Bain, what's the answer going to be?

[peasea]

Can "beyond reasonable doubt" principle/arguments be applied to speeding tickets as well?

Hell no, and I'll tell you why; even though the Bain case would have cost millions it's not an everyday occurrence. The revenue gathered through speeding tickets is ongoing and is now part of the police operating budget, ie; they need that cash to pay for wrecked patrol cars that are parked across State Highways at 90deg to block the path of oncoming bikers.

Plus; most speeding tickets are issued on the basis of information gathered by what are deemed to be infallible machines, radars and lasers. The human element has been removed, along with discretion. (And good manners etc.)

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david bain not guilty............

Right o so therefore the defence case that robin bain was the killer must be true then eh??

To be the killer you'd have to accept the following.......


it was a lucky guess when david bain told 111 ambulance officer they are all dead, despite later saying he only saw two bodies

again a lucky guess hen db told police officer they are all dead

the 25 minute gap between db finding his family dead and calling 111 is in no way connected with trying to wash clothes and removed blood.

The bruise on david’s head and scratches on his chest and graze on his knee – none of which he could explain, were just a coincidence

the lens from his glasses found in stephen’s room happened weeks ago and he never noticed or someone else had borrowed the glasses

the lack of fresh injuries on robin despite the massive struggle with stephen is just the product of healthy living

david’s finger prints on gun are from a previous time

david telling a friend he had premonition something bad was going to happen was a genuine psychic experience

stephen’s blood on david’s clothing was nothing to do with the struggle – or someone else borrowed his clothes

robin managed to execute his family on a full bladder

the lock and key to the rifle being found in david’s room is not relevant as they were obviously placed there

robin decided to wash david’s green jersey to remove blood and the fibres from jersey found under steven’s finger nails

david’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies

the ambulance officer was wrong when he said in his opinion bain was pretending to have a fit

robin bain would logically wear gloves to prevent fingerprints despite it being a murder-suicide

that robin bain would type a message on a computer for david telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared david.

Also that having just shot his family, and knowing david was due home, that robin would wait 44 seconds for the computer to boot up to leave a message

robin would decide david deserved to live, but go out of his way to frame him for murder

robin bain placed fibres from davids jersey under stephen’s finger nails

robin bain would shoot himself with a gun in the most awkward way possible?

That robin bain changed jerseys after he had killed his family and in particular stephen bain, washed the jersey, hung it on the line and then change into a brown jersey before killing himself?

That there is a logical reason that david bain can not account for the injuries on his face, the bruise or the scraped knee, yet knows he did not have them during his paper run.

That robin bain put blood on the inside of david’s duvet and on his light switch

that there is an innocent explanation for why david says he put on washing before he discovered the bodies, yet there is a blood print on the washing machine.

That laniet was being paranoid when she told friends she was scared of david

that the “family meeting” david called the previous night and insisted everyone attended was not a way to make sure everyone would be at home to kill.

That robin bain would wear a hat while shooting himself in the head.

That even though david told a relative he hated his father, his father did not know this and deliberately decided david was the only one who deserved to live

that david either imagined hearing laniet gurgling or she gurgled 20 minutes after death

that laniet allegations of incent with robin was true, as was her claims she had given birth three times by the age of 12 and a half.

That robin bain managed to kill four family members without a single trace of his blood, skin, or dna being left at the scene.

That it is a coincidence that on the morning of the murders bain took his dog onto a property, ensuring he would be noticed to give him an alibi.

That the magazine found balanced on an edge next to robin was not placed there by david but fell onto its edge from robin’s arms.

That a sickly robin bain managed to overpower his teendage son who put up a furious fight

that robin bain went and got the newspaper from outside, despite planning to shoot himself

david bain has been found not guilty as a result of a concerted effort to create doubt in the mind of the public and jurors. Oh yeah the jurors, none of whom will not have heard of the case prior to the trial.

I wonder what will happen when compensation is sought and the reasonable doubt/jury is replaced by balance of evidence as viewed by a barrister.

egg fuck'n zackly

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Were you a prosecution witness or something bwr???

These facts have been known, published and widely discussed over the last 14 years or so.

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get on the speaking circuit.

He's never had a chance to practice - Karam's alway done it for him.

I think the fucker might be mute

[usa-vtwin]

Not Guilty doesnt mean they didn't think he did it..it doesnt mean they think Robin is guilty either...just means that they cant prove beyond ALL doubt David is the killer. Personally after following the trial, reading the books, following the forums, and hearing the evidence against him I thought he was guilty as. At least their will be no retrial at the tax payers expense. Compensation? unlikely as he would have to prove his innocence 100%

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Compensation? unlikely as he would have to prove his innocence 100%

They won't even attempt it

[ManDownUnder]

And it only took the jurors six hours to arrive at not guilty. If there was ever a case to bin the jury system this was it................


Skyryder

He was released under a Labour Govt too.... probably the one thing they got right...

[ManDownUnder]

Let's assume he was guilty for a second... How much of jail term did he get off?

... closely followed by question 2... how many others are in this same boat? So what's the big deal over Bain? Or is it the amount of public money spent on it - in which case I think your angst should be directed at Social Welfare

You lot clearly need lives. It's done, the decision was made by a jury of 12 peers there's nothing that beating the issue up yet again in the KB Kangaroo Justice System is going to achieve...

Unless the little voices are just too loud ... just let it go...

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He was released under a Labour Govt too.... probably the one thing they got right...

Do you honestly not understand that the judicial system is separate and independent of the parliamentary system?

[ManDownUnder]

Do you honestly not understand that the judicial system is separate and independent of the parliamentary system?

noooooooooooooooooo really? I do know they're as tighly linked as KB and the judicial system, so the comment's every bit as useful as this thread ... which may have been my original point (look up - see the vapour trail?)

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noooooooooooooooooo really? I do know they're as tighly linked as KB and the judicial system, so the comment's every bit as useful as this thread

Fair enough, just checking.


However - look at your post count, then look at mine. How much of your KB involvement would you consider to be constructive and useful? Admit it - really this is just Arsebook with a motorbike theme

[ManDownUnder]

How much of your KB involvement would you consider to be constructive and useful?

I have my moments

[ManDownUnder]

I reckon we need at least another 5, preferably started by a fair representation across the minorities, the get a fair representation of all the facts of the Bain Murders.

I've started a poll already for people that have all the facts and actually know the truth. They're obviously clairvoyants so they'll know where to find it...

[Matt Bleck]

lol, look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[yungatart]

A thread with facts and truth in it....how completely unnecessary!
It is far more fun to assume, surmise, presume, estimate, guess and extrapolate don't you know?
Facts..pfft...what utter twaddle!