Mid-winter Coro, 20 June

[R6_kid:Me]

I think it's called 'backing into the corner'

Good luck with that, I'm sure the moment you fuck up a corner 'backing it in' will be the last thing on your mind.

If you want to debate responsibility or anything else, start another thread.

Same goes for the people wanting to know 'what happened'... disgusting. I asked (offline) because I wanted to know if it was someone I knew, I had no interest in the details of how they died.

And then there are the people placing blame, and saying that if they were there that it wouldn't have happened. Pull your head in and have some sympathy and consideration for those that were there and for the family of the person who died.

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

[Katman]

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

As is the sad inevitability.

[Maha]

Good luck with that, I'm sure the moment you fuck up a corner 'backing it in' will be the last thing on your mind.

If you want to debate responsibility or anything else, start another thread.

Same goes for the people wanting to know 'what happened'... disgusting. I asked (offline) because I wanted to know if it was someone I knew, I had no interest in the details of how they died.

And then there are the people placing blame, and saying that if they were there that it wouldn't have happened. Pull your head in and have some sympathy and consideration for those that were there and for the family of the person who died.

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

Absolutely right Gareth, peoples lives were changed on Saturday, including the person/s in the vehicle involved, cant imagine how they (I dont know if it were a 'they') must feel.

[Shaun S]

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

This is what has been going through my head for a few days, and yes it is very disturbing.

Compassion for so many people, all at different levels of this tradegy is what is needed!

[sinfull]

Thank you Bill, always learning...once you get to the point of knowing everything you are in trouble.

I should have mentioned Maha, that my comment was my opinion only ! Know i use the back on some occations on the road but the only place its usefull on the track for me, is when i'm on the grass lol
It fucked me up big time when the front was fully compressed and i touched the back in an instinctive move,
I would normally have stayed out of the discussion but thought it relivent to give my opinion of the 675 stock set up and how light the back is as i believe the rider was on the same bike !

I have discovered another option - once in the corner release the front brake enough to lean over, stay leaning over (best chance of making the corner), let the back lock up on brakes and come around a bit before releasing it - when you feed throttle on you'll get it back. drop your body to the inside of the corner as much as possible.

As R6 said, good luck with that ! Your a far better rider than i, if your using that technique on the road ! Especially under duress !
I did make reference to Jay Lawrence and backing it in to corners, but i believe the idea is you get the back wheel sliding by dropping it through the gears rather than locking the brakes up ! (unless you cheat)

[smoky]

Good luck with that, I'm sure the moment you fuck up a corner 'backing it in' will be the last thing on your mind.


The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

Get off ya high horse dick - my comment was nothing at all to do with that, read it in context ya stirring little shit

and for your information I was not recommending it as a way to ride,
But if I find my self going way to hard into a corner (which was not the case on saturday), I'd rather trust my tyres and at lest try to get around a corner rather than lock it up and fuck off accross the other side of the road

I would normally have stayed out of the discussion but thought it relivent to give my opinion of the 675 stock set up and how light the back is as i believe the rider was on the same bike !

My comment, taken in context was not reflecting on the accident - I have no idea why he came off, and was not speculating
Someone was posting about what they would do if caught out going too hard into a corner - standing it up and locking up.
from my own experience that is not what I would try to do.

As R6 said, good luck with that ! Your a far better rider than i, if your using that technique on the road ! Especially under duress !
...... i believe the idea is you get the back wheel sliding by dropping it through the gears rather than locking the brakes up ! (unless you cheat)

It's not a thing I would do normally - but it is a better option than crossing to the other side of the road

And yes I do feel confident enough to do it, but only as a last resort, and it has worked for me. And you're right, the torque of my bike is enough to lock the wheel up in that situation

Again - no reflection on what happened on Saturday, I have stated already that more than enough riders on the scene have said "speed was not a factor"

[R6_kid:Me]

Get off ya high horse dick - my comment was nothing at all to do with that, read it in context ya stirring little shit

Take a chill pill.

I'd rather trust my tyres and at lest try to get around a corner rather than lock it up and fuck off accross the other side of the road

That's all you had to say.

I just don't think it's kosha to be discussing options of how to avoid a particular situation, in a thread about a ride where it is known that someone died in that exact situation.

I have nothing against discussing the 'what would you do/what is best' in a given situation, I just don't think this is the right place.

[smoky]

Take a chill pill.
That's all you had to say.

You quoted me and linked it with the accident

Pull your head in and have some sympathy and consideration for those that were there and for the family of the person who died.

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

when my comment was in no way referring to what happened, or reflecting my thoughts on it.

I just don't think it's kosha to be discussing options of how to avoid a particular situation, in a thread about a ride where it is known that someone died in that exact situation.
... I just don't think this is the right place.

point taken

[Zapf]

Why invite some one that "never ride loop, doesn't even know how to get to Kopu, first KB ride and you not sure if he is serious and you never talk to him and new riders or warn them abouth roads" .You never talk to us as a group on that day, we lost 1/2 riders as we left BP which have gone strait to Kopu, no communication what so ever, at Kopu I had to ask you infront of everyone which way we going......why organize the ride you should know better!DEATH INK you are out of my friends list will never ride with you again.

Listern up. "Death" & company is someone that I will always have no issues riding with. When I started riding 5 years ago from a 250cc Newbie they have been around and I have learnt much from them. You must remember, they are not a tour guide / they are not your minder. If you want to know something ASK.

My 1st ride with KB was on my 250cc VTR with 50k's on the clock. And yes it was to Waihi. Ride your own ride Oberve / Learn. I am still around.

[carver]

I have discovered another option - once in the corner release the front brake enough to lean over, stay leaning over (best chance of making the corner), let the back lock up on brakes and come around a bit before releasing it - when you feed throttle on you'll get it back. drop your body to the inside of the corner as much as possible.

Perhaps someone more experienced could describe it better - I've only had to do it a couple of times, I don't recommend it as a way to line up in a corner, but it can certainly get you around it when you find your self with no other options
I think it's called 'backing into the corner'

hi side city!

[smoky]

hi side city!

read it in context carver, ......... as apposed to locking up both brakes and heading across the other side of the road
But yes there is the risk of high siding it, depends on how far you let the back wheel go.
I'm not saying that's the way to do it all the time - but it's got me out of trouble a couple times.
The main issue is to trust your tyres more, and try to take the corner rather than brake hard and come off

Anyway - it's not an appropriate subject on this thread - so it has been pointed out, and I kind of agree in hindsight

[Katman]

Anyway - it's not an appropriate subject on this thread - so it has been pointed out, and I kind of agree in hindsight

Nothing's 'appropriate' after something like this.

The reality is though, that some things are more 'important' than 'appropriate'.

[aff-man]

And just how much credibility should we place on your statement to the police, III?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=84501

Just to clear up were you there? NO.

Having observed said rider earlier in the day I would say speed was NOT a factor.

Oh and putting on a slight bit of rear brake (not standing on the thing and locking it up) tips you further in and tightens your line. Have had to do this before so I know it works. But it's a reaction thing. Been riding for about 7 years and if some of the stuff i've saved in the last four happened in the first three then i'd have had a lot more crashes. It becomes instinctual and you just automatically do stuff to compensate to the bike. Track days help with this.

[Katman]

Having observed said rider earlier in the day I would say speed was NOT a factor.

If you don't make it round a corner then speed is usually a governing factor.

It might not be over the speed limit but it's still excessive speed for the situation.

[White trash]

If you don't make it round a corner then speed is usually a governing factor.

It might not be over the speed limit but it's still excessive speed for the situation.

Usually being the key word mate.

After speaking to people who witnessed this particular tradgedy, I believe this to be one of the unusual cases where excess speed was not the cause.