Speed limiters in NSW

[Big Dave]

Oh-oh.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25504164-5006009,00.html

["D" FZ1]

That would make driving fun wouldn't it. Imagine if they fitted them to our bikes. A good selling point for a new YZF-R1. $24k to do 100 kph :niceone:

[Skunk]

Oh, so now drivers can spend even least time thinking about driving while behind the wheel. Cool.

Retards...

[Gubb]

Whats the point if the driver just has to push a button to override it? Just one more thing to be distracted by.

[Slyer]

Nonono, this is PERFECT.
Maybe they'll realise that speeding isn't the primary cause after all when speed limited cars still end up crashing at the same rate.

[Marmoot]

True


"We believe this technology could have the potential to save lives which is why we're carrying out this very important trial. The technology could also help motorists avoid speeding fines.

Say they were to have 2 or 3 more fatalities where speed limiter has been installed, surely this would point to speed NOT being a determining factor in road accidents and saving lives.
In fact, it may indeed bring out the hypothesis that they have been looking at the wrong direction and should instead trial a period with no speed limit to see if there is any change in the trend.

Good luck NSW.

P.S.
But of course the spindoctors in the government would most likely try to shift the blame from the speed limiters to external factors in the crashes.

[cold comfort]

Any independant study has proved speeding per se is not the major cause of crashes (generally round 8%). Its scary they believe their own propaganda!. It would be great as you say to show them the crash rate will remain largely unaltered. However if its able to be overridden and not retrofitted it just will never happen. And as for losing all that revenue? It really would be a case of putting your money where your mouth is!

[Skyryder]

As a blanket device fitted to all cars I'd say it's a no no. But it could be imposed say on learner drivers for a given time or used by the courts for recidivist speedsters etc.

But on the other hand if the device has a manual over ride what's the point?

Skyryder

[cowpatz]

Dont be fooled. The manual overide is a means of pacification so as to get the idea off the ground and "accepted" by the "willing" public. Once it becomes accepted the manual overide will be removed. Remember the promises when speed cameras were first introduced to NZ...fixed and visible and only a small percentage of the top offenders ticketed...yeah right.

[Big Dave]

Dialing in cruise control on a vehicle fitted with one does take away some of the 'angst' of country driving.

Throttle use is pretty important to controlling a motorcycle though. The GPS cutting it out could be not a good look.

It's when 'compulsory' is used near a concept that Ixion starts to steam.

[longwayfromhome]

Typical NSW Cop behaviour...power-possessed beings. I grew up in NSW and for us the cops there are Nazi's...infamously unreasonable, an embarrassment to the populace. Certainly in my day they were regarded as scum....living 10 years in America, it was a shock to see cops held in some reasonable regard and consequently acting like human beings.

NSW police also have a tremendous hold on State Governments of all colours. Their policy for years has been to:
a. Attribute an accident to speed, even when its not. The classic case cited is a car stopped at a red light being run into by the following car who didn't see the light or them...police said this accident was due to speed because they were going too fast to stop when they realized there was a car stopped in front of them!
b. ....and consequently, have a policy of constantly reducing speed, based upon the high proportion of accidents where speed was a factor.

I was in Sydney on the weekend...the 80kph crawl on the expressways around town is enough to drive you to drink.

BTW, the Vickswegian feds aren't much better...some of you may remember the incident some years ago with the cops leading/escorting a group of bikes thru Melbourne on the way to the GP, then the riders getting tickets for 3mph over. Nice.

[Harvd]

This shit makes me sick!

people are going to die anyway! why the hell do they think they need to control peoples lives like this? right what even if it worked and saved 3 people are they going to put a net up under all the coconut trees to stop them killing people? And Detooth sharks? and put water wings on all people who go swimming?

Bloody pollies!

[TLDV8]

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[Laxi]

This shit makes me sick!

people are going to die anyway! why the hell do they think they need to control peoples lives like this? right what even if it worked and saved 3 people are they going to put a net up under all the coconut trees to stop them killing people?
Bloody pollies!

typical coconut tree in cairns, pc rules the world:devil2:

[The Stranger]

a. Attribute an accident to speed, even when its not. The classic case cited is a car stopped at a red light being run into by the following car who didn't see the light or them...police said this accident was due to speed because they were going too fast to stop when they realized there was a car stopped in front of them!
b. ....and consequently, have a policy of constantly reducing speed, based upon the high proportion of accidents where speed was a factor.



And how is this different to NZ?

[jimbo600]

Just fit a GPS Blocker

http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/tiny-anti-tracker-gps-blocker-in-car-use/

GPS device rendered useless.

[Harvd]

typical coconut tree in cairns, pc rules the world:devil2:

Say it isnt true!

Its Begun!

[skidMark]

In cases of emergency there is an override system whereby the driver can either flick a switch or floor the accelerator to disable the safety device and put the car back in manual control

rightyo...

and to the people saying oh whose gunna buy a new r1 for 24k if it only does 100kph...

ahhh thats the speed limit...

the bike manufacturers figure you take it to the track to take her up to 300kph...

new r1 is cheap in comparison to others anyway

ie a 2009 cbr1000rr without ABS will set you back 28k.

[munterk6]

bugger it, Im getting a servant to drive me around so he can get tickets and I wont!

Oh, hangabout....that would mean Im putting my life in the hands of some other idiot.

Maybe I will just carry on doing what I always do, the old rotating rego plate trick :bleh::bleh::bleh:

[Forest]

This reminds me of something that I read about the Nissan GT-R.

In Japan all cars are required to be fitted with speed limiters. When the GPS in the GT-R detects that you've taken the car onto a race-track it tells the ECU to disable the speed limiter and you can use the full performance of the vehicle.

[gwigs]

Just fit a GPS Blocker

http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/tiny-anti-tracker-gps-blocker-in-car-use/

GPS device rendered useless.

Jimbo is onto it...lots of clever buggers out there would find a way to beat the system...:devil2:

[McWild]

Come on guys this is really worrying because no one has ever removed a speed limiter from any bike ever!

[Muppet]

A speed limiter isn't going to stop drunken assholes driving through red lights or stop signs

[chrispy121]

the major problem with this is after all of the cars have these fitted and they will probably cost more to the consumer to be put in the car.
the Govt will then look at how they will get back the truckload of revenue they collect hiding behind the speeding causes accidents.

more tax on petrol anyone?

[skidMark]

bugger it, Im getting a servant to drive me around so he can get tickets and I wont!

Oh, hangabout....that would mean Im putting my life in the hands of some other idiot.

Maybe I will just carry on doing what I always do, the old rotating rego plate trick :bleh::bleh::bleh:


rotate until balance point? :msn-wink:

[skidMark]

A speed limiter isn't going to stop drunken assholes driving through red lights or stop signs


Coul just ban alcohol...

and freedom of speech...

and make hard to get licenses...

which is choice because then they all get the bus...

which means more buses to kill us...

it's a vicious cycle.

[Brian d marge]

I have one!

Royal Enfield produce them and I have one of those !

but I would like to retro fit one in the car ,

Judge , you were speeding
me . nope
you were
nope I have a newfangled device that says NO
Judge , well who are we going to get our speeding tax from
Me , ... Dunno mate, isn't coming from me


Politician, sits up in bed with cold sweats realizing that they are going to have to fund the police from a different tax source

KFC shares plummet over night


Stephen

[Gummie]

Ah yes speed kills propaganda...

If they are fitted to cars, they can somewhat honestly says speed wasnt a factor.
So in point it must of been driver error.
So then its not there fault people are being idiots on the road because the nana state:spanking: has stopped them speeding.
dont forget they already put us through a rigorus training to get our licences anyway.

2 cents

[twotyred]

Oh-oh.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25504164-5006009,00.html

and the UK.... how long till we follow?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article6262108.ece

[Laava]

Just imagine pulling out to overtake that annoying twat you have been following at 95kmh for the last 10 k's!

[Pixie]

Any independant study has proved speeding per se is not the major cause of crashes (generally round 8%). Its scary they believe their own propaganda!. It would be great as you say to show them the crash rate will remain largely unaltered. However if its able to be overridden and not retrofitted it just will never happen. And as for losing all that revenue? It really would be a case of putting your money where your mouth is!

They would just change their speil from "exceeding the speed limit" to "unsafe speed for the condition"

[Pixie]

And how is this different to NZ?

It's not.
Because our cops get their traffic policy via a hotline to Monash University.
You didn't actually think they originated any of it did you?

[MarkH]

Dont be fooled. The manual overide is a means of pacification so as to get the idea off the ground and "accepted" by the "willing" public. Once it becomes accepted the manual overide will be removed. Remember the promises when speed cameras were first introduced to NZ...fixed and visible and only a small percentage of the top offenders ticketed...yeah right.

Nope, they will never get rid of the manual overide. But they will probably fit a transmitter that alerts the authorities of the use of the overide. You will have to fill out forms in triplicate explaining why you used the overide - if they don't accept your excuse then they will give you a ticket. They need to take your money off you somehow!

[xwhatsit]

They would just change their speil from "exceeding the speed limit" to "unsafe speed for the condition"
Isn't that a better thing? It's a hell of a more accurate description and it might focus their efforts a bit better.

[Swoop]

A speed limiter isn't going to stop drunken assholes driving through red lights or stop signs
But the authorities do not care about those risks.
"Speed kills" is all that matters to those idiots...

[miSTa]

Isn't that a better thing? It's a hell of a more accurate description and it might focus their efforts a bit better.
Yes it is but this speed limiter is not going to stop people going to fast for the conditions.

I heard a few adverts recently on the radio implying that going faster than the speed advisory signs for corners is also considered speeding. Can only hope the speed limiters aren't programmed those speeds too!

[xwhatsit]

Yes it is but this speed limiter is not going to stop people going to fast for the conditions.
No it won't -- which hopefully will (like Marmoot said earlier) cause the government to shift its focus from `all speeding is bad' to `use your brain and drive to the current conditions.'

[Brian d marge]

SOEs . Speeding fines , the profits go to ? its an indirect tax . ( user pays)

So if u dont want to pay , dont use it and if enough do it, the Man will panic ( we owe a bucket load of money, and are deparatly looking and ways to pay it back !!!~)

Sorry officer , see that on the dashboard , ..well how do I break this to you gently ..... [R RATED]NO MORE DOUGHNUTS [/R RATED]:third:......:Police:


Stephen

[SPman]

98% of all road deaths happen at or below the legal speed limit

http://www.roadsense.com.au/facts.html

[cc rider]

It's not.
Because our cops get their traffic policy via a hotline to Monash University.
You didn't actually think they originated any of it did you?

Your right about the MUARC - Monash Uni Accident Research Centre. They do like to get involved with other countries road issues, including NZ. Nosey bastards.



This shit makes me sick!
people are going to die anyway! why the hell do they think they need to control peoples lives like this? right what even if it worked and saved 3 people are they going to put a net up under all the coconut trees to stop them killing people? And Detooth sharks? and put water wings on all people who go swimming?

Bloody pollies!

I've got nice floaties - nothing wrong 'bout that :woohoo:

[SARGE]

....living 10 years in America, it was a shock to see cops held in some reasonable regard and consequently acting like human beings.

in the State of Ohio where i grew up.. we have these beautifully maintained long rolling expressways.. 5 lanes wide on either direction.. speed limits are 75 mph out of built up areas. .. you would regularly see long (5-10 car) "trains" .. all doing 90-100 mph...


right past the state cops.

The Troopers attitude for the most part there is " as long as its done 'reasonably' its all good ...1 car doing 100.. darting in and out of traffic WILL be pulled over and ticketed.. 10 cars doing the same thing in the fast lane with safe spacing usually wont get a look.

[lankyman]

That's fucken dangerous. For instance if you're pulling out to do a shady passing manouvre, a car comes sailing around a corner towards you, and just as you stomp on the gas to get in front of the car you're passing your bloddy speed cutter kicks in.

[lankyman]

...1 car doing 100.. darting in and out of traffic WILL be pulled over and ticketed.. 10 cars doing the same thing in the fast lane with safe spacing usually wont get a look.

Yea, would be nice if cops here used some common sense in these sorts of situations. But sadly not. :Police:

[SPman]

The Troopers attitude for the most part there is " as long as its done 'reasonably' its all good ...1 car doing 100.. darting in and out of traffic WILL be pulled over and ticketed.. 10 cars doing the same thing in the fast lane with safe spacing usually wont get a look.
We found the same in Nevada and Arizona........

[Racer X]

We found the same in Nevada and Arizona........

I found the <i>opposite</i> on Wednesday night, $120 fine for doing 117kph on the motorway, in a late model car, going with the flow of traffic (cop got me with laser).

I try to respect the police, I really do, but when they give out tickets for bullshit like this, and don't even investigate most stolen cars or burgleries it very quickly removes any of this respect I may have had.

[Brownstoo]

This idea is fucking stupid. Not only would everyone driving become more of a zomie, the pol pol would also lose a lot of revenue (if there was a way that it could actually work), but it won't:


In cases of emergency there is an override system whereby the driver can either flick a switch or floor the accelerator to disable the safety device and put the car back in manual control.

This feature alone means it won't work. If I wanna go fast, I turn the fucker off.

Also don't a lot of cars allready have a 'warning' light/buzzer, ones from china/japan anyway?
My bike's got a "speed" light, dunno what it does though coz there's no bulb

[Big Dave]

If you approach it from a 'cruise control' angle it's not so bad. Perfect as I am I may have missed a speed sign once.

If it's Big Brother incarnate it's spooo key.

[MarkH]

If you approach it from a 'cruise control' angle it's not so bad. Perfect as I am I may have missed a speed sigh once.

If it's Big Brother incarnate it's spooo key.

I would actually like that feature if it was user programmable. Maybe let me set it to allow up to 5kph over the limit then only go faster if I open the throttle fully or push a button. Of course I would want to be able to turn this feature on/off at my discretion. It could save me speeding tickets and for that it would be very worthwhile.

I also agree - if it is government mandated and always turned on then it can fuck right off!

[BMWST?]

I would actually like that feature if it was user programmable. Maybe let me set it to allow up to 5kph over the limit then only go faster if I open the throttle fully or push a button. Of course I would want to be able to turn this feature on/off at my discretion. It could save me speeding tickets and for that it would be very worthwhile.

I also agree - if it is government mandated and always turned on then it can fuck right off!

my 1990 car has a programeable "limit" feature that Beeps at a preprogrammed speed..I think this is a silly idea.Imagine being at the head of a queue of cars behind a slow truck when you come to a uphill passing lane.

[MarkH]

my 1990 car has a programeable "limit" feature that Beeps at a preprogrammed speed..I think this is a silly idea.Imagine being at the head of a queue of cars behind a slow truck when you come to a uphill passing lane.

Why would it be a problem? Just hit the overide and go for it. Besides which - a slow truck uphill could be swiftly passed without even needing to exceed the speed limit.

[EJK]

I have a speed limiter and it's called redline.

[gwigs]

I have a speed limiter and it's called redline.

Mines limiter is a little voice that says "you could loose you,:spanking:re license for this"