Help Needed - Stolen Motorcycle in Auckland CBD Hotel - CCTV Video Footage

[bsasuper]

Judges going soft?, maybe they wont when the public start dishing out justice, not with a wet bus ticket, but a hard baseball bat.Its the only way to get maybe just a little bit of sence into their thick skulls.

[Reckless]

Ugh.

They don't "choose" not to. They have references they have to adhere to, previous decisions and the gravity, deterrence and denunciation of the situation - then add in early guilty plea discounts, mitigating and aggravating factors. It's not quite as simple as, "Yup, you go jail now k."

no, the judges set the precedent not the government.
the government set the laws and maximum. The sentence is there, they choose not to go out of the norm as the don't want any sentence to go to appeal.

And it is just that simple.

For the second time you have chosen to complete ignore the reasons I laid out on why they can't do what you're suggesting they choose not to do. I know when to give up.
Armchair lawyers, love it.

Having an opinion doesn't make Boris an armchair lawyer imho??
And why should we give up (as you say)?? Its only the judges that can change the guide lines if the law already provides for sentences they are not dishing out??
I don't think he ignored your reasons? Boris just wants what we all want a stronger deterrent! Fuck giving them discounts etc and bleeding the sentence to nothing. Simply turn down their appeal or give them even more time when they do! I know for a fact the police get very very sick of doin all that work and they get off for the third time with community service or something similar! The cops are as pissed off with the system as we are, arresting the same wankers, for the same things over an over!!
Its probably 1/2 the reason they can't keep staff??

[BoristheBiter]

For the second time you have chosen to complete ignore the reasons I laid out on why they can't do what you're suggesting they choose not to do. I know when to give up.
Armchair lawyers, love it.

No i didn't ignore the reasons. i just think you are wrong.
Did you even read the link i posted? that is the sentence handed down from government, after that it is down to the judges

You call me an armchair lawyer, where did you get your degree from?

[MSTRS:Me]

For the second time you have chosen to complete ignore the reasons I laid out on why they can't do what you're suggesting they choose not to do. I know when to give up.
Armchair lawyers, love it.

Ah, but they can.
Judges may look to precedents, but they are not impelled to follow them.
Being convicted of tagging can be a jailable offence. Never imposed though.
A HB judge has recently set a new precedent, whereby he ignored previous sentences and sent the little shits to jail.
There is now a new precedent for other judges to measure against.

[zeocen]

MSTRS: As I said, the Judge would've looked at the mitigating, aggravating factors, early discounts on pleas, whether they have community and family support, deterrence and denunciation and sometimes the onus on the accused/prisoner to satisfy the Judge on whether they can be trusted in the community or not. Just because there is a maximum, doesn't mean they CAN give out one - the implications are colossal.

It's not just, "You're a bad apple, DO NOT PASS GO." They have a whole range of factors to decide within the law that's given to them.

Reckless: Re. giving up, that was in relation to giving up talking to the other champion, no idea how Katman, Scumdog, et cetera have kept their sanity this long...

And with that I'm out! Glad it all worked out and the criminals are arrested, hooray!

[MSTRS:Me]

MSTRS: As I said, the Judge would've looked at the mitigating, aggravating factors, early discounts on pleas, whether they have community and family support, deterrence and denunciation and sometimes the onus on the accused/prisoner to satisfy the Judge on whether they can be trusted in the community or not. Just because there is a maximum, doesn't mean they CAN give out one - the implications are colossal.

Judge looked at all that, then said (and I paraphrase) "The community is sick of this tagging nonsense, and so am I. The law allows me to send you to jail, and that's where you are going."
He went on to say that any other tagger appearing before him could expect the same deal.

In other words - this judge has now set a new precedent, that others around the country may look to when they deal with taggers.

[Reckless]

In other words - this judge has now set a new precedent, that others around the country may look to when they deal with taggers.

Your a wise man John boy!! The only way to set a new line in the sand is not to follow the old one!

[caseye]

Whats more the law is set in stone, but the judges can hand out any penalty "they" think fit within the boundaries of the sentencing mins and maximums that already exist.
The HB Judge is a real person, sick of the BS that does go on inside the courtrooms and the plea bargaining that already exists here, I for one salute his stand and hope that the rest wake up and smell the rotten crap that comes form these arsehole criminals and DO SOMETHING about it as he has done.
The endless list of excuses,apologies and i didn't knows must be curtailed, if you do the crime be prepared to do the time.
Lets make the TIME mean something NZ Judges.
Our Police are sick to the back teeth of coming up against the same felons time and time again for the same crimes and for naturally worrying that these offenders are going to go on and commit bigger and more dangerous crimes if allowed( as they are) to do so.

[terbang]

Well that was an interesting thread along with hideous video footage of a couple of complete morons wrecking a good bike. Some one else's bike too.

Good on the Plod for catching them, its their job and they did it well. Credit where credit is due.

I'm not a lawyer but as an average New Zealander, I'm left with the overwhelming impression that those two morons will get an easy ride on this. That is really bad.

Perhaps a bit more of the "pipe-hittin' niggers, who'll go to work on the boys with a pair of pliers and a blow torch" mentality will do it justice.

[Conquiztador]

The human race has no chance if these two are an indication of who are multiplying.

Gene-pool clensing should be high on the agenda!

[imdying]

What are the names of the cops that did the dead? I'd like to send them some donuts. We rag on them for the stupid shit they have to do, lets do something nice for them when they do good work for us

[Swoop]

What are the names of the cops that did the dead?

I guess the name would be "necrophiliac"???

Which (ironically) really should relate to where the bike thieves should be located.

[Reckless]

Our Police are sick to the back teeth of coming up against the same felons time and time again for the same crimes and for naturally worrying that these offenders are going to go on and commit bigger and more dangerous crimes if allowed( as they are) to do so.

Yeh mate I made this same comment!

Attachment 236993

Here we go from the Salute Kiwi cops Facebook.
Several posts on different cases!
Expressing their dismay at short sentences! This is only page one from today's Facebook.

The pdf might be more visible same as the pic.

[knuckles24]

I couldn't watch anymore as i was getting to angry, i hope they catch the fuckers who pinched your bike or if someone else who can identify them for you then you can go round and torture the bastards.

[Virago]

I couldn't watch anymore as i was getting to angry, i hope they catch the fuckers who pinched your bike or if someone else who can identify them for you then you can go round and torture the bastards.

Dude - if you're going to dredge up an old thread, at least read the damn thing...