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    Quote Originally Posted by geestring View Post
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    They said at the end of the section about it on TV3 than Holden will NOT be affected.
    There you have it folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyer View Post
    They said at the end of the section about it on TV3 than Holden will NOT be affected.
    There you have it folks.
    The only old school US motor company to survive this recession will be Ford. They are the only one with credible, quality small and mid-sized platforms, and the only US car company to divest itself of private jets and hotels well before the recession took hold.

    The reality is that there was too much competition in the car sector, without significant points of difference. GM's aquisition and subsequent extermination of once iconic European brands rings the same bell British Leyland rang in the 60s and 70s.

    We could easily get by with one Japanese, one US, one Korean, one French, and one German marque respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedrostt500 View Post
    But holden will be renamed British Leyland and re make Morris marinas.
    Wash your mouth out, that's just down right mean...
    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post

    We could easily get by with one Japanese, one US, one Korean, one French, and one German marque respectively.
    That's probably true, if you want to argue that point I guess the world would get by with only one car and one bike manufacturer but by jove that'd be dead boring would'nt it?










    My vote goes for the VAG Group and Yamaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZsarge View Post
    Wash your mouth out, that's just down right mean...


    That's probably true, if you want to argue that point I guess the world would get by with only one car and one bike manufacturer but by jove that'd be dead boring would'nt it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZsarge View Post
    Wash your mouth out, that's just down right mean...


    That's probably true, if you want to argue that point I guess the world would get by with only one car and one bike manufacturer but by jove that'd be dead boring would'nt it?
    We couldn't get by with a single manufacturer from a single culture because there'd be no competition, no development, and little reason to produce a quality product. You'd end up with Russian cars, or worse, the Morris Marina.

    The biggest issue facing the US car industry, which Ford to their credit recognised many years ago, was that the US car industry had stagnated in terms of development and quality, while the rest of the world was going in a completely different direction. There was no market competitiion, simple brand loyalty was keeping some marques going, while the consumer had lost all interest in vehicle dynamics. They just wanted a big SUV or small truck with big rims and a giant engine. Because their dealer and manufacturers told them they did, while artificially low fuel prices encouraged the practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    We couldn't get by with a single manufacturer from a single culture because there'd be no competition, no development, and little reason to produce a quality product. You'd end up with Russian cars, or worse, the Morris Marina.
    I said it could get by with one car manufacturer, does'nt neccessarily it would be a good one...
    Just imagine, nothing but Lada's on the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyer View Post
    Not for Yamaha...
    Scuse me but i'll take an R1 over you're "FrankenGPX" any day dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZsarge View Post
    Scuse me but i'll take an R1 over you're "FrankenGPX" any day dude.
    Well if we had to stick to one motorcycle brand then reliability would be important, hence why it would be Honda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysium View Post
    Well if we had to stick to one motorcycle brand then reliability would be important, hence why it would be Honda
    If that were the case i'll stick with Lada thanks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZsarge View Post
    Scuse me but i'll take an R1 over you're "FrankenGPX" any day dude.
    So would I? Brand alligience only lasts so long...
    I would take a Honda, Suzuki etc first though.

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    DEJA VU DUDE ..


    difference is .. WE had Lee Iococca...


    On September 7, 1979, The Chrysler Corporation petitioned the United States government for US$1.5 billion in loan guarantees to avoid bankruptcy. At the same time former Ford executive Lee Iacocca was brought in as CEO. He proved to be a capable public spokesman, appearing in advertisements to advise customers that "If you find a better car, buy it." He would also provide a rallying point for Japan-bashing and instilling pride in American products. His book Talking Straight was a response to Akio Morita's Made in Japan.

    The United States Congress reluctantly passed the "Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act of 1979" (Public Law 96-185) on December 20, 1979 (signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on January 7, 1980), prodded by Chrysler workers and dealers in every congressional district who feared the loss of their livelihoods. The military then bought thousands of Dodge pickup trucks which entered military service as the Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle M-880 Series. With such help and a few innovative cars (such as the K-car platform), especially the invention of the minivan concept, Chrysler avoided bankruptcy and slowly recovered.

    In February 1982 Chrysler announced the sale of Chrysler Defense, its profitable defense subsidiary to General Dynamics for US$348.5 million. The sale was completed in March 1982 for the revised figure of US$336.1 million.[19]

    By 1983, the loans were fully repaid,[20] several years ahead of time, resulting in a profit of $350 million to the U.S. government.[21] New models based on the K-car platform were selling well. A joint venture with Mitsubishi called Diamond Star Motors strengthened the company's hand in the small car market. Chrysler acquired American Motors Corporation (AMC) in 1987, primarily for its Jeep brand, although the failing Eagle Premier would be the basis for the Chrysler LH platform sedans. This bolstered the firm, although Chrysler was still the weakest of the Big Three.


    In the early 1990s, Chrysler made its first steps back into Europe, setting up car production in Austria, and beginning right hand drive manufacture of certain Jeep models in a 1993 return to the UK market. The continuing popularity of Jeep, bold new models for the domestic market such as the Dodge Ram pickup, Dodge Viper (badged as "Chrysler Viper" in Europe) sports car, and Plymouth Prowler hot rod, and new "cab forward" front-wheel drive LH sedans put the company in a strong position as the decade waned.
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    Met Mr Iacocca when I worked at Wm. Collins Publishers.

    Also borrowed his stuff for an piece I wrote on the parallels between Motown Music and the Detroit auto industry's rise and fall. Very clever, no BS man who would be horrified at the corporate excess that developed at Chrysler and GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    The only old school US motor company to survive this recession will be Ford. They are the only one with credible, quality small and mid-sized platforms, and the only US car company to divest itself of private jets and hotels well before the recession took hold.

    The reality is that there was too much competition in the car sector, without significant points of difference. GM's aquisition and subsequent extermination of once iconic European brands rings the same bell British Leyland rang in the 60s and 70s.

    We could easily get by with one Japanese, one US, one Korean, one French, and one German marque respectively.
    Nail on the head methinks,though i read an interesting article the other day that suggested its not to late for them via producing only small front wheel drives,they suggested its to late to abort the next makeover for the Commodore but after that They base some of this on when Reuss took over Holden in 2008 his first big project was to get a small front wheel drive produced in Aussie by 2010.Personally i dont really care what happens to Holden,pretty much always have and still do drive a Ford.
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