Bracket "racing"

[FROSTY]

Tossing an idea out there just to gauge interest.
Would anyone be interested in a "race" what you brung style of meeting.
4 classes only. 10 minute races meaning each class would get 4-6 "races" a meeting.
30 entrys MAX per class
classes being A grade-- 600cc or bigger /675 3 cylinder/open twin/ 4 strokes and 250 RACE 2 strokes
B grade 250 road 2 strokes,125 cc race 2 strokes -450 multi 650 twin multi valvve and 750 air coooled twins.
C grade 150 two stroke and 250 four stroke
D grade -OFF road based bikes (motards)

Heres the twist - Yes you grid up and yep full flag drop start.
But from there you are only duelling for bragging rights.
End of 10 minutes the flag drops and you figure out who was fastest between yaselves.
I figure each class would get 6 "races" in a day.

Tecnically its still a track day but it bridges a gap between a "normal" trackday and a real race meeting.

[NinjaNanna]

You know that'd really appeal to me - I could bring the wife's Balius and have a bit of a tangle in C grade without being bored of the slow speeds or worried about dropping the R1.

Be a better options than buckets for me too.

[skidMark]

i think speed groups is better...

you get people new to 600's.... then you will have fast 600 boys out there as well, i know quite a few 600 riders who only want to take thier bike in slow group as it is thier road bike and they dont want to fang it and wreck it...

thats why racing is racing, and trackdays are trackdays.

Just my point of view

[riffer]

Gets around that tricky problem with the insurance on "timed events" too... :mellow:

[CHOPPA]

Thats a cool idea! People could race without having to have a licence! Id do it....

You would have to be creative with the name of the event like call it a racer education track day or something so you dont have mnz or insurance issues...

[wharfy]

I'd be into that, SOT has bracket races based on lap times it is great.

[MSTRS]

Gets around that tricky problem with the insurance on "timed events" too... :mellow:

Is there any ins co that still covers trackdays? Definite training days, yes...but not open trackdays.

[FROSTY]

Gets around that tricky problem with the insurance on "timed events" too... :mellow:
you aint stupid are ya young jedi

[FROSTY]

i think speed groups is better...

you get people new to 600's.... then you will have fast 600 boys out there as well, i know quite a few 600 riders who only want to take thier bike in slow group as it is thier road bike and they dont want to fang it and wreck it...

thats why racing is racing, and trackdays are trackdays.

Just my point of view
The specifics of the groups Im none too worried about.
Its more the general concept.
Giveing people a taste of the difference between racing and a trackday AND for those already racing giving them controlled practice of those ever vital starts.
The concept is DEFINITELY for it to be a school type situation.
However run 100% like a race meeting -again the idea is so new racers know their way around when they get to a real meeting.

[FROSTY]

Thats a cool idea! People could race without having to have a licence! Id do it....

You would have to be creative with the name of the event like call it a racer education track day or something so you dont have mnz or insurance issues...
I think the secret is to be 100% open about the intention.
The way I see it theres people teetering on -do I don't I ? this if done right will piush em to --I DO.
ESPECIALLY if the likes of Billy and Oyster like the idea and use it for their development riders

[White trash]

I doubt the few insurance companies that are still prepared to cover track days would see the humour in it. As soon as you introduce a flag to start off a grid, they'll run a mile.

I did get excited at the thread title however, musch as it pains me to say, I agree with young Mark today. Races with clases based on lap times irrespctive of machine capacity are great fun to race in and much more interesting to watch.

[Shaun Harris]

Tossing an idea out there just to gauge interest.
Would anyone be interested in a "race" what you brung style of meeting.
4 classes only. 10 minute races meaning each class would get 4-6 "races" a meeting.
30 entrys MAX per class
classes being A grade-- 600cc or bigger /675 3 cylinder/open twin/ 4 strokes and 250 RACE 2 strokes
B grade 250 road 2 strokes,125 cc race 2 strokes -450 multi 650 twin multi valvve and 750 air coooled twins.
C grade 150 two stroke and 250 four stroke
D grade -OFF road based bikes (motards)

Heres the twist - Yes you grid up and yep full flag drop start.
But from there you are only duelling for bragging rights.
End of 10 minutes the flag drops and you figure out who was fastest between yaselves.
I figure each class would get 6 "races" in a day.

Tecnically its still a track day but it bridges a gap between a "normal" trackday and a real race meeting.



Keep your TOSSING to your self please

[FROSTY]

I doubt the few insurance companies that are still prepared to cover track days would see the humour in it. As soon as you introduce a flag to start off a grid, they'll run a mile.

I did get excited at the thread title however, musch as it pains me to say, I agree with young Mark today. Races with clases based on lap times irrespctive of machine capacity are great fun to race in and much more interesting to watch.
The insurance thing isn't something Im too worried about quite honestly.The guys worried about their insurance arent the target market.
Re lap times/capacity. Again ol son just tossin an idea out there.nothings fixed in stone
Happy to run basicly same groups as a track day if thats what people want.
Again the idea is to get relative to a real race meeting a LOT of track time and a lot of starts.
I even wondered about running a few 2 lap "races"- Out round grid up -flag drop-go--normal start of race argy bargy then in again.

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I do wonder about doing a lap time based REAL race meeting too. doesn't matter what the bike is but each class is determined by the lap times.
allow a 5 second max "breakout" to stop burglars going into D grade and winning by a lap

[Shaun P]

Good on ya for thinking up some new ideas but.. Do you really think its a good idea for a whole grid(or close to it) of inexperienced starters trying a race start? :doctor:

Might be better off having a lunchtime practice start session under lights or flag drop with plenty of room between the punters or send em off in a line of 3-4, circulate and pit

[skidMark]

At the end of a day its just a dodge around the rules really.

people are meant to have race licenses when going flat tit for a reason...

"racing" for bragging right...

yeah thats not going to end in carnage.

ends badly enough on this forum.

[wharfy]

The insurance thing isn't something Im too worried about quite honestly.The guys worried about their insurance arent the target market.
Re lap times/capacity. Again ol son just tossin an idea out there.nothings fixed in stone
Happy to run basicly same groups as a track day if thats what people want.
Again the idea is to get relative to a real race meeting a LOT of track time and a lot of starts.
I even wondered about running a few 2 lap "races"- Out round grid up -flag drop-go--normal start of race argy bargy then in again.

__________________________________________________ ___________

I do wonder about doing a lap time based REAL race meeting too. doesn't matter what the bike is but each class is determined by the lap times.
allow a 5 second max "breakout" to stop burglars going into D grade and winning by a lap

The SOT does good "bracket" races times based on actual lap times from "class" races and prize money (and kudos) higher for the fast (A) bracket etc. The motivation is then to get into the A bracket . I'm not sure exactly how they work out the groupings.

It is very cool, even if like me you end up racing against a bike 30 years older than the one you are riding :)

[FROSTY]

Good on ya for thinking up some new ideas but.. Do you really think its a good idea for a whole grid(or close to it) of inexperienced starters trying a race start? :doctor:
This is why Im putting it out there.
Theres a gap between track days and race meetings.
Trouble is currently the only way to experience race starts is to race.
Might prove in the end that it needs to be a real meeting run by a club
with results n all that stuff.
Maybee cheap day licences might be the go.
Then again maybee its a dumb idea and wont work at all.

[crazzed]

This is why Im putting it out there.
Theres a gap between track days and race meetings.
Trouble is currently the only way to experience race starts is to race.
Might prove in the end that it needs to be a real meeting run by a club
with results n all that stuff.
Maybee cheap day licences might be the go.
Then again maybee its a dumb idea and wont work at all.

F#*K give frosty a break.

great idea i did my first race at rnd1 vmcc qualy 1st and as no previous race starts ended up 17th by turn 1

ill be in if this goes through

well done frosty for thinking outside the box :first:

[FROSTY]

Heya Crazzed--really apreciate the support dude.
To be honest though I put the ideas out there so people can critique
Most of the criticism is good positive stuff that I hadn't thought of.