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    Yeah, I definitely don't want to crack the crankcase open, I've done that with my dad on an old XR200 and that was a much more simple bike. Wasn't pleasant, too many bits, too much to get wrong.

    I've had the carbs off but didn't look for anything specific down the intake ports. Only 2 of the plugs seemed particularly oily, but I didn't get around to checking cyl 2/3 a second time.

    No idea about the oil, although it did have a service a few weeks before I bought it, new oil filter/oil. Will check the oil against some 10W40 when I get home and see if they've put thinner oil in at all. You have an opinion on just using heavier oil in an older engine? Obviously it will shorten the life of the engine, but if a rebuild is the other solution, delaying the rebuild could be worth it? Looks like there is nothing in the engine that is reliant on oil pressure for anything other than lubing so that's a start...

    I get what you mean with the compression test having the valve seals as another variable (valve seals, valve guide seals, rings, major crack in head)... If it has crap compression for any reason then the head needs to come off anyway I guess, and at that point if it has valve sealing issues as well as whatever is letting the oil in then an el-cheapo grinding-paste valve grind could be done in accordance with my 'improve, not perfect' thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.W.R View Post
    Uh huh a little bit of knowledge is dangerous there are plenty more variables to be taken into consideration.
    Bollocks...
    If rings are worn compression increases with oil in bore.

    Nothing wrong with that statement at all.
    Pretty handy to know wether you got worn bores/tired rings or top end issues.

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    Just had all the plugs out again, checked them all, ran the bike for a bit (with a REALLY bad misfire now) to warm it up, pulled a couple of plugs to try and determine where the misfire was coming from, seems like it is the cylinder that has the oil in it... Pulled the plugs again and checked them, 2 of them were dry but carboned up (normal for cold), one was a little bit oily with carbon on it and the first was clean but with a heap of oil over it...

    Now to find myself a compression tester....

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    Coleman's came back with a quote for parts...

    Head Gasket - $70
    Rocker Cover Gasket - $90
    Base Seal - $15

    Ring sets - $99 per piston ex Japan
    Shims - $13-15 each ex Japan

    Intake valves - $55
    Exhaust valves - $90

    Timing chain - $240

    That counts out anything as serious as a re-bore pretty quick...

    Unless it is a broken ring or leaking valve guide it isn't going to be feasible to fix and will cost me $200 in gaskets just to check it out... If it is a broken ring then the bore will be stuffed anyway most likely, leaving me with a leaking valve guide which should be possible to diagnose by looking down the intake port...

    Failing that, I guess it is time to either put up with it or try heavier oil (yuck...)... Or try figure out some way to stop the oil damping out the spark from the plug so that it at least fires consistently...

    And this is all assuming I've even got half a clue what I'm on about... Still looking for a cheapish compression tester too...

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    try these guys

    They may have an engine they semeed to to do a lot of GSX stuff
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    There's heaps of things it could be before you go crazy and do a rebuild.

    Oily plugs don't always cause misfires --- oily plugs can be caused by a misfire. If there's a simple ignition problem then the plug won't fire and won't clean itself to burn off the oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xwhatsit View Post
    There's heaps of things it could be before you go crazy and do a rebuild.

    Oily plugs don't always cause misfires --- oily plugs can be caused by a misfire. If there's a simple ignition problem then the plug won't fire and won't clean itself to burn off the oil.
    Yeah, thats true... What would be the other causes beyond bad plug/coil, a carb issue or lack of compression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdhandler View Post
    They may have an engine they semeed to to do a lot of GSX stuff
    bikesrcool@yahoo.com
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    Thanks for that, I'll hit them up if I reach the end of my tether with this track...

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    Finally got hold of a compression tester, 3 cylinders tested at 180 psi, 1 tested at 130.

    I've checked the coils with a multimeter and they seem solid, no shorts to ground. The sparks appear good and solid but the plug from a different cylinder appears to be sparking around the central electrode rather than from central to ground. Have a new set coming as apparently the bike is supposed to have CR7HSA rather than C8HSA (the R means it has a resistor to suppress sparking noise apparently).

    Will see what that does.

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