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Originally Posted by slofox

If you want to grow stuff in limited space you need hydroponic nutrients. Applied daily. Might not solve all problems but will help.

I've still got some left over after the indoor tomato and broccoli growing experiment. Didn't think about using them . Next time mebee

Originally Posted by Mrs Bun

Iv got some Virginia Gold out in the weeds here. Has the most beautiful scent that wafts about at night. and it grows on a runner are yours doing that?

Dunno what breed it is, just received some seeds from a kind fulla, grew them and shoved them in old 10 litre paint tubs donated by a friend. First attempt for me. What's a runner? Planets took a pasting in the wind last night and there are ripped leaves all over the place. Ah well, live and learn.

Iv got some Virginia Gold out in the weeds here. Has the most beautiful scent that wafts about at night. and it grows on a runner are yours doing that?

If you want to grow stuff in limited space you need hydroponic nutrients. Applied daily. Might not solve all problems but will help.

There are elements of Socialism, Communism, Capitalism and pretty much any other ism that's out there, but the idea is more one of social conscience in that things need to get done and as you're not receiving a financial award for it, you're doing it because it helps others out... in return others do things that help you out. For instance a Doctor and a Bin Man all need to eat, drink, have the rubbish cleared, drive etc... and it takes a whole raft of people doing all sorts of jobs for that to happen. If neither can eat, they both die, if the sewerage is not dealt with they'll probably die etc... so whose job is more important? the Doctor? The Bin Man? or the thousands and thousands of people who produce the goods (food, water, sewage treatment etc...) that The Doctor or Bin Man rely on to be Doctors and Bin Men. The idea that we value either over those who keep them alive is insane. Not enough people understand that concept. If they did there'd be no need to label the society in which you're living. Waffle waffle yadda yadda, Essentially though, people will do jobs because they have to. We currently do this for money and it makes one fuck load of a mess of everything. Remove it from the local economy entirely and treat everyone's job as important as everyone else's and we may be in with shout of addressing the BIG issues in New Zealand.

With no money, free food, water, housing etc... available, why would anyone need to prostitute themselves? There may be some who enjoy it, but I'm guessing they're few and far between and the rest are just earning a living? Perhaps I need a field trip

Sounds a bit like Socialism to me, and I can't figure out how all that will remove a need for prostitution.

Cheers BOGAR... I love the idea of gated community, but also see it as a sort of self-enforced segregation in regards to not being the norm. One of the ideas behind, well, the idea, is that we would work "smarter". To the point where you wouldn't drive 50 miles to work if you could do the job from home or where there is someone else who drives to near where you are that has the same skills as you, if you see what I mean. If the skills are available locally, then I would expect "us" to use them locally and instead of a gated community there would be just a community. Ideally mini hospitals would spring up everywhere, as would schools etc... Dreams eh, who'd have 'em .

I agree about the working for reward part. The only way around it is to have small self regulating groups. A friend once suggested I join a group of people to form a gated community. Every one brings a skill and we all be come self sufficient as would be required. In such a small community each member has to contribute to the cause and would be easily seen if not. The only unfortunate part of this is it is hard to up-scale as you lose the close nit community where every one know each other. I know its not the be all and end all but at the time I really was considering it.
I enjoyed reading this however and like the thought process behind it.

Cheers OutLaw. It's a shame the sewn seeds are covered by so much manure . I'd love to get the idea out to the masses but unfortunately that takes a shit load of cash and expertise that I don't have. Reckon TPTB will give me a grant? $10 million should do it I fancy that given access to the required resources, an option could be tabled before the next election. I wouldn't say that's high hopes either, well not too high given the subject matter, as interest will be all over the country in next to no time... give it a year and I reckon minds will be made up. Give it another year for the completion and production of policy, legislation and potentially new constitution documentation (including foreign policy and trade, likely the thing that will drag the process) and I reckon we'd be ready bar the shouting... after all, we wouldn't just be ramming through an amendment to a law, EVERYONE would need to be asked, including "kids" (13+ give or take).

As you have mentioned in this post these are some of your points of view on an already existing idea, an idea that I have come across a number of times in the past including well before this current global economic situation.

I feel that this is an idea that should be put before the masses. Like sowing seeds, it takes time before you see growth. Same goes for an idea...sow the idea and watch it grow (a bit of added help along the way wouldn't hurt either).

If even a considerable proportion of people took this onboard and started to discuss this as a possible new direction and solution to this horrific global recession, then that would be a notable step in a better direction than where we are now.
Every new design and plan has its kinks and creases that need to be worked through and ironed out, this being no different.

I for one have always been a fan of the age old barter system and I believe that this is in some ways a much more advanced and updated type of barter system. "You can do a certain job that I can't, I have a certain product that you need". A trading of goods and services had and has worked in communitys world wide both at current times and over centurys gone by. With a lot of serious thought and planning this should be able to work on a much larger scale.

Why do you need to be rewarded for working? If the money tap is switched off tomorrow and everyone stops working what's going to happen? If you and everyone else decides not to go to work, food and clean water will run out within hours. Nothing else will matter. Would you bother then? Knowing that the work I do is required is enough of a reward for me.

If everyone has the attitude where a job can just be half-arsed, then you end up with a 3rd rate country that'll collapse given a bit of a shake, which would kinda defeat the purpose of having a free local economy.

Perhaps some incentive will be needed (travel perhaps), but I would have thought having a free society that ticks along Swiss style, heh, and can innovate and develop out with financial constraints would be incentive enough to do as good of a job as you possibly can... after all, no man is an island and we ALL rely on someone else... even those who believe that they are entrepreneurs and that they have gotten themselves to where they are. They have relied on their staff, friends, mentors and customers etc... to think any other way is all but delusional.

As mentioned, these sorts of things will need to be addressed by those who draft up any proposal for such a society.

A very interesting article.

But without reward for the work or effort being put in, and knowing that you will get everything you need for free, why bother? Why would I bother going to work and putting in an effort?

And even if I did go to work, why would I do anything more than a half arsed job, knowing that I'm going to get everything provided for me just like the guy working next to me slaving his arse off.

I, unfortunately in ways, give a shit for a future that isn't going to be mine. It would seem that the prevailing attitude is the opposite with denial being the ignorant excuse... hey ho, each to their own. I hope that someday everyone in the country starts to understand the message that I'm trying to convey and then perhaps the future will look a little brighter for this country if nowhere else. As for being the president of the universe, I don't want it, someone else can have that trapping.

Reckon you should apply for job as president of the universe :-)