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Beemer
24th May 2009, 18:13
What do you think about this story that was on Stuff today? (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2436604/Everything-must-go-The-TradeMe-family)

For a start they need an arse-kicking for naming their kids Porshe and Jag, but selling Christmas presents they gave their two year old is about as low as you can get. Sure, sell the wife's evening gowns and shoes, the car, boat, etc but a table and chairs the kid got for Christmas? Man, that's mean!

Here's the story below:

Last year master plumber Regan Frost bought his wife, Helana, a $20,000 baby grand piano for her birthday. Last week he was flogging his children's Christmas presents to make ends meet.

The Frosts, of Karaka, south of Auckland, are the face of the recession, albeit an extreme one. Millionaires on paper, they have a cashflow crisis they term it "over-committed for the recession" but the bank won't give them a loan to tide them over. Their answer? Sell all their stuff.

Over the past two weeks the couple has taken the radical step of putting virtually everything they own house, furniture, clothes for sale on online auction site TradeMe. They banked about $10,000 in sales in their first week.

Until they sell their house (they've slashed the asking price by $250,000), the extra money will go towards their mortgage payments.

If it's not nailed down, it's for sale. A table and chairs and trampoline they gave their daughter Porsche, two, for Christmas was offered to the highest bidder. Helana is sacrificing her evening gowns and high heels bought on trips to Europe, while Regan put up for sale his "toys", including an HSV-GTS racecar worth about $95,000 new, a dirt bike and boat.

But it's not just the big-ticket items that are going. A pair of Porsche's ballet slippers was offered up, along with a pair of Regan's boxer shorts (never worn). Even an adult Spider-Man suit Regan wore to a plumbers' fancy dress party was for sale.

The couple believe that if they sacrifice luxury and everyday items they will be able to save their plumbing and electrical businesses and drive-through coffee shop. "We don't need a couch, we can sit on the floor," Regan says. "We can sell the piano, the spa pool, we don't need that stuff, it can all be replaced but the business can't."

It was hard telling Porsche that her presents would be sold. Baby brother Jag is too young to know what's going on.

Helana: "We told her one day we'll replace them when we have some money, and she said `OK'. Sometimes she picks [an item] up and says `sold?'."

The couple's "riches to rags" story, as Helana calls it, is a remarkable one.

At the age of just 30, Regan has become one of the country's top plumbers.

He was the 2007 Master Plumber of the Year and sits on the board of directors of Master Plumbers NZ. He owns Regency Plumbing, which has reduced its workforce from 21 to 12 because of the recession, and has the rights to the 0800 PLUMBER number for all of New Zealand.

He's also done a bit of property developing on the side. In 2006 during a trip to Noosa in Australia he saw a house he loved, took a picture, and had it replicated in a new subdivision on the shores of the Manukau Harbour at Karaka.

During their "ripper" years the couple wanted for nothing.

They would often travel overseas, eat at fine restaurants and buy expensive clothes and accessories. Nowadays, Helana says, you're most likely to find Home Brand groceries in her pantry and they eat leftovers from their coffee shop.

"I certainly don't go shopping any more I used to go shopping and do lots of it. I hadn't looked at the bank account for years and I said, [to Regan] `Oh my God, why didn't you tell me to stop shopping?"'

Things started going wrong around October last year, when a number of building companies Regan had contracts with started falling over, failing to pay their bills.

"We ended up being a bank for all the people who failed," he says.

By the end of the financial year on March 31, he had written off $96,000 in bad debt.

Then the couple realised they would not be able to meet their mortgage payments and asked BNZ for a $100,000 loan "bridging finance" to tide them over. It took the bank seven weeks to say no. In the good times, Regan says, he could get a loan within a week.

He admits he could have taken a closer look at his spending. "You can easily waste money just because you've got it to waste; that's a lesson we've learned."

But Regan is proud that he has always paid his bills on time. He seems outwardly relaxed, but the financial pressure is taking its toll last week he was diagnosed with shingles, a stress-related illness.

The Frosts are confident the steps they have taken will save their businesses, and they are happy to live in a smaller house (they will move to a one-bedroom flat at the back of their coffee-shop if the house sells).

"Life is not about money," Helana says. "We find it easier to be less materialistic about things you only have to look around to see people who have it so much harder than yourself."

So is there anything she wouldn't sell? "I'll keep my children," she laughs. "I could probably recoup a lot of money from my wedding dress if it came to it. I had it made by an Irish designer. But I'd prefer not to. If Regan told me to I would ... or maybe I'd hide it."

Yesterday the Frosts altered their TradeMe listings to remove references to financial stress, concerned it might give the erroneous impression that their businesses were struggling.

cowpoos
24th May 2009, 18:17
these guys I'm guessing? ----> linky (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Property/Residential-Property/Houses-for-sale/auction-218360320.htm)

p.dath
24th May 2009, 18:41
I think a lot of people are going through this sort of thing. I've reduced my own outgoings so I have as few commitments as possible, but aren't at the stage of selling everything yet.

The cynical amongst us might say they are being dramatic, and this is a cheap PR scheme to bring in extra business ...

Blackshear
24th May 2009, 18:55
I stopped reading at Porsche and Jag.
They're stupid lap dancer names, and they should feel stupid for naming their kids that.

As for selling their kids stuff, money over their childrens happiness?

Mom
24th May 2009, 19:00
Who cares what they called their kids? Stupid names I agree but then again I dont have to live with the fall out that will happen once they get to high school.

I say good on them actually. Power to them and may they actually realise enough money from the sale of this stuff to pay the bills so they can consolidate and move on.

If I ever get in the shit like that I will sell almost anything (no, not my body)to get the money together to keep wolves from door.

Hitcher
24th May 2009, 21:37
Erm, Fairfax owns Trade Me?

Marmoot
24th May 2009, 21:45
Fairfax own TradeMe.

Hitcher
24th May 2009, 21:47
Fairfax own TradeMe.

Fairfax is an it, not a them, therefore Fairfax owns TradeMe.

KiwiKat
24th May 2009, 22:12
What do you think about this story that was on Stuff today? (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2436604/Everything-must-go-The-TradeMe-family)

For a start they need an arse-kicking for naming their kids Porshe and Jag, but selling Christmas presents they gave their two year old is about as low as you can get. Sure, sell the wife's evening gowns and shoes, the car, boat, etc but a table and chairs the kid got for Christmas? Man, that's mean!


No arse kicking warranted. Bloody good on them for having the guts to sell up and get their own finances sorted. Better they salvage their business and start fresh rather than take the easy out of bankruptcy and liquidation which would be the easy out.

Holier than thou attitudes really suck.:spanking:

Fatt Max
24th May 2009, 22:23
I'm in the shit financially myself, so have the following to sell...

3 x pairs of undies (only the stubborn understains holding them together)

1 x bottle of lube, only one use, only one chance actally

1 x Edmunds 'A Pie A Day' cook book (apologies for the spoof stains on pages 6 & 7)

2 x Pairs of knickers belonging to the Briscoes lady, had to get my hands on but at a fecking cheap price

1 x autographed copy of "Men Are From Mars, Women Need A Fucking Kick In The Back' by Tony Veich

1 x mens jockstrap once owned by Helen Clarke

All of the above, $50...feckin' bargain.....

Marmoot
25th May 2009, 07:53
Fairfax is an it, not a them, therefore Fairfax owns TradeMe.

Give me a break. I'm Asian!

Swoop
25th May 2009, 08:34
My sympathies ended at "plumber"...

There is no such thing as a poor one.

RantyDave
25th May 2009, 08:50
My sympathies ended at "plumber"...
Mine ended at "Grand Piano".

Beemer
25th May 2009, 10:11
No arse kicking warranted. Bloody good on them for having the guts to sell up and get their own finances sorted. Better they salvage their business and start fresh rather than take the easy out of bankruptcy and liquidation which would be the easy out.

Holier than thou attitudes really suck.:spanking:

Selling up extravagant purchases they made like clothing and a bloody grand piano is one thing, selling the toys they gave a TWO YEAR OLD for Christmas just six months ago is morally wrong. The kids shouldn't have to suffer for their lifestyle.

If you think bankruptcy and liquidation are the easy way out, that says a lot about you.

I do not have a 'holier than thou' attitude, I just think that people who live like this should have woken up to themselves a little earlier and agree with the other poster that it's a cheap publicity stunt to get more business. It says in the article that they hope to save their 'businesses' so they must have more than one. Why don't they try selling one of those instead of their kids' toys?

Take a look at the other comments before you have a go at me for highlighting this story. And while trendy names may be de rigueur for tossers, I maintain that anyone who calls their kids Porsche and Jag deserves an arse kicking. No doubt those names will be even more of an embarrassment when they line up in the dole queue in years to come.

325rocket
25th May 2009, 18:35
My sympathies ended at "plumber"...

There is no such thing as a poor one.


Mine ended at "Grand Piano".

mine ended at

'I hadn't looked at the bank account for years and I said, Oh my God, why didn't you tell me to stop shopping?"

Number One
25th May 2009, 18:49
mine ended at

'I hadn't looked at the bank account for years and I said, Oh my God, why didn't you tell me to stop shopping?"
Me too :lol:

I did look at the pics of the house. How many members we got? Do ya reckon if we all pitched in a twenty we could buy a KB party house - I bags being the live in property manager :jerry:

Swoop
25th May 2009, 19:04
I bags being the live in property manager
I hope you are good at plumbing...

scumdog
25th May 2009, 19:11
Meh, not a bad attitude: 'Buy when you've got it, sell when you haven't', as long as you are aware of the second bit you would be OK...

steve_t
25th May 2009, 19:43
Meh, not a bad attitude: 'Buy when you've got it, sell when you haven't', as long as you are aware of the second bit you would be OK...

Sux for the kids having their stuff sold though. Might have been nicer to have a slightly better cash:assets balance. Guess it's pretty hard when your debtors don't/can't pay you. Wonder if this publicity has been good for his business

Finn
26th May 2009, 09:36
Don't understand you lot knocking these people. Okay, perhaps they could have handled their finances differently but that's their business. What a great lesson they'll learn.

Are you most upset that...

a) They worked harder than you and achieved success.
b) Lived in a nicer house than you and had lots of fun stuff.
c) They're not afraid of educating their kids on the true value of money.
d) They are white and have all their teeth.

If it was a maori family selling up all their household effects to have enough money to go to the pub, you'd be all gooey and saying "ohhhh those poor people".

Stop thinking like a bunch of dead beat kiwis.

Mully
26th May 2009, 10:04
Agreed. This is a "do what you gotta do" situation.

Selling the kid's presents may be a bit tough, but I think it's teaching the kids a lesson about material items.

And yes, the wife is clearly a flake, but if they are prepared to sell stuff off to stay going (keep in mind that the business is probably seperate to the house, which is likely to be in a family trust) then that's OK by me.

They could wind the business up, and screw everyone while maintaining a reasonable lifestyle (they wouldn't be the first to do that; "No, the Porsche is my wife's")

BTW, the house is horrible. Those seagulls on the landing *Bleh*

Brett
26th May 2009, 10:51
Very good mate of mine was a plumber who worked for Regan. Interesting story behind some of this.

Mully
26th May 2009, 11:31
Very good mate of mine was a plumber who worked for Regan. Interesting story behind some of this.

Well??? C'mon then.....

Beemer
26th May 2009, 11:33
Very good mate of mine was a plumber who worked for Regan. Interesting story behind some of this.

I bet there is!

Sure, cutting back and selling unwanted stuff is great (I'm doing it myself right now) but the two year old is not going to learn anything from this because she's far too young to understand what's going on. Hell, I don't even LIKE kids and yet I still think it is wrong to punish the the kids - what dent in their finances is the sale of a trampoline and a table and chairs set going to make?

From Finn: "Are you most upset that...

a) They worked harder than you and achieved success.
b) Lived in a nicer house than you and had lots of fun stuff.
c) They're not afraid of educating their kids on the true value of money.
d) They are white and have all their teeth.

If it was a maori family selling up all their household effects to have enough money to go to the pub, you'd be all gooey and saying "ohhhh those poor people"."

I don't admire people who work hard, achieve success and then lose it all - bit like Lotto winners who blow it all on partying and then sign on for the dole. I haven't seen the house, but apart from wanting a larger kitchen (as anyone who knows me will attest to!), I love our house. I'd like a new lounge suite and curtains, but those things are achievable for me so I'm not envious of what they have. And I have heaps of fun stuff so no on that score too! I don't think that selling a two year old's possessions is going to teach them anything - a 10 year old, yes, but not a two year old and her younger brother. I'm white and have all my teeth, so no, not jealous there either.

If it was a maori family selling their stuff to go to the pub, I'd be thinking "well, at least they are prepared to fund their own lifestyle".

Finn
26th May 2009, 13:57
I bet there is!

Sure, cutting back and selling unwanted stuff is great (I'm doing it myself right now) but the two year old is not going to learn anything from this because she's far too young to understand what's going on. Hell, I don't even LIKE kids and yet I still think it is wrong to punish the the kids - what dent in their finances is the sale of a trampoline and a table and chairs set going to make?

From Finn: "Are you most upset that...

a) They worked harder than you and achieved success.
b) Lived in a nicer house than you and had lots of fun stuff.
c) They're not afraid of educating their kids on the true value of money.
d) They are white and have all their teeth.

If it was a maori family selling up all their household effects to have enough money to go to the pub, you'd be all gooey and saying "ohhhh those poor people"."

I don't admire people who work hard, achieve success and then lose it all - bit like Lotto winners who blow it all on partying and then sign on for the dole. I haven't seen the house, but apart from wanting a larger kitchen (as anyone who knows me will attest to!), I love our house. I'd like a new lounge suite and curtains, but those things are achievable for me so I'm not envious of what they have. And I have heaps of fun stuff so no on that score too! I don't think that selling a two year old's possessions is going to teach them anything - a 10 year old, yes, but not a two year old and her younger brother. I'm white and have all my teeth, so no, not jealous there either.

If it was a maori family selling their stuff to go to the pub, I'd be thinking "well, at least they are prepared to fund their own lifestyle".

Stinks of tall poppy to me, no matter how you put it.

Lissa
26th May 2009, 14:23
Sure, cutting back and selling unwanted stuff is great (I'm doing it myself right now) but the two year old is not going to learn anything from this because she's far too young to understand what's going on. Hell, I don't even LIKE kids and yet I still think it is wrong to punish the the kids - what dent in their finances is the sale of a trampoline and a table and chairs set going to make?The kids arent being punished, to be honest kids dont really need alot of stuff, and in my experience the stuff they want they dont use or its played with for one day and then forgotten. A two year old would be happy with an big empty box and some bubble wrap. Hell my kids have a trampoline and they dont even use the damn thing. (They probably have more than one tramp anyway.) I am sure the kids were asked first what they would like to sell, and they are being involved (from an early age) in financial responsibility. Those kids really arent going to want for anything in the future.

Swoop
26th May 2009, 15:30
Don't understand you lot knocking these people.
Makes no difference.
He's still a plumber.

JimO
26th May 2009, 15:38
Makes no difference.
He's still a plumber.

without plumbers we would all be in the shit

Swoop
26th May 2009, 15:39
without plumbers we would all be in the shit
Tell that to the bears...

HRT
26th May 2009, 15:39
Poor them they have to sell their racecars? Must be really hard up

Reminds me of a Fred Dagg track...

McDuck
26th May 2009, 15:50
They be really in the shit if they cant sell a few big ticket itoms and get out of it.


they must have been really blind to to not see it coming.

Forest
27th May 2009, 18:06
Easy come, easy go.

Donor
27th May 2009, 21:45
A drive through coffee shop that fits maybe two cars in the front, you have to get out to an exposed window to get ya coffee, and that's if you're game enough to cross one of the busiest intersections in Papakura to get to it (Corner of Great South & Beach Roads)!

They had The Rock FM there on 3 mornings over 3 consecutive weeks, with dolly birds prancing around offering free coffees.

They're the second or third owners I believe - the business is a sink hole for dosh.

Some sympathy, but not a lot.

Though selling the kids toys - think how much the cherubs (Subaru and Toyota wasn't it?) will appreciate their posessions in future once they know what having little actually means.