Hamilton Police bike check [Archive]

cs363

22nd May 2009, 12:08

Since when has what people wear on motorcycles, apart from a securely fitting helmet, any legitimate interest of the constabulary?

Agreed that it's not a legitimate legal requirement (perish the thought!) but I think it's not a bad thing that they are at least pointing out to these kids the likely outcome of a crash with their scanty attire. I'm sure you have witnessed some of these school kids scary riding antics dressed only in a school uniform. Some (most) of them probably haven't even given crashing a thought, seeing as how we all tend to think we're indestructable when we're young.
At least they can then make an informed decision as to riding attire. I would strongly oppose any regulations requiring people to wear such gear though, as I'm sure you would judging by your previous posts on the subject.

Patch

22nd May 2009, 12:20

You're right, it's none of their fucking business, but they are just making their point, and basically we agree with them. No harm done.

Steve
It is when they are likely to be the ones scrapping you up off the road

Hitcher

22nd May 2009, 14:40

It is when they are likely to be the ones scrapping you up off the road

It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.

Apart from wearing a securely fitting helmet, there are no laws or even official good practice guidelines for motorcycle apparel.

Police should not be an ATGATT enforcement authority when there is no legal imperitive for them to act. When it comes to road safety, the most significant area of risk to teenagers is alcohol and cars, and there are laws that relate to the combination of those three elements.

And why should they be picking on school kids when there is a bunch of city motorcycle/scroter communters who should be receiving the same "message'?

CookMySock

22nd May 2009, 15:32

It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.Again you are right, but there is more than one approach that can be taken to achieve that.

It is fine for you and I to (rightfully) take umbrage at being unlawfully detained by the police, and if I were riding in your group I would back you fully, but these are our kids and the fuzz hasn't really upset them yet and there is no sense of anger towards them, so lets just get what good we can from the cops. For now.

I think the cops are doing the right thing. They are achieving results that you and I could not, or at least adding to our efforts.

Find a battle that actually alienates you, and try to win that one.

Steve

Ixion

22nd May 2009, 16:16

It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.

Apart from wearing a securely fitting helmet, there are no laws or even official good practice guidelines for motorcycle apparel.

Police should not be an ATGATT enforcement authority when there is no legal imperitive for them to act. When it comes to road safety, the most significant area of risk to teenagers is alcohol and cars, and there are laws that relate to the combination of those three elements.

And why should they be picking on school kids when there is a bunch of city motorcycle/scroter communters who should be receiving the same "message'?

All quite true. But there is nothing in law or common sense that says the police cannot offer helpful and constructive advice to people. This is really no different to those exercises that police do advising homeowners about what they can do to discourage burglars . I think they do similar "helpful advice" sessions for shopkeepers, too. Of course if one of the scootlers wants to say "Piss off copper, I ride the way I like", the cop can do little more than shrug his shoulders. Just a s if a cop says "You should consider cutting down those trees which might shelter a prowler", I may reply "The trees are gentle and Godly, I will leave them be". The advice is well meant, it is up to the recipient to decide whther or not to act on it. I think it a commendable initiative by the Police.

sunhuntin

22nd May 2009, 18:08

they need to do that here, specially scooters owned by high school students. i saw one this afternoon that had an indicator dangling by the wires somewhere near the license plate. pity they dont legally need a wof.

Katman

22nd May 2009, 18:31

6ft5

22nd May 2009, 18:56

The police are doing the right thing, pointing out the dangers etc, but more so the comments already made that they can also check up on responsible use of these motor vehicles and the warrant of fitness etc. From my point of view most of the young folk need to understand that when they get behind the "wheel" they are actively participating in traffic and abiding by the road rules and learn how to survive. The scoot is probably a good thing to learn on. The dress code, they will learn...once they go down once and share their their experience and the message will spread...

scracha

22nd May 2009, 18:56

It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.

You're correct but it's also their job to enhance community and people's personal safety.

I also have been led to believe by a traffic plod that ACC pay their wages these days.

Usarka

22nd May 2009, 19:10

I also have been led to believe by a traffic plod that ACC pay their wages these days.

Fuck the ACC!

6ft5

22nd May 2009, 19:13

Fuck the ACC!

Completely disagree with that! My experience has been awesome and I take offense to this useless comment

James Deuce

22nd May 2009, 19:16

You're correct but it's also their job to enhance community and people's personal safety.

One sincerely hopes you are being sarcastic.

The issue I have with this type of check is you simply aren't allowed to say, "I'm a bit busy mate, can I go now?"

That comment invariably leads to a million checks because you're obviously an anti-social deviant either on the way to a crime or just leaving one.

Bring back innocent until proven guilty.

FJRider

22nd May 2009, 19:17

Since when has what people wear on motorcycles, apart from a securely fitting helmet, any legitimate interest of the constabulary?

Under the banner of "In the interests of public safety" ...

awayatc

22nd May 2009, 19:21

you will be protected !
Forcefully if necesary......

James Deuce

22nd May 2009, 19:23

Under the banner of "In the interests of public safety" ...

That's an unjustifiable position. How many members of the public does a motorcyclist in a mini skirt threaten?

FJRider

22nd May 2009, 19:49

That's an unjustifiable position. How many members of the public does a motorcyclist in a mini skirt threaten?

Quite a few if she was pretty ... I would probably look too. Just not where I was going ....

James Deuce

22nd May 2009, 19:57

Personal responsibility. You, of all people, don't need a cop to teach you that.

FJRider

22nd May 2009, 20:02

Personal responsibility. You, of all people, don't need a cop to teach you that.

But Helen said personal responsibility was the Goverments job ...<_<

Leyton

22nd May 2009, 20:02

With the way the little Pr%$ks ride around to school in the morning making it unsafe for other road use's as well as them selfs it was about time they were told to wisen up.

Happy to pass my tax over to this sort of policing.

Sollyboy

22nd May 2009, 20:50

It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.

Apart from wearing a securely fitting helmet, there are no laws or even official good practice guidelines for motorcycle apparel.

Police should not be an ATGATT enforcement authority when there is no legal imperitive for them to act. When it comes to road safety, the most significant area of risk to teenagers is alcohol and cars, and there are laws that relate to the combination of those three elements.

And why should they be picking on school kids when there is a bunch of city motorcycle/scroter communters who should be receiving the same "message'?

Im trying to figure out what your problems is , they werent trying to give out tickets or harass just giving some advice that might save younger ones from a lifetime of pain or misery or even death, it might not just be because they is doing a cops job but perhaps its a type of mentoring as they are handing down experience and advise, cops almost dam if they do and dam if they dont:Police:

caseye

22nd May 2009, 21:34

I'd hazard a guess here at Hitchers problem.The Police have no mandate to police what motorcyclists wear, EXCEPT a properly fitting helmet, they are forever telling us ( the general public) that they are too busy to attend burglars on situations( you know where you ring them and say theres a burglar in my house at 2 am) yet here they are wasting our time and money doing touchy feely crap that simply takes them away from fighting crime ( their actual job).
I believe in a citizens right to travel unhindered by others or the Police without proper and lawful reason, this is not one of those, it;s an excuse for not doing real Police work and it's also a great way of cathing unwary fine.warrant and rego strays.
let the police be very visible doing their job, yes but let them stop you for whatever reason they want, NO! Close?

sunhuntin

22nd May 2009, 21:41

The owner is still legally required to keep them up to WOF standard though.

yep, i know. but whos going to enforce it? the parents? theyd just get told where to go [such is todays youth]. the cops need to be out checking for stuff like this, and the govt needs to change it so all 2 wheeled things powered by a motor need a wof.

cambridgedan

22nd May 2009, 22:52

Why dont they get a bike like an R1 or a ZX10 or both and more and take them around to the schools with someone who looks like they can ride the bike maybe do some stunt riding on a bike and then give them the message because who do you think the kids would listen to, a cop or some really cool dude with a bike that he can wheelie i know who i would listen to and who ma brother would listen to :D makes more sense.

Tone165

22nd May 2009, 23:09

It's better to do "something" than to do "nothing" I spose.

Some valid points about neglected real Police work, and interference with freedom of movement.

It's just a bit of a PR exercise if ya ask me...and they wouldn't need PR if they didn't act like tossers most of the time.

Still rather see them doing this sort of stuff than the flash for cash operations that seem to keep them so busy around here!

Donor

23rd May 2009, 01:16

Since when has what people wear on motorcycles, apart from a securely fitting helmet, any legitimate interest of the constabulary?

Well, as one who is quite sick of being raped by ACC through vehicle registration licensing costs due to the minimalist thinking of both scooter and motorcycle riders, I applaud the police for their campaign toward better road safety.

skidMark

23rd May 2009, 01:19

Donor

23rd May 2009, 08:35

What a crock of shit... an excuse for the cops to check bikes over and try hand out some tickets...

I would tell them to piss off... all i am required to wear by law is a helmet... the rest is my choice...

Bloodey vultures.

Law says you need a license too (remember what one of those is?)

They wrote out one ticket and educated young guys about safety gear.

God you're a fucking 'tard.

davereid

23rd May 2009, 10:18

....they werent trying to give out tickets or harass just giving some advice that might save younger ones from a lifetime of pain or misery or even death...:Police:

I'm not sure thats true.

Anytime a policeman stops someone who is not committing an offence, a line has been crossed.

Being able to go about your lawful business without being subjected to random detention is an important part of the diferences in our law to those of police states.

IMHO random stopping is the only way to ensure drivers are sober, and licenced. But it is a tool that should be used with care.

Leyton

23rd May 2009, 11:43

why dont they get a bike like an r1 or a zx10 or both and more and take them around to the schools with someone who looks like they can ride the bike maybe do some stunt riding on a bike and then give them the message because who do you think the kids would listen to, a cop or some really cool dude with a bike that he can wheelie i know who i would listen to and who ma brother would listen to :d makes more sense.

amen!!!! +++++++1

carver

23rd May 2009, 11:47

do you think they would care about the slicks on my gixxer thou?

Usarka

23rd May 2009, 12:34

Completely disagree with that! My experience has been awesome and I take offense to this useless comment

it was humour, but yeah i can see that you'd find humorous posts useless.

Breed777

2nd June 2009, 13:17

yep, i know. but whos going to enforce it? the parents? theyd just get told where to go [such is todays youth]. the cops need to be out checking for stuff like this, and the govt needs to change it so all 2 wheeled things powered by a motor need a wof.

If my kids 'told me where to go' there would be no scooter, no car, no bus. the little shits would be walking until they learnt that their actions have consequences. Who would buy their kid or allow their kid to buy a scooter and fail to enforce their kids wear safety gear?
If my son/daughter was spotted riding round in shorts etc after I provided them with the correct gear that would be it...then end.

The point is they are kids... as in not adults... its not their decision to make...

You want your own bike? wear no gear? do what you like?... then your a big boy now so time to get out of my house and buy your own food, pay your own bills and make your own way in the world...

truth be told tho, kids earn their parents trust and parents earn kids respect.
My ex and I had 2 kids together and they knew when I said something i Meant it and they respected that if they crossed the line they would lose their 'freedom' to do as they please....

Its good of the cops to be doing what was in the article... but I think its the parents job to raise a kid who has the brains to realise whats gonna happen when they hit the road at 50km/hr.

Simply put... a 16 yr old riding a scooter in shorts and a t-shirt... indicator not working, no warrant etc simply a result of shit parenting!

and the parents should be :2guns:

NDORFN

2nd June 2009, 13:33

Ok so what about cyclists? They go ripping through town at 50km+, about the same as the average student riding to school on thier scooter.

Laxi

2nd June 2009, 13:39

Good work boys (& girls) :Police:
We need more of this sort of constructive policing rather than the mindless revenue collecting we've previously been experiencing. Education is the key.

Since when has what people wear on motorcycles, apart from a securely fitting helmet, any legitimate interest of the constabulary?
feel sorry for the cops somtimes, they cant win! people complain that all they do is make money by handing out tickets, then somone else complains when instead they offer advice

Fuck the ACC!

no! they're too busy doing that to us

Chrislost

2nd June 2009, 18:10

Since when has what people wear on motorcycles, apart from a securely fitting helmet, any legitimate interest of the constabulary?

well i assume that they spend so mich time policing speeding because it may be dangerous, therefore they see the need to police clothing as it may be dangerous too...

Rcktfsh

2nd June 2009, 19:55

aaahh brings back fond memories of debating the school dress code and its unsuitability to riding a bike to school with the headmaster, this is in the days when classes would be randomly called out to stay after assembly, line up with socks upturned so that garters could be checked lest a boy should destroy the schools reputation by being seen in public with his socks round his ankles, worked though managed to substitute school blazer for leather jacket, boots for shoes, non std trousers...for some reason they were happy to see me leave????

Hitcher

2nd June 2009, 20:59

well i assume that they spend so mich time policing speeding because it may be dangerous, therefore they see the need to police clothing as it may be dangerous too...

They police speeding because it is illegal. At least that's what they've always told me.

Chrislost

2nd June 2009, 23:06

They police speeding because it is illegal. At least that's what they've always told me.

I was lead to believe they policed it to lower the road toll.

caseye

2nd June 2009, 23:48

Speed isn't what kills most of the victims of road crashes!
Inattention, avoidable situations overcoming limited ability drivers and inconsiderate drivers are what kill the most people on our roads.
Our Police should be on the roads in cars and on bikes being seen to be doing the right things and pinging those that don't.
This includes and perttains mostly to the nasties and the criminally inclined who because they travel in packs ( seen the toyota corolla with 7 wolly heads in em have you?) are left alone by any ordinarily sane Police Officer because THEY ARE TROUBLE.
We on the other hand stop when signalled to do so and almost always pay the bloody fines!
Simple isn't it, revenue is gathered by stopping us and leaving the nasties to it, lets do that then.
We had a right to go about our daily lives without being interferred with, oh sorry thats the crims.
We are subject to stop and search laws that would make Hitler proud and you guys say it;'s alright if it helps stop crime, what a bloody joke.
Has it? NO!