Bain, what's the answer going to be?

[Naki Rat]

Check out some of the 'evidence' the jury wasn't allowed to hear at the 52 minute mark on this archive:
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/thisweek...alk-zb-akl.asf

I also understand that Stuff website had the same info before it was quickly pulled

[Solly]

In Scotland they have a thrid option - Not Proven

That's cos if the tight barstards are wrong, they get off paying compo

[MaxB]

Do you know what? Some part of me still thinks he did it. I thought so then and I think so now. But you can't jail someone on intuition and the chances of getting a conviction after so long were so slim.

I wonder what would happen if in the future when he has got a wife and kids and his life turns to crap. Will he snap? If he didn't do it I guess there is nothing to worry about eh?

[98tls]

What the hell,no matter the result at least we have a new drinking game.Run round the block deliver as many newspapers as you can then return home and have a shot in every room.

[jono035]

Yeah, the problem is more that they can't prove him guilty with the current state of all the evidence. Whether he gets compensation or not depends on whether he was found not guilty because the evidence indicated that he didn't do it as opposed to there simply being not enough evidence to prove that he did.

[Manxman]

David Bain not guilty............

Right o so therefore the defence case that Robin Bain was the killer must be true then eh??

To be the killer you'd have to accept the following.......


It was a lucky guess when David Bain told 111 ambulance officer they are all dead, despite later saying he only saw two bodies

Again a lucky guess hen DB told police officer they are all dead

The 25 minute gap between DB finding his family dead and calling 111 is in no way connected with trying to wash clothes and removed blood.

The bruise on David’s head and scratches on his chest and graze on his knee – none of which he could explain, were just a coincidence

The lens from his glasses found in Stephen’s room happened weeks ago and he never noticed OR someone else had borrowed the glasses

The lack of fresh injuries on Robin despite the massive struggle with Stephen is just the product of healthy living

David’s finger prints on gun are from a previous time

David telling a friend he had premonition something bad was going to happen was a genuine psychic experience

Stephen’s blood on David’s clothing was nothing to do with the struggle – OR someone else borrowed his clothes

Robin managed to execute his family on a full bladder

The lock and key to the rifle being found in David’s room is not relevant as they were obviously placed there

Robin decided to wash David’s green jersey to remove blood and the fibres from jersey found under Steven’s finger nails

David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies

The Ambulance officer was wrong when he said in his opinion Bain was pretending to have a fit

Robin Bain would logically wear gloves to prevent fingerprints despite it being a murder-suicide

That Robin Bain would type a message on a computer for David telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared David.

Also that having just shot his family, and knowing David was due home, that Robin would wait 44 seconds for the computer to boot up to leave a message

Robin would decide David deserved to live, but go out of his way to frame him for murder

Robin Bain placed fibres from Davids jersey under Stephen’s finger nails

Robin Bain would shoot himself with a gun in the most awkward way possible?

That Robin Bain changed jerseys after he had killed his family and in particular Stephen Bain, washed the jersey, hung it on the line and then change into a brown jersey before killing himself?

That there is a logical reason that David Bain can not account for the injuries on his face, the bruise or the scraped knee, yet knows he did not have them during his paper run.

That Robin Bain put blood on the inside of David’s duvet and on his light switch

That there is an innocent explanation for why David says he put on washing before he discovered the bodies, yet there is a blood print on the washing machine.

That Laniet was being paranoid when she told friends she was scared of David

That the “family meeting” David called the previous night and insisted everyone attended was not a way to make sure everyone would be at home to kill.

That Robin Bain would wear a hat while shooting himself in the head.

That even though David told a relative he hated his father, his father did not know this and deliberately decided David was the only one who deserved to live

That David either imagined hearing Laniet gurgling or she gurgled 20 minutes after death

That Laniet allegations of incent with Robin was true, as was her claims she had given birth three times by the age of 12 and a half.

That Robin Bain managed to kill four family members without a single trace of his blood, skin, or DNA being left at the scene.

That it is a coincidence that on the morning of the murders Bain took his dog onto a property, ensuring he would be noticed to give him an alibi.

That the magazine found balanced on an edge next to Robin was not placed there by David but fell onto its edge from Robin’s arms.

That a sickly Robin Bain managed to overpower his teendage son who put up a furious fight

That Robin Bain went and got the newspaper from outside, despite planning to shoot himself

David bain has been found not guilty as a result of a concerted effort to create doubt in the mind of the public and jurors. Oh yeah the jurors, none of whom will not have heard of the case prior to the trial.

I wonder what will happen when compensation is sought and the reasonable doubt/jury is replaced by balance of evidence as viewed by a barrister.

So, do you think he's guilty???

[elevenhundred]

David Bain not guilty............

Right o so therefore the defence case that Robin Bain was the killer must be true then eh??

To be the killer you'd have to accept the following.......


It was a lucky guess when David Bain told 111 ambulance officer they are all dead, despite later saying he only saw two bodies

Again a lucky guess hen DB told police officer they are all dead

The 25 minute gap between DB finding his family dead and calling 111 is in no way connected with trying to wash clothes and removed blood.

The bruise on David’s head and scratches on his chest and graze on his knee – none of which he could explain, were just a coincidence

The lens from his glasses found in Stephen’s room happened weeks ago and he never noticed OR someone else had borrowed the glasses

The lack of fresh injuries on Robin despite the massive struggle with Stephen is just the product of healthy living

David’s finger prints on gun are from a previous time

David telling a friend he had premonition something bad was going to happen was a genuine psychic experience

Stephen’s blood on David’s clothing was nothing to do with the struggle – OR someone else borrowed his clothes

Robin managed to execute his family on a full bladder

The lock and key to the rifle being found in David’s room is not relevant as they were obviously placed there

Robin decided to wash David’s green jersey to remove blood and the fibres from jersey found under Steven’s finger nails

David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies

The Ambulance officer was wrong when he said in his opinion Bain was pretending to have a fit

Robin Bain would logically wear gloves to prevent fingerprints despite it being a murder-suicide

That Robin Bain would type a message on a computer for David telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared David.

Also that having just shot his family, and knowing David was due home, that Robin would wait 44 seconds for the computer to boot up to leave a message

Robin would decide David deserved to live, but go out of his way to frame him for murder

Robin Bain placed fibres from Davids jersey under Stephen’s finger nails

Robin Bain would shoot himself with a gun in the most awkward way possible?

That Robin Bain changed jerseys after he had killed his family and in particular Stephen Bain, washed the jersey, hung it on the line and then change into a brown jersey before killing himself?

That there is a logical reason that David Bain can not account for the injuries on his face, the bruise or the scraped knee, yet knows he did not have them during his paper run.

That Robin Bain put blood on the inside of David’s duvet and on his light switch

That there is an innocent explanation for why David says he put on washing before he discovered the bodies, yet there is a blood print on the washing machine.

That Laniet was being paranoid when she told friends she was scared of David

That the “family meeting” David called the previous night and insisted everyone attended was not a way to make sure everyone would be at home to kill.

That Robin Bain would wear a hat while shooting himself in the head.

That even though David told a relative he hated his father, his father did not know this and deliberately decided David was the only one who deserved to live

That David either imagined hearing Laniet gurgling or she gurgled 20 minutes after death

That Laniet allegations of incent with Robin was true, as was her claims she had given birth three times by the age of 12 and a half.

That Robin Bain managed to kill four family members without a single trace of his blood, skin, or DNA being left at the scene.

That it is a coincidence that on the morning of the murders Bain took his dog onto a property, ensuring he would be noticed to give him an alibi.

That the magazine found balanced on an edge next to Robin was not placed there by David but fell onto its edge from Robin’s arms.

That a sickly Robin Bain managed to overpower his teendage son who put up a furious fight

That Robin Bain went and got the newspaper from outside, despite planning to shoot himself

David bain has been found not guilty as a result of a concerted effort to create doubt in the mind of the public and jurors. Oh yeah the jurors, none of whom will not have heard of the case prior to the trial.

I wonder what will happen when compensation is sought and the reasonable doubt/jury is replaced by balance of evidence as viewed by a barrister.

Obsess much?

[Mikkel]

Interesting poll on kiwiblog http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/ where 74% consider David did it. That is off course a different question to "guilty beyond reasonable doubt".

Yes, I agree - polls are very interesting... not. Especially considering that they are held amongst uninformed members of the public who are - as this very thread is adequated eviden of - not exactly shy in forming an opinion without having the full picture.

EDIT: I blame C2O5HO for the shitty spelling.

[Skyryder]

Yes, I agree - polls are very interesting... not. Especially considering that they are held amongst uninformed members of the public who are - as this very thread is adequated eviden of - not exactly shy in forming an opinion without having the full picture.

Actuall Mikkel I think most here on KB are very informed on the Bain case. Regualrdless of their opinion as to guilt or innocence.



Skyryder

[98tls]

Yes, I agree - polls are very interesting... not. Especially considering that they are held amongst uninformed members of the public who are - as this very thread is adequated eviden of - not exactly shy in forming an opinion without having the full picture.

Yea yea,its the intereweb what else can you expect.Last time i saw you you were expressing your opinion to a rather uninformed wooden seat outside the piss tent at the March Hare.Seems said wooden seat was unimpressed so you sunk futher into depravity and attempted to convince the already oppressed blades of grass beneath you.

[Mikkel]

Actuall Mikkel I think most here on KB are very informed on the Bain case. Regualrdless of their opinion as to guilt or innocence.

Compared to the jury - I'd fucking hope not considering some of the sentiment expressed in here.

Yea yea,its the intereweb what else can you expect.Last time i saw you you were expressing your opinion to a rather uninformed wooden seat outside the piss tent at the March Hare.Seems said wooden seat was unimpressed so you sunk futher into depravity and attempted to convince the already oppressed blades of grass beneath you.

It's only polite to ask a seat if your sit on it before doing so - just as it's only polite to ask the grass if it wants its hair washed before puking on it. (That said, I can't recall ejecting my guts at the march hare....)

But I'll bloody well stand by my statement. People are so fucking busy forming opinions and passing judgement without knowing half the story - it's quite sickening to behold. ...not that it was anyone else's business in the first place mind.

[98tls]

Compared to the jury - I'd fucking hope not considering some of the sentiment expressed in here.



It's only polite to ask a seat if your sit on it before doing so - just as it's only polite to ask the grass if it wants its hair washed before puking on it. (That said, I can't recall ejecting my guts at the march hare....)

But I'll bloody well stand by my statement. People are so fucking busy forming opinions and passing judgement without knowing half the story - it's quite sickening to behold. ...not that it was anyone else's business in the first place mind.

Thats lovely dear.

[MisterD]

The bloke had served 13 of his original 16 year sentence and the jury had sat though that pompous tw@t of a defence lawyer for three months...they simply thought "not guilty" is the path of least resistance and we get to go home.

[RantyDave]

That Robin Bain would type a message on a computer for David telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared David.

Yeah, I wondered about that. But a lot of the defence evidence talked about various contractors coming to the school and finding Robin fucking about with computers instead of looking after the school. So, yeah, maybe he was mad enough to type a suicide note on a computer ... in the 80's.

Anyway, Robin Bain hasn't been found guilty ... there has been found to be reasonable doubt in the case against David Bain which is a different concept all together. It seems clear to me that the Police fucked up royally either which way.

Dave

[Nasty]

Sorry, I think that this jury could go no other way ... due to the simple basics on evidence being destroyed and not being able to be analysed properly under the new testing regimes that have been developed. That the assumptions made, and the scene protections were handled in a shonky manner even in the 90's ....

There is no way that what was done should have been done, whether he is actually guilty is acutally truely irrelevant ...

The defence team do not have to prove innocence (which has to be proved in order to get a payout from the government) ....

As with guilt this can't really be done due to the inappropriate treatment of cruicial evidence in the case.