Bring back the rope.

[Lias]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2425738/Man-warned-he-could-spend-life-in-jail

Scum like this make me sick to my stomach. I want to get a rope and hang them from the nearest tree. Does anyone else believe we should bring back capital punishment?

[Maha]

Not a fan of capital punishment...
If it were still being used, there would a few innocent dead people in the ground.
On the other hand...in some cases, if the accused is found guilty beyond all doubt then...maybe.

[ghost]

Bell, Burton, are some of the names that come to mind to swing from a tree, there is no doubt about "an innocent" being executed, unless I missed something here, help me out.....

If you believe in the right to self defence, then surely you must believe in the right of society to defend them selfs from these "people". They must be permanantly removed from society....... rope or cell......

[Blackshear]

While I'm not going to vote on the poll, cause I don't feel like it, why the fuck is some loser like this still walking the streets?
He killed someone when he was 14, and now he's punching pregnant woman - His partner, in the goddamn stomach!
Ffs, KWIMINOLS HAV WITES, TOO!

[Maha]

Bell, Burton, are some of the names that come to mind to swing from a tree, there is no doubt about "an innocent" being executed, unless I missed something here, help me out.....

If you believe in the right to self defence, then surely you must believe in the right of society to defend them selfs from these "people". They must be permanantly removed from society....... rope or cell......

There are indiviuals that should certainly have no place in society.
Then there are those that have been convicted of a serious crime, for example, Arthur Allen Thomas, who ten years later was released and his conviction quashed. In that senario (had capital punishment still been in service) he probably would have hanged for the double murder of which he was innocent of.

[Trudes]

There are indiviuals that should certainly have no place in society.
Then there are those that have been convicted of a serious crime, for example, Arthur Allen Thomas, who ten years later was released and his conviction quashed. In that senario (had capital punishment still been in service) he probably would have hanged for the double murder of which he was innocent of.

Agree with Maha. There are definitely some cases where some people should never be let out in public again and are a drain on tax payers $$, however I for one would still not want to be a jury member where capital punishment would be the punishment handed down. Bring back chain-gangs and castration.

[Stirts]

I am sick and tired of my tax money being spent on some fuck-knuckle c00nt like this who murders people/kids. These murderers are vicious thugs that show no remorse, and have no respect for the community or anything in it.

They do not deserve to be in our society.

In prison they get 3 meals a day, exercise, underfloor heating, TV, and even drugs FFS!! I read somewhere it costs around $40,000 per year to lock someone up!?!?!

The only thing that really shits me about the death penalty is that the victims have to deal with a lifetime pain and/or suffering but the perp gets off with death and limited suffering.

BUT....
The trouble is our justice system is absolute shyte that we often get it wrong.

[ghost]

There are indiviuals that should certainly have no place in society.
Then there are those that have been convicted of a serious crime, for example, Arthur Allen Thomas, who ten years later was released and his conviction quashed. In that senario (had capital punishment still been in service) he probably would have hanged for the double murder of which he was innocent of.

Agreed, but with the current law eventually Bell and Burton will be released. Wasnt Thomas pardoned, after two trials found him guilty? Not a quashed conviction. Albeit a case of "possible" tampering of evidence. But there are cases out there of convicted criminals reoffending and one would have to say they have had there chance, they failed........

[ManDownUnder]

Disagree with Capital punishment,

Agree with crims working their arses off to pay their way in prison. $70,000/year for their upkeep is a lot of rocks to break... and max security costs more so they work harder.

Those found innocent later get a refund (and while I recognise it doesn't really address their loss it goes some way to restitution and avoids the "drain on society" vs. "innocent people getting murdered bny the state" argument)

[CookMySock]

What is it with this habit of pulling some horrific piece of shit out of the media and eating in front of everyone? Don't you get it that they do this intentionally just to wind the fuck out of you? Why go along with it? Don't you have enough angst in your life already? Why eat someone elses turd? Go and polish your bike, or something that makes you feel GOOD instead of BAD. C'mon people.

Steve

[ghost]

Agree with Maha. There are definitely some cases where some people should never be let out in public again and are a drain on tax payers $$, however I for one would still not want to be a jury member where capital punishment would be the punishment handed down. Bring back chain-gangs and castration.

Too true, one counter argument for the cost of live time inprisonment is the cost to society if they are let out. I for one would be infavour of capital punishment not on a cost for or against but on the basis of that it is society's last measure of defence against people like this. They are sociopaths who have absolutly no understanding of the harm and damage they do and simply dont care. I'm not talking about the Scott Watsons (I believe guilty) or the David Banes (guilty) these are potentially one off killers. (2 / 5) but of with the repeat murderers, whats wrong with letting them hang?

[cc rider]

Maybe if governments & the 'justice system' did their jobs in the first place, repeat violent offenders wouldn't get backout among the rest of us to continue their trail of destruction.

I'm all for popping one in the head of this pond scum.
Or hanging, hangings good :angry2:

[Patch]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_A0G8x4YSZvw/SZqr8b3vJhI/AAAAAAAAIv0/WcaA9niZbC4/s400/kangaroo+court.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/epl0091l.jpg

http://janusmuseum.org/panabasis/capt021.jpg

[Skyryder]

Never been a fan of the death penalty.......but I sometimes wonder why with this shit walking the streets. Still voted no.


Skyryder

[Lias]

The only thing that really shits me about the death penalty is that the victims have to deal with a lifetime pain and/or suffering but the perp gets off with death and limited suffering.


Roger that


Disagree with Capital punishment,

Agree with crims working their arses off to pay their way in prison. $70,000/year for their upkeep is a lot of rocks to break... and max security costs more so they work harder.


If we stopped listening to the idiots like the Howard League for Penal Reform, we could reduce the cost of prisons drastically. Take away the Flatscreen TV's, the playstations, the underfloor heating (Milton Hilton anyone?). Bring back cold dark wet dungeons, bread and water and hard labour. Then maybe I could live with putting them in prison for life. But as it stands now, a prison sentence is a glorified holiday.

[ManDownUnder]

If we stopped listening to the idiots like the Howard League for Penal Reform, we could reduce the cost of prisons drastically. Take away the Flatscreen TV's, the playstations, the underfloor heating (Milton Hilton anyone?). Bring back cold dark wet dungeons, bread and water and hard labour. Then maybe I could live with putting them in prison for life. But as it stands now, a prison sentence is a glorified holiday.

Yup... +10 fucking characters

[The Stranger]

So who is the slow learner, afu or the judge?

[Stirts]

If we stopped listening to the idiots like the Howard League for Penal Reform, we could reduce the cost of prisons drastically. Take away the Flatscreen TV's, the playstations, the underfloor heating (Milton Hilton anyone?). Bring back cold dark wet dungeons, bread and water and hard labour. Then maybe I could live with putting them in prison for life. But as it stands now, a prison sentence is a glorified holiday.

:niceone:
Indonesia or Thailand prison system FTW!!!

[The Stranger]

:niceone:
Indonesia or Thailand prison system FTW!!!

Yeah, bar mats are expensive you know.

[Stirts]

Yeah, bar mats are expensive you know.

:rofl: and facing upto 5 years imprisonment even.....if only our system was that harsh!

Think of the victims....with condensation from their glass running down their arms aye! Poor bastards!! The pain and suffering they must be facing!!!

[Lias]

:niceone:
Indonesia or Thailand prison system FTW!!!

Hah! I actually started writing a paragraph about outsourcing our prisons to Indonesia, but I got carried away with a rant about how our legal system is not a justice system, and ended up deleting the whole lot before I got carried away.

[sinfull]

Bring back chain-gangs . But they're trying to outlaw gangs ???


Hah! I actually started writing a paragraph about outsourcing our prisons to Indonesia, but I got carried away with a rant about how our legal system is not a justice system, and ended up deleting the whole lot before I got carried away.
You do that too huh !

[cc rider]

You do that too huh !

...and me. I always forget what the original topic is & I type so fracken slow, he'd be hung by the time I finish.

[sinfull]

he'd be hung by the time I finish.

Wow ! Never met a cosmetic surgeon before !

[Genestho]

Roger that



If we stopped listening to the idiots like the Howard League for Penal Reform, we could reduce the cost of prisons drastically.

Amen Brother! You also forgot Kim Workmans Rethinking Crime and Punishment ..nicey nice cronies, and the lefties still swingin' cats down in Welly.

I'm not gonna vote here sorry dude.
David Dougherty and countless others who've been prooven innocent would be dead now.

[oldrider]

Beyond all reasonable doubt. "YES". ( state has a duty to protect other inocent citizens)

Guilty but reasonable doubt. "NO" (Issue suitable piece of rope with jail sentence, the state should provide options and freedom of choice)

All others should retain their human rights, the sentence should be fitting to the crime!

Full sentence must be completed, parole should be the exception to the rule!

Parole should be tangibly earned, not as of right!

[rosie631]

3 strikes and you're out. This prick has already been given way too many chances

[HenryDorsetCase]

Beyond all reasonable doubt. "YES". ( state has a duty to protect other inocent citizens)

Guilty but reasonable doubt. "NO" (Issue suitable piece of rope with jail sentence, the state should provide options and freedom of choice)

All others should retain their human rights, the sentence should be fitting to the crime!

Full sentence must be completed, parole should be the exception to the rule!

Parole should be tangibly earned, not as of right!

Uh, to be convicted of a criminal offence it ALREADY must be proved "beyond reasonable doubt". So you're proposing a new category of "more certain than certain". ?

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2425738/Man-warned-he-could-spend-life-in-jail

Scum like this make me sick to my stomach. I want to get a rope and hang them from the nearest tree. Does anyone else believe we should bring back capital punishment?

Yep, I believe there is a place for the death penalty. Not so much to "protect" society, but purely for fiscal reasons. Why should I pay to keep someone in jail for their lifetime?

[oldrider]

Uh, to be convicted of a criminal offence it ALREADY must be proved "beyond reasonable doubt". So you're proposing a new category of "more certain than certain". ?

No, just reiterating what's already there. the question I answered was should we bring back the rope?

Untill now I have always been against that but thanks to you people (Lawyers) too many of them (criminals) get slapped with a wet bus ticket!

I think you guy's (lawyers) are now more part of the problem than you are part of the solution.

This of course is just an opinion based on your "apparent" behaviour or is that just the media misrepresenting the "facts". :doh:

[Skyryder]

We need a sentance LIFE WITH NO PAROLE.

Skyryder

[dogsnbikes]

DEATH yes at times they deserve it.. a quick one HELL NO!!!!! something more along the lines of ..........oh bamboo shoots come to mind growing up through their arsehole,especially if its a sexual offender see how they like having something forced into them,while we are at it have life coverage on the net:Police:

Also think prisons should be for 1st timers only no benefits/luxuaries what so ever....

as for 2nd time offenders...I vote we turn the Auckland Islands into a prison coloney its not as though we need them...we have an Airforce well almost a Airforce sure they won't mind pushing:ar15: the prisoners out the back of the plane no need for parachutes most will land in the water and Great whites make perfect Security Guards


there will never be any 3rd time offenders so the money we save can be use elsewhere like replacing straight roads with twistie's:ride:

[Shaun]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2425738/Man-warned-he-could-spend-life-in-jail

Scum like this make me sick to my stomach. I want to get a rope and hang them from the nearest tree. Does anyone else believe we should bring back capital punishment?


YES YES YES:2guns: Eye for an eye time again!

[Indiana_Jones]

Beyond a doubt and for premeditated murder, then yes.

nothing like a good old British hanging

Who's got Pierrepoint's number?

-Indy

[Dooly]

DEATH yes at times they deserve it.. a quick one HELL NO!!!!! something more along the lines of ..........oh bamboo shoots come to mind growing up through their arsehole,especially if its a sexual offender see how they like having something forced into them,while we are at it have life coverage on the net:Police:

Also think prisons should be for 1st timers only no benefits/luxuaries what so ever....

as for 2nd time offenders...I vote we turn the Auckland Islands into a prison coloney its not as though we need them...we have an Airforce well almost a Airforce sure they won't mind pushing:ar15: the prisoners out the back of the plane no need for parachutes most will land in the water and Great whites make perfect Security Guards


there will never be any 3rd time offenders so the money we save can be use elsewhere like replacing straight roads with twistie's:ride:

Hell yeah!!!:niceone:

[short-circuit]

What is it with this habit of pulling some horrific piece of shit out of the media and eating in front of everyone? Don't you get it that they do this intentionally just to wind the fuck out of you? Why go along with it? Don't you have enough angst in your life already? Why eat someone elses turd? Go and polish your bike, or something that makes you feel GOOD instead of BAD. C'mon people.

Steve

Oh fuck what's happening here? I sit in agreement with Steve. I haven't even read the article referred to in the OP - I don't need to...It's just an excuse for the predictably ignorant cries of outrage.

Get a life

[Genestho]

Get a life

:shifty: O the irony...

HenryDorsetCase, as it stands at this moment - fiscally, I can see the point.
However looking from the inside out, I can't see this kind of thing happening.
Interesting times indeed...there are changes coming. At a whole lot of levels...

[Shaun S]

We need a sentance LIFE WITH NO PAROLE.

SkyryderYes.

People get off way to lightly in this country.

15 odd years for murder, what the fuck is that about? You should be sitting in jail as an old man still contemplating what you did, not out in society rooting and riding.

[LBD]

Never been a fan of the death penalty.......but I sometimes wonder why with this shit walking the streets. Still voted no.

We need a sentance LIFE WITH NO PAROLE.

Skyryder

Agreed, I did not vote, we don't need the death penalty to protect society, If found guilty, the crims should be seperated from society indefinately, to protect society.

[Shadows]

Prison should be like this....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQb2m6VJ-eo

[skidMark]

I'd prefer to look them in a windowless cell never to see daylight again with nothing but a mattress...

Make them forever regret what they have done...

Otherwise they kill...get hung...thats it...

I'd prefer to lock them and throw the key.

Also the tax payer does not foot the bill... thier possesions are sold to cover this if possible.

[Shadows]

I'd prefer to look them in a windowless cell never to see daylight again with nothing but a mattress...

What? You'll give them a mattress?

You're getting soft in your old age.

[phaedrus]

we need to bring back exile before the death sentence.
no one has the right to kill someone (remember we are supposed to be better than the scum) , if we don't want them in our society any more - boot them out.

[been_there]

Life in prison would only be acceptable if it was a privatetised prison and not costing the tax payer ....else go back to the western days Hangem High.
But they would have to meet certain criteria to qualify.

There are too many murders happening, society needs to offer some deterent as it seems people refuse to accept responsibilties.
Life behind bars getting 3 meals a day, gym, anal sex etc for some that would be an improvement in their quality of life.

Just my humble opinion

[Trudes]

The death penalty doesn't appear to be much of a deterrent in the states that still do it in the USA.

[piston broke]

tough call,
unless there are a lot of live witnesses,hell no.
A A thomas would be dead now.he May be innocent

[ynot slow]

Well for a start get the cunt made sterile,that way he can't breed more wankers,preferably castrated from the neck.

Guilty as for him yep death penalty,as his partner knows he did it,not like others who have circumstantial evidence.

But we are told smacking kids is bad,yep beating the snot out of anyone is to much force,a small open hand slap on a kids bum isn't,this is also different to an open hand whack a person gives their partner.

Failing that let him loose on the army's land area with a pair of jandels,shorts and hoodie in -6deg temp maximum,maybe 8-10 hours walk from civilisation,he'd die a nice slow hypothermic death,only bad thing towards the end he wouldn't feel it.

[hayd3n]

I'd prefer to look them in a windowless cell never to see daylight again with nothing but a mattress...

Make them forever regret what they have done...

Otherwise they kill...get hung...thats it...

I'd prefer to lock them and throw the key.

Also the tax payer does not foot the bill... their possessions are sold to cover this if possible.

dont you mean their stolen possessions in some cases?

[Genestho]

we need to bring back exile ...

Didn't England do that? The Island called... Australia...? And the buggers still escape....Heh...

[piston broke]

do you all really believe in the jury system?
farked if i would trust the average nz'er

[hayd3n]

do you all really believe in the jury system?
farked if i would trust the average nz'er

yea i think most of us would all be in jail if we had a hard jury system

[cc rider]

Didn't England do that? The Island called... Australia...? And the buggers still escape....Heh...

Yeah,...but you lot, keep 'breaking in'.... :wacko:

[oldrider]

do you all really believe in the jury system?
farked if i would trust the average nz'er

From my own observation I would never choose trial by jury in NZ! :no:

[Genestho]

Yeah,...but you lot, keep 'breaking in'.... :wacko:

Heheh. Very True point! I thought about editing my post to reflect that!

Typically female, I changed my mind<_<. :laugh:

[cc rider]

Heheh. Very True point! I thought about editing my post to reflect that!

Typically female, I changed my mind.<_< :laugh:

Yea, but then I couldn't have done mine :2thumbsup

[Number One]

Too true, one counter argument for the cost of live time inprisonment is the cost to society if they are let out. I for one would be infavour of capital punishment not on a cost for or against but on the basis of that it is society's last measure of defence against people like this. They are sociopaths who have absolutly no understanding of the harm and damage they do and simply dont care. I'm not talking about the Scott Watsons (I believe guilty) or the David Banes (guilty) these are potentially one off killers. (2 / 5) but of with the repeat murderers, whats wrong with letting them hang?
Took the words outta my mouth.

Pricks who commit violent offences and then reoffend and reoffend and reoffend till the end of time....should be put down. They prove time and time again that they have no respect for anything and anyone, that they are prepared to hurt and injure others...fuck em - nighty night sweetheart.

I think I'd be ok about handing that down if I had to sit on a jury for one these scum....have I mentioned that I still have yet to be called for jury service? :rofl:

[Trudes]

..have I mentioned that I still have yet to be called for jury service? :rofl:

I've never been called up either! Now that we've said it though, I await that letter next week!!!:slap:

[Hinny]

David Dougherty and countless others who've been prooven innocent would be dead now.

Just a point of clarification here.
David Dougherty was not proven innocent.
The reason he didn't get compensation.

[ghost]

Just a point of clarification here.
David Dougherty was not proven innocent.
The reason he didn't get compensation.
Wrong fully imprisoned, conviction quashed, another man found guilty, compensation was given. Bad example.

[Genestho]

Just a point of clarification here.
David Dougherty was not proven innocent.
The reason he didn't get compensation.

August 1999: Grieve asks for further DNA tests on the crime scene samples.

June 2000: The new DNA tests, carried out in Tasmania, show a clear profile of another man.

November 2000: Grieve finds Dougherty has proven his innocence on the balance of probabilities and recommends he receive compensation.

Mr Grieve QC concluded that Mr Dougherty’s has established his innocence to the required standard.
David Dougherty was convicted in 1993 on charges of abduction and sexual violation by rape of a girl then aged 11. He was acquitted on retrial in 1997. The Government has now accepted, following a report by Mr Stuart Grieve, QC, that Mr Dougherty is innocent of these charges and that his eligibility for compensation for wrongful conviction and imprisonment has been established,” Mr Goff said.


July 2001: The government announces a payout of $868,728 to Dougherty and apologises to him.

May 2003: Nicholas Reekie is found guilty of the 1992 rape and abduction of Dougherty's neighbour.

Wrongfully convicted, and proven innocent by DNA. Compensation paid by the then Govt.

[Hinny]

I stand corrected.
Alzheimers setting in...

[terbang]

Well they have "chop chop square" up here. If you do drugs and murder, then its a public removal of your head and theft will get yer hand cut off. Not a pretty sight at all and a loud and clear message that people do take notice of. You don't see a lot of one handed people around here!
As a citizen of NZ and a resident of Saudi Arabia, I reckon I'm party to two extremes in justice. Somewhere in the middle would do me.

[Genestho]

Yea, but then I couldn't have done mine :2thumbsup
Giggling, wondered what I'd unleash with that Transtasman comment!!

[Genestho]

I stand corrected.
Alzheimers setting in...

That's alright squire, I like pie too...mmmmmmmmmm piiiiie :drool:

Oh, what are we talking about?

Ohhhh! I'm in the rope thread *thud*
hehe:msn-wink:

[Grahameeboy]

There are indiviuals that should certainly have no place in society.
Then there are those that have been convicted of a serious crime, for example, Arthur Allen Thomas, who ten years later was released and his conviction quashed. In that senario (had capital punishment still been in service) he probably would have hanged for the double murder of which he was innocent of.

Thats the point..."no place in society"...not "hanging"...the issue is the judicial system.

[Genestho]

No place in society, who decides that and how?

In an incomplete case, a jury has been witheld from prior violent history as part of their decision making process in sentencing, or current "on remand" violent information.

In that particular instance a jury would be unable to know if the offender is a good bugger gone wrong, or bad to the bone, therefore a danger to society.

So, my point is how could a jury without a doubt decide there is no place in society, in a hypothetical capital punishment sentence, being that in some instances, prior history appears to be released usually via media, after conviction?

[skidMark]

What? You'll give them a mattress?

You're getting soft in your old age.


Well where are the bed bugs meant to live with no mattress?

[cc rider]

Well where are the bed bugs meant to live with no mattress?

Who cares, hang them too.....

[YellowDog]

Who cares, hang them too.....
I'm sure David Bain would agree with you.