Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[Molly]

Not meant to stir up a load of anti-anybody anything but just want to ask about the Maori land / financial settlements I see in the news from time to time. Particularly:

Is there an end in sight?
What happens to the money? Does it benefit or support Maori communities or individuals directly and in what way?
Where does the money come from? Surely one generation of Kiwis couldn't afford to settle long-standing, historic claims out of public money / their taxes?

[gatch]

To add to the above, why on earth should "ownership" (of the sea bed/foreshore) change hands anyway ?

[popelli]

Is there an end in sight?

of course there is an end in sight, every couple of years we make a large final settlement to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

I had a guts full of this 10 years ago and left NZ for good as I was sick of being treated as a second class citizen

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

[Elysium]

What happens to the money?

Hmmm Pokies?

[Horney1]

I had a guts full of this 10 years ago and left NZ for good as I was sick of being treated as a second class citizen

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

Yep, one of the reasons I left to...

[duckonin]

Yep, one of the reasons I left to...

Yep that is just what the "white Mories, always wanting more", wanted you and all of us to do..Up em we were born here to..

[Dave Lobster]

....we were born here to..

...to what??

[tri boy]

There's are really good rugby league team that somebody should buy

[MIXONE]

Easy answer is go up to the next maori you see and ask them how much they have recieved from previous settlements.I bet that unless they are wearing a suit or driving a Chrysler 300C the answer will be "Fuck all bro".

[Winston001]

New Zealand once had a reputation for being at the forefront of new ideas. We were the first nation to introduce the old age pension and the womans vote.

We have again taken the high moral ground by recognising and remedying historical injustices against Maori. Canada is doing the same for the Inuit.

The Waitangi Tribunal was established in 1975, so this process has been going on for 34 years. It isn't new.

Settlements come from Crown land, lump sums, and assets purchased by the Crown for that purpose. The burden of settlement is not imposed on a single generation, at 34 years we are already into our second generation. Also Crown land holdings date back to the 1840s.

[popelli]

The Waitangi Tribunal was established in 1975, so this process has been going on for 34 years. It isn't new.

Final settlements were made well before this date

have they done any good

I remember talking to a school friend over 30 years ago, he was moaning about the injustice of a fellow school leaver getting all his tools paid for on his apprenticeship paid for because he was a maori where as he had to pay for his own tools because he was white

No idea what happened to the maori or where his apprenticeship or tools went

But I do know where Mike Tomas went with having to pay for his own tools - California and he now owns Kiwi (Indian) Motocycles and remanufactures brand new 48 Indian Chiefs that he sells to the likes of Jay Leno

[sidecar bob]

Everytime this shit surfaces, some dumbass brown politician always has to say condescendingly "we need to address this so we can move forward together as a nation" what a fuckin load of shit.

[uso_lelei]

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[hospitalfood]

you will not gain true understanding of the situation here, all you will do is feed the inner racist. and it sickens me to see it happening.

it is easier to blame and degrade others than to look at ourselves.
hitler and the jews is a prime example, a more contemporary one is destiny church.

if any of you have an open mind and truly want to understand the situation it will take a lot of study to get your head around it. i suspect you would rather blame the natives and continue in your racist ways.

[Dave Lobster]

No idea what happened to the maori or where his apprenticeship or tools went

I think we do

i suspect you would rather blame the natives and continue in your racist ways.

Blame them for what?
Being 70% of the prison population, despite being less than 10% of the population as a whole?
Having a minority of their race constantly on the scrounge for free money for no effort?

Someone did an execellent post the other week - JRandom, I think - the one with the youtube clip of the dumb shit with his 'maori' driving licence.

I think YOU have a very strange definition of racist if you think being fed up with the scrounging/racist claptrap that the likes of Pita Sharples and his ilk come out with isn't ten times worse than the (possibly) mild racism here.