Roundabout argument help!

[Ragingrob]

No it doesn't. The road rules don't say "indicate based on the painted arrows" they say indicate right unless you are going straight.

FFS they're indicators to "indicate" what you're doing so we don't have to be mind readers.

The road code is clear and simple.. Might pay to read it http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/abo...undabouts.html



Yes it does. Just explained that above.

By the time one gets to the actual roundabout at the giveway signs, Dinsdale rd is outta the equation as that sharp left turn is now behind you.

This leaves four lanes to the roundabout, he's aiming for the 2nd one, meaning he's not going more than halfway around the roundabout, meaning he does not have to indicate to the right.

[Ragingrob]

You are both wrong. Get over it.

It is an exit of the round about and you legally could take it from the left lane according to the painted markings. I agree it's an abortion of a road design that could confuse a 15 year old LEARNER.

And in either case he travelled more than half way around the roundabout so must indicate as per the road code.




Apologies if I'm coming across harsh... Just frustrated with cages not indicating properly and it's disheartening to see bikers have no clue of the road code.

The painted markings... Well... The sharp left painted marking refers to the additional left turn give way, leaving the other bearing left turn the only painted marking left available once past the additional left turn. Leaving four roads to the roundabout.

[discotex]

The painted markings... Well... The sharp left painted marking refers to the additional left turn give way, leaving the other bearing left turn the only painted marking left available once past the additional left turn. Leaving four roads to the roundabout.

You're missing the point. READ THE ROADCODE. If you go past half way (e.g. 180 degress) you MUST INDICATE RIGHT. It's so bloody simple I can't understand how people still fuck it up.



And to your point - it doesn't work that way. It is a 5 way roundabout regardless of that stupid extra give way. If you don't believe me go cause an accident using this scenario and see if you can get the Police to say you were in the right.

[Mikkel]

You are ALL wrong. I won this argument!

[discotex]

+1 what he said... so your GF is wrong, wrong, wrong.

PS: Mrs. B just told me she would indicate left twice... so here starts another argument at the B household.

His GF is right. Check your facts.

Let me repost them from the road code for you in case there is any doubt.

If you are travelling more than halfway around a roundabout:

•signal right as you come up to the roundabout
•signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take.

[discotex]

You are ALL wrong. I won this argument!

Please accept this polished turd as your prize

[JayRacer37]

No one wins trafic rules arguments. Ever.

Another good one is the four way stop sign on the intersection of Cuba and Able TAsman (I think) in Wellington. That's fucking HILARIOUS.

That has got to be one of the most entertaining and frustrating intersections in Welly. Why can't they make one street straight through! lol

[Ragingrob]

You're missing the point. READ THE ROADCODE. If you go past half way (e.g. 180 degress) you MUST INDICATE RIGHT. It's so bloody simple I can't understand how people still fuck it up.



And to your point - it doesn't work that way. It is a 5 way roundabout regardless of that stupid extra give way. If you don't believe me go cause an accident using this scenario and see if you can get the Police to say you were in the right.

Half way is not judged by 180 degrees, but by number of roads. For a car in the right hand lane, the road he is taking is the second road available to him.

Using this scenario, I'm cruising around a roundabout, doesn't matter where I'm turning, if someone pulls out in front of me they have not given way and are in the wrong.

He could've been coming from Dinsdale rd for all she knew and even you would say he wouldn't have been indicating at that point.

So using this scenario, she would have failed to giveway to traffic.

As I said before, unless someone is indicating to the left, then they are definitely not indicating to get off the roundabout.

[peasea]

No one wins trafic rules arguments. Ever.

Another good one is the four way stop sign on the intersection of Cuba and Able TAsman (I think) in Wellington. That's fucking HILARIOUS.

Tell you what;

My daughter had some lame homework assignment that we turned to gold.

"Find some silly things that kiwis do."

I immediately thought "roundabout".

So, off we trot, pen, paper (no camera, bad move) and a whole bunch of patience. Didn't need the patience.

Fuck me; seconds after our arrival there was road rage. Minutes later, word exchanges, some words I couldn't make out, finger-pointing etc. international sign language and so on. This ended up a total success for the teenager's project but a terrible example of how to behave in public.

Nowt strange as folk.

[discotex]

Half way is not judged by 180 degrees, but by number of roads. For a car in the right hand lane, the road he is taking is the second road available to him.

I'm assuming that's just your opinion to suit your argument?

Even if we give you that it's the 3rd exit of 5 so is still past half way.

Using this scenario, I'm cruising around a roundabout, doesn't matter where I'm turning, if someone pulls out in front of me they have not given way and are in the wrong.

Fair call. I already agreed she should have given way anyway (and cursed under her breath at the moron who didn't indicate correctly). Doesn't matter if you are indicating or not; a person joining the roundabout must "give way to all vehicles that will cross your path from your right as you enter the roundabout".

He could've been coming from Dinsdale rd for all she knew and even you would say he wouldn't have been indicating at that point.

If he was coming from Dinsdale Rd she'd have been in a better position to see his indicator. That's the point of the rule. To make the indicators meaningful.

So using this scenario, she would have failed to giveway to traffic.

And he failed to indicate correctly. Likely to result in a "both at fault" report for the insurance companies and everyone loses their no-claims bonus.

As I said before, unless someone is indicating to the left, then they are definitely not indicating to get off the roundabout.

How is that relevant to whether he was indicating correctly or not? That was what the OP was blasted for by the GF (not George Forman)

[bull]

To throw another spanner in the works - Should be indicating right as you enter the round about, as the straight through would appear to be exiting at SH23 (both lanes go left onto SH23 or the inner can continue around to next exit)

Now once at the white car location(inner lane immediately prior to SH23 exit) you should be indicatiing left to get into outer lane to exit on Killarney Road(the inner lane would continue around to next exit). Botom line is that the any car entering from SH23 should not proceed if they cannot judge your intention on which lane youll be going into (tho if you were indicating right at the white car position at SH23 exit - then it would be safe to assume that the outer lane car exiting SH23 could safely head into outer lane - choosing to exit at Killarney or continue straight thru to Tuhikaramea).

Check all the arrows folks and youll get what im saying here.

[NDORFN]

Either way... it pisses me off when people going straight through a roundabout (that is, one with four roads coming off it) indicate to go right. Idiots.

[BiK3RChiK]

Her argument is i am not going straight i am going "round" as this is quite a large roundabout. I am confident that had there actually been an accident the other lady would have been in the wrong.

You are in the roundabout. You only need to indicate your exit when you are going 'straight' through. Your g/f is wrong. If you are turning right at a roundabout then you indicate right. So many people get this wrong at roundabouts!

[kevie]

The basic rule is ... if you are turning into the first left exit you should be indicating left as you come up to the intersection. if you are going strait through you should not indicate untill you are passing the exit before your planned exit then indicate left and take the exit. if you are going around the roundabout and taking a later exit you should be A/ in the correct lane, and B indicating righ as you enter the roundabout, then as you pass the exit before your planned exit change to left indicator.

As always, watch what the other motorists are doing and never assume they know how to drive.

One thing that gets me annoyed is when someone's comming into the roundabout and indicating right so I (in my 20 metre 44 tonne rig) assume they are comming round so wait for them .... they then indicate left and leave by the exit before me gggggrrrrrrr

The ammusing thing is ... the roundabout laws were changed a few years ago to its present form and I was taught to use roundabouts like that way back in 1969 hahahhahaha

[thecharmed01]

No one wins trafic rules arguments. Ever.

Another good one is the four way stop sign on the intersection of Cuba and Able TAsman (I think) in Wellington. That's fucking HILARIOUS.

No one knows how to do roundabouts LOL

Driving School Instructor (shamefully I have to admit in Hamilton) taught me that if you are taking the first exit or any exit up to straight ahead, to indicate left only, but if I am going more than straight ahead to indicate right, then left off.
Always made sense to me.

That 4-way stop on Cuba street is awesome.
I have no idea why it is so hard to give way to the right but people will sit there for hours deliberating then just pull out on people. It makes no sense to me why we dont work like the USA in those situations.
The american rule, is first in first served but give way to the left. Damned sensible if you ask me.