Bring back corporal punishment?

[FROSTY:Me]

Following allong from another thread. Should corperal punishment be reintroduced to NZ society?
For example allowing teachers to cane a child that misbehaves. Parents not risking jail for smacking a child in public. The police allowed to kick a kid in the backside for smoking in public.

[MattRSK]

No .

[MSTRS:Me]

Yes. Eventually. Must undo the the legislation/s in reverse order.

[slofox]

Two minds on this one.

1. Allowing those in authority to use force just sanctions the use of force - ie "it is OK to use force when you have the power to do so". So kids think force is OK since authority figures use it. And thus the cycle is perpetuated.

BUT

2. Some kids really do need a kick up the arse. Some so-called adults need their knees broken. I'm thinking of the mindless thugs here...

Overall? Verily, 'tis a mindfucker...

[idb]

I want to be able to beat other people's kids.

[Colapop]

If the gubbermint cannot differentiate between reasonable force and too much force already (that's why we needed the anti-smacking legislation - it was already a crime to hit kids) then they are not going to be able to figure out corporal punishment.

If it's a yes or no question then first you need to take the criminal's rights into consideration... *TUI*

[Magua]

Why so serious, Frosty? You're asking a lot of big questions lately.

And no, I don't think it's a good idea.

[p.dath]

Following allong from another thread. Should corperal punishment be reintroduced to NZ society?
For example allowing teachers to cane a child that misbehaves. Parents not risking jail for smacking a child in public. The police allowed to kick a kid in the backside for smoking in public.

I think something along the lines of "reasonable force" should be considered. Otherwise the road we are on now will effectively rule out all contact.

For example, is the act of holding my son's hand now illegal? The action I take of grasping my son's hand is not that different to a slap on the face - its just the force involved and the intent. In both cases an open handed palm will strike his skin.

And at what point does a hug become illegal? Just how firmly can I hug him now? Very difficult to say with the current law which allows no tolerance.

[slofox]

I want to be able to beat other people's kids.

I've actually done that - as a teacher years ago I whacked the odd kid with the approved piece of cowhide...not often, but it did happen...

[ManDownUnder]

Yes, but the whole are needs to be more:
1) Open and transparent (thereby open to peer review for fear of putting some damned label on it)
2) Issue a few guidelines/do a campaign like the Super Maori Fullas... etc. There are people that genuinely don't see the line in the same place the rest of us do... give or take.

For me the bigger issue is psych abuse. Pretty hard to spot, and gradually grinds victims into helpless emotional puddles who then go on to repeat the behaviour per any abuse cycle.

[idb]

I've actually done that - as a teacher years ago I whacked the odd kid with the approved piece of cowhide...not often, but it did happen...

Felt good didn't it...damned good...

[allycatz]

Having grown up in the times of corporal punishment through school, I think its fairly obvious the link between downhill slide of todays youth to abolishment of the cane. Theres no fear of consequence for actions now. Harshest punishment meted out is days off school...'big deal'. There is also no respect for rules. True there was always some a'hole who took it to far but I don't think the majority of us suffered to greatly. I also think a tougher line in schools would make up for the lack of two parent family discipline.

[Indiana_Jones]

And no, I don't think it's a good idea.

Of course you'd say that...........faggot..........

I'm all for putting the little shits back in their place, perhaps a different approach is needed.....

"20 days, Cooler!"

-Indy

[idb]

Yes, but the whole are needs to be more:
1) Open and transparent (thereby open to peer review for fear of putting some damned label on it).....

I agree, do it in the town square like the good old days and give it a new zingier euphemistic description...'corporal punishment' carries too much negative baggage.

[koba]

Following allong from another thread. Should corperal punishment be reintroduced to NZ society?
For example allowing teachers to cane a child that misbehaves. Parents not risking jail for smacking a child in public. The police allowed to kick a kid in the backside for smoking in public.

Maybe Kids should be smacked for bad spelling?