Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[scumdog]

When oh when are the never-ending payouts going to end???

[Solly]

When oh when are the never-ending payouts going to end???

When we've ALL got bikes bro

[slowpoke]

Hehe, with 80 000 aus dollars in annually pay and 6500dollars in relocation package it cant be worse =)

Yep, you'll earn more dosh but you're just changing one set of headaches for another. Each country has it's own problems and injustices. Been there, done that for 17years.

On the settlement issue, it seems to me that a contract was made.....and broken. If this was a dispute between companies it would be no excuse that the board members or shareholders had changed, the offending company would still be liable for the intial damages.

[Drew]

There was talk at one point, of setting a date for all claims to be in. I thought the idea was good, didn't lesson who could claim, just that they get off their fuckin arse and start the prosess.

I know several people, who's tribe, iwi, whanau, whatever, have recieved a claim settlement, which pays for education and healthcare for members.

And then, there are people literally trying to sell the land, who have no claim to it at all. In the case I know anything about, a chap from outside the tribe, married an elder. She died, and he began negotiations with a Japanese crowd, to sell it.

The system is fucked, set a date, settle legitimate ones after it, and be done with the shit.

[Argyle]

On the settlement issue, it seems to me that a contract was made.....and broken. If this was a dispute between companies it would be no excuse that the board members or shareholders had changed, the offending company would still be liable for the intial damages.

Yes but most of the country's in the world are colonized by foreign people. This is just the way it goes, you can't take people tax money that is needed for a greater cause like health care and so on to a couple of Iwis who will just put them in their "mattress".

Look at Waikato Hospital, the hospital is in need of equipment for millions dollars becuase it is so unmodern and is way years after other country's. With new equipment and being able to offer to competitive wages the hospital would save much more lives. But no the treaty waitangi have to come first.

Kiwis have a common problem, no front thinking. Very impulsive and this attitude "i don't care" is like a pest goint through the people.

If the government in Sweden had given away millions of dollars to a race group of people and there were serious issues with poverty or bad health care, roads needs to be fixed, shortage of police, high criminality. The people had gone berserk! You just don't do anything like that, that is so hard to understand for me.

[firefighter]

The fact that modern Maori are overrepresented in crime and unemployment statistics is a red herring.

Now your taking the piss! (hang out around ANY court room or police station and take a look. The proof is in the pudding.

Even if the claims were halted tomorrow, there'd be something else instead.

Some people in life (not necessarily maoris, but some of them are a good local example) love playing the 'victim'. Always after something for nothing. Be it cash, sympathy, whatever.. there's always something.

Totally agree

i will say IMO that this thread is racist and only makes things worse

Oh, so your a troll?

Nothing racist here monkey boy, your just a little precious. People are entitled to discuss whatever they please, it does'nt make it racist

wikipedia- "racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

"[1] In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment"

(sounds like the super-council hikoi bullshit huh? racist protesters i'd say.....according to the dictionary anyway)

this thread does'nt favour any race, merely discussing a subject. I do'nt see in this thread anywhere anyone saying whites, yellows, blacks, browns or pinks are superior to any other.

[Bonez]

The system is fucked, set a date, settle legitimate ones after it, and be done with the shit.

September 2008 was the cut-off date.

http://www.hrc.co.nz/hrc_new/hrc/cms...y_Summary.html

[duckonin]

Its not a big bag of money delivered to the tribe people, the amounts are mostly made up of land and assets and a small amount of cash, for example the tribe Im associated with has a reasonable asset base to enable them to offer the tribe some bennifits for example I am part owner of the Bulls Police station and a few other stupid little dwellings and some land with some trees on it, big frecking deal, but the tribe who owed it in the first place with its own legal borders has got something back.............it was basically stolen via mean nasty english tossers.
I dont really care about the issue, but I take pride that we as a country address them as opposed to forget them and hope they will go away which seems to be the standard around the globe.

besides why should the government own some the the assets in question, they basically fuck up everything they touch, land is better with the Maori in many respects.

Best of both worlds Quasievil the small white Maori part of you wants the lot, but the white part of you gets a bit..FFS get it right the Maori stole the land off others in the first place, let them now heal the riff with "those decendents"...Land better with the Maori yeah right it would all be back in gorse in a few short years...

[Grahameeboy]

If you see your role in discussion as that of providing an uninformed foil to those who know what they're talking about, I shall happily let you continue your work.

I don't see that as my role....??

[Solly]

.............the Maori stole the land off others in the first place, let them now heal the riff with "those decendents"...

So who would would that be?

[jrandom]

There was talk at one point, of setting a date for all claims to be in.

That's been done. The deadline for submitting historical claims is sometime next year, I think. Or 2012-ish? Not too far away anyhow.

[jrandom]

Now your taking the piss! (hang out around ANY court room or police station and take a look. The proof is in the pudding.

Whoooosh.

(That was the sound of the point I made passing far above your head.)

Nobody's arguing that Maori aren't over-represented in NZ's crime statistics.

My point is that that fact is completely irrelevant to the legitimacy of claims for compensation for Treaty breaches.

[Quasievil]

I think (FRANKLY) that many of you hear the word Maori and irrespective of the subject matter feel compelled by your deep felt dislike for your fellow New Zealander to "drum beat" negative crapola.

If YOUR court says that Maori have a legitimate right to bring a case against the crown then perhaps accept it eh?

I mean for example, if the same court says you have a right to bring a case against the Crown relating to your issues then Im guessing thats okay, but just not if youre brown??

And again if the same Court sends a Maori to jail then its all good .........right?

some of you are bloody pathetic

[Bonez]

That's been done. The deadline for submitting historical claims is sometime next year, I think. Or 2012-ish? Not too far away anyhow.

Sepember 2008 was the dead line and hopefully all claims settled within the next 6 or so years.

As Winston said if it drags on too long the shatters will go up. There's been plenty of time for iwi to make there greivences known. Lets just hope good folk like the Titfords don't get the carpet dragged from under their feet in the process.

[slowpoke]

Yes but most of the country's in the world are colonized by foreign people. This is just the way it goes, you can't take people tax money that is needed for a greater cause like health care and so on to a couple of Iwis who will just put them in their "mattress".

Look at Waikato Hospital, the hospital is in need of equipment for millions dollars becuase it is so unmodern and is way years after other country's. With new equipment and being able to offer to competitive wages the hospital would save much more lives. But no the treaty waitangi have to come first.

Kiwis have a common problem, no front thinking. Very impulsive and this attitude "i don't care" is like a pest goint through the people.

If the government in Sweden had given away millions of dollars to a race group of people and there were serious issues with poverty or bad health care, roads needs to be fixed, shortage of police, high criminality. The people had gone berserk! You just don't do anything like that, that is so hard to understand for me.

Yep, I can understand your confusion but it boils down to a war which was never won. Instead a treaty/bargain was made and basically the governing colonials have not kept up their end of the bargain. This has resulted in a division between NZ'ers over whether the wrong should be righted or ignored.