Accepting responsibility for your actions

[short-circuit]

Cue the argument suggesting the need for "firm boundaries" requiring the exertion of authority/power/force etc.....

How predictable that we've ended up here again

[ManDownUnder]

How predictable that we've ended up here again

I KNOW... bloody common sense coming out... again!!!!!!!!!!!

[MSTRS:Me]

It's the old story...entire generations can end up as a social experiment (failed) because some self-proclaimed expert says 'Do this...'
How long did it take for Dr Spock to be discredited?

[James Deuce]

How long did it take for Dr Spock to be discredited?

The third movie sucked.

[idb]

The third movie sucked.

...and who took the responsibility for that!!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

The third movie sucked.

the rule with TOS Original cast films is "odd numbers suck, even numbers good to excellent"

Star Trek 1: too much baggage, terrible script, and much confusion.

ST2: WOK: IMO the best film.

ST3:SFS: WTF? they killed spock? and now Len wants to come back. shit?! how do we do that

ST4:TVH ST comedy. funny (oooh look theyve gone back to the 20th century and they've sent the russian dude to collect the mcguffin from the nuclear powered aircraft carrier (CVN-65: USS Enterprise ) How ironic and funny.

ST5: terrible film by any standard. Bill directed. Spock has a half brother: who knew!

ST6: Undiscovered Country. Very good. Peace with the Klingons? Arent the crew looking old? Drama!

ST7: We need to get those TNG people aboard, somehow: I know, lets get Malcolm McDowell!

ST8: even I can't remember this one.

ST9: First Contact. I liked this one.

ST10: Nemesis: So Riker gets the big chair then wrecks the ship, but he marries Deanna. She still has a great rack.

New Star Trek movie: RULES, with violence. Go see it on the big screen. It is worthy.



Not that I am a star trek geek or anything.

HTH

[yungatart]

Its defiantly a generational issue ..our parents didnt have to deal with the things WE do .. its easier now to just sit the little monsters down in front of the TV or computer than to actually PARENT them..


i had boundaries.. very strict boundaries when i was younger .. and when i stepped over them my dad would knock me the fuck back to the right side ..

the upbringing i had was rough, yes .. but it has saved my life ( literally) on more than one occasion ..

do the younger generation have any concept of Right and Wrong anymore?.. is there any respect left? .. there is a freaking Syndrome for everything .. the " my mommy never breast fed me" or "my Daddy never showed me how to ride a bike" or "everyone made fun of me and called me names" syndrome ...


fuck up .. grow a pair and quit whining

im worried about the world to be honest .. 10 billion people where 1/2 of them have the gang mentality.. 5 billion more have zero social skills and the rest could give a fuck either way


im glad i have guns

It is NOT a generational issue!
My background...aged in my 50's, one of seven kids, have brought up 6 of my own (aged 18-34), and I work in a high school with a roll of approx 1000 students.
Most of the kids of today are no worse than the kids of the previous generation, or any other generation preceding that. Most of the kids that I deal with on a daily basis are polite, responsible, caring young people. They stick up for each other, they defend (vigorously, at times) their rights AND those of others. Most of them take responsibility for their actions most of the time.
They are an awesome bunch of young people, and I am proud to be associated with them.
My kids are fantastic young people. Many on here have met our youngest (hXc), he is indicative of our kids..and is held in pretty high regard by others (most of the time).
Sounds pretty much like my generation when we were that age, as far as I can see.
Not all adults I know take responsiblity for their actions, either! If you don't believe me, just troll through a few odd threads on here.

I question your numbers tho...10 billion...really??

[Mom]

Pain is a most wonderful teacher. I honestly can't think of a better one. Just a week ago my little boy learned what an electric fence looks like. He knew already, but didn't see it as important enough to keep in mind...
... but he does now!.
A smack on the bum works. Pure and simple.

My son used to push every friggen boundary he could from a very early age. He was the only one of my kids that seriously pushed my dont wallop the crap out of your kids limits. He needed to test everything I said, every rule I made to the absolute limit of its boundary. No matter the number of times he was told not to do something, being distracted, being removed, losing priveleges had not a blind bit of difference to his behaviour. He was a boy apparently...LOL

Anyway, the funniest thing happened one day and I share it with you. He was about 7 I guess. We had inwall electric heating on thermostats. These things used to get HOT (well the fins did). My cutie boy used to stand so close to the things I was afraid he would burn himself, or set himself on fire. Obviously neither of them were ideal, so I used to tell him to stand away, it was a daily mantra really, "get away from that heater!" , "Mom, its coooooooold"

One evening, we were in the throes of bathtime, 3 kids to get clean and in PJ's for bed, always a busy time. I saw my boy standing close to the heater yet aggain. He was naked, just out of the bath. I started to say my usual to him, and thought nope, this time let him burn. It happened in slow motion, and it took all my control not to say something, but he bent over to pick his PJ's off the floor. As he bent over his bum made contact with these fins of the heater! Well! Far canal did he perform! Poor thing, he had these cute little lines from the fins on his rump, not blistered or anything just that burned skin thing that happens. OF course I laughed, as did his sisters and his father. That did not help his temper to be fair, but guess what? He never stood dangerously close to any heat source ever again.

I am not totally inhuman, he got a big hug and some ice on his arse, and a bit of a talk about why he should listen to Mommy as she actually did know what she was talking about. He survived my parenting I might add.

[SARGE]

It is NOT a generational issue!
My background...aged in my 50's, one of seven kids, have brought up 6 of my own (aged 18-34), and I work in a high school with a roll of approx 1000 students.
Most of the kids of today are no worse than the kids of the previous generation, or any other generation preceding that. Most of the kids that I deal with on a daily basis are polite, responsible, caring young people. They stick up for each other, they defend (vigorously, at times) their rights AND those of others. Most of them take responsibility for their actions most of the time.
They are an awesome bunch of young people, and I am proud to be associated with them.
My kids are fantastic young people. Many on here have met our youngest (hXc), he is indicative of our kids..and is held in pretty high regard by others (most of the time).
Sounds pretty much like my generation when we were that age, as far as I can see.
Not all adults I know take responsiblity for their actions, either! If you don't believe me, just troll through a few odd threads on here.

I question your numbers tho...10 billion...really??

dont get me wrong Yunga .. you and i agree that this generation has some brilliant people in it ..cant wait to see what they come up with ..


however...


you and i are around the same age bracket.. ,..our generation had some great minds in it also.. but i cant think of ANYTHING that we did that compares to what goes on nowdays in regards to the mentality of some members of this generation .. our generation has a high divorce rate .. heaps of broken homes.. heaps of kids desperate to fit into anything resembling a family unit, so they turn to street gangs and since all thier mates are getting shitfaced and beating up people and being full-on little dickheads... (case in point .. the douchebags known as the Killa Beez.. they would last 3.2 seconds alone in front of someone who knew what they were doing but you never catch them in groups of less than 3 or 4


if i told MY old man to fuck off or i WASNT going to do what he told me.. i got a clip on the ear .. (minimum)

being rude to an elder ..thats a paddlin..

not cleaning up after myself...thats a paddlin..

crossing line X... thats a paddlin..

drinking and driving .. my dad himself would call the police and report me and leave me to stew in County over the weekend.

god forbid we flick our kids ears these days.. everybody gets a friggin participation award just for showing up and sitting on the bench


.. our generation LET us fail when we deserved it and only rewarded us when we had earned it..


i think more kids need to find out what it feels like to lose once in a while.. good training for the real world ..

ya cant take a day off work just because you cant be fucked going in

[McDuck]

I am 20. Not to far off 21. I have a motorbike. I also have a job. I am also the youngest person in employment at that site by over 2o years.

I had to do 6 months (part time) work experiance and another 6 months part time payed work before they would take me on full time (they did as soon as my polytech diploma finished, i mean same afternoon).

I didnt get this at first then we had another few guys doing summer pruning and they were useless. I mean complete sacks of shit. One of them cut his hand baddly with a hand saw (funny as hell) and he spent 15 min explaning how it was not his falt that he cut his hand open.

It was funny and it confermed the fact i cant stand the majority of my generation, that said there are a few relation exeptions and most of my generation that ride bikes are ok to.

[jono035]

Yeah, the not being able to fail at things and not being properly prepared for the real world can be a big problem. Too many parents coddling their children and never letting them make their own decisions and consequently their own mistakes. I've met a lot of people going through Uni that went completely off the rails as soon as they got away from home, consequently failing out or having to repeat classes. What a waste of time.