Work for the dole Yes/no?

[sunhuntin]

Limited tradeables likes smokes and beer available each week on Bludgercard.

i agree with all of your suggestions except this. i dont consider either are essential for a happy life. i think, if i was on the dole and used this card, id rather get petrol. then i wouldnt be reliant on a transport vehicle to and from the jobs outlined here.

[Winston001]

Winstone Im sorry ol son it actually is that easy. You se the infastructure is already in place in that The periodic detention (PD) system is established nation wide. PD crews only work on a saturday with a very small contingent working on one weekday.
So the equipment is there. Staffing is in place for that day so the recruiting system for PD staff could be expanded to a 6 day a wekk job

Not exactly Frosty. Periodic Detention was abolished in 2002. What used to happen was that PD Officers (who were akin to prison officers) supervised guys scrub-cutting, painting, whatever. Why it was abolished I do not know.

What we have today is Community Work -

Community work imposed can range from a minimum of 40 hours to a maximum of 400 hours. The offender must report to a probation officer who will determine the appropriate placement of the offender, ie at a community work centre or another agency, or a combination of both.

I can tell you that Corrections (Probation Service) struggles to find work. Furthermore they rely upon charities and public organisations to provide the work thus passing on the risk to community volunteers.

[FROSTY:Me]

Not exactly Frosty. Periodic Detention was abolished in 2002. What used to happen was that PD Officers (who were akin to prison officers) supervised guys scrub-cutting, painting, whatever. Why it was abolished I do not know.

well phuc me ol son Frosty really showing his age
I still think the concept is the way to go but only after 6 months.

[popelli]

- and you also have your drivers licence plucked until you DO get a job

and exactly how do you attend job interviews without the ability to get there

[davereid]

and exactly how do you attend job interviews without the ability to get there

I don't agree that you should lose your licence for not having a job. But if you can afford to run a car, then your benefit may be too high.

Even in New Zealand in the 60s, working families did not all have cars, and two car families were unusual.

You didn't ask "whats your phone number ?"
You said "Do you have the phone on" as lots of working families couldn't afford a phone.

Yet now, WINZ seem to think that a car is an essential item, and cough up for car repairs as well as home phone "in case" you need to ring the Dr.

You use your Bludgercard on the bus.

After all, you are unemployed. Your state provided job is to look for work.

So if it takes you 2 hours and you spend half of that waiting for public transport, its part of your working day.

[SPman]

You have to wonder how many Master Builders were involved in how many leaky buildings.

Quite a few........

[popelli]

I don't agree that you should lose your licence for not having a job. But if you can afford to run a car, then your benefit may be too high.

Even in New Zealand in the 60s, working families did not all have cars, and two car families were unusual.

You didn't ask "whats your phone number ?"
You said "Do you have the phone on" as lots of working families couldn't afford a phone.

Yet now, WINZ seem to think that a car is an essential item, and cough up for car repairs as well as home phone "in case" you need to ring the Dr.

You use your Bludgercard on the bus.

After all, you are unemployed. Your state provided job is to look for work.

So if it takes you 2 hours and you spend half of that waiting for public transport, its part of your working day.

I take total offence at most of your comments, having been through a couple of redundancies and been unemployed a few times its not a lot of fun and maybe you could do with a spell of looking for work and see it from the other side of the fence

Public transport in NZ is a total joke, without wheels it is difficult to get to interviews and without a phone it is impossible to be contacted re work opportunities

However my cure for being unemployed in NZ was to leave, the opportunites and money available in the uk far exceeded that in NZ, would I ever return to NZ, the answer is no, there is bugger all work and I don't fancy 6 months on the dole looking for a job

However for professional bludgers who have no intention of ever getting a job something needs to be done

[peasea]

I take total offence at most of your comments, having been through a couple of redundancies and been unemployed a few times its not a lot of fun and maybe you could do with a spell of looking for work and see it from the other side of the fence

Public transport in NZ is a total joke, without wheels it is difficult to get to interviews and without a phone it is impossible to be contacted re work opportunities

However my cure for being unemployed in NZ was to leave, the opportunites and money available in the uk far exceeded that in NZ, would I ever return to NZ, the answer is no, there is bugger all work and I don't fancy 6 months on the dole looking for a job

However for professional bludgers who have no intention of ever getting a job something needs to be done

I can see where both of you are coming from.

I've been unemployed, out of wheels and broken-arse, it isn't fun. However, I've only been on the dole once even though I've been entitled to it more than once. Thankfully I have a skill that can be utilised when needed and the first time I was unemployed I certainly wasn't out of work. I fixed cars in the driveway at home in all weathers, got covered in shite, wet, cold and sore but I paid my bills.

I KNOW there are people out there who haven't got such skills and I also know that there are people who need a right kicking every morning. The latter tend to be the majority though. (Same with solo mums, don't start me. Sure you can have an accident, but several???)

It must be a difficult job being a 'case manager' when you see deserving cases going without and long-term bludgers getting it all.

[FROSTY:Me]

Popelli. I think you are missing the point here. Guys (n gals) like you in your situation are what the system is set up for.
Dude I would fight for your right to assistance.

[avgas]

where is that winja guy - i heard he wanted his roof painted

[davereid]

I take total offence at most of your comments, having been through a couple of redundancies and been unemployed a few times its not a lot of fun and maybe you could do with a spell of looking for work and see it from the other side of the fence

No personal offence was intended ! Many kiwis are exactly as you say, very very keen to get a job, and I would begrudge non of them the dole.

But... it becomes a lifestyle for some.

And I, and everyone with a job loses income, time with their family and friends, to support a poor lifestyle choice made by someone else.

[popelli]

No personal offence was intended !

No worries

[James Deuce]

where is that winja guy - i heard he wanted his roof painted

I was under the impression that he manned up in the end and did it himself.

[scumdog]

and exactly how do you attend job interviews without the ability to get there

Bike?
Friend with car?


Most of the unemployed I know of see a car as a way of getting to court, to pick up more piss or do social visits.

Haven't had any say "Jeez, glad I have the car or I'd never have got to the interview for the job I now have"

But then I don't live in a city...

[monkeymsea]

Whoops clicked the wrong one...

I beleive that you should have to work for the doll 100 %