Rider error - Now the highest ACC claims stat

[Devil]

I for one welcome "rider error" as being pointed out as the top reason as opposed to speed. Education is a good direction to head in.

[xwhatsit]

Motorcyclists suffer 10x more "Trauma" (injury) than other Road Users

That's a lot less than I thought! Considering the sort of riding you see.

[YellowDog]

Good post TGW and some interested reading.

My experience of stats is that they are always presented in way to reinforce the sponsors point.

I am sure that some good can com from this.

It is illegal to ride a motorcycle without a protective helmet. May be this law can be enhanced to prevent ACC draining injuries. Kids on scooters wearing shorts & T-shirt should be illegal. It is not.

I haven't found Maori drivers to be particularly bad. If they had stated Asian women, then I would have been nodding in agreement.

IMO - Higher standards and better education for all road users is the best way to reduce such statistics.

[BMWST?]

Motorcyclists suffer 10x more "Trauma" (injury) than other Road Users

Discussed was poor handling, speed and poor observation.

Stay Safe!

10 times.....How do they figure that out?If a moped rider without a license is injured is he a car driver(car license) or a motorcyclist?

poor observation???on the part of the m cyclist or the other dude?.Didnt the motorcyclist see the car pulling out in front of him??

[mowgli]

I for one welcome "rider error" as being pointed out as the top reason as opposed to speed. Education is a good direction to head in.

Agree, entirely.

I expect the "rider error" stat only considers motorcycle crashes. There are simply too many cage crashes for "rider error" to top the general list. Human error should take that spot.

Safety systems must be designed to succeed in spite of the human elements within.

[YellowDog]

Blame is always in the eye of the beholder (or survivor).

The one who lshouts the loudest or in authority usually aportions the blame.

The Police always very quick to state that speed was a factor. Presumably more than ZERO kph is speed.

I always came off my bike once after sneezing violently. I swerved before stopping and a cop car pulled up beside me to have a go. He wouldn't listen. He said that I swerved violently almost coming off because I was riding too fast.

He changed his mind after I showed him the inside of my visor. The lady cop with him gave me some tissues and told the other cop to shut up.

[Laxi]

Thanks TGW, your comment re Italian riders - I presume meaning riders of Italian bikes? Cheers

nah! damn wogs

I for one welcome "rider error" as being pointed out as the top reason as opposed to speed. Education is a good direction to head in.

+1 there


I know its been on a thread at least 1ce but I'd still like to see an ad like this on tv here

[YellowDog]

I think it's a great advert too. It should be a part of a new classroom part of the bike test.

[Winston001]

Riders of Italian Bikes were mostly at fault in crashes...

I was half interested until I got to this point.

[Genestho]

LMAO! Winston, I know it's a bit rough eh!?

Then there was talk of fatigue fatalities! As in falling asleep on bikes!???
I KNOW!
Hehe, I accidently said out loud, that must've been Harley Riders!! "We won't go there" was the reply! EEEEEEEEEEEK! (Ducks)

All notes I wrote were all in relation to the Motorcycling stats only guys.
And Rider Error was most definately at the top claims cost wise!

[LBD]

I was half interested until I got to this point.

But why do you think that is? and why was it included?

[Ragingrob]

But why do you think that is? and why was it included?

Because who are likely to own italian bikes? The age-group that fits in with the born-agains.

[Genestho]

Because who are likely to own italian bikes? The age-group that fits in with the born-agains.

Just at a guess, I'd have thought Italian bikes would be in the 30's age group? There was a reason they were noted though.

I note in my paperwork in TGA the 30-34 age group have the highest amount costs of claims.

Whether or not this becomes a nationwide intiative - I couldn't say, but this is a WBOP intiative. Roadsafety groups are regional.

But I'll tell you this, which was said:

Motorcycling crash reduction is ACC's NZTA, and Govt Policy - Top Priority

[CookMySock]

Thanks for posting that. However, I was told that years ago there was specific motorcycle training that was required before you could get a full motorcycle license - where is that now? Why was it not brought back when it was clear there was a problem? What was the rationale behind removing it in the first place?

Seriously, if ACC or any government really gave a shit about getting motorcycle injuries down then they would DO something about it. Here they admit training is an issue, yet they have NO formal training, except the farse that is the defensive driving course.

So I call "bullshit" I'm 'fraid. I doubt the government is really interested in doing anything at all except furthering their own industry or more political grandstanding.

Take a look at the French motorcycle training. They have 20 (I think) hours of training before they will even let you on the road, and that costs thousands too. The stupid low-speed carpark thing we do in NZ is absurd.

Prove me wrong, though. Where is the compulsory training before 6F? What about ACC sponsored track days and advanced training?


Steve

[yungatart]

i am no aware that there has ever been a formal requirement for specific training for a 6F, although I may be wrong.
AFAIK, ACC sponsors RRRS courses...again I accept I can be wrong!