Shut CYF down

[Conquiztador]

CYF also has other "reasons" to exist. They call the shots for all WINZ subsidy funding approvals for up to 13yo children.

If you run a programme for kids up to 13 yo and you charge a fee you have two options:

1. Forget about WINZ subsidies and make all parents pay from their pockets. This means 80% of NZ'ers will miss out on the subsidy when using your programme. (In reality you miss out on 80% of customers...) This means CYF will not be involved in checking your programme.

2. You want the families who are able to get WINZ subsidies to use your programmes. So you need CYF approval. A nightmare! The shit they want you to do!! Pedantic waste of time shit! The paperwork is huge.

Here a example:
A school class can have 30-40 kids in the classroom with one teacher. Shools are not under the jurisdiction of CYF byt MOE (Ministery Of Education). If you then want to use the same classroom for example After School Care and need a CYF approval you must have 2 Supervisors all time there up to 20 kids. 3 for 20-30 kids and 4 for 31-40 kids. No exeptions!. And CYF is currently trying to put in place a rule that each kid needs 5 square meters space.

That means that same classroom where 35 kids spent the day happily with one teacher now can only have 12 kids and there must be two Supervisors...

Then if you want to also cater for 14yo+ kids you need a different approval to add to the first one. And it takes 2 months to get any of this shit done.

If you then want to take the same group of kids (think Holiday Programmes) for a sleep over at somewhere, example a camp, you need a new approval. You also need to have a smaller ratio as there is more dangers. Take the kids swimming and the ratio is 1 Supervisor to 4 kids.

And there is heaps more. I could write a book about this stuff.

There is only one government organisation I am scared for in NZ. Forget Police, Immigration, Customs. They are pussies. CYF has unlimited power! You are guilty until you can prove that you are innocent. Now that is scary!!!

[nana_mac]

Probably a few kids who have been removed from abusive or neglectful parents I'd suggest. CYFS is primarily there for their welfare so they are the ones you need to ask.

Cyf's still there for the dam drop kick parents, not for the prtection of the child as I will know as a gran bringing up a grandchild.

[u4ea]

CYF are usually the ambulance at the botton of the cliff...Im actually glad to see in this instance they looked into a situation before the "responsible" 9 yr old could forsee any danger to the 4 yr old sibling...to me it is the same as leaving the kids under the age of 14 home alone..just because its a park, in my opinion it doesnt mean they are safe.

[Pixie]

A foot note both my kids told mom that 1 week was enough escorting to school

See what I mean?
Today,having your mom do escort work near a school would probably be frowned upon

[James Deuce]

So some of you are fine with an organisation that you feel is working for the safety of children to call this absolute horror of a boarding school, "cosy, and "charming"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2607...ol-for-scandal



They keep kids in their care in a building so dilapidated parts are locked off because it is falling down. CYF fail the kids in their care and society at large. We pay for them with our taxes to keep kids in a building where the toilet floor is covered in faeces.

[firefighter]

That's the crux of the whole thing. CYF has a DUTY to investigate. That is their job! It's the same as if a drunk fella was hit by a car as he staggered across the road from the pub. Even though it's obvious who was to blame, the Police are still duty-bound to investigate the circumstances.

Don't give me that DUTY shit.

It's because the kid is brough up in a nice, white home, with genuine nice caring parents.

You may or may not have seen posts of the child abuse going on next door to me which I tried repeatedly to report to CYFS, in the housing NZ house......

Basically I was treated like shit by cyfs, I even told them I have video evidence, of the kids being picked up and thrown outside, called disgusting little motherfuckers/screamed right in their faces, and the right from prison speaking "BRO" from cyfs speaking in a thick blackscent straight from the streets of Otara tells me not to worry about it.

I had sent it into Cambell live but I have'nt had a reply. Was a few months back now.

[Dean]

Don't give me that DUTY shit.

It's because the kid is brough up in a nice, white home, with genuine nice caring parents.

You may or may not have seen posts of the child abuse going on next door to me which I tried repeatedly to report to CYFS, in the housing NZ house......

Basically I was treated like shit by cyfs, I even told them I have video evidence, of the kids being picked up and thrown outside, called disgusting little motherfuckers/screamed right in their faces, and the right from prison speaking "BRO" from cyfs speaking in a thick blackscent straight from the streets of Otara tells me not to worry about it.

I had sent it into Cambell live but I have'nt had a reply. Was a few months back now.

I guess they must of changed in the last few years, when they took me the months preceeding they had one on one interviews with me in the lounge and constantly snoop around the house. They wouldnt leave me alone, i dont know why they arent dealing with the case you presented. It is a shithouse staying in a cyfs home, you can get stabbed, beaten, for food and possesions. As pictures show the toilets are always dirty, worst place to stay. It is IN NO WAY A SAFE ENVIROMENT OR CLEAN. Wishing to be taken to a rich persons home was their heaven.

[buffstar]

Nope but I know a couple of local plods and they get the odd call from Joe public on unsavoury charactors hanging around parks. Not a lot but it does happen.

The other equation that this parent allowed his nine year old son to look after his four year old daughter. What sort of impact do you think that would have on a child if something happened to his sister?

Call it what you will but I call placing a nine year old with the responsibilty of looking after a four year old in public place or for that matter even in the family home bad parenting. If you think otherwise your choice.

Skyryder

Yes I have to agree here, although many of us had a very free childhood and nothing happened....... my nine year old son was left at home 1st October 08, (his dad was just next door helping the neighbour out )-he died tragically because a nine year old child has no fucking idea of consequences of actions or self preservation
at the end of the day you DO only have one chance with your child - and if you fuck it up as my ex partner did you and everyone else who loved that child suffer for the rest of their lives.
very good point about the 9yr old coping had something happened to his sister. My daughter was not there when Zak died, and yet still feels guilty for what she could have/should have/would have done.........

personally I watch my kids like a hawk, their grip on reality is soooooo far different from ours as adults - I let them make their own mistakes - but I'm there to pick up the pieces and mop up the blood

However I also agree that CYFs are a bunch of wankers