Roundabout argument help!

[sil3nt]

I'd probably move into the lane closest to the roundabout and probably would indicate right until I got just past the SH23 exit. With a roundabout this large, I'd err on the side of caution in that there is no straight ahead... but that's just me. With this one, it's more than 180 degrees ahead (going clockwise) so you might as well consider it a (slight) right exit.
Sorry to side with your GF.
With a small 4 entrance roundabout, indicating right when going straight unnecessarily holds up the person coming straight towards you... ie you shouldn't do it. With this example if you indicate right and then left after you pass the SH23 exit, you're not holding anyone up. Clear as mud?
As the others have said, is it really worth arguing about?

Well it annoys me when she tells me i am in the wrong when i know i am in the right

I fully understand what you are saying and that on a large roundabout like this indicating right would be less confusing however common sense and the law often differ

[discotex]

How the hell can you go "straight ahead" on a 5-entrance roundabout? Get a ruler out and see where you'd end up.....

Even worse, how do you get "straight ahead" from taking the 3rd exit? WTF?

You're clearly and plainly wrong about needing to indicate right onto the roundabout.


The cage who failed to give way has NO WAY to know which entrance you started from so they probably were expecting you to get off at SH23 given the lack of right indicator.


It's not bloody rocket science people. Why do Kiwi's struggle with roundabouts so badly?

[sil3nt]

Why would they expect me to go left if i was not indicating left until after that exit? How is it the third exit? It is the second exit!

[mynameis]

Mrs is right, more important question who gave you your licence

[Ragingrob]

How the hell can you go "straight ahead" on a 5-entrance roundabout? Get a ruler out and see where you'd end up.....

Even worse, how do you get "straight ahead" from taking the 3rd exit? WTF?

You're clearly and plainly wrong about needing to indicate right onto the roundabout.


The cage who failed to give way has NO WAY to know which entrance you started from so they probably were expecting you to get off at SH23 given the lack of right indicator.


It's not bloody rocket science people. Why do Kiwi's struggle with roundabouts so badly?

The lane he was in does have a straight through arrow, speaks for itself.

Why would they expect you to get off the roundabout, with a lack of the left indicator? Going by your logic...

For every exit at a roundabout you are supposed to indicate left, doesn't matter if they dunno where ya got on whatsoever.

[Ragingrob]

Mrs is right, more important question who gave you your licence

Care to explain?

[Mikkel]

When entering a roundabout you:

Indicate left if you take the 1st exit.

Do not indicate upon entering the roundabout if you take the 2nd exit (quite often straight ahead) - you then indicate left as you pass the 1st exit.

Indicate right upon entering if you intend to leave the roundabout beyond the 2nd exit. Start indicating left as you pass the exit prior to the one you are going to take.

However, whether you indicate correctly or not does not absolve anyone from giving way - a give way is unconditional!

So your girlfriend is right - this time (remember to add that when you face up ).

[discotex]

Why would they expect me to go left if i was not indicating left until after that exit? How is it the third exit? It is the second exit!

Because they can't see your left indicator clearly from where they are as you go past Dinsdale Rd and assume it's on (because your right one isn't).

Let me get what happened straight...

You are on Whatawhata Rd.
You enter the roundabout without indicating
You pass exit 1 - Dinsdale Rd
You pass exit 2 - SH23 (you indicate just after passing this)
You exit on exit 3 - Killarny Rd

That give way turning lane on Whatawhata Rd going to Dinsdale is an abortion but doesn't change the fact that Dinsdale is an exit of the round about (from the perspective of anyone else entering the roundabout).

Understand why it's the 3rd exit now?

[mynameis]

Care to explain?

Nope, go figure
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0oh wait some already have explained.

[sil3nt]

Just too add to the confusion and probably put me in the wrong. The arrows in my lane tell me i can go straight and turn right. However from this lane people often take the first left onto SH23 and then on to massey and this is seems fine as cars in the other lane can not access killarney.
According to the arrows that SH23 exit would then be the straight ahead exit and killarney would be the first right exit meaning i would have to indicate right then left. Seriously im fkn confused now so i am going to bed. I have driven this roundabout for 3 or 4 years and this is the first time someone has pulled out in front of me. She was a young asian girl who half pulled out and stopped in everyones way before i let her go. Perhaps asian drivers are the problem

[sil3nt]

Because they can't see your left indicator clearly from where they are as you go past Dinsdale Rd and assume it's on (because your right one isn't).

Let me get what happened straight...

You are on Whatawhata Rd.
You enter the roundabout without indicating
You pass exit 1 - Dinsdale Rd
You pass exit 2 - SH23 (you indicate just after passing this)
You exit on exit 3 - Killarny Rd

That give way turning lane on Whatawhata Rd going to Dinsdale is an abortion but doesn't change the fact that Dinsdale is an exit of the round about (from the perspective of anyone else entering the roundabout).

Understand why it's the 3rd exit now?

Sorry but dinsdale road can not be accessed from either lane as it has its own exit before the actual roundabout (just to add to the confusion of this mess of roads).

[Ragingrob]

Because they can't see your left indicator clearly from where they are as you go past Dinsdale Rd and assume it's on (because your right one isn't).

Let me get what happened straight...

You are on Whatawhata Rd.
You enter the roundabout without indicating
You pass exit 1 - Dinsdale Rd
You pass exit 2 - SH23 (you indicate just after passing this)
You exit on exit 3 - Killarny Rd

That give way turning lane on Whatawhata Rd going to Dinsdale is an abortion but doesn't change the fact that Dinsdale is an exit of the round about (from the perspective of anyone else entering the roundabout).

Understand why it's the 3rd exit now?

I disagree. From the lane he was in it is the 2nd exit possible, otherwise he would've been in the left lane (not to mention the very left lane before the actual roundabout).

From the right hand lane that he was in, there is only one possible exit before the exit he was taking.

[discotex]

The lane he was in does have a straight through arrow, speaks for itself.

No it doesn't. The road rules don't say "indicate based on the painted arrows" they say indicate right unless you are going straight.

FFS they're indicators to "indicate" what you're doing so we don't have to be mind readers.

The road code is clear and simple.. Might pay to read it http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/abo...undabouts.html

If you are travelling more than halfway around a roundabout:

•signal right as you come up to the roundabout
•signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take.

Why would they expect you to get off the roundabout, with a lack of the left indicator? Going by your logic...


For every exit at a roundabout you are supposed to indicate left, doesn't matter if they dunno where ya got on whatsoever.

Yes it does. Just explained that above.

[discotex]

Sorry but dinsdale road can not be accessed from either lane as it has its own exit before the actual roundabout (just to add to the confusion of this mess of roads).

I disagree. From the lane he was in it is the 2nd exit possible, otherwise he would've been in the left lane (not to mention the very left lane before the actual roundabout).

From the right hand lane that he was in, there is only one possible exit before the exit he was taking.

You are both wrong. Get over it.

It is an exit of the round about and you legally could take it from the left lane according to the painted markings. I agree it's an abortion of a road design that could confuse a 15 year old LEARNER.

And in either case he travelled more than half way around the roundabout so must indicate as per the road code.




Apologies if I'm coming across harsh... Just frustrated with cages not indicating properly and it's disheartening to see bikers have no clue of the road code.

[davebullet]

The SH23 exit is the first exit available from the inside lane that i was in therefore to me it is the left exit. Killarney is the second available exit and therefore it is straight ahead.

+1 what he said... so your GF is wrong, wrong, wrong.

PS: Mrs. B just told me she would indicate left twice... so here starts another argument at the B household.