No no no, special hand outs & treats to appease a minority that will essentially always be a failure because they expect a leg in everywhere is racist bro.Originally Posted by hospitalfood
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No no no, special hand outs & treats to appease a minority that will essentially always be a failure because they expect a leg in everywhere is racist bro.
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I agree to a point....but at the end of the day it is just material $ not cash...I just look through History and the Maori were not the only people to be invaded and re-invaded...the Maoria were the first here (?) that is all but at the end of the day the Maori have had a better deal than the American Native Indians, Abo's and to me it was greed and revenge that made some Maori take the guns for land (they had land to give away anyway) so it was not all one sided.
When does the point come when we are all considered NZers I wonder which is more important....I know if I was Maori I would get half the hassles I get with being Nats Father....
At some stage "let go" has to preside
e mare libertas
In the nineteenth century, the Crown (basically) confiscated a bunch of land that was already legally owned by its Maori citizens.
(Let's leave the question of citizenship versus separate sovereignty and the issues with mistranslation of Treaty alone for now, and just take the conservative position that they were standard citizens in a British colony.)
Since 1985, the Crown has recognised that all that land, etc, was not purchased fairly at market value, and has been compensating the descendants of the people it confiscated it from.
(The original ToW Act in 1975 didn't empower the Tribunal to consider historical claims; it was a bit of a lame duck until the 1985 amendment.)
That's really all there is to it. And yes, there is a shitload of money involved, because a large portion of the country was shifted from private to Crown ownership in the nineteenth century without any proper consideration.
The fact that modern Maori are overrepresented in crime and unemployment statistics is a red herring. Bringing it up in discussion of Treaty settlements is a fallacious tactic, worthy of politicans, not sidecar racers.
Regardless of the other ongoing social issues in NZ today, these Treaty settlements are an honest and well-founded attempt to address a grievous historical wrong.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
e mare libertas
I suggest you read The Penguin History of New Zealand by Michael King.
We already are.
And those of us who had significant assets confiscated from our great-great-grandparents by the Crown are being paid compensation for that.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
.....your time is coming
I agree but Maori are not the only ones ever wronged and if they did as some suggest take the land from others then this is an issue to....In the nineteenth century, the Crown (basically) confiscated a bunch of land that was already legally owned by its Maori citizens.
(Let's leave the question of citizenship versus separate sovereignty and the issues with mistranslation of Treaty alone for now, and just take the conservative position that they were standard citizens in a British colony.)
Since 1985, the Crown has recognised that all that land, etc, was not purchased fairly at market value, and has been compensating the descendants of the people it confiscated it from.
(The original ToW Act in 1975 didn't empower the Tribunal to consider historical claims; it was a bit of a lame duck until the 1985 amendment.)
That's really all there is to it. And yes, there is a shitload of money involved, because a large portion of the country was shifted from private to Crown ownership in the nineteenth century without any proper consideration.
The fact that modern Maori are overrepresented in crime and unemployment statistics is a red herring. Bringing it up in discussion of Treaty settlements is a fallacious tactic, worthy of politicans, not sidecar racers.
Regardless of the other ongoing social issues in NZ today, these Treaty settlements are an honest and well-founded attempt to address a grievous historical wrong.
Land is just that..land....we need oxygen to breath...
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Short question with a long answer but I'll give a short one.
In breif the Treaty gave Maori protection under the Crown and it's laws.'
The Maori Wars gave the Crown an excuse where Treaty rights and the crowns obligation to the Treaty were broken.
The Seabed and Foreshore issue is another case entirely. Maori believe that they have ownership. Labour stopped the issue from going before the court where ownership could be tested.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
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No I wont cause I prefer to look forward....compensation....mmmm...I admit I may not know enough but I prefer to look at now....
We will all be NZers when we all have the same rights...
e mare libertas
Who else, in NZ's short history, has had billions of dollars worth of prime real estate confiscated by the Government?
And as for 'took it from others', read that history book, dude.
You haven't really moved past the 'got off the plane and got a job' step of immigration, have you?
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
e mare libertas
What an idiotic statement.
Sorry dude, it really is.
If you refuse to learn about the reasons for the current situation, then that's fine and dandy, but I'd suggest that you refrain from commenting on it.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
The Sharif don't like it!
They also seem to think they own the radio waves lol.
Cause you know, they were using those heaps before the white devil got here!
-Indy
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It was not worth billions of $ then...who knows what would have happend if Europeans had not moved here??
I just see life different to you Dan...I think there are more important things to life...its short enough anyway...land is just land at the end of the day
.....your time is coming
That's fine...and no I can still comment and happy to be knocked down....reading books etc is just fine but there are plenty of books and we were not there.
Just faidin away!
Personally I don't believe they should have done that!
It was just creating another festering sore!
A circus to rev up on demand to divert attention from selective serious issues, that's Labour's way!
e mare libertas
I was speaking in current dollars.
The considerations paid for the land confiscations were nonexistent or laughable. Adjusted for inflation, the confiscations were and are indeed worth billions.
O RLY? Well, that's all right, then. Your incisive arguments are, as always, compelling.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
I'ma get medieval on your ass!
Let go eh. Tell that to the Irish regarding Oliver Cromwell, the Scots regarding the Clearances, the people of the Balkans who variously still love/revile Vlad the Impaler from the 15th century! Grievances from Vlads day played out directly in the Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian war which took place in the 1990s. 500 years later.
Go back even further to the Diaspora when the Romans expelled the Jews from Palestine in 300AD. That was finally dealt with in 1948.
Sometimes history and culture come together to heal wrongs. We can only try.
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