit pumped up tonight Hitch?

[Headbanger]

No names needed for the purpose and reason of this thread. What do you think is suitable fall out for a member that thinks it ok to do what this member has done? I know what many of us would like to do in person, but on KB, under KB rules, what should be the penalty?

A tiny bit of time in the bin and then supervised access to posting and mods having to hand hold?

Should the member be named and let his forum peers rep him in to oblivion?

He (She?) is looking for a reaction,Anything and everything anyone does will feed his (her) ego. Doubt he (she?) cares about "supervised posting" and red repping, its all a trip.

Someone just ban the fucker.

[SixPackBack]

Feeling a bit pumped up tonight Hitch?

Stretching his E-penis for the gals.

[gatch]

Try get his email address, send him something meaningless with an attachment containing a worm, if you know any computer nerds that are down with handing out cyber beatdowns that is..

Cant let fuckfaces like that win..

[Madness]

Stretching his E-penis for the gals.

He is wearing his Birfday Suit(tm) after all.

[SARGE]

He (She?) is looking for a reaction,Anything and everything anyone does will feed his (her) ego.

depends on who tends the attention really ... some\of us are better at negative attention than others ..

[vifferman]

I don't get it.
Kiwi Biker is not a democracy, and no-one has a right to be a member on here. I think there are very few forums of any kind that would put up with unacceptable behaviour like this.
Just ban him.

[Patch]

if the mods had any balls - they'd just ban the fukker, but given this pc bullshit world even arseholes have "rights" . . .

[98tls]

I don't get it.
Kiwi Biker is not a democracy, and no-one has a right to be a member on here. I think there are very few forums of any kind that would put up with unacceptable behaviour like this.
Just ban him. Agreed but,red rep can be dished out by any shithead here,changes nothing fuck i got some the other day for simply posting up my not swapping an old bike for a newer one.....go figure:doh:Abusive pms hell ive had them from members who think there opinions the only one that matters on the interweb.All this is easily fixed by tapping the Ignore button.

[SixPackBack]

Bit of a wwaaaaaahhh 'fest innit!?

At least 50% of the issue is the recipients responsibility. Individuals make a conscious decision on how insulted they feel, how upset they become. If you choose to have a bit of a cry there is always the ignore function or Hitchers e-penis.

[Ms Piggy]

Someone just ban the fucker.

Yes indeed!

[Str8 Jacket]

Bit of a wwaaaaaahhh 'fest innit!?

At least 50% of the issue is the recipients responsibility. Individuals make a conscious decision on how insulted they feel, how upset they become. If you choose to have a bit of a cry there is always the ignore function or Hitchers e-penis.

Except when someone sends you a really sick, bordering on "he should be reported to the Police" for that kind of picture, then he needs to be told to fuck off. Sick fucks like this can end up being a danger to society...

[yungatart]

If it is who I think it is, to my knowledge this person has not posted one post that contributes to KB in a positive way....we really don't need people like that, do we?
Nasty, puerile, vindictive piece of shite, that what he is!

[Mully]

Gah, I don't know who it is. I always miss the juicy bits

*stomps off to trawl forums to come to a misguided assumption about the identity*

[MSTRS]

Gah, I don't know who it is.

It could be a(nybod)y. I can't think why anybody would think the rules don't apply to them.

[cave weta]

right ...I say Tar and Feather and drag him behind a Harley for a few KM


Ooo the shame!!!- couldnt we just tar and feather him and have Carver double him up Queen St?

[Hitcher]

even arseholes have "rights" . . .

I am pleased that you have acknowledged that.

[shafty]

You have my support Mom, I'd agree ban them, they'll soon find some other board on which to make a prat of themselves.

Plenty of humour on here without resorting to that behaviour

[merv]

Except when someone sends you a really sick, bordering on "he should be reported to the Police" for that kind of picture, then he needs to be told to fuck off. Sick fucks like this can end up being a danger to society...

Crikey that sounds like serious stuff Hels.

[Str8 Jacket]

Crikey that sounds like serious stuff Hels.

I was not the person that received it just saw what it was and it made ME sick. There are some seriously screwed up, sick people, other than Jrandom out there!!! :yes:

[Lissa]

The person in question should be banned, just disgusting. :nono:

[Maha]

And Never Ask Red Koalas Inside So There.....:eek:

[Headbanger]

Bit of a wwaaaaaahhh 'fest innit!?

At least 50% of the issue is the recipients responsibility. Individuals make a conscious decision on how insulted they feel, how upset they become. If you choose to have a bit of a cry there is always the ignore function or Hitchers e-penis.


Or, some people are just shit heads who do shithead things.

Blaming the recipient in this case is just fuckin stupid.

[SPman]

even arseholes have "rights" . . .
So, they'd be right arseholes, then....

[Lias]

Someone PM me the offending image please?

[FROSTY]

Mom my personal opinion here. I don't think this is a matter for public discussion.
---Before ya flame me hear me out
1) I feel this is the sort of matter needing to be dealt with by the senior mod team
2) by raising this in a public forum the person concerned may very well gain the very attention they desire.

[ManDownUnder]

Someone PM me the offending image please?

http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/spotlight/bet-blog/assets/2008/12/michael-jackson.jpg

[MsKABC]

Blaming the recipient in this case is just fuckin stupid.

Yes, it would be like saying that being sexually harrassed in a workplace is 50% the victim's fault. Ridiculous.

[madbikeboy]

Okay, my $0.02...

Inappropriate or unwanted attention, sending of unsolicited and offensive pornographic material. I don't understand why this wouldn't get the sender banned.

We signed up for this site because it's a community - I don't want to think people I know and like have to be targets for this behaviour because everyone is too meek and mild to simply ban the behaviour.

There is a responsibility to protect the community.


There is a big difference between banter, or even full out swearing matches, and this level of harassment.

Ban the perp, ban his IP address.

[Winter]

I know who it is! woo!


At least I think I do...

[Ixion]

One man's offensive is another man's pusillanimous.

[MSTRS]

One man's offensive is another man's pusillanimous.

Yes, but we're talking about an individual who sent a woman member a gif image of something guaranteed to disgust the most open-minded woman.

[riffer]

Yeah well, two girls one cup had that affect on a lot of people...


Seriously though. Harrasment should not be tolerated. At all.

[Ixion]

i have known some very open minded women. Is not that what the ignore function is for ?

[SARGE]

Ooo the shame!!!- couldnt we just tar and feather him and have Carver double him up Queen St?

im thinkin both would enjoy it ..

[MSTRS]

Ignore function often not used - at least not until something like this happens. Then it's too late. The point is, an individual who sends such stuff to another member, esp a woman, for no reason other than to offend...well, do we even want such an individual here? I think not.

[SARGE]

Ignore function often not used - at least not until something like this happens. Then it's too late. The point is, an individual who sends such stuff to another member, esp a woman, for no reason other than to offend...well, do we even want such an individual here? I think not.

what happens when someone gets banned?.. 2 minutes later, they have a new login and starts fresh..


tar and feather ... only way

[SARGE]

One man's offensive is another man's pusillanimous.

surfing dictionary.com again?

[MSTRS]

what happens when someone gets banned?.. 2 minutes later, they have a new login and starts fresh..


tar and feather ... only way

You have a point.

[Ixion]

Ignore function often not used - at least not until something like this happens. Then it's too late. The point is, an individual who sends such stuff to another member, esp a woman, for no reason other than to offend...well, do we even want such an individual here? I think not. Yes. We do. Homo sum, et nihil a me alienum puto. And, Facilis descensus Averno. Once one starts down the road of censorship, before long even the best brakes won't hold .

[Mom]

Yes, but we're talking about an individual who sent a woman member a gif image of something guaranteed to disgust the most open-minded woman.

I dare say there would be more than a few men that would find that particular image disgusting as well.

[Madness]

I dare say there would be more than a few men that would find that particular image disgusting as well.

PM the image & I'll tell you.

[MSTRS]

Yes. We do.

No. We don't. I think most of us, if privy to the background, would feel the same. It is not a matter of censorship when an entire section of a community asks for removal of (whatever).

[SARGE]

Yes. We do. Homo sum, et nihil a me alienum puto. And, Facilis descensus Averno. Once one starts down the road of censorship, before long even the best brakes won't hold .

tarring and feathering wont impede free speech .. we can leave the mouth free ... just break a few fingers and set him adrift on an oil barrel covered in seagull treats

[Mom]

PM the image & I'll tell you.

I dont have it, and wouldnt share it if I did. It is objectionable on a level that exceeds my broad mind. Hells teeth, I never found anything as revolting even searching with no safety nets in place looking for images of naughty bitches, man bitches and other naughty things for a little thread I participate in from time to time.

[SixPackBack]

Or, some people are just shit heads who do shithead things.

Blaming the recipient in this case is just fuckin stupid.

I'm calling your Mum [you bad biker you!]:spanking:


Yes, it would be like saying that being sexually harrassed in a workplace is 50% the victim's fault. Ridiculous.

Too right...not nearly enough sexual harrasment in my book.:bleh:


Except when someone sends you a really sick, bordering on "he should be reported to the Police" for that kind of picture, then he needs to be told to fuck off. Sick fucks like this can end up being a danger to society...

.......well ring the cops then..:Police:


I dare say there would be more than a few men that would find that particular image disgusting as well.

I have a feeling that a typical 'bitches are us' thread escaped out of the closet?

[rosie631]

If it is who I think it is, to my knowledge this person has not posted one post that contributes to KB in a positive way....we really don't need people like that, do we?
Nasty, puerile, vindictive piece of shite, that what he is!

I totally agree. Pretty sure I'm thinking the same person as you. He appears to be a total :tugger: I vote ban the arsehole.

[Mom]

I have a feeling that a typical 'bitches are us' thread escaped out of the closet?

What is a typical Bitches R Us thread please?

[MsKABC]

Too right...not nearly enough sexual harrasment in my book.:bleh:


That's just the type of remark I'd expect from you. Well done for living up to my expectations.

[doc]

Faaark it wasn't me was it. Posting under the influence again with the pic of me naked in my daughters Tutu showing off my tat was it ? I was quite proud of that one :msn-wink:

[nallac]

Faaark it wasn't me was it. Posting under the influence again with the pic of me naked in my daughters Tutu showing off my tat was it ? I was quite proud of that one :msn-wink:


pics or it didn't happen....

[SixPackBack]

Who remembers Crashe?.............Crashe was tried and executed online on a similar witch hunt to this. If my memory serves me correctly Crashe faced a similar one sided kangaroo court from some of the same people!
This time is questionably worse:

We do not know the name of the defendant.
We have no evidence.
There is no right of reply.
If this is an online trial the least you lot could do is level the playing field, otherwise get of your collective pedestal.

[doc]

pics or it didn't happen....
If my bike gets me to the next kiwi . For you :niceone: I will wear the evidence. Don't tell anyone tho aye.

[Lias]

Pic removed

Thats not nearly offensive enough to add to my collection dammit :-(

[HenryDorsetCase]

What have I learned today?

I've learned you can attach images in PM's.

So, uh, thanks for that.

[Patch]

PM the image & I'll tell you.


Who remembers Crashe?.............Crashe was tried and executed online on a similar witch hunt to this. If my memory serves me correctly Crashe faced a similar one sided kangaroo court from some of the same people!
This time is questionably worse:

We do not know the name of the defendant.
We have no evidence.
There is no right of reply.

If this is an online trial the least you lot could do is level the playing field, otherwise get of your collective pedestal.

someone just attach/link the dam pm and pic - otherwise this is just going to turn into a 100 post waaaaaaaaaaa thread, if it already hasn't . . .

evidence or its just another tiresome thread with a bullshit foundation . . .

[Trudes]

At the risk of being banned from the Bitches Social group..... I actually didn't find the thing that bad, I've seen a shit load worse on here, and although I understand it was a bit off to send said image to a female via pm so she had no choice but to see it, many of us females on this site demand we get treated the same as the men, so if it was sent to a man in a pm do you think he would have got upset about it.... personally, I doubt it. I understand that the intention was to upset said recipiant..... oh look, it worked. Done.

[Mom]

The reason for this thread is simple. A member sent a revolting pornographic .gif image to another member for no reason other than to shock, offend and upset. It was unprovoked, apart from the troll in question being rebuffed on a General Biker thread. This troll took it to another level.

The question here is simple, what should we as a community expect the punishment to be?

All this other fluff being brought into play is insulting to the member that received the image, and will cause much shame for the poster raising it.

I guess I should state my case. I want him banned, never to post again. There are robust procedures in place to identify banned members re-joining.

I wont name and shame this wanker openly, news filters slowly around the place anyway.

[nallac]

If my bike gets me to the next kiwi . For you :niceone: I will wear the evidence. Don't tell anyone tho aye.

so your pretty safe then...don't you usually turn up on one of the christian bikers bikes?....:bleh:


oops did i say that out loud............

[Gubb]

Who remembers Crashe?.............Crashe was tried and executed online on a similar witch hunt to this. If my memory serves me correctly Crashe faced a similar one sided kangaroo court from some of the same people!
This time is questionably worse:

We do not know the name of the defendant.
We have no evidence.
There is no right of reply.

If this is an online trial the least you lot could do is level the playing field, otherwise get of your collective pedestal.


How can this person be tried by a Kangaroo if
a) They haven't been named. Whose reputation are you hurting there?
b) We do, it just hasn't been shown. Probably because there is no "trial" without a Defendant.
c) Why would they reply if they haven't been named?

[madbikeboy]

The question here is simple, what should we as a community expect the punishment to be?


Expulsion. Ejection. Banning. Removal. Termination.

[Gubb]

Expulsion. Ejection. Banning. Removal. Termination.
And then make him sleep in the wet patch.

[Mom]

At the risk of being banned from the Bitches Social group..... I actually didn't find the thing that bad, I've seen a shit load worse on here, and although I understand it was a bit off to send said image to a female via pm so she had no choice but to see it, many of us females on this site demand we get treated the same as the men, so if it was sent to a man in a pm do you think he would have got upset about it.... personally, I doubt it. I understand that the intention was to upset said recipiant..... oh look, it worked. Done.

I didn't realise I had to have a rider on my posts that defined them as Bitches R Us sanctioned either ;)

I agree with you as it happens, everyone has different levels of what they deem ok and what is not. While you may be a bit more liberal than some, obviously this HAS caused some very real upset, and it needs to be recognised (which it has! before I get spanked for saying nothing has happened) and dealt with.

We have rules about censorship of "rudey" images. There are to be no pink bits on display. Some of us chose not to censor what we can view, some of us do. There are, believe it or not some members that simply never, ever want to be exposed to explicit images, and neither should they be!

The fact is this was an image that someone felt extremely offensive (they are not alone in that either). They did not expect to see something like that in their face opening a PM that they had no reason to expect contained it. Sending it I think stepped beyond a troll, or a joke, it was not on!

[Number One]

Kick him in his hairy balls!

Wait, no...what are we talking about ;)

Oh yeahthat...sorry - but I must be too much of a dirty bitch cos I kinda agree with Trudes on this one and would probably just return the favour and respond with something even more tasteless.

I know, I am just such a filthy bitch AND I should add - I apologise to any innocents I have offended or gotten in trouble...I am a bit of a naughty pic sender myself....I have ceased and desisted...for the most part ;)

[Trudes]

Exactly Number One, why the double standards eh? Pretty sure there were only a couple of guys who got upset about the pics you sent them, and I suspect that the complaints had more to do with the recipiant not liking the sender.
Sorry, I don't get it, but then again, I'm not much of a lady and the only thing that makes me squirm is talk of anal sex (eh Number One).
I know what you're on about Mom, however I have faith that the mods will deal with it appropriately and this thread was not needed unless they do nothing about this person, in which case go hard with the thread and name and shame, however I suspect the person in question knows who they are and are probably getting off in knowing he's upset some people.

[carver]

Ooo the shame!!!- couldnt we just tar and feather him and have Carver double him up Queen St?

Double up?

as long as im on the back!

[MsKABC]

many of us females on this site demand we get treated the same as the men, so if it was sent to a man in a pm do you think he would have got upset about it.... personally, I doubt it.

Just because a bloke may not get upset at being sent an image like that, it doesn't necessarily mean to say he doesn't have a right to be upset by it. Nobody, male or female, deserves to be treated like that and have something so offensive sent to them.

As an earlier poster said - this is a community, and although it is lacking somewhat in terms of it being internet based, I don't think there's anything wrong with a community discussing what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

[Trudes]

Just because a bloke may not get upset at being sent an image like that, it doesn't necessarily mean to say he doesn't have a right to be upset by it. Nobody, male or female, deserves to be treated like that and have something so offensive sent to them.

As an earlier poster said - this is a community, and although it is lacking somewhat in terms of it being internet based, I don't think there's anything wrong with a community discussing what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

So the guys that a certain female member used to send pictures of naked men to in order to piss them off, they had every right to get upset and pissed about it? Funny, I recall a lot of laughter and comments of good job about it at the time.

[MsKABC]

So the guys that a certain female member used to send pictures of naked men to in order to piss them off, they had every right to get upset and pissed about it? Funny, I recall a lot of laughter and comments of good job about it at the time.

Technically, yeah - but I'm not familiar with that episode. I don't think I was frequenting KB much when that was happening. A picture of a naked man is a lot less offensive than the image in question on this occasion though, I think you'll agree?

[Mom]

So the guys that a certain female member used to send pictures of naked men to in order to piss them off, they had every right to get upset and pissed about it? Funny, I recall a lot of laughter and comments of good job about it at the time.

If they were homophobic certainly they could have been upset at the sight of a naked man in their face.

Naked men are far and away removed from what I am talking about.

Frankly, your comparing the naked men thing to that image surprises me :gob:

[Trudes]

Technically, yeah - but I'm not familiar with that episode. I don't think I was frequenting KB much when that was happening. A picture of a naked man is a lot less offensive than the image in question on this occasion though, I think you'll agree?

Yes, however I think the intent was the probably the same, to offend, annoy and get a reaction.

Anyway, I'm going to watch House and have a bath.... no I will not be providing pics, it's bound to offend someone!:msn-wink:

[Trudes]

If they were homophobic certainly they could have been upset at the sight of a naked man in their face.

Naked men are far and away removed from what I am talking about.

Frankly, your comparing the naked men thing to that image surprises me :gob:

Surprise!!! I say again, the image didn't offend me, no it was not sent to me, but if it had been, i probably would have laughed and moved on.

[MsKABC]

Yes, however I think the intent was the probably the same, to offend, annoy and get a reaction.


But fueled by a much sicker mind, I'd be willing to bet ;)


Anyway, I'm going to watch House and have a bath.... no I will not be providing pics, it's bound to offend someone!:msn-wink:

:laugh:

[ajturbo]

Kick him in his hairy balls!

Wait, no...what are we talking about ;)

Oh yeahthat...sorry - but I must be too much of a dirty bitch cos I kinda agree with Trudes on this one and would probably just return the favour and respond with something even more tasteless.

I know, I am just such a filthy bitch AND I should add - I apologise to any innocents I have offended or gotten in trouble...I am a bit of a naughty pic sender myself....I have ceased and desisted...for the most part ;)
bugger...............

[Trudes]

I just realised I didn't respond to this:

As an earlier poster said - this is a community, and although it is lacking somewhat in terms of it being internet based, I don't think there's anything wrong with a community discussing what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

As much as I agree, and personally I think this person should be kicked off, I will repeat two pieces of information about KB that get said very very often...
1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. So yes there is nothing wrong with the discussion, except it probably won't change anything except the growth of the naughty person's head for all the attention.
2. this is the internet, KiwiBiker is a web site, if I don't like what is on it, what I see or read or whatever I have the option of turning the thing off.... vote with my feet (or fingers as the case may be) and leave rather than getting upset about something I can't change.
Ok, that was all a bit deep, it was a most enjoyable bath.:msn-wink:

[MsKABC]

As much as I agree, and personally I think this person should be kicked off, I will repeat two pieces of information about KB that get said very very often...
1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. So yes there is nothing wrong with the discussion, except it probably won't change anything except the growth of the naughty person's head for all the attention.
2. this is the internet, KiwiBiker is a web site, if I don't like what is on it, what I see or read or whatever I have the option of turning the thing off.... vote with my feet (or fingers as the case may be) and leave rather than getting upset about something I can't change.
Ok, that was all a bit deep, it was a most enjoyable bath.:msn-wink:

Yes, good points actually.

[DMNTD]

1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. So yes there is nothing wrong with the discussion, except it probably won't change anything except the growth of the naughty person's head for all the attention.
2. this is the internet, KiwiBiker is a web site, if I don't like what is on it, what I see or read or whatever I have the option of turning the thing off.... vote with my feet (or fingers as the case may be) and leave rather than getting upset about something I can't change.

...and or use the 'ignore button'.

[Trudes]

...and or use the 'ignore button'.

That works also.

[madbikeboy]

I just realised I didn't respond to this:


As much as I agree, and personally I think this person should be kicked off, I will repeat two pieces of information about KB that get said very very often...
1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. So yes there is nothing wrong with the discussion, except it probably won't change anything except the growth of the naughty person's head for all the attention.
2. this is the internet, KiwiBiker is a web site, if I don't like what is on it, what I see or read or whatever I have the option of turning the thing off.... vote with my feet (or fingers as the case may be) and leave rather than getting upset about something I can't change.
Ok, that was all a bit deep, it was a most enjoyable bath.:msn-wink:

Respectfully, I disagree.

There are social boundaries that need to be respected. I worked for a major mobile phone operator for a number of years - the balance was between censorship, protection for people, and freedom of speech. The decision around what was acceptable was decided early on this country, and there are rules and guidelines for usage policies.

Extending the argument to the net - the net is the wild west. Truly, with safe search off, you can find just about every fetish you can think of - but this is a motorcycle site, and the membership deserves a modicum of protection from unwanted and unsolicted pornographic material, or bullying for that matter. This is a community, I keep saying it - when we meet in places and see each other f2f, we build on the sense of community here.

Without basic rules and protection against unwanted and unsolicited objectional material, then in place of freedom of speech, the opposite happens for the recipient - their rights and protections disappear.

Number One has sent me rude images, but they have appropriate given the context. The situation described has caused offence, the intent was to cause offense... The difference should be clear.

It is my view that, while I don't want a nanny state here on KB, we should offer protection in line with societal norms.

[Ixion]

Respectfully, I disagree.

There are social boundaries that need to be respected. I worked for a major mobile phone operator for a number of years - the balance was between censorship, protection for people, and freedom of speech. The decision around what was acceptable was decided early on this country, and there are rules and guidelines for usage policies.

Extending the argument to the net - the net is the wild west. Truly, with safe search off, you can find just about every fetish you can think of - but this is a motorcycle site, and the membership deserves a modicum of protection from unwanted and unsolicted pornographic material, or bullying for that matter. This is a community, I keep saying it - when we meet in places and see each other f2f, we build on the sense of community here.

Without basic rules and protection against unwanted and unsolicited objectional material, then in place of freedom of speech, the opposite happens for the recipient - their rights and protections disappear.

Number One has sent me rude images, but they have appropriate given the context. The situation described has caused offence, the intent was to cause offense... The difference should be clear.

It is my view that, while I don't want a nanny state here on KB, we should offer protection in line with societal norms.

A biker site in line with societal norms is a contradiction in terms. The reason bikers are bikers is because they don't subscribe to those norms. If you do, go buy your Toyota Corolla and leave us alone.

And this site is not a community. We've been through all that. It's a web site nothing more. Once upon a time, it was a community, or growing toward being one. That got killed off. It's a web site No more, no less.

[Mom]

The ignore function is a useful tool for when members get up your nose for whatever reason. All very well for people to spout "use the ignore fuction" here. Imagine if your first real encounter with someone was a disgusting image in your face. All very easy to say use ignore. Too late for that then eh!

[Katman]

Half of you were baying for my banning not that long ago.

HTFU.

[Rhino]

Reading this thread, I find it a little unusual in that the person(s) baying for blood is/are not the individual who received the offensive PM. :doh:

If the PM was as bad as some would have us believe, this should be sorted in private and only three entities should be involved:

1. The recipient of the PM.
2. The moderators.
3. The sender of the PM.

Having a "discussion" on here and calling for tar and feathers will achieve bugger all. :nono:

PS: SPB, I agree with your comments re Crashe. MJS (Marsupial Justice System.) :niceone:

[SARGE]

Someone PM me the offending image please?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01018/frog_1018270a.jpg

[SARGE]

Expulsion. Ejection. Banning. Removal. Termination.

tar .. feather .. seagull treats

[FJRider]

Give him a fair hearing by his peers ... (us) ... then burn the prick ...

[jrandom]

Half of you were baying for my banning not that long ago.

Yes, but you got better.

I note that nobody has commented on the legality of the picture in question; whether it falls within NZ censorship laws, etc.

Still, either way, this sort of kerfuffle is what comes from allowing wimminfolk onto the interwebs. Nothing good can come of such libertine disregard for propriety.

:nono:

[madbikeboy]

A biker site in line with societal norms is a contradiction in terms. The reason bikers are bikers is because they don't subscribe to those norms. If you do, go buy your Toyota Corolla and leave us alone.

And this site is not a community. We've been through all that. It's a web site nothing more. Once upon a time, it was a community, or growing toward being one. That got killed off. It's a web site No more, no less.

I couldn't own a Jap car if you paid me to.

Ixion - there is a sense of community. I went to the NAS ride, everyone sitting around and chatting as an extension of KB. Swarm Rides, same deal. There is a certain amount of swings and roundabouts, I've helped and been helped.

So, you're suggesting that we're all fringe elements, sitting around in caves, eating raw meat off the bone? There's a wide cross section of people here, engaged in all sorts of activities.

Respectfully, this thread got started by someone who is a good moral compass - she is holding up behaviour which is abhorrent.

[Trudes]

The sender of the image in question has not been on KB long and I don't believe has any intention of becoming a part of the "community" apart from being the village idiot.

[The Stranger]

Still, either way, this sort of kerfuffle is what comes from allowing wimminfolk onto the interwebs. Nothing good can come of such libertine disregard for propriety.



Or as an alternative they could start an anti-social group of their own where they could all go and bitch and moan so it didn't spill over into the main forum.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Who remembers Crashe?.............Crashe was tried and executed online on a similar witch hunt to this. If my memory serves me correctly Crashe faced a similar one sided kangaroo court from some of the same people!
This time is questionably worse:

We do not know the name of the defendant.
We have no evidence.
There is no right of reply.
If this is an online trial the least you lot could do is level the playing field, otherwise get of your collective pedestal.



Reading this thread, I find it a little unusual in that the person(s) baying for blood is/are not the individual who received the offensive PM. :doh:

If the PM was as bad as some would have us believe, this should be sorted in private and only three entities should be involved:

1. The recipient of the PM.
2. The moderators.
3. The sender of the PM.

Having a "discussion" on here and calling for tar and feathers will achieve bugger all. :nono:

PS: SPB, I agree with your comments re Crashe. MJS (Marsupial Justice System.) :niceone:


Or as an alternative they could start an anti-social group of their own where they could all go and bitch and moan so it didn't spill over into the main forum.

I agree with all of these posts. What is the the site saying show us the pics or it didn't happen.

[MSTRS]

1. KiwiBiker is not and has never been a democracy. True. But there are rules that the members must follow. Otherwise we'd have anarchy.



It is my view that, while I don't want a nanny state here on KB, we should offer protection in line with societal norms.Which is precisely what the mods are here to assure.



And this site is not a community. KB is many things, to many people. One of those things is 'a community'. At least for those members who treat it as such.


Half of you were baying for my banning not that long ago.
And the other half still are :msn-wink:
JR has covered that quite nicely
oh goody (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129218756&postcount=19) a renaissance?

[Cajun]

some people really need to HTFU, and take a chill pill, and get over themselfs, and get off there high horses.

Some members should also look at themselfs and there groups actions before they start whining about others actions. (this is a site problem where groups of people target other users)

But honstly this is minor end of scale, for christ sakes i know of members who have threated other memebrs of this site, with physical harm or there bikes/propierty, and they are still posted here today.

There has only ever been 4 people banned from this site totally, 3 of the 4 where banned by spank, he is the only one who really right to ban anyone, and does not really believe in banning unless nothing else can be done. the 4th was a member who was stalking his ex across the site, and whoever she talked to on the site.

Every forum world over has fuckwits/troll/idiots, just like real life, and honstly most of these people do it get a rise out of people, and when you bite thats what they wanting, and then the continue.

And honstly this is between the mods, the person who sent the pm, and the person who recieved. No one else period.

Its being dealt with by the mods.

Thats the end of it.

If we banned everyone that a group of people did not like, the member list of this site would be half of what it is, and not the dymanic site it is today.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

some people really need to HTFU, and take a chill pill, and get over themselfs, and get off there high horses.

Some members should also look at themselfs and there groups actions before they start whining about others actions. (this is a site problem where groups of people target other users)

But honstly this is minor end of scale, for christ sakes i know of members who have threated other memebrs of this site, with physical harm or there bikes/propierty, and they are still posted here today.

There has only ever been 4 people banned from this site totally, 3 of the 4 where banned by spank, he is the only one who really right to ban anyone, and does not really believe in banning unless nothing else can be done. the 4th was a member who was stalking his ex across the site, and whoever she talked to on the site.

Every forum world over has fuckwits/troll/idiots, just like real life, and honstly most of these people do it get a rise out of people, and when you bite thats what they wanting, and then the continue.

And honstly this is between the mods, the person who sent the pm, and the person who recieved. No one else period.

Its being dealt with by the mods.

Thats the end of it.

If we banned everyone that a group of people did not like, the member list of this site would be half of what it is, and not the dymanic site it is today.

Well said and to true oh wise one. :2thumbsup. Moving on.

[Maha]

I agree with all of these posts. What is the the site saying show us the pics or it didn't happen.


Well said and to true oh wise one. :2thumbsup. Moving on.

You do remember the Crashe thread eh? and what you guys had to say about it at the time? I have just had a read of the first few pages of that thread and can I suggest you do the same?

If either of you had received the moving image of...lets say 'a close up of a mans cock rooting a kids doll' ...truthfully, how would you feel?

That is, in my book, way over the line.
And for Cajun to say ''this is minor end of scale'' is pretty fucked, wheres your head at Neil? you have seen the image right?

Moderators, do you will with this post I dont give a shit!

[Mrs Busa Pete]

You do remember the Crashe thread eh? and what you guys had to say about it at the time? I have just had a read of the first few pages of that thread and can I suggest you do the same?

If either of you had received the moving image of...lets say 'a close up of a mans cock rooting a kids doll' ...truthfully, how would you feel?

That is, in my book, way over the line.
And for Cajun to say ''this is minor end of scale'' is pretty fucked, wheres your head at Neil? you have seen the image right?

Moderators, do you will with this post I dont give a shit!

I would report it to a mod put the person concerned on my ignore list and move on. I would not want someone else putting a post up on my behalf if i don't have the balls to do it myself.

[Lula]

Name and shame.

What if he (she) turns up to a ride with one of these horrific pictures!

[MSTRS]

Name and shame.

What if he (she) turns up to a ride with one of these horrific pictures!

Unlikely. This sort typically hide behind the keyboard with this sort of thing, and if/when confronted f2f are embarrassed for their actions online.

[The Stranger]

If either of you had received the moving image of...lets say 'a close up of a mans cock rooting a kids doll' ...truthfully, how would you feel?



I admit it, I laughed at Juzzers avatar.

[Patch]

All Rise
http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/1025500/1025871_dccb_625x1000.jpg

[PirateJafa]

All Rise

I'll see you and raise you another five.

<img src="http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8409/kangaroocourtod2.jpg">

[The Pastor]

Yes, but we're talking about an individual who sent a woman member a gif image of something guaranteed to disgust the most open-minded woman.
lol was it www.meatspin.com?

[The Pastor]

Holy crap batman!

Is this discussing a PM without the permisson of the sender? INFRACT THERE ARSE!

[FJRider]

The sender of the image in question has not been on KB long and I don't believe has any intention of becoming a part of the "community" apart from being the village idiot.

I thought that position was taken by a few in Hamilton ... :chase:

[FJRider]

Yes, but you got better.

I note that nobody has commented on the legality of the picture in question; whether it falls within NZ censorship laws, etc.

Still, either way, this sort of kerfuffle is what comes from allowing wimminfolk onto the interwebs. Nothing good can come of such libertine disregard for propriety.

:nono:

We all get better... :devil2:


Legalities are seldom an issue with most on site ... unless it suits... :beer:


Are you trying to reduce the numbers in your fan club ... or do they like it when you're pulling their tit ... ?? :innocent:

[BMWST?]

i dont know of anything to do with the thread(s) people, or images.BUT the fact it was PM and NOT on a thread is grounds for considering it differently IMHO.....

[The Stranger]

i dont know of anything to do with the thread(s) people, or images.BUT the fact it was PM and NOT on a thread is grounds for considering it differently IMHO.....

How so?
Just enquiring if you think it makes it better or worse or how you feel it should be treated/considered different is all.

[BMWST?]

How so?
Just enquiring if you think it makes it better or worse or how you feel it should be treated/considered different is all.

Reading a thread is one thing you can possibly see the trend where things are going.A PM is PERSONAL and you get no prior warning,apart from the senders name,what may be contained within.Its conduit is The KB website(community)

[enigma51]

The sender of the image in question has not been on KB long and I don't believe has any intention of becoming a part of the "community" apart from being the village idiot.

He will have to stand in the queue and thats a very long line

[Strike]

.."And Justice For All".... Well said Cajun:2thumbsup

[Number One]

Not asseptable! (http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/13/supernanny_narrowweb__200x352.jpg)

[Str8 Jacket]

She said ass... :laugh: