Tyre wear at VMCC Rd 2

[Shaun]

How come we have brilliant suspension backup and support at the track but no tyre retailers around that can help us out?

There must be a fortune spent on tyres each round.

ummm,

I am Moto-Dynamix

I work with suspension Ohlin;s Race tech etc

I do sell and stock Continentall tyres

What more can I do for you?

O, and are an old has been racer, who has an idea or 2 left in his head cell

[Shaun]

Not necessarily. Tyres, I imagine, are designed to run within a temperature range. Like all things it's about compromise. XYZ tyre manufacture may have decided that they can ultimate grip out of their tyres, but only if the track temp is over 20 degrees and under 50 (example). Above or below those ranges and they wont work. But that is the compromise the tyre manufacture decided to make in order to achieve the results they want.

Many other factors that exist are riders, each rider rides differently and some styles might make cold shredding more susceptible. Also, a worn linkage/swingarm unit, that'll also have an effect as to how much control the shock will have over the wheel on the ground.
Tyre age is probably a big one, as is tyre compound. I dare say that it would be very unlikely that a tyre manufacture would design a full blown race tyre to run on track temps as low as what we were running on at round 2.
I wonder if a Road tyre would be more suited, as they would be designed to handle the colder temps?

I don't have a informed opinion on it, but those are ideas floating around in my head.

Road trye, NO mate, it will NOT shred, but you will also only have Road tyre grip level, not race level grip.

Re temp range, correct, we are lucky that our brand of tyre, has a wider window of operating temp than most other tyres out there, hense they last so well, I was looking at a lot of other brands at Manfield last week, and was quietly proud of our brand, in the wat it dealt with the conditions on the day.

Correct re the chassis set up, and correct re riders style, some go in hard, some come out hard, some just cruise, loading and working the tyre helps generate heat, or helps loose heat in the tyres.

Suspension internall settings, and bike sag set up is the true awnser to these tyre issues, a shock set to race in summer hot days, will NOT work as well in freezing winter, simple!

As an ajent for Ohlin;s Race Tech, Continental tyres, I am always availlable for an aducated opinion on what you the racer may need to adjust your settings to gain the most from your package, just come and find me where I am pitted.

Continental tyre users, get my services free of Charge

[Robert Taylor]

I have to concur about Continental tyres, they are going ahead in leaps and bounds. They certainly seem to cope with the cold conditions much better and Id lay money on the time between manufacture and first use is considerably shorter than other brands!

[johan]

ummm,

I am Moto-Dynamix

I work with suspension Ohlin;s Race tech etc

I do sell and stock Continentall tyres

What more can I do for you?

O, and are an old has been racer, who has an idea or 2 left in his head cell

My bad Shaun, I stand corrected, Continental is very well represented at the track through Moto-Dynamix.
I had another popular brand in my mind when I wrote the above.

It's time for a new set of rubber for my bike and I'd be interested to change brand try the Continentals. Not only have I heard good things about them but if I could get a few minutes with an IOM legend, that'd be a great experience!

[Shaun]

My bad Shaun, I stand corrected, Continental is very well represented at the track through Moto-Dynamix.
I had another popular brand in my mind when I wrote the above.

It's time for a new set of rubber for my bike and I'd be interested to change brand try the Continentals. Not only have I heard good things about them but if I could get a few minutes with an IOM legend, that'd be a great experience!

IOM Legend in my own mind mate ha ha

Jump ship NOW dude, and you have my 100% commitment to helping you go forward, I only deal with Continental tyres, I ride on what I sell! and will NOT sell anything I will not use myself.

[Shaun]

My bad Shaun, I stand corrected, Continental is very well represented at the track through Moto-Dynamix.
I had another popular brand in my mind when I wrote the above.

It's time for a new set of rubber for my bike and I'd be interested to change brand try the Continentals. Not only have I heard good things about them but if I could get a few minutes with an IOM legend, that'd be a great experience!

That popular brand, is probally the popular brand that is bringing in 2 year old tyres to sell to it;s customers here, for a cheaoish price, with high margins in them for importer, as they purchased them cheap, due to the age of the tyre?

Of course, I am only guessing ha ha ha yea write, i looked at 12 tyres last weekend, that were all 2 years old, yet just purchased
NEW here in the last month- strooth

[wharfy]

I had no tyre problems, I used the Conti race attack, got some tips from Shaun about preassure.

And didn't go fast - no problem.

They are wearing so well it looks like I will only have to change them when I get sick of the colour.

Do Conti do anything in a nice beige Shaun ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

And heck just imagine the tyre issues if everyone was racing on stock suspension. And there are less than informed people proposing such.

No problem if everyone has stock suspension! I know you're gonna say it'll save them $'s on tyres...but non stock suspension set up incorrectly will fuck em too!

[Robert Taylor]

No problem if everyone has stock suspension! I know you're gonna say it'll save them $'s on tyres...but non stock suspension set up incorrectly will fuck em too!

I repeat, there would be MAJOR tyre issues with stock suspension, especially with the 600s AND 1000s. What part of that dont you understand???????

[suzuki21]

And heck just imagine the tyre issues if everyone was racing on stock suspension. And there are less than informed people proposing such.

It looks as though everyone is running way to much tyre pressure, its not due to just the suspension. No matter how good your suspension is tyres run at incorrect pressure will chew up. Pirelli compounds and sidewall structure were actually changed last year, you can look up the code numbers on the internet for the correct pressure - hint - 20-21 for a rear.

[suzuki21]

I repeat, there would be MAJOR tyre issues with stock suspension, especially with the 600s AND 1000s. What part of that dont you understand???????

Stock suspension isnt that bad now days, ever tried to ride an old GSXR1100 fast?

[suzuki21]

And heck just imagine the tyre issues if everyone was racing on stock suspension. And there are less than informed people proposing such.

I believe at the MNZ meeting there were some very informed people who agreed to the new suspension rules, one was Aaron somebody who as well as riding bikes with factory wsbk suspension also used to race production bikes with way too much power for the tyres and suspension of the day.

[Robert Taylor]

It looks as though everyone is running way to much tyre pressure, its not due to just the suspension. No matter how good your suspension is tyres run at incorrect pressure will chew up. Pirelli compounds and sidewall structure were actually changed last year, you can look up the code numbers on the internet for the correct pressure - hint - 20-21 for a rear.

That is one part of the equation that many overlook, yes. But only one part.

[Robert Taylor]

Stock suspension isnt that bad now days, ever tried to ride an old GSXR1100 fast?

We get LOTS of trackday and ordinary everyday road riders that come to us seeking improvements to their supension and solutions to tyre issues.
Yes, in the mid 70s through to mid 80s I owned a succession of road bikes, incl RD350, XS650 / 750 / 1100, XJ650, RZ500, FZ750 etc. Whilst working in England I worked on and rode every imaginable road bike.
What I do know is that one thing is consistent from then until the present, suspension is still the weak area on road going motorcycles. And when you race them those problems magnify.

[Robert Taylor]

I believe at the MNZ meeting there were some very informed people who agreed to the new suspension rules, one was Aaron somebody who as well as riding bikes with factory wsbk suspension also used to race production bikes with way too much power for the tyres and suspension of the day.

The suspension regulations rules for 2010 have been locked in for some time, before that MNZ conference. Nothing is decided beyond and its going to committee hearings from here on in.
Aaron was I believe an invite from the pro stock suspension lobby and really he should have known better. His days of racing proddy bikes were when there was a lot less horsepower, flimsy frames and less footprint to challenge tyres. The tyres were also a lot less developed / focused than they are now and more forgiving. That was the past and we are not going back there.
Production Superbikes probably have about the same horsepower as the WSBK bikes Aaron used to race and if Honda had turned up with stock production suspension for him to race with I imagine he would have laughed in their faces! So on that basis his presence had no credibility. ( I have absolutely no personal issues with Aaron )
There is also one suspension tuner who has been in the road race game only a little over two years, if the rules change to production based he will make more money than dealing with aftermarket ( as would I ) I call that vested interest.
We should keep up with the rest of the world and not aspire to third world mentality. Recessions dont last forever. At VMCC round 2 there were 34 bikes in the Superbike / 600 field and 90% were fitted with aftermarket suspension, 2 that werent have now ordered aftermarket either as new or secondhand.
The numbers and equipment are there!!!! Its a matter of re-organising the Nationals to attract those riders.