Building Code/Safety?

[Big Dave]

I have an idea....how about you watch where your going...using your eyes...and take responsibility for your own actions?? and when you stuff up...don't blame someone else...LEARN from it!!

Just like riding a bike??? wadddya fink?

The one that nearly impacted my dandruff was leaving a Thai or Indian (I don't remember) Restaurant near the corner of Greenlane and Manukau Roads.

Walking through the shoulder height passageway was cool entering.

The overhanging stairs were not so noticable when leaving and quite well fucked up.

I missed them, but commented at the time - in a brand new-ish building - 'Where is the building code here?'

[YellowDog]

They would have reduced the risk and perhaps saved there own lives if they had followed their obligations under current OSH law and carried out hazard identification and management and ensured proper practise was followed, and that capable people were in the right positions, Like the fuckin retard in the digger.

Yes you are quite right. But if there were proper H & S systems in place these guys would never have been under the house in the first place. It ain't safe. Accidents happen and a digger going AWOL should not be enough to result in deaths.

Fortunately Motorcycling has better safety standards.

[cowpoos]

I missed them, but commented at the time - in a brand new-ish building - 'Where is the building code here?'

That is odd...there are laws and guidelines on heights of objects etc...right down to heights of stair case rails etc...I'll see if I can find a few laws on that.

but...you realise...your height is genetically superior when compared to the average Bob.

[cowpoos]

That is odd...there are laws and guidelines on heights of objects etc...right down to heights of stair case rails etc...I'll see if I can find a few laws on that.

but...you realise...your height is genetically superior when compared to the average Bob.

Here are PDF's to alot of the compliances to the building code.

http://www.dbh.govt.nz/compliance-docs-get-copies

as for references to height http://www.dbh.govt.nz/UserFiles/Fil.../clause-d1.pdf

and

http://www.dbh.govt.nz/codewords-28-7

[Headbanger]

Yes you are quite right. But if there were proper H & S systems in place these guys would never have been under the house in the first place. It ain't safe. Accidents happen and a digger going AWOL should not be enough to result in deaths.

Fortunately Motorcycling has better safety standards.

The systems are there, They ignored them. Its all in the health and safety act. Which they and the company they work for are lawfully bound to follow.

If you want to compare it to riding bikes, Then its like doing 200km/h with no helmet and no brakes then blaming the laws you ignored for the resulting carnage. Would you do put yourself at risk like that for $15 an hour?

The location of the digger should have been identified as a hazard and moved, as should the systems they had in place for jacking up the house, and the weather.

[BMWST?]

Yes you are quite right. But if there were proper H & S systems in place these guys would never have been under the house in the first place. It ain't safe. Accidents happen and a digger going AWOL should not be enough to result in deaths.

Fortunately Motorcycling has better safety standards.

tell me how you can lower a relocated building onto its new foundations without actually going under it?.

[Big Dave]

That is odd...there are laws and guidelines on heights of objects etc...right down to heights of stair case rails etc...I'll see if I can find a few laws on that.

but...you realise...your height is genetically superior when compared to the average Bob.

Superior? - not for motorcycle racing - I guess there are codes - and there is adherence to the code, too.

[Big Dave]

Here is a photo of the incident.

New avatar dude.

[Headbanger]

And based on what I just saw on TV, I'll take back all my assumptions and wait and see what the OSH investigation turns up.

[flyingcrocodile46]

For around half a century (ever since they stopped using heart totara for framing) EVERYBODY who ever picked up a hammer knew you didn't use untreated pinus radiata for permanent work.

Then some brain dead rooster in Wellington comes out and says "Oh, it's OK, all good to use untreated". Completely coincidental that a certain huge corporation made millions as a result of that decision of course. And EVERYBODY who ever picked up a hammer knew that it would inevitably end in tears. Just a matter of time. The chippies building those houses with untreated knew they would rot. Not their decision, and nobody would listen to them

Every wooden framed house ever built leaks. Sooner or later. Timber needs to be rot resistant for as long as it take to dry out. Pretending that you can use untreated pinus and seal the building so tight that it never leaks is just bullshit.

Got a leaky house? Blame an unholy alliance between that certain corporation and the Greens.

And I am sure the door would not have been 30cm lower than standard. You'd have to be a dwarf to get through it. Maybe 3 cm , 30mm ?

+1 for someone who appears to actually know something about the real issues.

Quite correct, they always did and will leak. The issue is not that they leak... the real issue is the damage caused by (in most cases, very minor) leaks and the cost to fix them. That's where untreated timber comes into play... fixing the leak doesn't fix the decayed or at risk timber. The price of "stopping the leaks" is a very small part of the cost. Approx 75% to 90% of the cost of the repairs is purely down to the remediation of the decayed/untreated framing.

It ain't fair to blame designers, developers, builders or building consent authorities for the costs associated with down grading the durability of timber framing. That blame lays squarely with the likes of CCH and other industry players for manipulating the market into thinking that untreated timber was the way to go (kindly sponsoring their employees to provide their services to the standards association to get it mandated) together with the BIA and standards association (Govt) for allowing (mandating) that it was acceptable to use untreated framing.

Wankers

Cladding failures are to be (and should be) expected. If the structural materials met the durability requirements mandated in NZBC B2 New Zealanders wouldn't know what the fuck "Leaky Building Syndrome" was.

Blame the government for 80% of the cost. That is where the blame lies. It is morally reprehensible that they indemnified the building industry authority (BIA) and BRANZ and then encourage a litigious process that makes victims out of everyone (even a concrete placer that pours a concrete drive where a home owner tells him to put it, gets shafted for $50,000.00) Where is the justice in that??? Fuck them

[flyingcrocodile46]

tell me how you can lower a relocated building onto its new foundations without actually going under it?.

What's your budget to do the job and what's your budget for the logistics plan?

[Big Dave]

A budget for making a plan? Nice. I wish I could charge that.


>>foundations without actually going under it?<<

Could you lift the floorboards?

[flyingcrocodile46]

A budget for making a plan? Nice. I wish I could charge that.


>>foundations without actually going under it?<<

Could you lift the floorboards?

You're onto it. If it's a straight forward flat site with lowish height bearers and subfloor bracing (installed and fixed to piles before siting house over them) a few carefully located holes in the flooring would give the required access to complete the job from above. It is then safe to enter under it (barring being situated adjacent to un-retained excavations surcharged with heavy live loads)

That'll be $150 + GST thanks

[Big Dave]

That'll be $150 + GST thanks

It's that old yarn about the engineer who charges $100 to hit a boiler with a hammer. It's not the hitting - it's knowing where to hit.

Cool - that lines up nicely with PR opp. You only owe me 50. :-)

[geestring]

site forman should have his arse kicked. first major rule on any site, hard hat and hi vizz, did you fill out a report. osh will love to hear about this im sure. sorry to hear about it though.