Who gives way to whom?

[Ragingrob]

I consider myself pretty onto it in terms of road rules, they all make sense to me and seem easy enough. Here is one intersection just down from my place where I'd be keen to see what the general consensus is.

Pretty much, these cars are technically on the same road as the centre line signifies. The red car is turning right off the main road into the side street and the blue car is going straight through into the side street. Or would you call that turning left off the main road as going "straight" signifies staying on the main road??

So who gives way?

I would be thinking that the red car has right of way as the blue car must give way to their right... What do you guys think? The other thought could be that since the blue car is going 'straight', they just go for it, but I don't like this idea as both cars are turning off the main road.

Opinions/Comments wanted!

:argue:

EDIT:

Quoted from the road code:

"If you are turning at an intersection, give way to all vehicles not turning"

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

"If you are turning left at an intersection, give way to vehicles coming towards you that are turning right"

So from those three points, we have to say that the blue car is technically turning. They are definitely not turning right, so they must be turning left. Therefore, they must give way to the red car turning right.

Haha, guess I solved it myself!

Any disagreements? I'm keen to hear.

[Starky307]

Blue should give way if you follow the law to the letter, IMO.

Or the bigger vehicle has right of way.

Is this the intersection next to the dairy near spookers by any chance?

[Ragingrob]

Blue should give way if you follow the law to the letter, IMO.

Or the bigger vehicle has right of way.

Is this the intersection next to the dairy near spookers by any chance?

Cool cool... Na come back 2mins towards the motorway near TeHihi school and it's down Kidd Rd.

:niceone: Cheers for your opinion.

[Supertwin Don]

UK rules - red car TURNING RIGHT gives way to anything else
Kiwi rules - ???????? (but if red car is bigger than blue car......):doh:

[Gubb]

Blue has to give way.

[Squiggles]

Blue should be, but probably wont...

[Ragingrob]

UK rules - red car TURNING RIGHT gives way to anything else
Kiwi rules - ???????? (but if red car is bigger than blue car......):doh:

Yeah that's the same as Aussie too... We have special rules haha!

Yeah I'm pretty much trying to work out whether I have the right to pull the fingers if they are in fact in the wrong haha :chase:

[Hitcher]

"Right of way" is something other road users give you. If they don't give it to you, you haven't got it.

[BMWST?]

I reckon red,he is effectively turning right and crossing the centre line

[Ragingrob]

"Right of way" is something other road users give you. If they don't give it to you, you haven't got it.

You'd take hours to get from one side of Auckland to the other with that point of view! Ya don't get much from anybody round here :nono:

[Ragingrob]

I reckon red,he is effectively turning right and crossing the centre line

Just like when you turn right off a road into side streets anyway? Yet those turning left must give way! So that argument ain't valid for sure.

[roadracingoldfart]

RED has to conceed to BLUE.

BLUE has a straight line route but RED has to cross a centre line .

Also the RED car looks like a HOLDEN and we all know HOLDENS have to give way to FORDS.

Why dont people choose a GREEN car anymore ???

[sil3nt]

I just google mapped it and it looks like one big mess of an intersection on a rural road. Why do they not just make it a normal T intersection?

[Ragingrob]

Quoted from the road code:

"If you are turning at an intersection, give way to all vehicles not turning"

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

"If you are turning left at an intersection, give way to vehicles coming towards you that are turning right"

So from those three points, we have to say that the blue car is technically turning. They are definitely not turning right, so they must be turning left. Therefore, they must give way to the red car turning right.

Haha, guess I solved it myself!

Any disagreements? I'm keen to hear.

[Cheshire Cat]

I would say the red gives way to the blue....I would in that situation anyway(judging by the diagram).

[mrchips]

blue has right of way.... but then again it would feel like you're playing chicken.

[Ragingrob]

RED has to conceed to BLUE.

BLUE has a straight line route but RED has to cross a centre line .

Also the RED car looks like a HOLDEN and we all know HOLDENS have to give way to FORDS.

Why dont people choose a GREEN car anymore ???

Blue has a straight line route in physical terms, but if you are leaving a road you are technically turning.

Mate I had to shut down the Mac, restart it in windows, just to use paint, red and blue were not getting a choice!

[Ragingrob]

blue has right of way.... but then again it would feel like you're playing chicken.

I guess it's quite similar to when you're at an uncontrolled T intersection where you are turning right out of the side street and someone's turning right into it. Technically you should turn right in front of him, but that would probably be putting you straight into their path as not too many people look to check whether the road they're turning into is controlled or not!

Wait... Blue has right of way?! Why?

[dpex]

I consider myself pretty onto it in terms of road rules, they all make sense to me and seem easy enough. Here is one intersection just down from my place where I'd be keen to see what the general consensus is.

Pretty much, these cars are technically on the same road as the centre line signifies. The red car is turning right off the main road into the side street and the blue car is going straight through into the side street. Or would you call that turning left off the main road as going "straight" signifies staying on the main road??

So who gives way?

I would be thinking that the red car has right of way as the blue car must give way to their right... What do you guys think? The other thought could be that since the blue car is going 'straight', they just go for it, but I don't like this idea as both cars are turning off the main road.

Opinions/Comments wanted!

:argue:

EDIT:

Quoted from the road code:

"If you are turning at an intersection, give way to all vehicles not turning"

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

"If you are turning left at an intersection, give way to vehicles coming towards you that are turning right"

So from those three points, we have to say that the blue car is technically turning. They are definitely not turning right, so they must be turning left. Therefore, they must give way to the red car turning right.

Haha, guess I solved it myself!

Any disagreements? I'm keen to hear.

It's a fairly unusual road set-up but, because both cars are on the 'main-road, as designated by the centre-line, the road to the right is, in fact, a left turn and so Blue should give way. However, if I was the driver of the red, I'd just let blue go.

There's no sweeter taste than that of justified outrage,(ask Katman) but I imagine, if red pushed his luck and took the high-road, the sweet taste of red's justified outrage, after the collision, might be rather badly tainted with the coppery taste of blood.

But it was a good Q.

[Sidewinder]

you always give way to the biggger vecile! like a big red van!

[Maha]

We have a roading situation similar to that here in Warkworth.
At times I am the Blue vehicle, and I (by law) have to indicate that I am technically turning left. Visually I am not but I am leaving Neville st and entering Percy st (which is straight ahead) so I have to give way to the Red vehicle, if the Red vehicle is free to turn.

So......Blue gives way. Red is not on a stop or give way.

[Noidy]

[QUOTE=Ragingrob;1129219683]Blue has a straight line route in physical terms, but if you are leaving a road you are technically turning.QUOTE]

Blue is not "leaving the road". Rule of centre line. Blue (even though cornering not turning) does not cross the centre line. Red does cross and and therefore must give way

[Ixion]

From the Road Code



Leaving the path of the centre line at an uncontrolled intersection

If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line at an uncontrolled intersection, you must give way to vehicles following the centre line. This is because vehicles leaving the path of the centre line are legally turning (even though sometimes they might actually be going in a straight line) and the give way rules apply


Which vehicle here is following the continuous centre line and which vehicle is crossing the centre line ? Hmm ?

There is one such interection (even sneakier because it is a Y intersection near here, where the driving testers take candidates. More than one has failed that test.

It should be straight forward.

[Patch]

assuming the red car is a commie asian immigrant the blue driver should fuckin floor it before the prick pulls out in front of 'im.

[Ixion]

No risk of that. Firstly I doubt there are any *commie* Asian immigrants. They are all decidedly of the free market persuasion. Where have you encountered any Communist ones?

Secondly if it were an Asian immigrant driving there would be no need for either vehicle to give way. The red car has it's right indicator going. Which in the case of an Asian immigrnat means that it is about to turn left. Or possibly reverse.

[Ragingrob]

From the Road Code



Which vehicle here is following the continuous centre line and which vehicle is crossing the centre line ? Hmm ?

There is one such interection (even sneakier because it is a Y intersection near here, where the driving testers take candidates. More than one has failed that test.

It should be straight forward.

Neither car is following the centre line, both are leaving the main road, both are going into the side road on the left of my picture.

[Ragingrob]

Blue is not "leaving the road". Rule of centre line. Blue (even though cornering not turning) does not cross the centre line. Red does cross and and therefore must give way

Once again, Blue is technically turning as it's leaving the main road as the centre line shows. Your argument completely fails the give way rule in terms of when turning left you must give way to those turning right infront of you, who are in fact the only ones crossing the centre line!

[Ixion]

No such thing in law as a main road or side road. They've not existed for over 60 years. Amazing how many people keep insisting on reinventing this archaic theory.

Question is , is there a continuous centre line ? Your sketch isn't quite clear. It appears that there is a continuous centre line around the curve . If so, the blue car is following the centr eline and has right of way. But if the line stops, then it is a T intersection.

[Noidy]

Once again, Blue is technically turning as it's leaving the main road as the centre line shows. Your argument completely fails the give way rule in terms of when turning left you must give way to those turning right infront of you, who are in fact the only ones crossing the centre line!

Oops. misread your picture:doh:. I would have to agree with you

[MaxB]

What Mr Ixion says.

But for the erasing of a line in the road then it switches over to red.

The sooner we fall into line with other countries on this the better.

[Ixion]

I think you are misinterpreting the words "centre line" in the road code. It doesn't mean a hypothetical "centre" of the road. It means an actual painted line on the road.

If there is a continuous white line painted on the road (and I am not sure but I thnk it must be continous, solid, not dashed - all I have seen thus have been solid), then that has special significance. It means that the road is assumed to continue along that path , and the "corner" becomes a "curve"

You drawing is not clear because although it shows a line, it is not solid or continuous.

If there is NO continuous centre line painted on the road, then there are three roads. "Blue car road", "red car road", and "no car road". It is a T intersection and the right hand rule applies.

If there IS a continuous centre line , then there are only two roads. "Blue and red car road", which curves through 90 degrees, and "no car road" . Both the blue car and the red car are both travelling on "blue and red car road". The red car intends to turn off it , making a right turn into "no car road". And must give way to straight through traffic, which blue car is.

Beach Road in East Coast Bays has an actual example of this .

Your drawing needs clarification to make it clear if there is intended to be a continuous centre line or not. Remembering that "continuous centre line" means an actual physical painted line .

Incidentally this is the only situation that I can recall where a continuous line, as opposed to a dashed line, is significant.

[gwigs]

red gives way:nono: ...it is if Im driving the blue car...unless its bigger than my 4x4...

[Skyryder]

The give way sign suggests to me that both cars are entering a side road.

Both blue and red vehicle appear to be on the main road and this is suggestd by the give way sign. If this is indeed the case then red has the right of way as this vehicle is on blues right who must give way. If on the other hand red is on the side road and turning into the main road then blue has the right of way. So I'm not too sure it is the vehicle position but the road.


Skyryder

[steve_t]

Red car gives way

[Ragingrob]

No such thing in law as a main road or side road. They've not existed for over 60 years. Amazing how many people keep insisting on reinventing this archaic theory.

Question is , is there a continuous centre line ? Your sketch isn't quite clear. It appears that there is a continuous centre line around the curve . If so, the blue car is following the centr eline and has right of way. But if the line stops, then it is a T intersection.

The centre line is solid... But the damn blue car ain't going around that corner man! It's turning off the road into the road straight ahead! So the blue car is NOT following the centre line! Which I tried to explain in my first reply to you!

:bleh::niceone:

So... Who in your mind gives way? If you understand the picture better now.

[Ixion]

Oh, I see what you mean now. I made the same mistake I think as Mr Noidy, I thought you meant the blue car intended to bear right into "red car road".

If both the blue and red car intend to go into "no car road", then blue car is making a left turn , and must give way.

[Ragingrob]

Oh, I see what you mean now. I made the same mistake I think as Mr Noidy, I thought you meant the blue car intended to bear right into "red car road".

If both the blue and red car intend to go into "no car road", then blue car is making a left turn , and must give way.

Sweet :2thumbsup

Lol Squiggles tells me I should've extended the blue car's arrow right over to that road :spanking:

Paint with a touchpad is not easy guys!

Sweet well that's all cleared up then.

There are a few people who have said the red car, yet offered no reasoning... But I guess that makes sense lol! :doh:

[Skyryder]

I had a bet bothways. Still got first place................:doh:


Skyryder

[Max Preload]

Blue car gives way. Or at least SHOULD.

[FJRider]

If both the blue and red car intend to go into "no car road", then blue car is making a left turn , and must give way.

I concur ... the blue car is effectively turning left.... thus, must give way to the red car.

[Jantar]

Blue car gives way. Or at least SHOULD.
That IS the way our road rules are written. Once again the laws of man and the laws of physics are in conflict as the natural laws of motion suggest that it is much more efficient for the blue car to continue straight ahead without giving way or chaging speed. That would cause neither car to lose any time, but if the blue car has to give way to the red car then everyone loses. (particularly the green car that isn't in the picture but is 2 seconds behind the blue car and doesn't have to give way to anyone as it slams into the red car crossing the centerline).

[FJRider]

That IS the way our road rules are written. Once again the laws of man and the laws of physics are in conflict as the natural laws of motion suggest that it is much more efficient for the blue car to continue straight ahead without giving way or chaging speed. That would cause neither car to lose any time, but if the blue car has to give way to the red car then everyone loses. (particularly the green car that isn't in the picture but is 2 seconds behind the blue car and doesn't have to give way to anyone as it slams into the red car crossing the centerline).

But the Red car has to give way to the Green car, if the green car is not taking the same route as the Blue car. If the blue car has to wait for the Red, so will the Green.

[bane]

Blue car gives way, as Red car is turning from the right (in respect of the blue car) - and blue car turning from left (in respect of red car).

This often confuses the general masses as most intersections of reasonable traffic density will be controlled via a give way (or even a stop sign) where the red car is sitting. Therefore Blue rarely has to give way.

Hitchers rule is the best one, you only have right of way when you are given it... especially if you are riding a motorbike....

[pzkpfw]

Lol Squiggles tells me I should've extended the blue car's arrow right over to that road

Your blue car doesn't have its' left indicator on.

So red car will give way, thinking blue might be following the centre line and bearing right.

But blue won't turn, and will think red is "giving way" and go physically straight (a left turn off the road).

So they'll all carry on blissfully unaware of the rules.

---

I have a road like that near home. I indicate left to turn off the road (when I'm like that blue car). People at the give way tend to stop for me (for no reason). I think that they see my left indicator, equate it with "he's turning" and think I'm going to go "around the corner" (bearing right, following the centre line). How they think a left indicator means that, I don't know.

When I stop for the red car, they always wave at me like I've done them a favour.

When I am the red car, I damn well treat it as a stop sign, because plenty of clowns go screaming up that road (as blue car) with no idea they need to give way to me.

This is in Tawa, home of the indicate-right-when-going-"straight"-at-roundabouts people.

[Max Preload]

The easiest way to deal with troublesome intersections like this when you're not completely aware of the GIVE WAY rule is to change it to a Y junction in your head to eliminate the tendancy to invent "the main road rule".


Your blue car doesn't have it's left indicator on.

Oh, it's on. It's just that it was in the off time of the flash when that hi-res image was captured. :rofl:

[Pixie]

No wonder our road toll is what it is - kiwis wouldn't have a clue.

Which car is actually crossing a centre line? THE RED CAR

The blue car does not have to give way.

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

The blue car is following the path of the centre line and no stretch of the imagination could show that it is turning.


So all you wankers that think the blue car should give way will probably hit the brakes and cause a rear ender.

Which will make you no better than the asian drivers some of you deride.

[steve_t]

It's like when a car is turning right out of a carpark while someone else is turning right to go into it. The car entering the carpark technically should give way to the car exiting... but does it ever happen? Hardly ever!!

[Ragingrob]

No wonder our road toll is what it is - kiwis wouldn't have a clue.

Which car is actually crossing a centre line? THE RED CAR

The blue car does not have to give way.

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

The blue car is following the path of the centre line and no stretch of the imagination could show that it is turning.


So all you wankers that think the blue car should give way will probably hit the brakes and cause a rear ender.

Which will make you no better than the asian drivers some of you deride.


The path of the centre line is going around the corner, the blue car is going "straight" to the left of the picture, therefore turning off the centre line.

Take a good look at the picture and explanation before you start calling people wankers when you're in the wrong. :argue:

Or do I just have a really good imagination hahaha!

[Max Preload]

No wonder our road toll is what it is - kiwis wouldn't have a clue.

You got that right. Go hand your licence in.


So all you wankers that think the blue car should give way will probably hit the brakes and cause a rear ender.

No - the person causing the rear-ender is the person following.

[Skyryder]

No wonder our road toll is what it is - kiwis wouldn't have a clue.

Which car is actually crossing a centre line? THE RED CAR

The blue car does not have to give way.

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

The blue car is following the path of the centre line and no stretch of the imagination could show that it is turning.


So all you wankers that think the blue car should give way will probably hit the brakes and cause a rear ender.

Which will make you no better than the asian drivers some of you deride.


Sorry ol' son but you are wrong. Both cars are leaving the path of the centre line
The blue car is leaving the main road and as an aside should be using its indicators as it is 'deemed' to be turning. As it is 'turning' left it gives way to the right. It's one example of our dumb law on the right hand rule. Common sense does not apply. Under the old right hand rule where left turning vehicles had the right of way red would have to give way to blue which is the sensible solution.


There is another anomaly with the give way rule where you are going straight ahead, still staying on the same road yet deemed to be turning left.

This is in Christchurch where you are traveling along Lake Terrace Road the centre line swings to the right and enters Burwood Rd. However by going straight ahead and still staying on Lake Terrace Rd b y leaving the centre line you are deemed to be turning although in this case you still stay on Lake Terrace Rd.

If I knew how to post up the google map I'd post the pic. For those interested google Christchurch Lake Terrace or Burwood Rd press the + button to zoom in as far as you can go and a pic of the intgersection will come up.



Skyryder

[pzkpfw]

No - the person causing the rear-ender is the person following.

Touche!



(Just to clarify: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch%C3%A9 )

[Peril]

Sorry ol' son but you are wrong. Both cars are leaving the path of the centre line
The blue car is leaving the main road and as an aside should be using its indicators as it is 'deemed' to be turning. As it is 'turning' left it gives way to the right. It's one example of our dumb law on the right hand rule. Common sense does not apply. Under the old right hand rule where left turning vehicles had the right of way red would have to give way to blue which is the sensible solution.


There is another anomaly with the give way rule where you are going straight ahead, still staying on the same road yet deemed to be turning left.

This is in Christchurch where you are traveling along Lake Terrace Road the centre line swings to the right and enters Burwood Rd. However by going straight ahead and still staying on Lake Terrace Rd b y leaving the centre line you are deemed to be turning although in this case you still stay on Lake Terrace Rd.

If I knew how to post up the google map I'd post the pic. For those interested google Christchurch Lake Terrace or Burwood Rd press the + button to zoom in as far as you can go and a pic of the intgersection will come up.



Skyryder

Map didn't work properly,ended up showing Mairehau Road for some reason.
They have tweaked that road though by putting the island there to make you veer round it in turn making it a slight left hand bend/deviation rather than what the original pic is of a car going straight through.Same purpose mind you though.

[Skyryder]

Map didn't work properly,ended up showing Mairehau Road for some reason.
They have tweaked that road though by putting the island there to make you veer round it in turn making it a slight left hand bend/deviation rather than what the original pic is of a car going straight through.Same purpose mind you though.


I use to do a school bus run through there a few years back. One morning a cop car was making a right hand turn from Burwood Rd into Lake Terrace Rd. I kept driving straight through thinking I had the right of way. The next moment I heard the siren thinking that the cop was going to pass me and I heard the call to pull up. He was very nice about but told me I should have given way.



Skyryder

[McJim]

UK rules - red car TURNING RIGHT gives way to anything else
Kiwi rules - ???????? (but if red car is bigger than blue car......):doh:

There are some very strange priority rules in New Zealand that have been credited by the AA and other notable driving authorities as being the cause of most accidents at intersections in New Zealand. If you are travelling along a road and are turning left you must allow right turning traffic (yes, those crossing your lane!) to turn right. The reason for this apparently is that New Zealanders, whilst affable individuals in the pub or on mountains or on the beach turn in to greedy homocidal maniacs when in charge of a motor vehicle. Y'know how we let people out into the flow of traffic or allow people entering a motorway to merge? That simply does not happen here. This complete lack of courtesy, whilst alien to 99% of the world's population is completely normal here.
The powers that be don't think anyone would be able to turn right without a stupid give way law designed for an Australian Tram infested city.
Incidentally the tram infesteed Aussies saw the error of their ways and repealed the law halving their accident rate overnight. Kiwis would rather be wrong and stick to their guns that do a policy U turn and be correct.
It's quite embarrassing actually.

[steve_t]

There are some very strange priority rules in New Zealand that have been credited by the AA and other notable driving authorities as being the cause of most accidents at intersections in New Zealand. If you are travelling along a road and are turning left you must allow right turning traffic (yes, those crossing your lane!) to turn right. The reason for this apparently is that New Zealanders, whilst affable individuals in the pub or on mountains or on the beach turn in to greedy homocidal maniacs when in charge of a motor vehicle. Y'know how we let people out into the flow of traffic or allow people entering a motorway to merge? That simply does not happen here. This complete lack of courtesy, whilst alien to 99% of the world's population is completely normal here.
The powers that be don't think anyone would be able to turn right without a stupid give way law designed for an Australian Tram infested city.
Incidentally the tram infesteed Aussies saw the error of their ways and repealed the law halving their accident rate overnight. Kiwis would rather be wrong and stick to their guns that do a policy U turn and be correct.
It's quite embarrassing actually.

Yeah, they should change it so we're the same as the rest of the world. There might be a few accidents initially but a massive advertising campaign should be quite effective and we'd soon reduce our problems at intersections. As for merging like a zip, don't get me started!! :2guns:

[marty]

There are some very strange priority rules in New Zealand that have been credited by the AA and other notable driving authorities as being the cause of most accidents at intersections in New Zealand. If you are travelling along a road and are turning left you must allow right turning traffic (yes, those crossing your lane!) to turn right. The reason for this apparently is that New Zealanders, whilst affable individuals in the pub or on mountains or on the beach turn in to greedy homocidal maniacs when in charge of a motor vehicle. Y'know how we let people out into the flow of traffic or allow people entering a motorway to merge? That simply does not happen here. This complete lack of courtesy, whilst alien to 99% of the world's population is completely normal here.
The powers that be don't think anyone would be able to turn right without a stupid give way law designed for an Australian Tram infested city.
Incidentally the tram infesteed Aussies saw the error of their ways and repealed the law halving their accident rate overnight. Kiwis would rather be wrong and stick to their guns that do a policy U turn and be correct.
It's quite embarrassing actually.

it's not the rule thaty causes the crash - it's the lack of training/understanding of it.

i shat myself in melbourne first time i was in a taxi and hook turned out of Elizabeth St into LaTrobe St. if you have never seen/done this, it is something else! training and understanding turn what looks like a dangerous move into something pretty effective.

[Ixion]

And here is exactly the same situation in a context where right turn gives way. Guess what, the effect is the same. Blue car has to give way (right turn gives way , remember), even though he is "going straight ahead". The only people that have problems with the give way rule are those who should not be driving in the first place, or Poms who insist that everything must be exactly the same as it was back in dear old Blighty.

[Badjelly]

If there is a continuous white line painted on the road (and I am not sure but I thnk it must be continous, solid, not dashed - all I have seen thus have been solid), then that has special significance.

The solid versus dashed distinction is a new one to me. Must look at the Road Code

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-uncontrolled-intersections.html

The term it uses is "marked centre line" and the picture they use to illustrate it shows a dashed line. So dashed vs solid is irrelevant.

You know, some people say, "The only people that have problems with the give way rule are those who should not be driving in the first place." Not that I agree with this, mind you. :bleh:

[MarkH]

Your blue car doesn't have its' left indicator on.

So red car will give way, thinking blue might be following the centre line and bearing right.

But blue won't turn, and will think red is "giving way" and go physically straight (a left turn off the road).

So they'll all carry on blissfully unaware of the rules.

I agree with this - the blue car will shoot straight through and the red car will give way. This is logical and sensible and is the right thing to do. The only time there will be a problem is when the red car is a cop car, other than that it will work fine every time. Generally the blue car will be fine 99+% of the time and get a warning for failing to indicate less than 1% of the time. The driver of the red car would have to be an idiot to turn in front of the non indicating blue car.


I use to do a school bus run through there a few years back. One morning a cop car was making a right hand turn from Burwood Rd into Lake Terrace Rd. I kept driving straight through thinking I had the right of way. The next moment I heard the siren thinking that the cop was going to pass me and I heard the call to pull up. He was very nice about but told me I should have given way.

Yep - now and then the vehicle in the position of the blue car will get a warning, otherwise life goes on without incident.

[Ragingrob]

I agree with this - the blue car will shoot straight through and the red car will give way. This is logical and sensible and is the right thing to do. The only time there will be a problem is when the red car is a cop car, other than that it will work fine every time. Generally the blue car will be fine 99+% of the time and get a warning for failing to indicate less than 1% of the time. The driver of the red car would have to be an idiot to turn in front of the non indicating blue car.



Yep - now and then the vehicle in the position of the blue car will get a warning, otherwise life goes on without incident.

The main reason I've had concerns about this intersection is not when both cars are right at the corner, of course you'd pretty much have to give way if you're the red car as you probably wont even be able to see their left indicator and they could be coming around the corner.

The other day I was the red car coming up to turn right, there was nothing directly to my left but as I turned right a SUV was coming straight through (from the right of picture to the left) at a good 80kph or so and I had to gas it.

That is where a greatest problem occurs as the blue car treated it as one single road as if he was following the centre line and I'd pulled out in front of him.

If ya get me?

[Badjelly]

...If ya get me?

I get ya, mate. Still a bit of gassing it from time to time never did anyone any harm. Just don't get caught for unnecessary acceleration. :Punk:

[MarkH]

The other day I was the red car coming up to turn right, there was nothing directly to my left but as I turned right a SUV was coming straight through (from the right of picture to the left) at a good 80kph or so and I had to gas it.

That is where a greatest problem occurs as the blue car treated it as one single road as if he was following the centre line and I'd pulled out in front of him.

If he had hit you then he would probably be in the wrong. But I would generally think you are better off looking further down the road and waiting for a vehicle moving that fast, it's not like you would have to wait for long.

[GOPSTER]

Here is a street similar but has a bit more of a curve and an island but its the same principle

[steve_t]

Here is a street similar but has a bit more of a curve and an island but its the same principle

Whoever planned these roads is an idiot

[The Pastor]

red gives way to blue, the car is not turning.

[Ragingrob]

red gives way to blue, the car is not turning.

If you do not follow the centre line you are technically turning.

[MarkH]

red gives way to blue, the car is not turning.

I don't agree with this in law, but I do agree with it in practise. In the real life driving situation the driver of the blue car does not consider himself to be turning and is unlikely to give way to the red car. Therefore red gives way to blue.

[6ft5]

I agree, red gives way to blue

I hate the thought of Holden having to wait for Ford but what is new, perhpas just ram blue for the hell of it :Police:

[Max Preload]

This just in! If the blue car does not give way and there's a crash, it's STILL that driver's fault! :done:

[LBD]

Its Kyrgyzstan....NOBODY gives way, EVERYBODY has right of way. (Kyrgyz road rules...redefining the chaos theory)

[Ragingrob]

This just in! If the blue car does not give way and there's a crash, it's STILL that drivers fault! :done:

Haha nicely summed up there :Police: