Work for the dole Yes/no?

[FROSTY:Me]

Given it seems that NZ is as a country in the economic shit is now the time to have benificiaries work for their money?
Im not talking about those recently made redundant more the long term career unemployed and the sickness benificiaries with no physical reason they can't work.
Maybee like the prison workshops long term benificiaries with no physical reason they can't work should be trained in manufacturing goods we currently import from third world countrys. Or maybee they could be trained to build the houses desperatly needed to house the waiting list of families.

[Mully]

Yep.

And no money unless you do.

[007XX]

Bloody oath you should.

No such thing as a free lunch etc.

[JayRacer37]

hmm. Poll results are looking fairly obvious...

Considering we are apparently/definitly in this recession thingiee Why should we pay more tax to pay people to do nothing?

I understand that due to the economy people are getting laid off, and that these people may need to go on the doll. Surely this is going to put more pressure on our taxes? If the people are working (be in meanial, for council govt etc, wherever someones 'skills' can be put to use) I have much less problem with paying my tax which includes doll payments.

[FROSTY:Me]

Actually Jay my thinking is its those poor sods who actually NEED the help. But after 6 months on a benifit you have to ask "how hard are they looking for a job?"
I'm kinda thinking as an example a well known clothing factory was forced to close down due to the price of cheap import product from overseas. The equipment was just sitting there -why not use it?

[Lissa]

Not sure how it would work, unless they work in community or non profit organisations. You cant give people on the dole work that could actually be filled by them as jobs (so they pay taxes) instead of being on the dole. Jobs will have to be created for them especially wouldnt they?

[James Deuce]

Actually Jay my thinking is its those poor sods who actually NEED the help. But after 6 months on a benifit you have to ask "how hard are they looking for a job?"
I'm kinda thinking as an example a well known clothing factory was forced to close down due to the price of cheap import product from overseas. The equipment was just sitting there -why not use it?

Because the people who know how to service it and operate it are gone too.

When you shut down a manufacturing operation it is never as simple as turning the switch back on to get it going.

Why not work for the dole? Because it doesn't inspire people to get a "real" job and the grumblement(US! We pay for it with our taxes) end up with a product that's too expensive to ship overseas and too shit to sell locally.

There's a perception that people who are on the dole somehow deserve it and are lazy, good for nothing losers. Most people who are even slightly motivated (most of you out there, I'm picking) spend minimal amounts of time on the dole, or none at all, like I did when I was made redundant. I sold my books to second hand dealers for 3 months. Bit of a bastard because I used to have a decent library, but I didn't go on the dole.

The ONLY work for the dole schemes that work are service related - digging ditches, picking up garbage from the roadside, and cleaning grumblement buildings. It has to be simple stuff that people can do with a minimum of instruction. As Lissa has pointed out, it will create a whole bunch of grumblement expense to run. Depts, policy wonks, consultants, parliamentary secretaries, and so on, and so on. All tax payer funded.

People seldom think through the end-result of tax payer funded work for the dole schemes.

Pity the poor bastard who ends up in a work for the dole scheme and gets trapped in it.

[peasea]

Actually Jay my thinking is its those poor sods who actually NEED the help. But after 6 months on a benifit you have to ask "how hard are they looking for a job?"
I'm kinda thinking as an example a well known clothing factory was forced to close down due to the price of cheap import product from overseas. The equipment was just sitting there -why not use it?

There sure are some needy people out there but hey, a hand up, not a hand OUT is what is required. I have no objection to paying people enough money to keep going, so as long as they do just that. Sitting on your arse is not an option. I also think food vouchers would be far more productive than cash and rents for bennies paid direct to the l/l. Same with power/gas etc (half are SOE's anyway) and you wouldn't get them squandering the cash on P and the like. You could even say "here's three hundy bucks worth of gas/food/electricity vouchers, you can have 'em if you fill in those potholes etc, make the vouchers last all week, cya!"

Imagine how our roads would look if all the dole bludgers were made to fill in pot-holes, smooth the bumps and sweep the gravel off the edge! (Or from anywhere for that matter.) You can do a lot with picks and shovels. It would cost very little to equip some bods with brooms for cleaning the streets, rakes for grooming the beaches, nip pourers for getting my bourbons and Mothers wax to clean my bike.

Or is that going too far?

Erm, yes, Mother's ain't cheap......

[avgas]

Well I say no to dole. For one simple, tiny little reason.......the only time in my life when i badly need it (now) i do not qualify.
I think the whole system behind the dole is bullshit - i even struggled for help for 2 week, then found defeat rung up winz - only to find that due to my age, colour, status and rent i'm paying - i get NOTHING.
You see I'm in my mid-20's, white, married, and trying to save money by only paying $130/wk in rent. If either of those had changed - i got money. If i had a new bike in the shed that i was paying off - i would get money. If i was driving round in a new car rather than the $1400 heap i have....i would get money.

This is the second time i have been cheated by this system (first time was when i was a student).
I am being turned down for jobs for 2 reasons, i'm either over qualified or under qualified.
Thank god i have been smart with my money in the past - but still living off a finite amount of cash is hard. Its not "what should i buy this week" its "what will last a month in the cupboard".
If i hear nothing from the 100's of jobs i have applied for before end of June - i'm off to put myself 30K into debt again and will do my MBA. Atleast then i will get student allowance.....hopefully.

Whats ACC payouts like - i might go lie in the road.
Being made redundant is the most crushing experience i have had in my life - but i know i will get though.

but back to topic
nah fuck em all - get them applying to 50 jobs a day like me, then they can have it........but since NONE of them are doing the same as me, they need to be raped like i have.
fuck em all
Shoot the prisoners - and put all the bludgers in there if they need the system to support them.
Make them have to act like me

[Deano]

The dole should be a backstop for a limited period only to tide people over until they can look after themselves.

Dole "lifers' should be put to work as encouragement to get them into employment - even if they only get limited skills from the experience, and perhaps some work ethics. Screw the free lunch idea.

I know a lot of examples where dole 'lifers' have 'graduated' from the dole to the sickness benefit, cause they have learnt off of other 'lifers' how to manipulate the system.

Bugger that - harden up Govt and make it harder for people to screw the system. The dole should not be a lifestyle option.

A percentage of 'dole lifers' are criminals anyway, earning well above the average wage, but squandering it on drugs and shit. These are the ones that should be targeted. Test their urine as someone else has pointed out. No pass, no dole.

Don't get all PC and try and tell me I'm wrong. I've been around.

[CookMySock]

Yes, as long as they're not working for me. Wouldn't have them near my gear.

Steve

[BBikeRR]

I would work for the doll.

[peasea]

Don't get all PC and try and tell me I'm wrong. I've been around.

Slut................

[peasea]

I would work for the doll.

Too late, Helen has left the building.....

[JimO]

also who has noticed how many sickness beneficiaries end up in the court news, like if they are fit enough to break into peoples houses they are fit enough to get a job