Hazzard County

[ManDownUnder]

...they target bikers make no mistake...

I'd suggest they target specific bikers - I've been here 4 years and never had a problem. Not minimising the issue at all, manslaughter is manslaughter but it seems the MO might be to chase specific plates

[SixPackBack]

I'd suggest they target specific bikers - I've been here 4 years and never had a problem. Not minimising the issue at all, manslaughter is manslaughter but it seems the MO might be to chase specific plates

How transparent is that? surely if the police had an issue with specific bikers a quiet word would be the first course of action....you know like the old days when people communicated....Ironically the only time a police officer has attempted to notify me of questionable on road behaviour another officer exposed him as a liar a short time afterwards.
Incidentally Nigel you have also socialised with the young mans mother on a few occasions...

[RT527]

Your opinion is not shared with the Independent Police Conduct Authority.

But Its his Opinion as this is mine too!.

Do you mean the ones who are being PC its bullshit, they couldn't decide which hand to handcuff on a one handed offender! I believe it should be the sole responsibility of the driver being pursued that in the event of a death he should be charged with Murder or manslaughter. If you have nothing to hide or fear then you pull over , if you are guilty you are 10 times more likely to run from the law.
I don't disagree with you on some things but We have to get back to personal Responsibility, Oh and isn't it the responsibility of the police whether you like it or not to uphold the law why cant we let them do that and before you say it not all police are like what you perceive them to be.

Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.

[SixPackBack]

But Its his Opinion as this is mine too!.

Do you mean the ones who are being PC its bullshit, they couldn't decide which hand to handcuff on a one handed offender! I believe it should be the sole responsibility of the driver being pursued that in the event of a death he should be charged with Murder or manslaughter. If you have nothing to hide or fear then you pull over , if you are guilty you are 10 times more likely to run from the law.
I don't disagree with you on some things but We have to get back to personal Responsibility, Oh and isn't it the responsibility of the police whether you like it or not to uphold the law why cant we let them do that and before you say it not all police are like what you perceive them to be.

Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.

Fight or flight reaction is very strong within testosterone fuelled individuals, and would explain why many 'runners' come about-they are scared and do the only thing they can. Run. Often to avoid another offence, if that is drink driving or having a few cones, then you would have to say neither crime deserves 'death by police pursuit'!?
Probably one of the many reasons that police protocol requires officers to confer with Comms. control before making rash decisions, is that fight or flight reaction is recognised and needs to be considered. i.e will the motorist speed to his death? in this case the answer was 'yes'.
And yes you are correct about good coppers. I have met a great deal of superlative individuals associated with keeping the law-my wife is one of them. Unfortunately Hazzard county has a bad reputation for over zealous dodgy coppers and its about time something was done to correct it.

[RT527]

like I said I don't Disagree with you , there are some damning things on that officer , I'm just expressing that we need to get tougher on the ones that run and in my eyes that means pursuing them until they are caught.
I haven't really had many problems when I'm pulled but then I usually pass the attitude test pretty quickly And I am guessing that the ones with the good story's on here are the same.

[ManDownUnder]

Just got the printed version of the Rodney Times delivered... this story take up the whole front page

[slowpoke]

You might wonder why I am fired up about this case. I know the young mans mother and have met her at several functions, she is not the same person pre accident...not the same at all!.......she has an over zealous officer to thank for what is close to the man slaughter of her sons death, and from experience her life will be that much poorer for ever more without the presence of her son.

WTF? Have I missed something? Was the officer driving the sons car? Was the son an innocent passenger? Sorry, "close to manslaughter" is stretching the truth.

The son is responsible for the mother's grief, and you should be angry at the son. Thanks to the poor decision making of the son, many peoples lives are ruined, including the coppers.

[SixPackBack]

like I said I don't Disagree with you , there are some damning things on that officer , I'm just expressing that we need to get tougher on the ones that run and in my eyes that means pursuing them until they are caught.
I haven't really had many problems when I'm pulled but then I usually pass the attitude test pretty quickly And I am guessing that the ones with the good story's on here are the same.

Pursuing until caught??......this case proves that is not always possible, catching them?...absolutley.

Attitude is a two way thing. Respect is not earned not given. Sadly attitude is absence from some of the officers within Hazzard county. Expecting said motorist/s to behave with respect after an officer has blatantly lied or laughed while ticketing, has some sad ramifications to the rest of the force.

Pay it forward......said motorist gets stopped again and is defensive before the officer has even opened his mouth, and understandably so.

[SixPackBack]

WTF? Have I missed something? Was the officer driving the sons car? Was the son an innocent passenger? Sorry, "close to manslaughter" is stretching the truth.

The son is responsible for the mother's grief, and you should be angry at the son. Thanks to the poor decision making of the son, many peoples lives are ruined, including the coppers.

an extract from the article...
Justice Lowell Goddard said the primary responsibility for the fatal crash lay with the driver of the car being chased, Troy Anderson, who was intoxicated, drove at speed and lost control of his vehicle.

.......And secondary responsibility lay with the officer who behaved as immarturaley as the driver of the Subaru. Additionally he broke police protocol as a maverick.

Yup the officer most certainly has to accept some blame himself. Read the article, doubt is also placed upon surrounding officers who looked to reduce the amount of potental blame the pursuing officer would get. Crooked fuckers.

With all due respect slowpoke come and live in Hazzard county for a year and you will be siging exactly the same tune. CORRUPTION.

[klingon]

WTF? Have I missed something? Was the officer driving the sons car? Was the son an innocent passenger? Sorry, "close to manslaughter" is stretching the truth.

The son is responsible for the mother's grief, and you should be angry at the son. Thanks to the poor decision making of the son, many peoples lives are ruined, including the coppers.

Just to clarify: Yes, the guy who was killed was a passenger in the car that crashed, not the driver. Also he was wearing a seat belt (but had his seat reclined too far so the belt didn't stop him being thrown from the car).

[ghost]

So intoxicated fuckwit drivers should be given free range to what ever they want? Sounds rational.

The message being is drink, drive, kill someone, not your fault, but that cop who had the gaul to thinks of stopping you, and didnt follow to the exact letter, the pursuit policy, totally to blame...... I think he should at least loose his job, I mean what was he thinking.......

[R6_kid:Me]

WTF? Have I missed something? Was the officer driving the sons car? Was the son an innocent passenger? Sorry, "close to manslaughter" is stretching the truth.

The son is responsible for the mother's grief, and you should be angry at the son. Thanks to the poor decision making of the son, many peoples lives are ruined, including the coppers.

If you did your job incorrectly and someone died as a consequence, what would you expect to happen?

If you did your job overzealously over and over again, building a bad name for the organisation for which you represent, what would you expect to happen?

[SixPackBack]

...... I think he should at least loose his job, I mean what was he thinking.......

........Agreed.

[nosebleed]

Fight or flight reaction is very strong within testosterone fuelled individuals, and would explain why many 'runners' come about-they are scared and do the only thing they can. Run. Often to avoid another offence, if that is drink driving or having a few cones, then you would have to say neither crime deserves 'death by police pursuit'!?
Probably one of the many reasons that police protocol requires officers to confer with Comms. control before making rash decisions, is that fight or flight reaction is recognised and needs to be considered. i.e will the motorist speed to his death? in this case the answer was 'yes'.
And yes you are correct about good coppers. I have met a great deal of superlative individuals associated with keeping the law-my wife is one of them. Unfortunately Hazzard county has a bad reputation for over zealous dodgy coppers and its about time something was done to correct it.

Sorry dude, i can see where you're coming from in terms of the over-zealous attitude, but i don't think this particular case is the one with which build your platform

The point I've highighted is not one that WE should consider but rather one that Mr Anderson should consider... he was the driver, he was pissed, and he was (reportedly) travelling at 150 - 170 kph.

What did happen to Mr Anderson? he caused the death of his mate.
His mate flew out of the car because his seatbelt couldn't do its job... lying as flat as possible in the front seats is not only a crime against good taste, but it is also intrinsicly (?) unsafe...as Jamie McElrea found out.
To me and mine this seatbelt thing is patently obvious, but even if Jamie McElrea couldn't work it out for himself his parents should have taught him. I'm sure his old man has enough life experience.

There are laws against drink driving, check out the feeling on http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=101840 to see what our attitudes to this are.

There are laws against speeding, and reading this article I can see why the Rodney cops are getting 'zealous'. trouble is fuckwits that drink-drive-speed are shitting in your nest too.

'Boy-Racers' in Subaru's are first to bitch about being picked on, but the irresponsible attitude they display is the root cause (see seatbelt rant) not the Police's desire to pull over every Subaru they see.
Hell, my old girl drives a Forrester (in Rodney) and she isn't targeted.

How different this thread would have been if a bike was coming the other way around one of Mr Anderson's blind corners.

The pursuit didn't cause the crash -- Anderson did. And HE is the one that everyone should be venting at.

[SixPackBack]

Sorry dude, i can see where you're coming from in terms of the over-zealous attitude, but i don't think this particular case is the one with which build your platform

The point I've highighted is not one that WE should consider but rather one that Mr Anderson should consider... he was the driver, he was pissed, and he was (reportedly) travelling at 150 - 170 kph.

What did happen to Mr Anderson? he caused the death of his mate.
His mate flew out of the car because his seatbelt couldn't do its job... lying as flat as possible in the front seats is not only a crime against good taste, but it is also intrinsicly (?) unsafe...as Jamie McElrea found out.
To me and mine this seatbelt thing is patently obvious, but even if Jamie McElrea couldn't work it out for himself his parents should have taught him. I'm sure his old man has enough life experience.

There are laws against drink driving, check out the feeling on http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=101840 to see what our attitudes to this are.

There are laws against speeding, and reading this article I can see why the Rodney cops are getting 'zealous'. trouble is fuckwits that drink-drive-speed are shitting in your nest too.

'Boy-Racers' in Subaru's are first to bitch about being picked on, but the irresponsible attitude they display is the root cause (see seatbelt rant) not the Police's desire to pull over every Subaru they see.
Hell, my old girl drives a Forrester (in Rodney) and she isn't targeted.

How different this thread would have been if a bike was coming the other way around one of Mr Anderson's blind corners.

The pursuit didn't cause the crash -- Anderson did. And HE is the one that everyone should be venting at.

So in your view the officer is completely without blame?

As for the coppers getting zealous in Hazzard County......no excuse exists for the police to lie or laugh to the motorists they are sworn to protect. Collectively the coppers are largely a bunch of arse holes in Hazzard county, come and have a taste and tell me different.