Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[Quasievil]

Thats not true!........oh silly me, of course you were there?

In 1867 the Native Schools Act decreed that English should be the only language used in the education of Māori children, which lead to many Māori children being punished for speaking their own language.

From the 1940s onwards, the Māori began migrating to urban areas where they were living amongst the English-speaking Pākehā. As a result, many of them chose to speak English and to raise their children as English speakers.

In the 1970s, Māori urban groups began to be concerned about the decline of the Māori language and set up various schemes and organisations to promote the language, including bilingual and Māori medium schools, radio stations and a TV channel.

[Finn]

So lets for a moment consider the grand mother of all settlements. Us guilty white folk fork out billions of dollars in cash and assets to pay for all the wrong doings and theft that apparently happened. Not a great fiscal move, but for the greater good of our great nation, the land of the long white overcoat.

Then what? Will they be content? Will they stop all this rebelling causing tremendous failings in our country? Will they finally rub noses with white folk, welcoming them to this great land and thank us for all the progress. "Hey bro, thanks for all the chickens aye."

I think not. There was that great maori king who said, "If we want the maori people to succeed, you must stop giving them things."

[idb]

So lets for a moment consider the grand mother of all settlements. Us guilty white folk fork out billions of dollars in cash and assets to pay for all the wrong doings and theft that apparently happened. Not a great fiscal move, but for the greater good of our great nation, the land of the long white overcoat.

Then what? Will they be content? Will they stop all this rebelling causing tremendous failings in our country? Will they finally rub noses with white folk, welcoming them to this great land and thank us for all the progress. "Hey bro, thanks for all the chickens aye."

I think not. There was that great maori king who said, "If we want the maori people to succeed, you must stop giving them things."

Who on earth are "they"?

[Finn]

Who on earth are "they"?

More to the point, when did Arrowtown get electricity?

[idb]

More to the point, when did Arrowtown get electricity?

Amateur!
Try again.

[Quasievil]

I think not. There was that great maori king who said, "If we want the maori people to succeed, you must stop giving them things."

Their was a succession of English Spanish French kings and Queens commanders and captains, who demanded the taking of things from "lesser beings" and theft plunder n pillaging of Land and Resources went on for hundreds of years from many countries just like NZ, the silly fuckers should have realised it would cause issues in the future that we know have to face and resolve.

Back in the day tho of course it was okay to do this under the guise of extending gods network and preaching Christianity blah blah

But now these countries are all settled and dominated suitably with various measures of control and institutionalised underclassing and youre all comfy in your flash cars and nice houses you want by gones to be by gones and lets all have a hug and forget about it????
I dont think so.





(all the above was a big freckin shitstir lol)

[Genestho]

As I see it there can be no doubt that a signed agreement was broken and injustices were done, anyone that carries out the smallest trace of research will agree.

So, a signed contract has been broken and should be rectified.
There was no disputes process written into the contract that I'm aware of so both sides need to agree to this retrospectively.
We (the Crown and tribal representatives) have agreed to the process and are getting on with disputes resolution.

There will always be ignorants, leeches, thieves, whatever, that attempt to use grievances to make spurious claims for their own profit - that's just human nature.
To hold these people up as representative of all Maori is a misrepresentation.

It is not too hard to cite a real example to justify your own prejudices but these aren't the people that are involved in the Treaty negotiations.

So, let the negotiators negotiate (we did after all elect them) and meanwhile prosecute the criminals, debate with the "academics" and educate the ignorant.

*Sigh* Agreed and Agreed.
I have never said the stat's represent ALL Maori! The stats are over-represented by Maori!
The figures are REAL, not racist!
Do I understand correctly that anyone is prejudiced that dare speak out loud of such things?

See there's the barrier. (shakin my head) but you're right, they are not involved in the treaty negotiations.

Get it done, I am proud to be kiwi! Quasi said it best when he said kudos to NZ if we ever finish this job!

I just want to make sure the issues are corrected at the coal face.
And to be corrected communties affected need access to these claims too!

And I will disagree with this whole underclass thing - as a Kiwi!
I come from a poor background due to circumstances.
I got out from under poverty.
And through hard work and risks I turned my life around.
People do it all the time!
Would've been quite easy to blame poverty and past, as a reason to be anti-social my whole life and whinge and do nothing about it for myself!

Please don't confuse prejudice with reality!

[idb]

*Sigh* Agreed and Agreed.
I have never said the stat's represent ALL Maori! The stats are over-represented by Maori!
The figures are REAL, not racist!
Do I understand correctly that anyone is prejudiced that dare speak out loud of such things?

See there's the barrier. (shakin my head) but you're right, they are not involved in the treaty negotiations.

Get it done, I am proud to be kiwi! Quasi said it best when he said kudos to NZ if we ever finish this job!

I just want to make sure the issues are corrected at the coal face.
And to be corrected communties affected need access to these claims too!

And I will disagree with this whole underclass thing.
I come from a poor background due to circumstances.
I got out from under poverty.
And through hard work and risks I turned my life around.
People do it all the time!
Would've been quite easy to blame poverty and past, as a reason to be anti-social my whole life and whinge and do nothing about it for myself!

Please don't confuse prejudice with reality!

I knew that using the word prejudice would cause a reaction.
"Belief" might have been a safer word, I never meant it as a substitute for "racism".

What I meant was that an example can always be found to support an uninformed bias.

I suppose that statistics could be used the same way...but that would just be too cheeky to point out wouldn't it?

[Winston001]

*Sigh* Agreed and Agreed. I have never said the stat's represent ALL Maori! The stats are over-represented by Maori!...

See there's the barrier. (shakin my head) but you're right, they are not involved in the treaty negotiations....

I just want to make sure the issues are corrected at the coal face. And to be corrected communities affected need access to these claims too!

.....through hard work and risks I turned my life around. People do it all the time!


Please don't confuse prejudice with reality!

I don't think you and IDB really disagree. Words on the net can get misinterpreted.

It isn't racist to point out Maori statistics in prisons and poverty. Its just that this isn't relevant to the Treaty issues.

As for the coal-face - Maori iwi would say they already provide jobs and scholarships etc etc. They expect urban maori to make an effort and take those opportunities. And to learn about maori culture, not just expect a handout.

What that means is those who rejoice in the gang/alcohol/drug lifestyle aren't going to collect from the settlements. But maybe their children will have a chance.

[Genestho]

I don't think you and IDB really disagree. Words on the net can get misinterpreted. Agreed!!!It isn't racist to point out Maori statistics in prisons and poverty. Its just that this isn't relevant to the Treaty issues. It's all become a bit circular, but as I said in an earlier post I was referring to the last part of the question of the OP!!
As for the coal-face - Maori iwi would say they already provide jobs and scholarships etc etc. They expect urban maori to make an effort and take those opportunities. And to learn about maori culture, not just expect a handout.

What that means is those who rejoice in the gang/alcohol/drug lifestyle aren't going to collect from the settlements. But maybe their children will have a chance.

Mmm, I don't mean receiving claims as individuals, what I'm trying to ascertain, is if these communities, that need the support, are receiving programs funded by claims that will assist them to get the support needed, to start to correct the poverty/prison stats, and is the funding making it that far?

What is being done, what's out there? I guess because of the 'stats' I too ask the same part of the question as the OP (yes stats can be manipulated I know this!) Maybe I too reiterate that part of the question in the wrong place?

[Genestho]

I suppose that statistics could be used the same way...but that would just be too cheeky to point out wouldn't it?

Not at all!!!

[Skyryder]

I'm still waiting for some kind of thank you for my culture giving Maori a written language.

Just an official acknowledgment of gratitude will do.


Skyryder

[Quasievil]

I'm still waiting for some kind of thank you for my culture giving Maori a written language.

Just an official acknowledgment of gratitude will do.


Skyryder

chur bro...........

[Bonez]

It isn't racist to point out Maori statistics in prisons and poverty.

It's not as if assistance hasn't been given in the past either-
http://executive.govt.nz/93-96/minis...ori/employ.htm

[Solly]

I'm still waiting for some kind of thank you for my culture giving Maori a written language.

Just an official acknowledgment of gratitude will do.


Skyryder

Chur chur cuz...that was "chur -iffic" of youse fullas