MAG-NZ Launches in New Zealand

[Mom]

Surely people can support both? Membership to both MAG and BRONZ is hardly budget blowing so there must be some way of working cooperatively rather than being seen automatically as "competitively"?

Absolutely Dawn! We dont see ourselves as a threat to BRONZ, we simply have a different approach to things, and will appeal to a broader range of bikers in NZ than BRONZ does. Broader representation can not be a bad thing, as we are all on the same page regarding equity and safety when push comes to shove. We are looking forward to working with BRONZ in the times to come, to get the absolute best outcomes for our members.

[nodrog:Me]

I like how the President looks like she is naked in her profile photograph, that sealed the deal for me

Fanny

[The Stranger:Me]

Well I would certainly be stapling a copy of one to each job sheet I hand the customer.

What they do with it is their business.

And in fact, I don't need a shit load of them. I only need one that I can print off copies of.

I'm sure you would. But history would suggest that you are a minority.
How many people received their free RRRS voucher from bike shops? Wasn't country wide of course and I know a few did, but of the thousands printed only a few were returned.
Of little value perhaps but what about all those that got the free safety vests delivered to bike shops up and down the country courtesy of ACC. Well again, perhaps people just didn't want them. But the free copy of the Biker's Bible, now that would have been handy.
Did the bike shops distribute them? Well a few did, but judging by the numbers we got back not bloody many.

Just a history lesson is all katman. Not saying times haven't changed or that your idea wont work this time round. Perhaps you could take a new tack - you could pay the bike shops to distribute your message, I'm sure that would do it?

[MSTRS:Me]

Retailers are notoriously lazy, so dumping stuff on their doorstep isn't enough.
The trick is to get the shops involved.

[avgas]

While I do enjoy a good wank in the morning, this thread bores me.

Burn down the beehive.

[Rem]

We are currently writing policy on training. MAG believes in, and supports advanced rider training. We will be lobbying hard to get better access to advanced training for bikers around NZ. This ACTION - taking advanced rider training, falls under our umbrella of "Personal Action" and forms part of the MAG policy...

I'm pissed off we were sold out (by bike organizers / spokepersons) after BIKEO1
It seems they were after (and got) a share of the $30 levy imposed on us, so they could fund their own rider training schemes.

Do you have plans to apply for funding?

[Mom]

I'm pissed off we were sold out (by bike organizers / spokepersons) after BIKEO1. It seems they were after (and got) a share of the $30 levy imposed on us, so they could fund their own rider training schemes.

Do you have plans to apply for funding?

There have been no decisions made on how the $30 is being spent, right now it is all about consultation. If you could have a say on how it was used, what would you want to see happen?

We dont have plans to apply for any funding, but we do support having advanced rider training available, as inexpensively as possible, in as many areas in NZ, to as many riders that want to take advantage of it.

[The Stranger:Me]

Surely people can support both? Membership to both MAG and BRONZ is hardly budget blowing so there must be some way of working cooperatively rather than being seen automatically as "competitively"?

Hmm, sure people can support both, and why not?
Well that one is piss easy - apathy.

Surely there must be competition. Competition for support, competition for funds and surely competing ideas (if not why go to the trouble of re-inventing the wheel?).
Lets face it in most areas competition is good. Lobby groups (as with say unions and few others) though, well I'm not so sure that 2 small insignificant groups perhaps delivering different messages even is such a good thing.

Hey, not saying it shouldn't be done, or that it wont work and I'm more than happy to have people out there helping protect my interests for me. Just wondering at the logic is all

[DMNTD:Me]

My thoughts would be that training that the rider "wants" to do will always be more effective than the training s/he is "forced" to do - there is a drive to succeed and improve vs. a barrier that just needs to be overcome..... in this sense the personal choice of the rider becomes a major benefit not disadvantage

Got to disagree on that one. There are way too many current riders,returning riders and even n00bies that genuinely believe that their riding is 'good' when it most certainly is not.
I don't like to be forced into doing anything but if the desired result is to up skill all motorcyclists on the road then I believe it will need to be made mandatory.

[Bald Eagle]

Got to disagree on that one. There are way too many current riders,returning riders and even n00bies that genuinely believe that their riding is 'good' when it most certainly is not.
I don't like to be forced into doing anything but if the desired result is to up skill all motorcyclists on the road then I believe it will need to be made mandatory.

Mandatory only works if the "cost of compliance" is not excessive and going by the ACC costing model that's most unlikely. Ergo mandatory upskilling will result in less compliance and no increase in skill levels.

It's one thing to drag the horse to water, another to make it drink, and if it has to pay it's going to kick.

[DMNTD:Me]

Mandatory only works if the "cost of compliance" is not excessive and going by the ACC costing model that's most unlikely. Ergo mandatory upskilling will result in less compliance and no increase in skill levels.

It's one thing to drag the horse to water, another to make it drink, and if it has to pay it's going to kick.

Understood...however I still believe that a new level of licensing system needs to be implemented sooner than later.
So sure, maybe not the existing holders but the new applicants...

[bogan]

Understood...however I still believe that a new level of licensing system needs to be implemented sooner than later.
So sure, maybe not the existing holders but the new applicants...

It's not just bikers that could benefit from a new level of licensing though, all road users would stand to benifit from extra training. Some shocking road users of all types out there.

[DMNTD:Me]

It's not just bikers that could benefit from a new level of licensing though, all road users would stand to benifit from extra training. Some shocking road users of all types out there.

100% agreed...I know better then most about that (dang it) but since this thread is bike related I thought best I only mention motorcyclists so it doesn't turn into a typical KB BS thread re 'cages' and it being everyone else's fault

[Brian d marge]

True, no argument about that but they suffer no consequence from their political actions or affiliations!

Other than the three yearly MMP mock election, where they may get thrown out of a seat and then stroll back in through the party vote back door!

They think that they are untouchable under MMP!

We (motorcyclists) should target Nick Smith personally and really hound him into political oblivion!

If we do it well enough the National party will quickly abandon him in their own interest!

It would also establish motorcyclists as a group not to be fucked with in the future!

One objective, one target, one focus a clear time frame and a united front...I.E. his ACC crimes against us!

We have time to do it by the next election, just focus on "Smith" and nothing else and pound him every day 24/7!

Death by a thousand cuts is still death and we could cut him up good if we really "wanted to", thousands of us!

Cut him out of the mob and do him, that's the way nature does it! The bastard!

I take it you wont be Voting for Mr Slick Dick , innthe next election then

Your post is EXACTLY what should be happening , unfortuantly we need at least 12 000 MORE
here is what happened last time;

National Party	1,053,398	44.93	41	17	58
Labour Party	796,880	33.99	21	22	43
Green Party	157,613	6.72	0	9	9
ACT New Zealand	85,496	3.65	1	4	5
Māori Party	55,980	2.39	5	0	5
Jim Anderton's Progressive	21,241	0.91	1	0	1
United Future	20,497	0.87	1	0	1
New Zealand First Party	95,356	4.07	0	0	0
The Bill and Ben Party	13,016	0.56	0	0	0
Kiwi Party	12,755	0.54	0	0	0
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party	9,515	0.41	0	0	0
New Zealand Pacific Party	8,640	0.37	0	0	0
Family Party	8,176	0.35	0	0	0
Alliance	1,909	0.08	0	0	0
Democrats for Social Credit	1,208	0.05	0	0	0
Libertarianz	1,176	0.05	0	0	0
Workers Party	932	0.04	0	0	0
RAM - Residents Action Movement	465	0.02	0	0	0
The Republic of New Zealand Party	313	0.01	0	0	0
			70	52	122

basically at the last big rally I heard of , the bikoi ( 5000?? ) the smoke dope party had more people voting for it than was at the bikoi

Even if you add in the stay at home bikers , AND EVERYONE VOTES , there were about 60 000 rego in 2003 ish , thats still maori party level

So you see THERE is NO room for private agendas, EVERYONE , MUST work together ,
No one can afford to say I am out of politics, or it doesn't concern me ( those that do something have every right to feel pissed of towards those that don't ( do anything )

Trouble is as a western culture , its a culture of individuals , on top of that Motorcyclists are the biggest individuals we know ,,,, 60 000 differing opinions doesn't help anyone

The 3 groups that represent motorcyclists , need to sit down , stop pretending they are important or non political ( one group could be non political , but the OTHER MUST BE ) and come up with a very simple plan

We the motorcyclists of NZ will lend out voting block towards any group that can remove Mr slick dick from office ,


Stephen

( Ps, if you borrow the money you must dance to the tune the piper plays )

[Bald Eagle]

The combined voting public didn't have the smarts to know they where being conned when we ended up getting MMP foisted upon us, I doubt the tribe of feral cats called bikers can focus enough to remove a single MP ... but I would love to be proved wrong on that. Go on i dare yah.

[caseye]

I take it you wont be Voting for Mr Slick Dick , innthe next election then

Your post is EXACTLY what should be happening , unfortuantly we need at least 12 000 MORE
here is what happened last time;

National Party	1,053,398	44.93	41	17	58
Labour Party	796,880	33.99	21	22	43
Green Party	157,613	6.72	0	9	9
ACT New Zealand	85,496	3.65	1	4	5
Māori Party	55,980	2.39	5	0	5
Jim Anderton's Progressive	21,241	0.91	1	0	1
United Future	20,497	0.87	1	0	1
New Zealand First Party	95,356	4.07	0	0	0
The Bill and Ben Party	13,016	0.56	0	0	0
Kiwi Party	12,755	0.54	0	0	0
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party	9,515	0.41	0	0	0
New Zealand Pacific Party	8,640	0.37	0	0	0
Family Party	8,176	0.35	0	0	0
Alliance	1,909	0.08	0	0	0
Democrats for Social Credit	1,208	0.05	0	0	0
Libertarianz	1,176	0.05	0	0	0
Workers Party	932	0.04	0	0	0
RAM - Residents Action Movement	465	0.02	0	0	0
The Republic of New Zealand Party	313	0.01	0	0	0
			70	52	122

basically at the last big rally I heard of , the bikoi ( 5000?? ) the smoke dope party had more people voting for it than was at the bikoi

Even if you add in the stay at home bikers , AND EVERYONE VOTES , there were about 60 000 rego in 2003 ish , thats still maori party level

So you see THERE is NO room for private agendas, EVERYONE , MUST work together ,
No one can afford to say I am out of politics, or it doesn't concern me ( those that do something have every right to feel pissed of towards those that don't ( do anything )

Trouble is as a western culture , its a culture of individuals , on top of that Motorcyclists are the biggest individuals we know ,,,, 60 000 differing opinions doesn't help anyone

The 3 groups that represent motorcyclists , need to sit down , stop pretending they are important or non political ( one group could be non political , but the OTHER MUST BE ) and come up with a very simple plan

We the motorcyclists of NZ will lend out voting block towards any group that can remove Mr slick dick from office ,


Stephen

( Ps, if you borrow the money you must dance to the tune the piper plays )

Coul;dn't agree more, given a chance to get establishe and to canvas our already rapidly ( long may it continue)growing membership we'll be able to put forward to the other groups what we would like to do and of course that we'd like to do it with them , given the chance.
I seriously would argue your attendance figue for the Bikoi, you say (5000?) I believe there were at least 7500 bikes parked at Westpac and another official venue, this does not allow for the many hundreds possibly thousands already in Welly city who walked to parliament from thier places of work.
While the actual number was reportedly somewhere nearer 9-10,000 in parliament grounds even that doesn't detract from yuour earlier and quite correct statement that as a group we are the most individualised bunch of hairy arsed peole out there.
This has cause the already existing groups many headaches trying to decide how to get them to join them.
We thought we'd try the direct approach.Give us twenty bucks and be ready to ride on any given day and we'll see what we can accomplish.
Our commitment is unwavering, we hope simply that those interested in change happening come forward with the same resolve.

[MarkH]

It's not just bikers that could benefit from a new level of licensing though, all road users would stand to benifit from extra training. Some shocking road users of all types out there.

Too fuckin' true, mate!

[Brian d marge]

Coul;dn't agree more, given a chance to get establishe and to canvas our already rapidly ( long may it continue)growing membership we'll be able to put forward to the other groups what we would like to do and of course that we'd like to do it with them , given the chance.
I seriously would argue your attendance figue for the Bikoi, you say (5000?) I believe there were at least 7500 bikes parked at Westpac and another official venue, this does not allow for the many hundreds possibly thousands already in Welly city who walked to parliament from thier places of work.
While the actual number was reportedly somewhere nearer 9-10,000 in parliament grounds even that doesn't detract from yuour earlier and quite correct statement that as a group we are the most individualised bunch of hairy arsed peole out there.
This has cause the already existing groups many headaches trying to decide how to get them to join them.
We thought we'd try the direct approach.Give us twenty bucks and be ready to ride on any given day and we'll see what we can accomplish.
Our commitment is unwavering, we hope simply that those interested in change happening come forward with the same resolve.

A figure ( 5000) was picked up somewhere by me , if it was 10 000 thats great , but that 10 000 needs to happen all the time every time

those clots ( and i have been in chambers ) and they are dumber than a redneck in an oean of stupidty and I doubt they understand or even realize the overall effect of their decision making ( and lack of balls)

Stephen

[caseye]

A figure ( 5000) was picked up somewhere by me , if it was 10 000 thats great , but that 10 000 needs to happen all the time every time

those clots ( and i have been in chambers ) and they are dumber than a redneck in an oean of stupidty and I doubt they understand or even realize the overall effect of their decision making ( and lack of balls)

Stephen

Different organisations depending on their perspective at the time have quoted all sorts of figures, the actual figure is unimportant in the scheme of things.Whats imnportant now is that we go forwards and present a united front to Govt of as many motoricyclists/motorists as we can possibly band together who are in fact keen enough to ride anywhere , anytime to make a point and of course to vote as a group to Oust any MP who thinks their seat may still be safe if they ignore our membership.
Poliies are and have been for many years the New Zealands publics enemy number one when it comes to people who can be trusted.
Balls? politicians? are we talking about the same species?
Cheers for the input.

[kb_SF1]

Just completed the membership process, easy and painless.

Having been on the Bikeoi, and a couple of the protest rides will join you on future ones and charity rides.

My apologies for Sunday a prior family commitment in NP, here's looking at a good turn out.