Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[AD345]

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I had a guts full of this 10 years ago and left NZ for good as I was sick of being treated as a second class citizen

How did it actually impact you as an individual?

[Indiana_Jones]

We have again taken the high moral ground by recognising and remedying historical injustices against Maori. Canada is doing the same for the Inuit.

So when does one draw the line?

Can I get some money from the Germans for bombing us or some money from Italy for invading us a few years back

-Indy

[Winston001]

So when does one draw the line?

Can I get some money from the Germans for bombing us or some money from Italy for invading us a few years back

-Indy

Indy the Greek??


Draw the line? We can only do what we can. Recognising and righting historical injustices in our own country is easier than most because we are remote and have no land borders.

England still struggles today to heal events 400 years old in Ireland and Scotland.

Most of the world want China to give back Tibet - that's righting a wrong.

The Treaty settlements have had no negative impact on non-maori. What's the problem?

[Solly]

She's a hard road finding the perfect settlement bud.

[oldrider]

Indy the Greek??


Draw the line? We can only do what we can. Recognising and righting historical injustices in our own country is easier than most because we are remote and have no land borders.

England still struggles today to heal events 400 years old in Ireland and Scotland.

Most of the world want China to give back Tibet - that's righting a wrong.

The Treaty settlements have had no negative impact on non-maori. What's the problem?

Don't think that's quite right Winston001 baby, "we" (as taxpayers of today) are paying for the sins of our (supposed) fathers!

Some one else did the crime and we do the time! (so to speak)

True or false?

[Indiana_Jones]

Don't think that's quite right Winston001 baby, "we" (as taxpayers of today) are paying for the sins of our (supposed) fathers!

Some one else did the crime and we do the time! (so to speak)

True or false?

Pretty much what oldrider said.

Just because I was born in a nation with a past of walking into nations defended by people armed to the teeth with sharp fruit means I have to pay for it with my money now?

-Indy

[popelli]

The Treaty settlements have had no negative impact on non-maori. What's the problem?

exactly where does all this money come from - out of thin air - no it comes from the taxpayer of which approximately 80 - 90 % of whom are non maori

[awayatc]

He who looks to much in rear mirror,
smases up the front......

[Quasievil]

Its not a big bag of money delivered to the tribe people, the amounts are mostly made up of land and assets and a small amount of cash, for example the tribe Im associated with has a reasonable asset base to enable them to offer the tribe some bennifits for example I am part owner of the Bulls Police station and a few other stupid little dwellings and some land with some trees on it, big frecking deal, but the tribe who owed it in the first place with its own legal borders has got something back.............it was basically stolen via mean nasty english tossers.
I dont really care about the issue, but I take pride that we as a country address them as opposed to forget them and hope they will go away which seems to be the standard around the globe.

besides why should the government own some the the assets in question, they basically fuck up everything they touch, land is better with the Maori in many respects.

[davebullet]

This document seems to sum things up pretty well (I'm assuming it still stands):
http://www.waitangi-tribunal.govt.nz...ku/TPK/TPK.pdf

You have until 1/9/08 to submit your historical claim.
However, you can still amend your claim after submission - the above date is just the cutoff for new ones.
You can still submit new claims after 1/9/08 for grevances that occured after 1992. 1992 was set as the date where gov. changed its treaty handling process (I suppose a way of deliniating old from new ways of handling treaty issues).

So essentially, it doesn't really set a cut off date.

Of course any future government can overturn any legislation and the treat of waitangi tribunal carries on.

Here is where I would vote for the $9m on the smacking referrendum to be better spent on a treaty referrendum. (which I would make a binding one for the government - well at least the current one - lol).

[Usarka]

you will not gain true understanding of the situation here, all you will do is feed the inner racist. and it sickens me to see it happening.

it is easier to blame and degrade others than to look at ourselves.
hitler and the jews is a prime example, a more contemporary one is destiny church.

if any of you have an open mind and truly want to understand the situation it will take a lot of study to get your head around it. i suspect you would rather blame the natives and continue in your racist ways.

Instead of providing any answers or insights you say that "we" are all ignorant and racist and probably too stupid to understand it.

I call hypercrite.

[tri boy]

I am part owner of the Bulls Police station

Could you please evict that plonker of rozza that has no sence of humour, and is extremely quick on the ticket pencil.

[firefighter]

Not meant to stir up a load of anti-anybody anything but just want to ask about the Maori land / financial settlements I see in the news from time to time. Particularly:

Is there an end in sight?
What happens to the money? Does it benefit or support Maori communities or individuals directly and in what way?
Where does the money come from? Surely one generation of Kiwis couldn't afford to settle long-standing, historic claims out of public money / their taxes?

easy.

It's the claim that never ends, 'cause it goes on and on my friends, some people, started claiming it, after finding out they had enough maori to euro blood, and they'll continue claiming forever just because.......it is the claim does'nt end.....

[firefighter]

it was basically stolen via mean nasty english tossers.

I think they were very kind. They could have just killed and enslaved them all.....

You know there's some real irony in this, my blood mix is'nt quite of the right grade so i'm paying my taxes towards this, because some people with a slightly higher mix can get land etc. It's bullshit. I'm certainly not entitled to anything and I don't believe anyone else is.
How about the european mix of these claimers? Is it paying out too?lol

Really an endless argument, no full or even half bloods left, time to stop being entitled to anything surely.

The governments have been bending over backwards for decades on this issue now. It's been milked enough.

[hospitalfood]

Instead of providing any answers or insights you say that "we" are all ignorant and racist and probably too stupid to understand it.

I call hypercrite.

this is kiwibiker, not a fuckin university.
and i will not post pages about it because i cannot be bothered.

i will say IMO that this thread is racist and only makes things worse