Rider error - Now the highest ACC claims stat

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 12:55

Hey guys.

The only reason I post this, is not to be righteous, or a mouthpiece, it's
because;

A) I know Motorcycling Fatalities rip families apart.
B) I love Motorcycling, the sport, the freedom, the smells, the scenery and adrenaline.

I attended an impromptu meeting with my local Road Safety group this morning. Don't shoot the messenger.

Acc bought along the latest Motorcycling Stats, with the emergance of Rider Error in Motorcycling stats as the highest ACC claim.

Some other notes I took on Rider Error were:

Motorcyclists suffer 10x more "Trauma" (injury) than other Road Users
The highest "Trauma" group is 15-19, above "Born agains"
The area that suffers the most Motorcyclist Trauma (Injury) is Taupo, with Easter BOP coming in close behind.
It's predominantly a male issue
Riders of Italian Bikes were mostly at fault in crashes...
Maori Riders caused the most crashes ethnicity wise
49% were fully licensed
Daytime was when the most crashes happened, with winter being the lowest crash rate. Weekends including Fridays were the most frequent.
The campaign last year was "Look out for Motorcyclist's" this year I can see it will be:

Educating youth Motorcycling Handling, with possibly school programs (In WBOP anyway) and positive re enforcement of good safety gear

Group Ride Safety Education!

And I'd say in general a campaign aimed at Motorcyclists to "look out for themselves" Perhaps publicity around ie; countersteering when taking corners too fast, target fixation (there's another name that was used) and other issues faced on the roads concerning rider error.

Because there is a perception that most accidents are caused by other vehicles, I have asked for definition of "Rider Error" stats, so motorcyclists can see for themselves, this particular stat broken down, and learn.

I advised from a grassroot level, there is dubious belief in the stats, even from myself, I'd like to know how each category is collected and labelled. Defined. Discussed was poor handling, speed and poor observation.

Stay Safe!

**dino3310** · 25th June 2009, 13:07

Originally Posted by T.G.W

Hey guys.

The only reason I post this, is not to be righteous, or a mouthpiece, it's
because;

Stay Safe!

good on ya mate.

living in hams i see a lot of young ones with no safty gear bar helmet, riding like bats out of hell around shopping centres/ te rapa and such, farkin crazy and im talkin jandals T shirts. gonna be scary when some of these clowns get there full licence.
a scooter like a nifty fifty or simular made my day this mornin - full faced arai, technic jacket & pants, touring boots, gloves, lights on with a high viz vest no lane splitting or bus lanes he just stayed with the flow. looked hard case on a moped with all the gears on but farkin GOOD ON HIM

**shafty** · 25th June 2009, 13:11

Thanks TGW, your comment re Italian riders - I presume meaning riders of Italian bikes? Cheers

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 13:12

Originally Posted by dino3310

good on ya mate.

living in hams i see a lot of young ones with no safty gear bar helmet, riding like bats out of hell around shopping centres/ te rapa and such, farkin crazy and im talkin jandals T shirts. gonna be scary when some of these clowns get there full licence.
a scooter like a nifty fifty or simular made my day this mornin - full faced arai, technic jacket & pants, touring boots, gloves, lights on with a high viz vest no lane splitting or bus lanes he just stayed with the flow. looked hard case on a moped with all the gears on but farkin GOOD ON HIM

Yeah the lack of safety gear was a particular concern today!

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 13:13

Originally Posted by shafty

Thanks TGW, your comment re Italian riders - I presume meaning riders of Italian bikes? Cheers

hehe! yep, ta!

**Finn** · 25th June 2009, 13:15

Originally Posted by T.G.W

Acc bought along the latest Motorcycling Stats...

Stop there. You had my attention until then.

Take every Government report / finding with a grain of salt. Most of ACC staff don't even know what ACC stands for or even how to spell it.

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 13:17

Originally Posted by Finn

Stop there. You had my attention until then.

Take every Government report / finding with a grain of salt. Most of ACC staff don't even know what ACC stands for or even how to spell it.

I have to admit there did appear to be some issues around the explanation of the document!

I too am dubious, but I'd like to see things defined!

**shafty** · 25th June 2009, 13:17

Thanks; I'm quite suprised re the Maori aspect, ie causing accidents - did they elaborate on that? Stats can be misleading, but this is of real interest - facts not hunches...

**p.dath** · 25th June 2009, 13:18

Wish I could have attended this. Was there a web site for these stats?

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 13:19

Originally Posted by shafty

Thanks; I'm quite suprised re the Maori aspect, ie causing accidents - did they elaborate on that? Stats can be misleading, but this is of real interest - facts not hunches...

Yea exactly!!! I was called last night, and said I wanted to get there, because I'm totally interested!

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 13:20

Originally Posted by p.dath

Wish I could have attended this. Was there a web site for these stats?

No, presented between two hard copy documents! One being a crash analaysis preperation document from what I could make out.

I can get one of the documents emailed, but not sure if I'd be allowed to publish at this point! Could always ask!

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 13:24

And to be quite honest, if there were a few groups represented in ACC from the Motorcycling community, the views would be welcomed! Not everything could be actioned, it was said, too many voices would be "noise" but views would be taken onboard! I understand Ulysess are onboard!

There may have been something similar in Auckland..but I was under the impression that this was the only nationwide (at this point) meeting from interested parties with a passion for Motorcycling, and reduction of accidents due to Rider Error!

**Ragingrob** · 25th June 2009, 13:37

Yeah, stats from the govt... Haha always wanna be taken with caution, it isn't hard to make numbers look worse than they are!

I wouldn't be surprised if they were just basing it all on figures and not even percentages either.

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 13:37

Something else I just thought of....it was asked what porportion of crashes, in the stats involved off road and quad bikes. Couldn't get a number, but it was said they're mostly made up of "On Road" crashes.

**Genestho** · 25th June 2009, 13:40

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

Yeah, stats from the govt... Haha always wanna be taken with caution, it isn't hard to make numbers look worse than they are!

I wouldn't be surprised if they were just basing it all on figures and not even percentages either.

Any stats can be manipulated, that's why from a grassroots level, I requested a break down and definition