I can't hassle Ducati owners any more...

[madbikeboy]

Well, the 1198/1098 sure is a nice piece isn't it? I mean it's slow in comparison to a Gixer Thou; but it really has something, doesn't it.

It's skinny, and I found that I slid forward onto the strangely pointed tank, but they're an experience to ride...

So, apologies to all you amateur mechanics (AKA Ducati owners) that I've offended by mocking.

Hmm, how come KTM can't get the throttle to work like a Ducati?

MBB

[Crisis management]

Hmm, how come KTM can't get the throttle to work like a Ducati?

MBB

The flow characteristics of a 75 degree vee twin make it impossible to produce the same consist fueling characteristics of a 90 degree vee twin...I mean everyone knows that!



At least all the 990 owners do......



As for getting a ride on a 1098, barsteward. :bash:

[hayd3n]

1098 nice:jerry:

[aahsv]

Well, the 1198/1098 sure is a nice piece isn't it? I mean it's slow in comparison to a Gixer Thou; but it really has something, doesn't it MBB

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2009-literbike-shootout-88218.html
"I’m convinced that with equal resources of time and expertise for set-up, the Duc would’ve left the Four from Japan crying in their Asahi beer. But, with several thousand dollars worth of extra goodies, it damn well better be the best!":bleh:

[johan]

How come we don't see more of them at the tracks if they are that good?

[Gremlin]

Hmm, how come KTM can't get the throttle to work like a Ducati?
:slap: Coz then it wouldn't be a KTM any more, it would be a bloody Ducati, wouldn't it? :stupid:

How come we don't see more of them at the tracks if they are that good?
I believe, having spoken to someone riding an RC8, that it walks right on by the 1098, drafting isn't really necessary apparently... :niceone:

[imdying]

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2009-literbike-shootout-88218.html
"I’m convinced that with equal resources of time and expertise for set-up, the Duc would’ve left the Four from Japan crying in their Asahi beer. But, with several thousand dollars worth of extra goodies, it damn well better be the best!":bleh:Ah huh... :rolleyes: And if Suzuki produced a $34000 GSXR-1000, they'd wipe the floor with the 1198.

[Winston001]

We could argue this forever - and will! - so here is another comparison from Motorcycle.usa for times on various tracks http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/9/475/Motorcycle-Article/2008-Superbike-Smackdown-V.aspx

The whole article on all 5 bikes is worth reading but the essence of it is two of the five writers - who have a racing pedigree - picked the 1098.

Why am I not surprised........:first:

[madbikeboy]

Ah huh... :rolleyes: And if Suzuki produced a $34000 GSXR-1000, they'd wipe the floor with the 1198.

$34k buys the entry level one, it doesn't get interesting until $41k - 1098R.

If you took a GSXR1000 and spent money on carbon wheels, full Ohlins, Brembos all around, Yoshi everything else, you'd still be able to fly to Vegas for one hell of a weekend with drugs and hookers...

But, the 1098/1198, it is a class act...

[Cajun]

1098S is more than $41k(ohlins etc) , the 1098R more like $70k
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/View/New/DUCATI-1098-R-2009/33400.aspx?Ne=1&N=4294967237

[johan]

But the R model is not legit in NZ superbike rules from what I've understood, so you can't really race it.

If you were to race a S model, then again the NZ rules stop you from changing the most basics chassis stuff that seems to be the norm at other places where they are being raced. (if I'm reading the NZ rules correctly)

So are they just overpriced poser machines built for the street?

Not even the $70k R model comes with the chassis setup the corse RS bikes are using.

(Don't get me wrong, I'd love to trash one at a track, but there must be a good reason no one does it?)

[Cajun]

But the R model is not legit in NZ superbike rules from what I've understood, so you can't really race it.

If you were to race a S model, then again the NZ rules stop you from changing the most basics chassis stuff that seems to be the norm at other places where they are being raced. (if I'm reading the NZ rules correctly)

So are they just overpriced poser machines built for the street?

Not even the $70k R model comes with the chassis setup the corse RS bikes are using.

(Don't get me wrong, I'd love to trash one at a track, but there must be a good reason no one does it?)

check this out 1098r vs 1098rs --> http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2009/03/ready-to-race-ducati-1098r-vs-bsb-spec.html

[madbikeboy]

1098S is more than $41k(ohlins etc) , the 1098R more like $70k
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/View/New/DUCATI-1098-R-2009/33400.aspx?Ne=1&N=4294967237

Ah, you're right...

I'd be looking at the base 1098/1198. Going to Bologna in a month to see the factory... I'll ask them why the R is so damned expensive for so little extra return...

[Cajun]

Ah, you're right...

I'd be looking at the base 1098/1198. Going to Bologna in a month to see the factory... I'll ask them why the R is so damned expensive for so little extra return...

1098 is old mate, the 1198 is new model

Be plenty of 1098 around second hand i would think if ya would go down that route instead.

[imdying]

$34k buys the entry level one, it doesn't get interesting until $41k - 1098R.Yikes :eek:


If you took a GSXR1000 and spent money on carbon wheels, full Ohlins, Brembos all around, Yoshi everything else, you'd still be able to fly to Vegas for one hell of a weekend with drugs and hookers...1x Oriental 1k IL4, $22k
BST wheels, $8k
Ohlins front $16k
Ohlins rear $3k
Yoshi everything $6k

A $55,000 GSXR1000. Nice :lol:


But, the 1098/1198, it is a class act...I can't totally agree. I has a lot of pretty elements, but it ultimately just looks like a tarted up 916, and a bit rushed to market. I expect that it'll have brought them enough time and R&D revenue for the next one to be a real corker though :yes: It's a bit sad when most of the loveliness comes from the bolt ons that come with it, rather than the bike itself.

/edit: Probably the best thing going for the 1098 series is that it's pretty conventional looking, at a time when the Japs are trotting off down some really weird routes... ZX10R indicators anyone? :puke:

[pritch]

How come we don't see more of them at the tracks if they are that good?

The ones I watched on TV at Kyalami this week were doing OK.
:first: and second ain't too bad.

I never used to rubbish Ducati owners, I always regarded them as unfortunate in some vaguely unexplained way. Now I are one.

[Forest]

Ah, you're right...

I'd be looking at the base 1098/1198. Going to Bologna in a month to see the factory... I'll ask them why the R is so damned expensive for so little extra return...

Economists call it the law of diminishing returns.

[aahsv]

Ah huh... :rolleyes: And if Suzuki produced a $34000 GSXR-1000, they'd wipe the floor with the 1198.

Ah huh....:rolleyes: think they spent abit more than $34k, still struggling :msn-wink:
http://www.moto-live.com/motogp/en/standings/index2009.shtml

[imdying]

Heh, nice try, but I don't think anyone is ignorant of how much Ducati (*cough* tobacco money *cough*) spend on their racing :msn-wink:

[98tls]

Heh, nice try, but I don't think anyone is ignorant of how much Ducati (*cough* tobacco money *cough*) spend on their racing :msn-wink: Nice........:doh:run outta bling.Methinks they will have to spend more at the end of this season.:niceone:

[flame]

I never used to rubbish Ducati owners, I always regarded them as unfortunate in some vaguely unexplained way. Now I are one.

But S4R's are the shizza! there's something about them that just wants your bum to be ON IT! Im afraid to peek under my Gixxer's cover these days in case its rotted away LOL.

[Insanity_rules]

Well, the 1198/1098 sure is a nice piece isn't it? I mean it's slow in comparison to a Gixer Thou; but it really has something, doesn't it.

It's skinny, and I found that I slid forward onto the strangely pointed tank, but they're an experience to ride...

So, apologies to all you amateur mechanics (AKA Ducati owners) that I've offended by mocking.

Hmm, how come KTM can't get the throttle to work like a Ducati?

MBB

Appology accepted. You know I find that Duc's are well down in the power stakes on paper but something in the formula works just right and I don't have any issue keeping up with bikes that theoretically should be able to toast me. And the way it lays down the power its got is just bliss.

I see you have discovered the Ducati position. I even experienced it on a monster which looked totally upright. I'd even go as far to say that I find the tank position very comfortable and right. I have a theory that the position lends itself to the handling and that you use more of your body to control the bike.... but its just a theory.

[glice]

Ah huh... :rolleyes: And if Suzuki produced a $34000 GSXR-1000, they'd wipe the floor with the 1198.

maby on paper, but once you get riding its a whole new game.
Who was it that won sbk last year with the bike that weighd the most, lowest straight line speed and least power...on paper. japas are straight line bikes, dukes go round corners.

[johan]

What would happen if inline fours were allowed to be 1200cc as well in WSBK? Would the twin make it up in the corners?
Would the extra power be usable power or too much (tyre wear etc)?

[imdying]

maby on paper, but once you get riding its a whole new game.
Who was it that won sbk last year with the bike that weighd the most, lowest straight line speed and least power...on paper. japas are straight line bikes, dukes go round corners.Ahhhh :laugh: You can keep trying the SBK card on as much as you like, but given that they always alter the rules to give twins an easy time after Ducati has a little cry, it hardly holds much water... yep that's right, Ducati tobacco money doing it's thing once again.

You would be better putting their MotoGP championship win on a pedestal. Admittedly it's just the one, but at least it was earnt on a level playing field.

[Bend-it]

But S4R's are the shizza! there's something about them that just wants your bum to be ON IT! Im afraid to peek under my Gixxer's cover these days in case its rotted away LOL.

Both an S4R and a gixxer... you bastard... :2guns:



I see you have discovered the Ducati position... I'd even go as far to say that I find the tank position very comfortable and right.

Well, if there aren't any tender bits there to squish, I guess you'd be comfortable eh? :)

Which makes them a girl's bike then! Oooh, very comfortable for the girles, I'd imagine... :laugh:

[flame]

Both an S4R and a gixxer... you bastard... :2guns:

Girls cant be Bastarrrrrds.....I must be a Biatch! LOL




Which makes them a girl's bike then! Oooh, very comfortable for the girles, I'd imagine... :laugh:

of course :bleh::shutup::msn-wink:

[LBD]

But S4R's are the shizza! there's something about them that just wants your bum to be ON IT! .

YES:banana:


Appology accepted. You know I find that Duc's are well down in the power stakes on paper but something in the formula works just right and I don't have any issue keeping up with bikes that theoretically should be able to toast me. And the way it lays down the power its got is just bliss.

I see you have discovered the Ducati position. I even experienced it on a monster which looked totally upright. I'd even go as far to say that I find the tank position very comfortable and right. I have a theory that the position lends itself to the handling and that you use more of your body to control the bike.... but its just a theory.


Its the Torque.

And the S4Rs position suits me just fine.

[Insanity_rules]

Both an S4R and a gixxer... you bastard... :2guns:



Well, if there aren't any tender bits there to squish, I guess you'd be comfortable eh? :)

Which makes them a girl's bike then! Oooh, very comfortable for the girles, I'd imagine... :laugh:


Steady on there big fella. The tank cradles the stomach not the softies. Girlies who own Ducati's have impecable taste but like the whole Ducati family are enthusiastic riders. Never met a softcore Duc rider EVER!

BTW If your after a batton measuring contest you post a photo first and then I'll do the same!

[mikeey01]

Im afraid to peek under my Gixxer's cover these days in case its rotted away LOL. :2thumbsup

Was that literally, financially or both? :rofl:

[Bend-it]

BTW If your after a batton measuring contest you post a photo first and then I'll do the same!

Fine... I hate to make you feel bad, but since you asked...

Those girls over there were playing to the tune of my "baton"... ;)

[Sparky Bills]

I would be interested to ride an 1198 and a gsxr1000 back to back to see which is actually faster...

I rode a 1098R (which has the 1200cc motor) at Manfeild a while ago and can say out of all the bikes ive ridden in my life (which is a shite load as anyone who knows me will tell you), its by far one of the fastest... no shit!
AND it stopped on a dime. One finger braking.
The 1198 would be an amazing bit of kit if you ask me.
And yes I am VERY bias to Ducati :bleh:

[NighthawkNZ]

Girls cant be Bastarrrrrds.....


Well they can depending on if you use the orginal meaning of the word... child born out of wed-lock ;)

[Bend-it]

Shoudn't be the chilren who are called bastards since really, they had no say in it... The parents are the bastards...

[glice]

Ahhhh :laugh: You can keep trying the SBK card on as much as you like, but given that they always alter the rules to give twins an easy time after Ducati has a little cry, it hardly holds much water... yep that's right, Ducati tobacco money doing it's thing once again.

You would be better putting their MotoGP championship win on a pedestal. Admittedly it's just the one, but at least it was earnt on a level playing field.

baylis won on the 999 when all the bikes had the same capacity? I doubt theres much between budgets. I am biased though. As someone said earlyer, you cant be a half arse duke fan.

[johan]

Here's a pretty good attempt of building a race replica! It's got all the good parts :drool:

http://tiny.cc/Jas9N

[NighthawkNZ]

I can't hassle Ducati owners any more...

I can, have, and will... then again I hassle every one

[flame]

:2thumbsup

Was that literally, financially or both? :rofl:
literally.....from lack of use and lovin.


Well they can depending on if you use the orginal meaning of the word... child born out of wed-lock ;)
oh shit...:shit: didn't think of it that way. I guess I am one then!:doh:
nothing too much wrong with hassling Ducati owners.....some of us deserve it:bleh: and we are SO MUCH more fun to hassle than Honda owners :msn-wink:

[Brett]

check this out 1098r vs 1098rs --> http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2009/03/ready-to-race-ducati-1098r-vs-bsb-spec.html

Interesting read. US$125K gets you a bike that makes 200hp with full ohlins etc. but can only do 1500kms on one engine with one rebuild included at 750kms then it is finished and another needs to be sourced at US$22,500.

Shit, I know it is a Ducatti but c'mon, you could build at least 2 Jappa bikes such as a GSXR or R1 with higher specs and much much much better longevity and still have change for spare part when you bin it.

Even if I had the cash, this just does not make sense to me.

[Insanity_rules]

Fine... I hate to make you feel bad, but since you asked...

Those girls over there were playing to the tune of my "baton"... ;)

:clap: Priceless but check out mine.............

[Insanity_rules]

and we are SO MUCH more fun to hassle than Honda owners :msn-wink:

Not to mention sexy, fun, intelligent and wild.

[SlowHand]

I can, have, and will... then again I hassle every one

You need to learn to stand up to yourself

[madbikeboy]

I would be interested to ride an 1198 and a gsxr1000 back to back to see which is actually faster...

I rode a 1098R (which has the 1200cc motor) at Manfeild a while ago and can say out of all the bikes ive ridden in my life (which is a shite load as anyone who knows me will tell you), its by far one of the fastest... no shit!
AND it stopped on a dime. One finger braking.
The 1198 would be an amazing bit of kit if you ask me.
And yes I am VERY bias to Ducati :bleh:

Okay, this is going to piss some people off.

In terms of power and acceleration -my GSXR kills the Ducati 1098 - it's not even close. I'd be more than willing to do a standing start, and a roll on if anyone wants to see this. The Ducati has a very tall first gear. Drop a tooth or two on the front, and it'd be closer.

In terms of race track - getting the power down with the GSXR is tough, takes a pretty competent rider to ride it at 10/10ths. I think the Ducati has significantly better brakes, but it dives excessively. The Ducati felt more composed.

the Ducati has more presence, it's classier in comparison, and it will hold it's value better.

But, the GSXR is faster.